Zero An Investigation Into 9 11 2008 DVDRiP XviD Repack-SoSISO
It’s slightly unusual to see an ISO group to release dvdrips, but why not if the quality is okey. SoSISO pred a repack of documentary Zero: An Investigation Into 9/11. There’s no reason mentioned in the NFO. It’s also interesting to see that even years after the actual event, there are still new movies being filmed about the topic. I am sure this one will spur a bit of controversy as most of the others did.
ZERO: An Investigation into 9/11, has one central thesis – that the official version of the events surrounding the attacks on 9/11 can not be true. This brand new feature documentary explores the latest scientific evidence and reveals dramatic new witness testimony, which directly conflicts with the US Government’s account. Featuring presentations from intellectual heavy weights; Gore Vidal, and Noble Prize winner Dario Fo, the film challenges assumptions surrounding the attacks. In the words of the Italian daily newspaper, Il Corriere de da Sera, “What results is a sequence of contradictions, gaps, and omissions of stunning gravity.” The importance of this film can not be overstated, if its thesis is correct, the justification for declaring the war on terror is built on a series of outrageous lies.
Zero_An.Investigation.Into.9.11.2008.DVDRiP.XviD.Repack-SoSISO
1 CD, 700 MB, sos0911a
104 min, 640×352, 192 AC3
IMDB (5.8), Trailer, NFO, Torrent search
Comments(220)
RS links !! gogogo
We all know Bush is an idiot. Nuff said. Anyone who believes the Bush administration is either a redneck or an uneducated person. God can bless America’s stupidity.
Damn, I knew this site was run by a bunch of angsty teenagers, but you can’t even spell “okay” properly.. A new day, a new low
Yawn… yet another conspiracy theory movie about 9/11. Can’t we move on and get out there to kill them terrorists! Yee-haw!!!
conspiracy theory’s ….. what a load of BS
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
Its 1.38 GB…not 700 I guess. :/
any single links plzz
@3 / Wei
That’s a simple conclusion. I say that all of those who doesn’t believe the Bush administration is a redneck and/or uneducated.
See how stupid it looks? Please log off teh interwebz.
#5
i’ve not looked into the towers and such but i have looked into the pentagon. think it’s all a load of rubbish?
this is a bit off topic but still is tho
take a look at what was found on the black boxes of flight 77
Http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html
this is from what the government itself says was the black box from flight 77 which is supposed to have smashed into the pentagon.
the site was created by pilots who know what all that data means.
should we move on?
if they perpetrated such an atrocity upon it’s own citizens should they retire to texas and collect a nice retirement check? or be brought to justice?
peace
About time this has come to the scene listen, think what you like now. Read the facts now i mean read not listen to the media, the truth is out there at the end of your nose it is not a conspiracy any more its an investigation that will never hit the courts the big man has media in his pocket the media has you in there pocket. Seriously dig up the facts yourself you’ll be very shocked there are so so many question and no answers. Peace out.
My friend was in NY on the faithfull day he says he did’t see no planes and after watching a few dvds like september clues on you tube is this real life or have i just slip’t into serious paranoia
what happened to buildin 7 lulz
anyone got a torrent :[ would really like to see this…
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I mean, ok, it was a great service before, but since the introduction of the 2.6GB/day limit I think it’s time to move on to megaupload or megashares or whatever.
And I think that rlslog and similar sites have so much pull in the community that you could help shift the uploaders to other service that would quickly became a new standard.
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@12 so what are you saying??? so what hit the trade center???
Bush: Yo Osama, G-dawg here. Listen, I need a favor. I kind of need you to take the blame for that WTC gig we talked about.
Osama: No problem. I’ll take the blame, but you make sure you get the world after me, and destroy that cushy Taliban rule we have going on here in Afghanistan. Oh, and don’t forget to kill a bunch of my friends while at it.
Bush: You got it man! I owe you one. I’ll make sure you get lots of CNN coverage too.
If you believe in a 9/11 conspiracy theory, you’re simply an idiot.
‘@12 so what are you saying??? so what hit the trade center???’
The government photochopped your eyesight!!!
This release was posted 98 days ago to newsgroups. That one was a 2 cd release though.
jesus – funny site
Fuzz – wach doc and you will find out
Do you two get paid to be so stupid.
more NWO propagander. anyone who beleives this or BushCos version is an uneducated mindless drone.
9/11 was conceived and master minded on Clinton’s watch. Maybe if he had taken the time to stop getting blow jobs and paid closer attention to worldly affairs this wouldn’t have happen.
At least Obama is putting hard liners in top military positions to finally slaughter the terrorist scum once and for all.
Its a smart plan,blame others,just like the nazis did in the thirties.
Oh but the nazis are ruling america,so i guess its nothing new..
the biggest conspiracy theory is the official story.
9/11 was photoshopped!!111
PS: I am not a crackpot.
I agree with number 15. The RS limits are not good. I used to love RS, but maybe another service would be a better default.
Also, any fellow American reading this…believing what our government says is the LEAST patriotic thing you could ever do. We’re the most hypocritical and corrupt government on the planet today. Period. It’s time to start thinking revolution again…like the founding fathers would have wanted us to.
I’m sorry, but all you conspiracy fanboys need to take off the tinfoil hats and get a life. Seriously. Some bad guys crashed some planes into some buildings. Get over it.
America still leads the world in gullibility.
Inside job….good video too….
Not seem it??Get it…educate yourselves…irrefutable evidence….open your eyes..think…research…dont take my word for it…
Check this out..then come back…
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
Planes with no windows
Building 7
No footage of the plane @ the pentagon (with 100’s of cameras in the area)
Blasts coming from the basement in the WTC, cops and fire reported.
Clearly, many americans love to turn a blind eye to this.
Enjoy your government, and crashing economy!
@25
EXACTLY.
It’s unfortunate that there remain Americans who actually believe the terrorists were trying to invade our country and spread Anthrax to flourishing areas like Podunk, Oregon.
It’s this simple: The American government’s biggest weapon in this ridiculously false “War on Terrorism” is…the undying patriotism of the American people. The American people that are actually gullible enough to believe that a 737 jumbo jet crashed into the Pentagon and burned up, leaving so little a trace of it’s existence, that you can count the scraps on one hand….The same gullible Americans that listen to the firemen inside the WTC say that there were explosions coming from the bottom of the building (along with the other seriously incriminating evidence of explosions coming from the bottom of the building), and still scoff at people who think the buildings may have been rigged to explode.
