Comments (220)

201. Orly
     November 29th, 2008 | 17:36

     “common sense” the “know-it-all expert”:

     You are a moron who thinks you already know it all that’s why you can’t think outside the box, you’re the same type of moron who goto cinemas and point to screen and announce “there’s no edvidence to suggest there is a camera involved in this movie, because I didn’t see any cameras”

     While you’re still flooding your own brain with hormones thinking you’re smarter than everyone with all the answers, lets see you answer the question you’ve been avoiding:

     *** *** Why was there molten steel at ground zero after 6 weeks?*** ***

     Dispite the WTC rubble being pumped with constant jet of water for weeks? Why did firefighters describe a “foundry” of molten steel at Ground Zero?

     According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” New York firefighters later recall in a documentary film, “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.”

     Despite the WTC rubble being pumped with an almost constant jet of water, eventually totaling thousands of gallons, almost 12 weeks after 9/11 at least one fire is still burning, making it the longest-burning structural fire in history.

     as for the video, show me the link to the report from KODAK

202. Orly
     November 29th, 2008 | 17:40

     and after you’ve answered the above we can also start looking into other “miracles” like:

     1. Why was the ground of WTC6 blown from inside out and up?
     2. How did passport of the “hijacker” survive the impact, explosion and inferno in unscratched condition and be “found” by officials? when everything else incinerated and melted?
     3. Why did the Federal Government and Controlled Demolition quickly started to remove evidence from the WTC?
     4. Why did they started sending the evidence to India and China for melting within days?
     5. Who authorized “power down” of WTC the weekend before 911 and disabled most of the securities and cameras?
     6. Why there weren’t any passengers in the subway under WTC?
     7. Who ordered bomb sniffing dogs to leave WTC a week prior to 911?
     8. What were the “workmen with large tool boxes” installing at WTC the weekend before 911?
     .
     .
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     the list goes on, but let’s not get distracted, you’re the “EXPERT” of demolition/fire or whatever the fck you are pretending to be here

203. common sense
     November 29th, 2008 | 20:04

     Sorry Orly, I know quite a damn bit more then you so I guess in your case and the case of the conspiracy fruitcakes that are posting here, that does indeed make me a “know-it-all expert”
     The only morons I see here are the people like you who when faced with facts that destroy the argument they use, this is how they react and claim that the people that have been doing this all their lives and have PhD’s and other College Degres in these fields are somehow wrong because YOU say so.

     according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again, the NITS is the National Institute for Trasportation Safety. These are the people called in to re-enact plane accidents for the National Transportation Admin. And isnt it strange that they debunk you as well and call you a liar. But according to you and the other conspiracy fruitcakes here, they as well as the BATF-NYC Fire Depart-NYC Government-DOJ-US Pentagon and over 2,500,000 other experts in the fields all around the world are all wrong and only you conspiracy fruits are right.

     really? Hmmm, then I guess the coal fire below Centralia PA has somehow escaped your notice? I mean it has only been burning for FOURTY SIX FRICKING YEARS!!!!

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania

     “as for the video, show me the link to the report from KODAK”

     if you would have read the report from the DOJ and the article in Popular mechanics, you would have seen your link.

     And I guess these people are liars as well, with one being an eye witness to the plane flying over the freeway and hitting the pentagon

     “Lee Evey
     “The plane approached the Pentagon about 6 feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building,” said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon,s ongoing billion-dollar renovation.

     Sgt. William Lagasse
     “and struck a trailer used to store construction equipment for the renovation of the Pentagon”

     Assit. Chief Belvoir F.D. Russell “Rusty Dodge Jr.
     “construction trailer which was producing some severe fires and subsequent mini-explosions due to highly flammable chemicals in it”

     You conspiracy fruitcases are Fckin morons and the sad reality is that even IF Bin Laden came to you in person and TOLD you to your faces that he planned all of this and paid for it with his billions from his part of his family’s oil field monies just like he financed the Taliban, you would more then likely call him a liar as well as this does not fit into your pathetic “Hate America” ideals.
     So shut your mough and increase the intelligence level of this site by a factor of 1000% as a more stupid person then you will be very difficult to find.

204. common sense
     November 29th, 2008 | 21:57

     Did I just quote someone saying that a commercial jetliner was flying about 6 feet off of the ground (look out for that freeway full of cars! just missed ‘em!), while traveling hundreds of miles per hour, and merely clipped a car antenna? Perhaps that doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless that antenna were at least 10 feet tall, and being clipped by the belly(?) of the plane? I mean, this witness had the time to recognize a car antenna being clipped while this plane was traveling at such a rate of speed and crashing into the Pentagon? Clipped by what? Maybe this witness is not so credible, after all. Oops…

205. I believe
     November 30th, 2008 | 00:43

     #203 / common sense
     “according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again”

     Well, he says that it’s aluminum

     “The droplets on the outside of the center of the fall seem to be the color of aluminum siding to me.. As I said, the evidence points to it being aluminum.”

