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No joy for French File-Sharers anymore?

Well, this is sad. Remember that french three-strikes anti-piracy law codename Hadopi? It got into real-world action! To quote Torrent-Freak:

“This week the controversial French three-strikes anti-piracy law Hadopi went live. Copyright holders are currently in the process of sending out tens of thousands of IP-addresses of alleged infringers to Internet service providers, and this will increase to over a million in a few weeks. The ISPs have to hand over the identities of the associated accounts to the authorities within a week, or face a fine of 1500 euros per unidentified IP-address.”

That sucks badly! Read rest of the story here. Feel free to post your comments and opinions.


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  1. TheTruthAndNothingButTruth
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:24

    The torrents are affected, but hosting is fine, right?

  2. Dude
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:26

    Sucks to be you frogs

  3. Alexander
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:27

    And yet again we see how companies, anti-piracy groups, and goverment fail. It is called sharing not selling. So no money lost, no money gaind throughout sharing.
    And yes, sharing will never be stopped, there are other ways.

  4. TheChosenOne
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:27

    That really blows!! i hope that there isnt a worldwide precedent that follows or attempts to follow this ruling!! Its so wrong IMO!!
    As a fellow pirate, my thoughts are with my frog cousins!!

  5. muzhik
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:33

    glad i dont live in france…

  6. Deacon
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:33

    The French are seriously morons, theres tons of other ways to avoid this, this law won’t stop piracy at all, will only make the French government spend allot of money and time, for nothing, since the flow will be enormous, how are they gonna monitor and penalize so many ppl, its humanly impossible, and avoiding being caught isn’t that hard.

    Stupidity just reach a new level.

  7. Scott
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:37

    If i happend to be a french hacker i would make my personal mission to hack the computers of all french ministers, download something to get flag, delete the files and rejoice at the media rape they would get.

  8. Biggs
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:38

    Thats fine if they have someones IP address, I would just “borrow” my neighbors wi-fi and he would be in crap. Not a fool proof system to stop piracy, anyone who knows much about computers knows how to crack wep encryption

  9. Arkanis
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:39

    Viva la revolution!
    Sad to watch how this world succumbs to the perverse and greedy way of moral bancrupts.

  10. nemesis
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:39

    Time to start stealing your neighbors Wi-fi I think.

  11. german
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:41

    Man this is scary…
    Actually no, the Abmahnung I got with the request to pay half a thousand euros was worse. No 2 strikes there.

  12. @Arkanis
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:45

    I hear you brother:(

  13. a404
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:46

    Do the French not have dynamic IPs? What about unsecure wi-fi and hotspots? This has disaster written all over it. Targeting ISPs and individual users sounds a lot like what the **AA’s tried and that was a resounding failure, despite what they would tell the world.

    I predict a whole load of time and money invested for little success.

  14. FS-W
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:47

    Back to dial-up o.O

  15. jake
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:49

    Most neighbor’s are not like these English.Sheep.Shaggers I see in London with WEP or unprotected Wi-Fi.
    The problem is torrents. What are the chances getting caught using ftp/http/irc/usetnet etc, 0.001% compared to torrents.

  16. Maxx Ormis
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:53

    VPN Time.

  17. mrFunny
    September 21st, 2010 | 23:56

    the french can tag you’re electricity to,its not just about ip address’s

  18. Anon
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:01

    Know the law, meaning know how to REALLY read the law, and learn your actual rights. Private companies especially can pretty much only do to you what you allow them to do to you although this complicity/allowance is often given tacitly.

    It is a slap in the face that governments are a party to as well as mandate such inefficient and effective crap but that is again a problem deeply rooted with people’s tacit complicity.

  19. neb
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:02

    I guess this is the end of free Wifi in France. It won’t be the end of downloading though…

  20. Arkanis
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:07

    Actually I am astonished that any government would go to bed with any corporation and pay for persecution of their citizens on such a massive scale. I see another blody french revolution on a horizon.

  21. G
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:11

    Will the price on teh internetz be higher now in france? How much would it cost if the debt is counted into the bills of their customers? “We got this WarezTheInternet-Package that gives you our safety to not give out your identity!”

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  23. Qu
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:19

    Hold your horses, mates.
    So far they said “only 800 Ip adresses”.
    Technically, there’s 0,004 % chances to get caught.