Metal buildings, that is, that were the first to of their kind in the history of metal buildings (lmao) to defy the laws of physics and be destroyed by fire. Not even possible.
I could ramble on, but it’s no biggie. Those Americans who are brainwashed and those who have common sense but remain in complete denial, are the same ones that believe in ridiculous attempts at logic such as “The Magic Bullet Theory”. Nothing will change their mind because they don’t want their perfect worlds inconvenienced by the possibility that their beloved government operates under a selfish agenda that has nothing to do with the desires of the American people, and does so whenever it feels it has to. Which is pretty much what governments do – status quo. But not us perfect Americans, right?
Anyways, thanks for the vid (like I need anymore proof that 9/11 was an inside job) and to each his own.
@3 wei:
actually there’s one more group who support bush, as you can see from the replies here.
They are the ones in denial because if they admit, or even think about the possibility of it being an inside job, it’ll make them feel like an idiot (half of the american people voted for bush).
people maybe stupid but they don’t want to feel like one.
you just have to live with the fact that 90% of the population is stupid, and they have a defense mechanism that maintain their stupidity.
The teenybop/anracho-commie/anti-globalist truthers are at it again. “sillyamerican” takes the cake. I have a friend who was working at the freaking Pentagon the day the plane hit. it was no bomb fool. Unless, of course, you consider a fuel-laden passenger plane a flying bomb.
This has been out since at least September.
http://www.warez-bb.org/viewtopic.php?t=1529559&highlight=
“stupid people deserves it” said: “you just have to live with the fact that 90% of the population is stupid, and they have a defense mechanism that maintain their stupidity.”
This of course, displays the perfect archetype of a conspiracy nut. A conspiracy nut feels like he/she is one of a privileged and enlightened few that have special access to the truth, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
any nzb (newsgroups) or well seeded torrent lying around for this release?
tia
LOL!
9/11 like 3000 people died.
irak + afganistan more than 1 MILLION people died.
USA is fighting illegal wars all over the world. Believe me I feel very sorry for those in the twin towers. But usa is the mass murder here let’s don’t forget that!
I have not watched this movie yet, not sure I will, however, being an awake person to this worlds reality has urged me to just remind all of you dimwitts! that:
Disprooving a “Fact”/Story… is not prooving a different one… – means that even if the gov’ lied (which is actually really reasonable! – since they wouldn’t/shouldn’t reveal their weak spots to more… than those who knew them….)
and claiming that let’s say, an aircraft couldn’t damage the pentagon as it was… hmmm….again…. hiding those weak points of one of the gov most important buildings!?
and if it was a truck ?! or a fart?! does it matter?! what about those people who were one the plane which “disappeared… ” were they killed?! or paid to vansih?!
who is stupid enough to belive the official story? most, but believing those idiotic BS instead?!
know that you were probably not told the truth since its not good for ur country/gov/anyone over there…
however that doesn’t mean that inventing BS to replace it is …
Just to put in my two cents:
This documentary is horrible and all the guests
look like they are crazy.
Just watch Loose Change.
My name is joe. I believe everything the media tells me. I love being stupid.
does anyone have the italian version of this?
Mike @34:
And here we have a boy scout trying desperately to get on the safe, glorified moral high horse.
I bet Mike feels as superior as the “conspiracy nuts” he described.
as they both share the same pattern: dismiss the other party and label them as inferior.
Whatever side you’re on, the fact remains:
Technology have advanced but the ratio between the leaders and followers has remained the same through out the human population.
the 10% lead the lives of the other 90%.
the 10% invented things that changed the lives of 90% of the people.
the 10% control the wealth of the 90%.
the 90% believe in fairy tales, the 10% doesn’t.
the 90% is against/afraid of the truth. the 10% isn’t.
in any given human herd 90% share the same pattern that the 10% doesn’t.
so, MOST PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
real world example: when the so called “sane” (as in people on the moral high-horse, who is against war and against blood), gets seriously ill, they’ll seek help from people in the 10% (doctors/surgeons/nurse/etc), and guess what, this 10% had to bypass a default “good people” mechanism that tells the brain to walk away from blood/bones as the fact of seeing them suggests a high probability of danger.
The default mechanism is just a beginner’s guide to life. and the sheep always swear by that guide. (thus, most people are stupid, in any given field.)
you can argue right/wrong all day but at the end of the day, there is really only one stick: survival.
if someone chops up people on the street and gets them killed, that person is labeled as a psychopath.
if someone chops up people in a hospital and helps them survive, that person is a hero.
human is a biological machine designed to replicate. a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy who doesn’t even know what happened in the beginning.
hot chicks are “hot” and will be “loved” by more people, because they have a higher chance of producing offsprings that has a higher chance of survival.
so, you see, there is really only one value: survival value. everything else is just a form of marketing.
If you have a gut reaction to this, then you, my sheep, are in the 90%.
Have fun lying to yourself.
And all you dweebs who believe that the US did this to themselves have to be so very p^%$king proud that Popular mechanics has destroyed your stupidity theories with facts and actual experts who do work in metal and welding and physics and explosives and so on on a daily basis.
You want something to ponder, then ponder this morons…in the bombing of the Empire State Building in NY they used the same kind of bomb that was used with supposed bomber Timothy McVie, IGNORING and FBI informant who warned them about this a good two weeks before it happened. Used the same make of explosives only in a bigger truck at the ESB then at the federal building…and what you need to ask yourself is this.
1. The only damage to the ESB was chipping of the supports in the basement where as the whole front of the federal building was destroyed. Now since the ESB was a larger bomb it should have done more damage especially since it was in an enclosed space (same thing happenes on a smaller scale when you place an M80 under a tin can) So why did a bigger bomb cause no structure damage in an enclosed space that would amplify the explosiv force by a factor of 10, and yet you have a much smaller bomb made of the same things that was parked in an open parking lot a good 30 feet from the building, and it brought down the whole fromt of the building. 90% of the explosive force would have been sent AWAY from the building due to the “spread” factor of the concussion wave of the blast as it would have nothing to contain it like in the parking basement of the ESB.