     Aluminum doesn’t glow red when molten, it glows white. For a debunking, the word “assuming” appears a lot in that link. Nice try though.

206. Chris
     November 30th, 2008 | 01:45

     You know how I know there is no conspiracy?

     Because the same people who call GW Bush a moron are the same people accusing him of being an evil mastermind. Nobody can contradict themselves on a regular basis like the far left wing-bats.

     The real problem is that when faced with the choice of pure science and drawing convenient conclusions, these people will ignore the science every single time. When one theory is proven wrong, five more replace it with different approaches to the same rebutted argument. WC

207. common sense
     November 30th, 2008 | 02:05

     ‘You know how I know there is no conspiracy?’

     I guess you’re going to tell us, This should be good for a laugh.

     ‘Because the same people who call GW Bush a moron are the same people accusing him of being an evil mastermind.’

     Where do you see anyone calling GWB a ‘mastermind’? Yep, nowhere. Not one person on this planet actually believes that Bush is anywhere remotely capable of being considered a ‘mastermind’. Not even Bush himself (or either of his parents, including his fellow war-mongering father) believes this. So, with this firmly in your far-right ding-bat weakened grasp, your ‘knowledge’ is hereby overturned in the court of common sense. Contradict that, dumb@ss.

     ‘The real problem is that when faced with the choice of pure science and drawing convenient conclusions, these people will ignore the science every single time.’

     That, coming from someone on the far-right side of the ‘goddies’, is just laughable. Go eat some more dinosaur turkey, butthead.

208. In the Water
     November 30th, 2008 | 02:26

     This S**T is still going on???
     There is truly something in the water…

209. Jaxon
     November 30th, 2008 | 08:22

     Whether you believe 9/11 was in inside job or not…

     I’m sure we can all agree, our gov’t is violating the constitution every day, right now, as we chat and bicker with one another… GO OUTSIDE, LOOK AROUND YOU!

     Both sides of the political spectrum, not just republicans, not just democrats… BOTH SIDES!

     check it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgrLiCDvFc

210. truth man
     November 30th, 2008 | 12:24

     lots of films and lots pg theories ..and the important thing that we all got the point that the government of bush criminal thiefs involved and they are a part of that mass crime not osama ben laden worked with cia and accepted to take the responsabitly serving his masters on that game …but do not let the media take your attention away from an very very important point that jewis and mossade the secret service of israel was teh biggist hand on 9/11 and there are many other hands involved such as THE ZIONIST who controle every disision on white house andy way there is many proof that mossad israeli men was filming that moments before the imact and all the events and they was dancing while 3000 was dieng a witness saw them filming and dancing full of joy and when they had been captured by the us police they was quitened a little bit then they been sent back to israel lol see how much zionists and the head of goverment of usa are friends lol and one of most prove that the israeli was behind that too when those men sent back to israel they said to media they were there to history the events by filming and to be sure all went fine and after that the first man of israeli goverment said that israel wone alote of what happind on 9/11 ..and alot of prove but as you know media is controled by those criminales and they show what they want to to believe ..any way for more shoking truth about those killers go to http://www.prothink and find by your self you will be astonished but that can open your eyes and take the hat of the donkey they put on your heads since looooong time ..be a smart and stop being a sheep

211. truth man
     November 30th, 2008 | 12:27

     http://www.prothink.org

212. common sense
     November 30th, 2008 | 14:17

     Trying to use my name 207? Sorry it wont work. Why? Because if Bush is a moron as you are claiming then that makes boyh Gore and Clinton and Carter AND Obama complete blithering idiots as Bush’s College GPA was HIGHER then all of them! Check the records dumbarse. And I give names and sites and so on that clearly destroy the fruitcakes here that whine and complain this was an inside job or that the “Gub’ment” did it.

     so called “truth man” is yet anoter arsehole that does not have two brian cells to make a spark as his head is full of s^%t.

     “truth man
     November 30th, 2008 | 12:24
     lots of films and lots pg theories ..and the important thing that we all got the point that the government of bush criminal thiefs involved and they are a part of that mass crime not osama ben laden worked with cia and accepted to take the responsabitly serving his masters on that game”

     And just WHERE is your proof for this? Got links other then yet another conspiracy laden site? No? Didn’t think so.

     ” …but do not let the media take your attention away from an very very important point that jewis and mossade the secret service of israel was teh biggist hand on 9/11 and there are many other hands involved such as THE ZIONIST who controle every disision on white house andy way there is many proof that mossad israeli men was filming that moments before the imact and all the events and they was dancing while 3000 was dieng a witness saw them filming and dancing full of joy and when they had been captured by the us police they was quitened a little bit then they been sent back to israel lol”

     Really? And where is the police officer(s) that made the arrest and why have they not come foreword and made this statement? The reason is that they do not exist and this never happened. There are sites on the web who claim the exact same thing happened, only the people doing it are Arabs and Muslums, and they are just as full of s^$t as you are.