  24. ab
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:31

    #20 Arkanis
    “Actually I am astonished that any government would go to bed with any corporation ”

    Is this a joke? Welcome to politics 101

  25. They can bring it on.
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:34

    It would suck to get some ten or twenty thousand dollar bill in the mail, but if I did they would be seeing me in court. Them with their lawyers against me defending myself. I would most likely lose the case and after a few months of harassment, I would file bankruptcy. I have nothing to lose and they can’t touch that lol. All I can recommend is to waste as much of their resources as possible.

  26. 1-click DLD rulez
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:39

    that sucks, and to 23: they sent TENS OF THOUSANDS already out, not 800!
    in a few Weeks it will get to Million mark! anyway, i think, TORRENTZ
    are pretty much dead, especially since sites like Hotfile adn MANY others came, and took over ( thats my Opinion).
    So stop using Torrentz, “waste” a few bucks in Hosting sites, and let France PAY for their Mistake!!

  27. mangus
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:49

    vive la liberté!!
    And to think that one day french defended liberty,equality and fraternity…

    Nowadays is more like
    heil sarkozy..

    Sincerely, i pity those who try to cage the true potential of free knowledge that the internet stands for today.

  28. Onner
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:49

    French people: start using IP blockers!

  29. Substrata
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:49

    Ridiculous! The amount of money in legal fees it would take to drag a million people to court would far exceed any so-called “fines” they might claim back! Any French readers here who receive one of these notices, send a letter back saying ‘PROVE IT WAS ME WITH JUST THE SET OF DIGITS YOU HAVE’… A court room nightmare I can tell you!

  30. name (required)
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:55

    If you are dumb enough to continue using torrent and especially public trackers, you deserved to be fined.

  31. dc!
    September 22nd, 2010 | 00:59

    Population of France is something around 60 million.

    Sending out one million warnings makes 1.5% of french ppl cold-hearted criminals. In addition to the usual bunch of drug dealers, killers, rapists and pedobears, etc.. and this is but a fraction of those that have been identified.

    I’d say that we steer clear of France and don’t touch that with a ten foot pole, because all these ppl are really dangerous! I’ll spend my next vacation in less life threatening country, like Afghanistan or Iraq.

    (obvious sarcasm is obvious).

  32. dosguy
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:10

    @Arkanis (#20)

    “Actually I am astonished that any government would go to bed with any corporation …”

    Obviously you don’t live in the USA.

  33. U
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:12

    Something similar was proposed here. But the authorities themselves said it was a bad idea because it would popularise encryption or other ways to avoid being traced, increasing public awareness of it, and therefore making people who trade child pornography, etc much harder to track.

  34. Visitor
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:15

    Torrents died when joe public started to know they existed, just like the original Bearshare days.

    anyone still using them in the last 3 years is an idiot.

  35. MCF3778
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:18

    How ironic i am eating a salad with french dressing!

  36. LikeTorrentz
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:26

    Going to laugh when the officials implementing this start getting these warnings too from their kids downloading on their computers. I don’t know anyone without pirated material on their computer, friends, family, work computers, school computers, all of them. The french won’t have anyone to sell internet to pretty soon.

    P.S. Have the french not heard of PeerBlock?

  37. Bob
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:27

    Hi, I’m french and this really is a non-issue for anyone with half a brain and 10 bucks a month.
    VPNs, direct download or newsgroups, there are plenty of ways to avoid getting into trouble.
    The only sad thing about it is that part of the taxes we pay will be used for this while much bigger problems exist: overpopulated jails, decreasing investment in public services, insecurity raising since 2002 despite Sarkozy’s authoritarian policies…
    Vive la France :/

  38. SceneBull
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:46

    Wow, these people are just SO far out of touch with the internet that its embarrassing. So to combat piracy you are going to create an EPIC workload for the ISP’s in the country tying them up pretty much 24/7 tracking and compiling addresses to hand over to the “file sharing Gestapo” and if THAT wasn’t bad enough your also going to tie up the judicial system processing and ruling fines and penalties for file sharers. The amount of fail behind this system is just incredible. All they are going to do is push people into anonymity, the only people that are going to stop sharing are the casual file sharers who count for a pretty small proportion of the community anyway.

  39. someone
    September 22nd, 2010 | 01:55

    a lot of easy money will be made but some bastards. surely the rest of the world corporations will follow.

  40. toto
    September 22nd, 2010 | 02:01

    Salut, folks here the french law :
    If they collect your Ip (P2P only), you get an email (saying pirate are bad) your email is given by the Internet Provider (if not, they have to pay 1500 euros), then if they trace you a second time, you recieve a letter (in case the email got trashed), and then if they catch you a third times they stop your internet connection while you still paying for it (for maximum of a year).