As for the WTC, any IDIOT with two brain cells to rub to make a spark knows that when you add heat to metal over time the metal softens and thus will lose its strength. And ANY IDIOT knows that when you have a four legged stool and one leg is removed and another leg is weakened, the stool cannot support it’s own weight nor anyone elses and WILL COLLAPSE. As for the other buildings..when you have tons upon tons of cement and steel, even weakened steel; falling on you it is going to cause structural damage, and the higher the object the harder it is going to hit. That you dumbarses is basic physics 101 and basic metalurgy 101.
And the last thing is whoops…you have camera’s from all over NY clearly showing you that planes hit the WTC and you have recently relesed video tape from the gas station across the street from the Pentagon CLEARLY SHOWING A PLANE HITTING SAME!! And according to the experts in film and photography at the Kodak factory in NY, the tape has not been altered in any way.
Strike 1-2 and three, you conspiracy numbnuts have struck out so go back and join your flat earth society and debate on if the moon landing is real and the rest of us will remain in reality while you and your ilk are in la-la land.
Not seen film ?
Brit here,not sure on topic but as for goverments covering things up,all you have to do is look at the Arms sold to Iraq to now that both goverments know exactly what govermants are capable of covering up.
This has more to do with a war on islam than a war on terror and the towers ,reguardless of who did it are just casualties in that war,along with all the people and soldier’s that have died before and since that evil event.
I personally know a few people from the services and there just following order’s as a true soldier/pilot should but i believe its a Crusade ,modern but crusade never the less on both side
Here you pigeons go
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
i’ve not seen the movie and may not. and in fact nearly nothing of the rest (the towers and such). except for the newspapers and tv at the time.
recently i saw a reference in a thread at an emule forum that mentioned the pentagon attack. so i did a search to see what years had produced. frankly i was taken aback. the first site (and only site) i went to was that pilots link i posted.
guess what? they had gotten the black box from the NTSB itself and after analyzing the data it contained so many questions that conflicted with what the government says happened that it made me question what really did happen.
those people knew how to track everything the flight recorders were showing and they worked the flight minute by minute….evening showing what the instruments showed when the NTSB said things were occuring. and guess what. impossible is the correct term.
go to that link and see for yourselves. did you know that it was impossible for that plane to have sheared off those light poles from the data on the flight recorders?
this isn’t some conspiracy theory but actual data from the flight recorders themselves. the flight recorders obtained from the NTSB thru the freedom of information act.
deny it all you want. say the data has been falsified if you want. i’m not a conspiracy nut. i don’t go to those websites and haven’t even looked into it until a few days ago, but one thing is for certain. what the government maintains was happening is in conflict with what the flight recorders themselves show.
at the least it deserves looking into, but won’t. like some say here move one and the economy is in bad shape and people have too many other concerns than hashing over old news…so it probably wont be. and that’s sad. sad that people’s minds are already closed to discovering the truth. that’s the saddest part of all.
i don’t know what hit the pentagon. maybe it was flight 77? i don’t know, but what i do know is that what the government says happened is not backed up with the flight data. look at the evidence for yourselves. not this documentary, but the data from the flight recorders and then say there aren’t valid questions there.
the NTSB refuses to decode the additional data still on the boxes too. now why is that? i think to protect themselves personally. it would be terribly embarrassing if it showed they put out data that was invalid…just as they have so far.
look at the data for yourselves (again—not this movie–but the real flight recorder data) unless you’re like prespective jurors who’ve already come to a verdict even before seeing the evidence? that truly sad!
@mike:
LOL experts?
“Experts” my arse, anyone with IQ above 90 would have noticed there are 2 different groups of “experts” stating “facts” calling each others liars.
One group is getting paid more and gets more main stream media support tho.
If I am the party behind this, for every 1 piece of the truth that leaked out, I’ll make sure 50 slightly different copies are released into the media by mixing the truth with lies.
So the 90% sheep have something to support their fairy tale, they’ll feel so safe and when they spot the little lie in those distorted copies of truth.
And by rejecting those lies they have something to reinforce their own assumption, so they can stop thinking and go back to grass eating. Eating grass safely is what they really want.
Here, have some grass.
common sense
lol
that statement of yours saying that camera at that gas station clearly showed the plane hitting the pentagon? where is the clarity?
lol
do you all realize that the pentagon is the most secure most camera covered building in this country? and all they released were what ? 5 frames from a gas station camera across the street?
that funny!
and i’m not a conspiracist—-only a realist.
and that’s absurd!
I worked at the Pentagon at the day of the crash, and I still do.
I’ve seen the plane. The PLANE. Not a missile, a passenger plane.
The memories about the event don’t hurt half as much as people trying to convince people we’ve hit the Pentagon ourselves. You know who you are.
@51 pvt laghouse
the following statement has as much credibility as yours:
I worked at the Pentagon at the day of the crash, and I still do.
I’ve seen the banana. The BANANA, Not a missle, a banana. Some kid threw a banana towards the building then the building collasped.
yawn, next!
pvt Langhouse
i just as much as anyone mourn the deaths of our servicemen and defense employee, but if what you say is true? and i’ve no reason to doubt it. then you kow (or should know) how secure and well camera-ed that building is?
and they release 5 frames froma gas station across the street?
now what’s wrong with that picture?
i’m not saying the plane didn’t hit it. what the evidence from the black box obtained from the NTSB does show is that what they put out as what happened is not what the flight indicator readouts showed. that alone is enough to question them.
@53 zysterx
As this is still a pending investigation, all evidence is witheld. That’s not weird, that’s standard procedure, in any case.
I can’t say anything on the case of the black box as I’m not an aviator, nor do I know nearly enough of aviation to know such details.
I can however give you a few facts to think about about the plane hitting us. I did not come up with them, but I found em in a rebutal to “Loose Change”, called “Scr*w Loose Change” (worth watching, particulary on the Pentagon case). It’s the lights at the lawn aswell as the damaged generator. If not an airplane sliding in, what damaged these?
This clip, taken from “Scr*w Loose Change” will illustrate what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1n-rvG04pw&fmt=18
@52 sdbsbdsb
Enjoy your banana.
The governments own conspiracy theory that 19 hijackers some of which are still alive where able to hijack four commercial airplanes with boxcutters who went undetected for hours is the most ludicrous of them all.