     “see how much zionists and the head of goverment of usa are friends lol and one of most prove that the israeli was behind that too when those men sent back to israel they said to media they were there to history the events by filming and to be sure all went fine and after that the first man of israeli goverment said that israel wone alote of what happind on 9/11 ..and alot of prove but as you know media is controled by those criminales and they show what they want to to believe ..any way for more shoking truth about those killers go to http://www.prothink and find by your self you will be astonished but that can open your eyes and take the hat of the donkey they put on your heads since looooong time ..be a smart and stop being a sheep”

     No, YOU be smart and up your medication as if you will do some back checking, you blithering moronic arse…you will find that the owner to this site you mentioned is a Taliban Sympathiser. As such his hatred of Christians and Jews colors everything he says and as such does not make it a reputable source. So go back to your racists KKK meeting or your next “conspiracy theory” circle jerk with the rest of the conspiracy fruitcakes here and leave thehuman race in peace.

213. Orly
     November 30th, 2008 | 16:52

     You said:
     “according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again”

     Yet:
     Mark Lorieux, President of Controlled Demolition, Inc and Peter Tully, President of Tully Construction, has said on RECORD that they’ve witnessed molten steel on site.

     AFP (American free press) asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. “Yes,” he said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.” These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.

     So I guess you’re the one that’s stupid then.

214. truth man
     November 30th, 2008 | 16:53

     ahaaaaaa common sene coool i found at last some one form liek you to say nothing but acusing peopel because they think and you and your masters such as cia or fbi or mossade or ZIONIST or bush stuff of media brainwash you do not want people to start thinking about teh truth and if they do the first stratigy is acusing them that they are idiots or taliban supporters or love conspirecy theory thats your method and zionist jwes method to turn away the attention of an truth comming out so iam not idiot if i want the truth and the truth is israel and bush criminal goverment was behind all 9/11 and again if you want to know more of that dirty inside job or zionist crime toward american and all nations go to that site that came from real pateriot american who want the real change those peopel who want justice those peopel who want freedpm from ugly greedy zionist bankers and to free us goverment from any zionist control go to http://www.prothink.org and find your reality by your self no sience fiction no lies onley truth can save you and your childrens from those mounsters they are leading you to no where but hell and war against some thing they created and called terrorists that is teh boogy man to lead you and to accept what ever they say that is how they control your fears and they by there media show them selfs that they are the one that one who gonna protect you or save you but all of that is lies there is no terrorist but a fake boogy man you american nation are serving thier agenda serving the one world order and more of control to this nations destiny so free your mind of that slavery and get out long long years of blindless in your life see the truth by your eyes search for it do not wait to hear it from your cnn or tv search and be free

215. Orly
     November 30th, 2008 | 16:55

     You said:
     “according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again”

     Yet:
     Mark Lorieux, President of Controlled Demolition, Inc and Peter Tully, President of Tully Construction, has said on RECORD that they’ve witnessed molten steel on site.

     AFP (American free press) asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. “Yes,” he said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.” These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.

     Yawn, which part of “there’s 2 party saying different things” don’t you understand?

     I guess you’re the one that’s stupid_ then.

216. truth man
     November 30th, 2008 | 16:57

     http://www.911missinglinks.com/ go and see this and change the way you look to life

217. Orly
     November 30th, 2008 | 17:13

     Aiight, I am done playing this idiot, so I’ll just put the final nail in the coffin.

     Listen fck face “common sense” the fake “know-it-all”, I never said the “conspiracy” version were all correct, I’ve already said right at the start there are 2 versions, what’s the fcking point copying and pasting one of the version like it’s something new.

     I’ve researched on both side of the story, obviously there are some truth on both side and some idiots on both sides.

     The only reason I even replied to you the first place is because you claimed experts already explained everything, when I know for sure they haven’t.

     Knowing you’re a fake, I asked you a simple question, what happened to WTC7, and instead of saying fire caused it (like the NIST finally report stated), you acted like an “super expert” and went on an ego spree throwing BS after BS on how WTC1 caused the WTC7 to collapse and dug yourself a hole.