  41. me
    September 22nd, 2010 | 02:55

    Americans – check out the coming Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act. If you think HADOPI is bad you’re gonna love COICA….

  42. common sense
    September 22nd, 2010 | 03:16

    nope @41, there is no chance this will pass the US Senate by election time and even smaller chance that it will after the elections as the Senate will only be in session for 1 week and then be gone for the rest of the year. Since the new Senators are sworn in the very first day back in Jan, the chances of the idiots that tried to bring this up still being in office is very slim to none. So the chances of this passing is even less.

  43. September 22nd, 2010 | 04:18

    O putain de merde !
    Quel bordel la France

  44. Piracy is one thing....
    September 22nd, 2010 | 05:37

    I HATE fools like @ 8 “Biggs”

    Why do some moronic chumps think that just because people pirate copyrighted material, that automatically makes us all fricking scumbag criminals with no sense of decency like himself…

    “I would just “borrow” my neighbors wi-fi and he would be in crap”

    Why?!?! You would try and set an innocent person up for serious criminal charges… get a life fückö, I bet you’re about 17 years old…

  45. Clem
    September 22nd, 2010 | 05:52

    Bah, never mind us. By the time our stupid gov gets what a VPN, a proxy and a dynamic IP are, we’ll all be driving flying cars.

  46. Eaglenik
    September 22nd, 2010 | 06:02

    Bloody French government suck antipiracy companies balls.

  47. lol @44
    September 22nd, 2010 | 06:14

    lol, nicely put 44, i think ill start migrating to irc and filehosting …so long torrents

  48. Bonjours
    September 22nd, 2010 | 07:35
  49. a404
    September 22nd, 2010 | 08:11

    @ Piracy is one thing….

    I think you’re missing the point. Their plan has flaws. If they are targeting IP addresses, what’s to stop a user from accessing another ‘legitimate’ IP address and putting the blame on another person? IP addresses are not a foolproof way to identify an individual. And in the eyes of copyright enforcers ANYBODY who uses the internet is a potential criminal. It’s a case of you’re guilty until proven innocent.

    Again, I predict a whole load of time and money invested for little success.

  50. RLD
    September 22nd, 2010 | 09:13

    Hadopi sucks….Just look at the logo it resembles a head with two big ears to pull its rounded sucking mouth towards you…look at it ;)

  51. AG
    September 22nd, 2010 | 10:13

    Btw. a similar law is already being enforced in Germany, but there is no 3 strike system. However there
    are actually less cases of ppl getting sued than there were before the internet providers were forced to give the names to ip addresses. Usually it works that way:
    Company X finds your IP Address from a torrent they are watching. They get your real name and address from the internet provider. Then they write you a letter that you have to pay a few hundred bucks and they wont sue you. Usually everybody pays, and usually it is cheaper than getting a lawyer etc.
    And the small companys are worse than the big ones.
    They release some crappy movies which cost maybe 10 bucks on dvd, then they hire german companies to watch for torrents of their crappy movies. Then, if they find some, they charge the ppl with ~500 bucks each. Even if they have to pay most of the ~500 bucks for the work to find and charge those criminals they probably earn more than 10 bucks per movie. So it is better for them to have their product stolen compared to sell it legally.

  52. SOS
    September 22nd, 2010 | 12:13

    Recently, hackers united to take down a few sites (remember Aiplex, MPAA…).

    Now its time to defend against HADOPI aggression !!!!

    Plz, help us!!!!! They can’t just take our rights away…

  53. Mr Poussino
    September 22nd, 2010 | 12:46

    This as nothing to do with piracy. It’s to create a precedent. The message is clear, all over the world we are taking your rights away, and now it’s time for the internet. They will start with the “evil pirates”, and then, when the people are aclimated,it’s everybody that will ahe it’s IP and browsing history hand over to the “goverment”. Look at Mr banksters, wall street, spending maniac AKA Barrack Hussein Obama. All he can say is how the internet must be regulated (controled). We have free speech zones, manif zones, psycho cops tasering people for looking at them the wrong way. The U.S.A is now a third world country ruled by a super class of nut jobs, fema camps, hundred of thousand of plastic coffins and guillotines seen on trucks in th US and Canada. Something is coming. It’s time to stop singing and holding hands outside the building, we have to go in, take the scums outside and hang em. You can’t talk sense to homicidal megalomaniacs, you “deal with them” or you get buried outside a force labor camp.

  54. Mysto
    September 22nd, 2010 | 14:28

    Soo…how long now until France becomes a loose country and we can split it beetween Germany / Spain and Italy?