Those who just debunk it as a conspiracy theory obviously have not watched any good info on 9/11 challenging the official version of events which don’t even mention how building 7 collapsed in the official report.
Why can’t the find evidence to charge Osama Bin Laden with 9/11 on the FBI’s on official website?
Does it not bother any Americans that 5 Mossad agents working for an Israeli front company Urban Moving were caught filming the event cheering and flicking lighters and when arrested failed polygraph tests and found in there possession boxcutters, explosive residue and $3000 work of cash.
Then Michael Chertoff intervened, a dual Israeli/US citizen whose mother helped create the Mossad had them released and deported to Israel.
Maybe you should look at who actually controls the US the J people who dominated banking, media, academia and government posting who are dual citizens of country I.
This is an excellent documentary.
It covers every aspect including what the fake “Al-Queda” terrorist organisation is.
The people they talk to are former FBI/CIA agents, former US ambassador for the US embassy in Saudi Arabia, and pilots and air traffic controllers. Not exactly crack pot conspiracy theorists.
Something I didn’t know is that Donald Rumsfield changed the hijacking protocol shortly before 9/11
@common sense
“add heat to metal over time the metal softens”
Then we should stop flying planes or driving cars.
The WTC building was designed to withstand planes flying into it.
The metal with which the WTC building was constructed would bend over a period of time with temperatures exceeding those capable of those used in Jet fuel hence way planes engines don’t melt and fall from the sky.
As far as the Pentagon is concerned there was 85 separate cameras confiscated by the FBI including the Pentagons own perimeter CCTV cameras and what was released was 1 still image of an explosion.
Do you believe that Atta’s passport survived the plane explosion but heat was hot enough to melt metal?
The Pentagon has it own missile defence system why did that not respond?
langhouse lies…liar!!
there was NO plane…it was a missile…look at my first post #30….a plane makes a hole 20 ft wide??
If it wasnt such a criminal murderous act the “official” story would be laughable….
Those who spoout anger to those who Q are at best ill informed, and at worst F!@#ing stupid beyond belief…
IMDB rating of 5.8 thats BS.
Obviously people are voting who reject any notion of a possible 9/11 conspiracy.
I all!! I’m an engineer here in Portugal! I make my living building Towers much like the twin towers…not that big though…but how we make it is very much the same…
Well there is no way that those buildings fall on their on…there had to be demolition charges…
I’m not saying that was bush who did it!! But someone did…
One thing i think we all agree..we do not know all the truth and i’m pretty sure its not to protect us (you americans)…
One more advice…keep an open mind!!!for all sides…There’s no master of the truth!!!
Check this site http://www.ae911truth.org/ and see what the professionals from the area say!!!
“…19 hijackers some of which are still alive…”
That nonsense had a shelf life of one week, more than 7 years ago.
That one week being the delay between releasing the names of the hijackers (which were shared by many living people in the ME) and the release of the photos of their heads (which were shared by nobody). Nobody has claimed these people were alive since then.
You have absolutely no interest in “truth” and “facts” if you are still peddling this nonsense.
@george
I doubt its a missile I think thats black propaganda to weaken alternative theories to what happened just like those who claim there were no planes that hit the towers, that it was just explosions and the planes where inserted latter by SFX which can be easily debunked and used to discredit the whole 9/11 truth movement.
It is most likely a fighter jet that hit the Pentagon.
That would explain why the Pentagons radar system did not pick up the aircraft and a number of jet fighters were scrambled from the nearby air force base near the Pentagon.
If you look at the image closely of the Pentagon ataack you see a white stream just before the explosion at the bottom right that looks like a fighter jet stream.
For a good compilation of facts please donate 15 minutes to this:
http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/9/11
It is hard to start to believe such atrocities being organized by government and secret services, but once one gets over the first shock and starts to put pieces together, eventually understanding comes…
False flag operations have been practiced a very long time. The recent two worth to mention are:
1) Terrorist act by German intelligence agency BND in Kosovo (in order to get European Union police force into the country); luckily those agents were caught by local police.
2) Terror act in Mumbai, India which leads back to Mossad organizers in order to prevent closer relationships between India and Iran (which is also under serious threat of Israel/US attack).
The point is – these things really happen! Killed people and global panic makes good excuse for expanding police and military influence, shrinking democracy, etc.
Of all the lies that the American government told the world, this one is the funniest: Hijackers’ paper and plastic passports magically surviving a 650 degree inferno and safely landing on the pavement below.
MAGIC PASSPORTS:
http://www.rense.com/general68/pass.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html
Oh btw, 2 more points:
1) During the cold war era (which most of you teenage kiddies wouldn’t have a clue about), the main aim of both superpowers was to control Arabian petrol resources either by befriending them or by threatening them or by creating conflicts involving them or, simply, by invading them. Guess which country succeeded ?
2) You give too much credit to the terrorist side. You see terrorism is much like sniping in its core aim: “one shot, one kill”. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that the terrorists would have chosen more than one target at a time. I believe that, even though the attack on twin towers was performed by terrorists, the other two were planned, coordinated and carried out by people other than terrorists.
I also believe that at least CIA had prior knowledge of the attacks and that they actually left the terrorists alone to finish the job. There is so much evidence against the official version of events that one can’t ignore anymore.
“Check this site http://www.ae911truth.org/ and see what the professionals from the area say!!!”
What does it matter what your profession is if you are saying “there’s no way they fell on their own” ?
Tell me how credible a JFK conspiracy theorist is who would avoid mentioning the fact that he was shot and went around saying “there’s no way his head exploded on it’s own”. Must have
Then realise this has to be a hypothetical since, after 40 years, nobody has been stupid or crazy enough to try on the kind of intellectual dishonesty you are.
How did OJ’s wife die ? There’s no way her head separated itself from her shoulders. Some big thinkin going on here.
No James…sorry, i beg to differ….missiles also have vapour trails…how does a missile theory “weaken alternative theories??All it does is, if anything, is weaken the official word, not the other way round…
The pentagon knew the plane was coming…we know this as fact….it wasnt “hidden” from view…Cheney ordered the “standdown”….WHY??
I say missile based on the size of the hole in the building BEFORE it fell down…no more than 20ft across….huh??20ft??Thats impossible!!