     Here’s the offical side of the story for WTC7 (the real “expert” side):

     Otober 6, 2005:
     NIST Refuses to Show Computer Visualizations of WTC Collapses

     Mrach 20, 2006:
     Dr. S. Shyam Sunder, head of the National Institute of Standards and Technology government investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center building, is asked about the collapse of WTC Building 7. Sunder says that he hopes to release something about that by the end of 2006. He adds, NIST did have some “preliminary hypotheses… We are studying the horizontal movement east to west, internal to the structure, on the fifth to seventh floors.… But truthfully, I don’t really know. We’ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.” [New York Magazine, 3/20/2006]

     November 2008:
     NIST released Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (NIST NCSTAR 1A) (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)

     From Chapter 4 of the NIST WTC7 final report (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)
     “The collapse of WTC 7 was a fire-induced progressive collapse.”
     “fire-induced damage in the floor framing surround Columns 79 over nine stories was the determining factor causing the buckling of Column 79 and, thereby, initiating progressive collapse”
     “Even without the initial structural damage caused by debris impact from the collapse of WTC1, WTC7 would have collasped from fires”

     So what this means is after 7 years of investigation, the NIST is saying it’s fire that caused the collapse of WTC7, not by structual damage from debris.

     And this also means, not only Mr “common sense”, our fake rlslog demonolition/everything expert, thinks he knows better than the “conspiracy nuts”
     “common sense” also thinks he knows better than the NIST. because his conclusion is different to both the “conspiracy nuts” and the NIST that took 7 years to investigate what happened.

     Now if “common sense” is so pro-experts why is his conclusion different to NIST? what, first you’re better than “everyone”, now you’re better than the NIST?

     #

     I was here to expose another fake, self-proclaimed expert like you that does nothing but copy and pastes from sites trying to feel superior because he is insecure and his life is pathetic.

     “common sense”

     You’ve been exposed.

     You are a fake.

     Have fun lying to yourself.

     Case closed.

218. Orly
     November 30th, 2008 | 17:17

     Aiight, I am done playing this idi0t, so I’ll just put the final nail in the coffin.

     Listen fck face “common sense” the fake “know-it-all”, I never said the “conspiracy” version were all correct, I’ve already said right at the start there are 2 versions, what’s the fcking point copying and pasting one of the version like it’s something new.

     I’ve researched on both side of the story, obviously there are some truth on both side and some idiots on both sides.

     The only reason I even replied to you the first place is because you claimed experts already explained everything, when I know for sure they haven’t.

     So knowing you’re a fake, I asked you a simple question, what happened to WTC7

     And what did you do? Instead of saying fire caused it (which is the conclusion of the final NIST WTC7 report), you acted like an “super expert” and went on an ego spree throwing BS after BS on how WTC1 caused the WTC7 to collapse and dug yourself a hole.

     Here’s the offical side of the story for WTC7 (the real “expert” side):

     Otober 6, 2005:
     NIST Refuses to Show Computer Visualizations of WTC Collapses

     Mrach 20, 2006:
     Dr. S. Shyam Sunder, head of the National Institute of Standards and Technology government investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center building, is asked about the collapse of WTC Building 7. Sunder says that he hopes to release something about that by the end of 2006. He adds, NIST did have some “preliminary hypotheses… We are studying the horizontal movement east to west, internal to the structure, on the fifth to seventh floors.… But truthfully, I don’t really know. We’ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.” [New York Magazine, 3/20/2006]

     November 2008:
     NIST released Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (NIST NCSTAR 1A) (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)

     From Chapter 4 of the NIST WTC7 final report (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)

     “The collapse of WTC 7 was a fire-induced progressive collapse.”
     “fire-induced damage in the floor framing surround Columns 79 over nine stories was the determining factor causing the buckling of Column 79 and, thereby, initiating progressive collapse”
     “Even without the initial structural damage caused by debris impact from the collapse of WTC1, WTC7 would have collasped from fires”

     So what this means is after 7 years of investigation, the NIST is saying it’s fire that caused the collapse of WTC7, not by structual damage from debris.

     And this also means, not only Mr “common sense”, our fake rlslog demonolition/everything expert, thinks he knows better than the “conspiracy nuts”
     “common sense” also thinks he knows better than the NIST who took 7 years to investigate what happened.

     #

     I was here to expose another fake, self-proclaimed expert like you that does nothing but copy and pastes from sites trying to feel superior because he is insecure and his life is pathetic.

     “common sense”

     You’ve been exposed.

     You are a fake.

     Have fun lying to yourself.

     Case closed.

219. sandman
     December 5th, 2008 | 16:20

     In this day and age, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pull off something of this magnitude. It’s MUCH easier to throw up the “conspiracy flags”. There is also A LOT more money to be made making propaganda / conspiracy theory movies. Just ask Michael Moore.

220. aaa
     December 6th, 2008 | 03:03

     So your explanation for all of the things pointed out in the movie, is “In this day and age, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pull off something of this magnitude” ?

     Do you have any affiliation with the higher government powers in order to make a statement like that? It’s well known what the CIA did with Al-Qaida during the soviet wars, that wasn’t too hard to pull off, was it?

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