  55. Encrytpion?
    September 22nd, 2010 | 14:35

    This is nonsense, people saying that BT is dead are way off… They can never in their dreams prove what you downloaded if you use encrypted packets, thats why its there, in order to provide privacy. Downloading from hosts seems to be a lot easier to trace since you are downloading files and not packets compared to torrents. Of course you can always use proxies, vpns, open networks.

  56. nezard
    September 22nd, 2010 | 14:49

    All these people that are writing french are morons, im glad im not french etc. You have to know this is all AMERICAN! doing, they are the ones doing this corporate pressuring etc. Soon it will be use be 100000% sure!

  57. English.Sheep.Shagger
    September 22nd, 2010 | 16:01

    @56 You will never get a letter from downloading from host servers like hotfiles etc. (Unless the anti-piracy company set up a server as a honeytrap).
    VPN’s are also a waste, they are usually not full speed and everything you do on VPN is recorded by the company, most have policies that don’t like torrentz etc.
    There is no need to use a VPN, it just adds another layer of logs where you have been.
    As long as you have half a brain and don’t use torrentz you will never get a letter.

  58. campino75
    September 22nd, 2010 | 16:02

    That’s nasty stuff.

    And people, love the cat pic. Were can i get it?

  59. Peter P.
    September 22nd, 2010 | 16:33

    It does NOT suck. It’s about time that a country creates an effective law against piracy, esp. when it targets those who knowingly break the copyright law. AND those (sites like this) who make money on piracy (via advertisements).

  60. Keep on dreaming
    September 22nd, 2010 | 16:41

    You seriously believe that’s how the law works? They will sent you a letter of omission and a 500€ fine. If you don’t pay they will maybe or maybe not drag you to court. And THEY will chose which court and will drag your case to a judge who is so stupid with technical stuff that he still thinks SMS are a miracle tech.

    Now try explaining your encryption, IP, fake file and packet stuff to that judge who’s happy when he finds the power button on a PC.

    They don’t need to proof anything, they don’t even need to proof that you fully downloaded something. All they have to show is that they downloaded a couple of kb of a file that’s named like their copyrighted material from you and they will win the case and you will have to pay not only the fine but also the whole process.

    It’s happened dozens of times before in germany where a similiar system had been in place for quite a while (ISP’s beeing forced to reveal real names). This whole system is in place not to prevent piracy but to profit from it even when they couldn’t present clear evidence.

  61. Peter P.
    September 22nd, 2010 | 16:45

    hotfile and the like log their traffic too, that is a law requirement (mainly to combat terrorism but not limited to this). And YES this is in effect in European countries too.

  62. RU
    September 22nd, 2010 | 17:00

    They can track you because they use the same torrents to track people. They download them just like you do and DNS ID’s your country and provider. The issue I have is being connected to a torrent doesn’t prove you downloaded anything. Do they actually show proof you seeded and leeched packets? I wonder if they even have to prove any of that, or does the law let them sue old people without computers, infants and pets just like in the US? Considering how easily Europeans get pissed-off at their governments and violently protest, I wonder if a million letters with cause a million protesters to take to the streets.

  63. shamazataz
    September 22nd, 2010 | 18:49

    i wonder if anyone is stupid enough to post how to get round all this on here? you know a ‘popular’ site like this one
    that is monitored constantly and shut down quite regularly

  64. Intr0
    September 22nd, 2010 | 19:00

    This law won’t last long. It will be amended under some human-rights issue. Plus all of you are missing something. The UK have been talking about similar schemes for ages but they never come to anything. France just like Britain are not the US. We actually have rights when it comes to the legal system. For a start in Britain we get legal-aid, meaning the state has to pay for a lawyer to defend every citizen accused of filesharing. I think you will find that it’s not actually legal to cut off someone’s connection without a court-case and trial and evidence etc. Far too much effort and expense for the government and nothing for them to gain.

    The situation in the UK is now and has been the same for over a decade. If you obviously profit from filesharing and are based in the UK you will be caught. However the government has no interest in any of it’s citizens being cut-off, fined or sued in anyway regardless of how much stuff you download. Every few years the Americans come moaning, and the government announces a crack-down and new laws. But nothing ever happens and neither will it.

    In France they are probably doing the same thing. Just rattling sabers to look like they’re doing something. This would last less than a month in the Uk, so in france where they strike every time they run out of milk. Well. . .

  65. Me!
    September 22nd, 2010 | 19:01

    Unfriggin believeable!

  66. Apple
    September 22nd, 2010 | 20:22

    yep carry on voting for that chimp sarkozy …

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