Not if you believe the official word…
Its not a case of wearing tinfoil hats blah blah….this is said to besmirch the folks(including family members, spouses of the murdered etc)who want another investigation into the biggest Coverup the world has ever seen….. a F!@#ing disgrace…
“I think thats black propaganda to weaken alternative theories … used to discredit the whole 9/11 truth movement.”
Except you need to pretend anyone but the same “9/11 truth movement” has been peddling what they know to be these same easily debunked lies for years.
After 4 years they were all still claiming there were no photos of the hijackers at airports. A google search for “hijacker airport” turned up a dozen pictures, 8 of which were of the hijackers. They probably still are.
Who do we blame for a lie that lame, peddled by nobody other than these people supposedly interested in “research” and “truth” ?
Where’s the lie in the “official version” that compares to nonsense like this or “the hijackers are still alive” ? Did I miss something and Bush claimed there was no Pentagon despite the photographs of it ?
This is the lamest fraud the internet has seen so far and won’t be topped until boner pill spammers promise to grow you 2 d*cks.
@s3n
Some of the alleged hijackers have come to the US embassy in Saudi Arabia to clear there name it’s in the documentary.
Why won’t they release the airport CCTV footage that they have when boarding flights?
The one they released of Atta at New York was actually Portland.
Why the cover-up if they have nothing to hide.
I have a question why has the US not arrested Abdullah Bin Laden?
In the official lawsuit filed by the victims against Saudi Arabia names his organisation The Benevolence Foundation as a terrorist front NGO who financed the hijackers stay in the US.
Scandinavian intelligence officials have named Abdullah with financing terrorism in the Balkans and like various terrorist front organisations like the mentioned above Benevolence Foundation and World Muslim Youth.
In 2002 a document was discovered by Bosnian investigators from pressure from US and western intelligence officials to investigate terrorist activities called the Golden Chain a list which the terrorist themselves listed as there major financiers dating back to 89 which included Abdullah Bin Laden.
Also in the same a Bosnian court charged Abdullah with running terrorist camps in Bosnia.
Abdullah is a senior shareholder in the Carlyle Groups which also has senior former politicians like British PM John Major and George Bush Sr he was also I former Harvard graduate so it would not be hard to get background info on him and arrest him.
So why are we going across the world to fight terrorism yet letting the perhaps the biggest financial backer of Islamic terrorism to conduct business transactions in the US?
s3n:
so all you’re saying is both the government and some people did infact talked nonsense.
now I can understand why some people talk nonsense.
but the government?
if you have the logic to spot nonsense from people then why do you shut the logic down when you face the government’s official story?
if you’re not stupid, are you afraid?
i mean if you’re so “factual” as you’re trying to look, then why talk like the government’s version is the truth?
pvt Langhouse
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the generator?
think if you’ll look at the actual data from the flight indicator at that pilots link i posted you’ll see that it was impossible for that to have happened.
what was given by the NTSB to account for that generator damage was a direct opposite in turn (left/right) from what the flight indicator actually showed.
so how did the eg==generator get dameaged if that plane followed the flight path put forth? answer they put out false data and it couldn’t have.
here is the site to check for yourself. these are professional pilots (listed) who know how to analyze flight data indicators. not conspiratists.
here are the questions the pilots group would ask after analyzing the flight data….notice the reference to the generator?
why not check the data for yourselves? instead of closing off any indications contrary to wthat the government has put forth as truth?
read this and then actually go to the link below it and then ask yourselves if what your government officials are giving false info contrary to the facts?
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Questions For NTSB/FBI Regarding Flight Data Recorder Information
The current FDR shows 480′ MSL True Altitude, too high to hit the light poles. What are your findings of True Altitude at end of data recording 09:37:44. Why did you provide a Flight Data Recorder that shows the aircraft too high without a side letter of explanation? How did you come to your conclusion.
What is the vertical speed at end of data recording :44. How did you come to your conclusion.
What is the Absolute Altitude and end of data recording? How did you come to your conclusion.
Why does the csv file show the altimeter being set in the baro cor column on the descent through FL180, but the animation altimeter does not show it being set?(This is a blatant cover-up to confuse the average layman in hopes no one would adjust for local pressure to get True Altitude. Too bad for them we caught it).
Why do the current G Forces for the last minute of data correspond to the changes in vertical speed, yet at end of data :44-:45 it shows an increase in vertical speed never accounting for any type of level off to be level with the lawn as shown in the DoD video?
Do you have any video showing a clear impact and/or of the plane on its approach to impact?
Why does your animation show a flight path north of the reported flight path?
Why are there no system indication of any impact with any object up to and after :44?
Why does the csv file and animation show a right bank when the official report requires a left bank to be consistent with physical damage to the generator?
How did you come to the conclusion of 09:37:45 as the official impact time?
What is the exact chain of custody of the FDR? What date/time was it found? Where exactly was it found? Please provide documentation and names.
Why does the hijack timeline show a 3 min interval for hijacking to take place? Why was Capt. Burlingame reported to have not followed protocol for the Common Strategy prior to 9/11?
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Http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html
s3n above is an idiot
he’s saying just because there’s some nuts with holes in their theories, the government’s version suddenly become believable.
why are you focusing on the idiots and not the government?
if anything they are just as “lame”
you’re the one pretending that the government is the angel
dude, leave them alone
stop trying to wake them up.
they’re like the fat ugly chicks in high school that doesn’t get any attentions from the guys.
stop telling them they’re ugly, they already know, let them pretend they are too pretty for the guys and the world is fine.
they’ll understand eventually.
#63
WHAT??
Degreed people, with doctorates and phd’s who are prepared to dispute the USA ’s official word….it is because of their professions and their specialization in civil engineering fields that leads them to disagree with the official word….
Your remaining ramblings made NO sense at all…JFK has FA to do with this…..
you need to read more ….
@Terrorist
Haven’t heard about the Mossad incident in India I would be grateful if you could post a link to news story.
If you want to research the history of US/Western backed terrorism that we are fighting now I suggest you visit http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/ and read the trial transcripts of the farcical Milosevic show trial at http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/hague.htm
The only one who could have pulled of 9/11 and influence in the US media and government is Israel and the Mossad who are the only ones to gain from the 9/11 terrorists attacks.
Neo-conservatism is just another Jewish political movement read Professor Kevin MacDonald historical research and work on the issue.
for some unknown reason this page is hidden from rlslog’s main page (you can still find it in movies category tho)
save a copy before this gets deleted
LOL @ 51..nice to see government personnel using rlslog!! Don’t you mean on the day of the crash?? we’ve all seen the plane man!! it’s clearly seen on that 1/5th of a second clip they released!! LOL
@51
how fast can you seed torrents from the pentagon?
LOL @75
51 is just another blinded by the media..
@ Terrorist
you can also add the US government CIA planning an attack on florida to kill (that’s kill folks) american citizens to get support for an invasion of cuba.
and not to mention releasing bacteria…radiation…and other virulent things into the subway systems to determine if it would show up in the population? and the black guys with syphilis. withholding a cure so they could be studied? you government loves you america!
lol
disinfo agent i say….that or definately deluded….
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
Whats your take on this langhouse??
@george
But wouldn’t the Pentagons own radar system detect a missile and the missile defence system they have stationed there shot it down?
The radar would detect a jet to but it would register as a friendly and not consider it as a threat to violation of airspace.
I’m surprised 9/11 researchers don’t focus more on the alleged hijackers themselves there background, contacts, etc.
@s3n
I googled in “hijacker airport” in Google and did not come up with anything.
If there’s a specific website your referencing that I could look at that you could post I would appreciate it
If you are talking about the passport headshot photos then that proves nothing.
The government would have them when they submitted there Visa application to enter the US.
Why are the hijackers not listed on the flight manifesto you the hijacked planes?
you could post I would appreciate
@44
That was wonderful. You are very off subject to the lot, but to a few of us that was deep. I like the way tou think, and i wish that way of thought made sense to so many more, as clear written as it honestly seemed. To dig deeper you could say that the very reason that the 90% are stupid is because the 10% need them there though. How would the 10% be able to exist if they didn’t have a “90%” to feed off of. As much as I distrust my country, i am awake enough to realize they need me more then I need them. Balance shifts under great shifts. What we need is not to worry about the’truths’ in detail, but come together as a 90% ( much larger then 10%) and understand that the 10% are given the power that they have from our negligence\complacency. On a grand scale, as dire as our existence is, it’s not to late to jump the fence and shift the balance. Never give up on the human race. As diseased as we are, and a threat to the existence of evry other form of life on earth, we have the will to adapt and the numbers and strength to overcome. Don’t give up. Teach, inform, respect, heal, and make a difference to the best of your abilities.
And no. I am not religious.
@ James
“Some of the alleged hijackers have come to the US embassy in Saudi Arabia to clear there name it’s in the documentary.”
No, they didn’t. Read what I wrote again.
You think after 7 years nobody followed this up ? Der Spiegel did.
“Why won’t they release the airport CCTV footage that they have when boarding flights?”
One would guess that they assumed the footage of them checking in to the flights was enough. But all you really want is a diversion from acknowledging what is available. If there was CCTV of them boarding (would there be?) then you would be asking for footage of them in their seats.
The one they released of Atta at New York was actually Portland. Why the cover-up if they have nothing to hide.
Nobody on either side has ever claimed anyone boarded a plane in NY. Nobody but you has ever claimed he was photographed boarding anywhere but Portland. I guess they are covering up his Alaska flight too.
@ James
I’m surprised 9/11 researchers don’t focus more on the alleged hijackers themselves there background, contacts, etc.
Really ? I would have thought the reason they were avoiding that would have been kind of obvious. Books like “Perfect Soldiers” have been available since 2002. Why don’t you do that research, read the families talking about their not-alive children and figure it out for yourself.
“@s3n: I googled in “hijacker airport” in Google and did not come up with anything.”
Then you are doing it wrong.
If there’s a specific website your referencing that I could look at that you could post I would appreciate it
Take your pick of any of the 9/11 conspiracy theory websites.
@ george
“JFK has FA to do with this…..you need to read more ….”
You need to read what I wrote.
I didn’t say JFK had anything to do with it.
I pointed out that after 40 years nobody has been dishonest enough to suggest JFK must have had undetectable explosives implanted in his head, just because they wanted to avoid the obvious cause of his head exploding.
Are you saying you are really not bright enough to figure out the comparison I am making ? Wow.
james
November 27th, 2008 | 04:14
@george
But wouldn’t the Pentagons own radar system detect a missile and the missile defence system they have stationed there shot it down?
The radar would detect a jet to but it would register as a friendly and not consider it as a threat to violation of airspace.
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would the radar have?
that seems to be in question>
there was a white jet flying over the pentagon that day, but it seems nobody has any record of it. nobody but the public who took pictires of it that is.
Http://rense.com/general76/e4boverWhiteHouse.jpg
Http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=483&st=0&
lol
s3n
yeah mate still dont know what your talking about….whose being dishonest here???
I suggest people do their own research, watch this film and make their own minds up….
s3n
So do you support the official story,including wtc7?//
yeah mate still dont know what your talking about….whose being dishonest here???
Well the 9/11 conspiracy theorist pretending he’s never heard of planted explosives in connection with 9/11 would be obvious suspect.
@79 Never@home
thank you, it’s good to see someone else in the 10% group on rlslog
however, trying to change the 90% is pointless, 1/9 is the norm of the universe, atleast in this dimension
if you look at the atomic level, it’s particles orbit relatively far away from the nucleus.
if you look at the universe level, trillions of stars orbit around super black holes
small particle dust (friendly, innocent powerless people) become stars (close groups), stars become star systems (community), a star become black hole under high pressure (someone decided to become a strong leader), this black hole now controls the star systems and form a galaxy ( a government)
you can watch a government destroy itself, you can watch a government gets taken over by another, but you don’t ask the government to give power back to the people, the same way you can’t make a star turn back into dust without making it explode.
gravity is one way only — towards the center.
if you look at human history, all the governments ever existed either destroyed itself and lose everything (blackhole sucked everything down and evaporates after releasing particles as quasar) or got taken over by another (one galaxy consumed by another stronger galaxy)
and peace? no war? that’s funny, take a drop of your own blood and place it under a microscope, what do you see? bacteria killing healthy cells, white blood cells killing bacteria. aka WAR.
anyone who truely believe in peace, should demonstrate by infecting themselves with the AIDS virus. That way their immune system will break down and they’ll stop killing bacterias, aka “stop wars”.
life comes with war, the only time when there was no war is when there was no life.
either you move towards the center and ultimately self destruct, or you orbit around the center thinking you’ll last forever.
OK…and what of wtc7?????
WTC 7 dropped in it’s own footprint like all good controlled demolitions do.
Mike, that would sound better if we hadn’t had 7 years of nutbags claiming that WTC1 and 2, which fell from the top and destroyed many surrounding buldings, were also classic examples of controlled demolition which fell in their own footprint.
Something everyone involved knew was a lie.
Which buildings were destroyed??
The only damage done to surrounding buildings was caused by the massive concrete and steel sections which in some cases were propelled 500ft away from the building, such was the force of the explosion…no other buildings fell that day, just wtc1,2 and 7,yet no plane hit 7, making it the Worlds first and only tall building (47 stories)made of steel to ever fall down, perfectly into its own footprint as a result of a few SMALL fires burning on a few floors…
And you want people to believe this crap??YOU believe this crap….
Have a look here…
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0
OR..
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=F8XBxw7k8rk
#6 / jesus
Jesus H Chirst jesus, that site is pathetic. Take a look at his logic. The video is fake because the guy who made it is still alive. That would mean that if the guy was dead, it would add credibility to the claims made in the video. So his own logic answers his question. They wouldn’t want to kill the makers of any 9/11 conspiracy video, because if they did, it would add credibility to the video.
I think there’s no denying US government involvement in 9/11. Given Bush’s admission that he watched the first plane hit the Nth tower live, while there was no live footage of that incident, there’s only one conclusion to be made. He knew it was coming.
“Which buildings were destroyed??”
30 West Broadway was damaged to the point where it was not salvageable. The Verizon building required $1.4 billion (with a ‘B’) worth of repairs. WTC3, WTC4, WTC5, WTC6.
Let me guess, you’re using a definition of “destroyed” which would disqualify the OKC building from having had anything bad happen to it. Was that not destroyed because it didn’t fall over on the same day ?
The only damage done to surrounding buildings was caused by the massive concrete and steel sections which in some cases were propelled 500ft away from the building
I’ll take that as agreement that you too are aware people have been lying about these buildings falling in their own footprint in classic controlled demolition conditions for the past 7 years.
#44 / common sense
“As for the WTC, any IDIOT with two brain cells to rub to make a spark knows that when you add heat to metal over time the metal softens and thus will lose its strength.”
Yes, that’s why steel framed buildings fall over all the time due to fire…
Oh wait, no they don’t. Clearly your hypothesis is not supported by the observational evidence.
destroyed+WTC1,2 and 7….
Because the buildings were exploded to smithereens the debris travelled more than 500 ft..
What caused this effect??
If “softened steel ” caused it, why the massive explosions, which are VERY CLEARLY HEARD ON THE CLIP POSTED ABOVE??
500 ft is a long way to toss sections of the WTC weighing upwards of 120 tonnes 500 ft…..how?/
What caused all the secondary explosins???
To many Q’s unanswered if you ask me…
INSIDE JOB…
Your defence of the official story speaks volumes for your ignorance…
Answer my Q’s if you have all the answers s3n…
“Answer my Q’s if you have all the answers s3n…”
You mean your questions like “how did debris travel as far as it clearly did given that nobody anywhere is stupid enough to dispute this, since they can all see the photos of the damage” ?
Why would I bother answering that. You don’t even understand why you are writing it. The only thing you’ve said here is that you are completely dishonest, given that you are willing to dispute photographic evidence nobody else on earth has a problem with.
The stuff that not even the nutters blaming alien attack will dispute is questionable for you. Wow.
Yes, that’s why steel framed buildings fall over all the time due to fire… Oh wait, no they don’t. Clearly your hypothesis is not supported by the observational evidence.
You mean observational evidence like planes crashing into buildings, causing structural damage none of these other building fires had at the point from which the collapse originated ?
Of course you don’t.
It really is hard to summarize just how stupid and dishonest you people are, but everyone on earth saw the 9/11 attacks and only one bunch of people decided to say “nothing to see here” when it came to the planes crashing into the buildings part.
Under what circumstances did you think people would forget that tiny, little detail ?
Popular Mechanics has a great article online scientifically debunking each & every one of these crazy 9/11 conspiracy theories:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
Its a good read.
These theory conspiracy theorists have a very good reason to distrust the government, as do I, but they’re going about it the wrong way with their theories.
Do your research in quiet for another X years or so, and when you have something more “concrete” and “irrefutable” then come back to us.
Kind of reminds me of the ID movement.
Even if your in a minority of one truth is still the truth
Ghandi.
i havent seen no evidence to disprove this film probably never will watch it
# 96 / s3n
“You mean observational evidence like planes crashing into buildings, causing structural damage none of these other building fires had at the point from which the collapse originated ?
Of course you don’t.”
These buildings were designed to withstand such an impact. And WTC7 didn’t sustain such impact, yet it went down as well.
The official report estimated that the steel reached a temp of around 700 deg (I can’t remember the exact value), which weakened the steel, causing the collapse. But then they couldn’t find any examples of steel that had reached anywhere near that temperature. This indicates that their estimates were flawed, probably because they failed to allow for the heat sinking effect when they calculated the estimate. They still posted the obviously flawed estimate in the official report. WHY?
But that’s all irrelevant. How could GWB have seen the first plane hit the Nth tower, as he has claimed? He specifically stated that he saw it on a TV monitor prior to entering the classroom in Florida, and that was prior to the second plane hitting the Sth tower. There was no known footage available that day, so the only way he could possibly have seen it at that time, is if he knew it was going to happen, and had a camera pointing at it.
Clearly,
i have a question
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GuySmiley
November 27th, 2008 | 08:23
Popular Mechanics has a great article online scientifically debunking each & every one of these crazy 9/11 conspiracy theories:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
Its a good read.”
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a good read—-? really??
in no where in that article does it explain the presence of molten steel found in the lower levels of the towers.
the lead header says molten steel, but the reading of the details has no mention of molten steel. only that the temperatures could not have reached sufficient degrees to actually cause the steel to become molten.
what it does is it does use the temperatures as causing a weakening of the steel sufficient enough to cause the collapse but nowhere in that article does it explain the presence of molten steel in the lower levels. which is attested to by eyewitnesses. or have those claims now been rejected?
i’m asking that seriously. has it now been proven to be false….cause i really haven’t been following 9-11 at all and only recently the pentagon debacle.
so if someone says the claim of molten steel in the lower levels is a false claim and shows me a reliable source then fine, but that article doesn’t explain it.
it only uses the term molten steel in the lead header and actually affirms that nothing in that fire was capable of producing it.
so if there was molten steel in pools in the lower levels as have been reported by firefighters how is it explained?
high explosives are capable of causing it but nothing in the plane nor any combination of the plane or the building could have.
was there molten steel in the lower levels or not?
if there was what caused it?
eyewitness testimony from experts say they saw the molten steel.
all that report explains is the capability of a weakening of the structure sufficeint to cause a cascading effect, but the molten steel is never explained and cannot be.
so much for popular mechanics!
“in no where in that article does it explain the presence of molten steel found in the lower levels of the towers.”
Nor does it explain the way beams were sheared off, just like those in a controlled demolition. Or how a passport managed to survive a fire hot enough to weaken a steel building. Or why WTC7 came down. Or why Bush was able to see live footage of the first plane hitting the Nth tower.
All it does is support the possibility that fire caused the buildings to collapse, but that’s meaningless in light of the overwhelming evidence that suggests this was not the cause and that there’s far more to the story.
Plane collision tests on buildings have never used fully fuel laden aircraft, a KNOWN weakness in the testing procedure.
As for the engineer above, he should relise every building design is different, but mainly should look at the structual analsys of WTC. If the intial impacts had not smashed of a lot of the protective foam, if the fires had not been so hot accross multiple floors and possibly if the design of the building (unlike MOST skyscrapers where the strength is in the corners) whose support was around the center, the story may of been different.
The combined pressue of multiple floors, extreme heat on multiple floors and damage to fire protection caused fatal falures.
Lastly has anyone seen a building before controlled demolition, it would of been blindling obvious to all concerned who entered the building that it was rigged up, think some people have seen too much hollywood films when a claymore takes out an area the size of a city block or 2.
molten steel photo
http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/…/image034.jpg
molten steel
http://tropicaldreamscapes.com/WTC-7-Steel-from-the-911-Memorial-International-Peace-Garden-ND-Manitoba-office-fires-do-not-do-this-to-steel-but-Thermate-and-Thermite-do-produce-molten-steel.jpg
More molten steel, all from 9/11
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/slimpimpinstb/WTC20Molten20Steel20Photos20Fact-1.jpg
well…..it’s been interesting. i have to bow out myself, but do appreciate the lively discussion.
all the causes and explainations on the pentagon have only shown again that people are pretty ignorant (not saying stupid but un-informed and that’s no insult either) of the data behind the questions that we should be asking those in government to explain.
i too was not informed on the pentagon angle and have great gaps in the towers. so i looked for my own self at what the data showed and there are many conflicts (some glaring) with what the official position is.
i hope at least some of you will check the pilots forum. those are credible professional informed on aviation people who know how to interpret flight data and they say what our government is putting out as an explaination conflicts with the data they themselves have offered and true.
i’m not a true believer (christianity) but find truths in the bible and there is one passage that i recall that fits nder these circumstances.
“I will see Him for myself…and not for another.”
see it for yourselves and don’t just mouth the official line.
i went looking into the pentagon facts as someone who knew little of the details and what i’ve found is that our government has given us facts which are in conflict with their own released data.
look with an open mind and no preconceived verdicts and see what is there.
those pilots are credible people. if they make claims not supported by the facts it soon becomes apparent and shown to be so. what more can a person ask that to have that from those who look into such complicated—special trained analysis?
wish you all well.
no insults intended on my part towards anyone. i only attack ideas and not people.
peace@
well said mate…
s3n loves jerking off
both towers fell over like a controlled explosion we all see in old buildings,
there was no physic resistance from concrete -as it should- from lower levels,
towers collapsed at aproximately 10 secs with the same velocity that a stone was thrown out of the window, thats insane!
Oh boy ! “if its thesis is correct, the justification for declaring the war on terror is built on a series of outrageous lies” . . . even if this thesis is incorrect, this “war on terror” that started on a big lie on Irak is wrong ! You want the truth about the 9/11 but you accepted all the lies of this stupid government just because you wanted to hear YOUR truth, not THE truth, and that’s the point of this documentary. If you want to see a good documentaru, try “911 the towers and the pentagone”. The point about thinking that it was an “inside job” is to think that people were manipulated, so they haven(t accepted to go to war in purpose. But it was the point. They did. They wwere happy to go to war and kick these terrorists asses. This is what we call responsability. You’ve got to live with that.
It never ceases to amaze me what kind of people you can find over the net.
People who are more willing to believe the propaganda of extremist organizations who oppose freedom, are backed by countries who censor and kill their own citizens, than believe the government of the united states.
A democratic country with a government organization composed of thousands of people, normal people like you and me. Considering an event that killed over 3000 people, when the second plane hitting the second tower was broadcasted live in CNN, FOX and more.
you are more willing to believe that CNN, FOX, the US government (literally thousands of people) banded together to perform a hoax, kill their own brothers and sisters in order to go to war?
unbelievable!!
If this was all BS then why did Norman Metena, the transportation secretary, reported under oath that Cheney was already in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center 9:25 AM on 9\11 and he ordered that interceptor jets be called-off. If he’s a person who has worked so many years in a career establishing a reputation that he has this kind of government clearance, why would he lie? Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me.
When you put all that accounts together it doesn’t make sense. This is as lame as the lone gunman theory for JFK. Only a moron would believe there was one bullet, and on 911 only a moron would accept the evidence as is.
hi i’m joe.
the official version is false because some guys said contradicting things on the news immediately after the attack.
buy my dvd (spooky background music included)!
hi i’m jeff.
i’m no physicist or structural engineer but from the tv footage it clearly looks like a planned demolition (not that i have seen one before).
buy my dvd (angry teenager voiceover included)!
jews did 9/11
@114
i thought that jews were responsible for global warming.
Oh, and putting the fat in the Mcdonalds burger.
Oh, and the sky being blue.
Oh, and they are in charge of all the media and banking.
Oh, don’t forget WW2. (maybe even WW3)
@zysterx 105
you sir are very polite.
I’d just call them stupid and idiots.
In the beginning I wouldn’t, but now I do.
Because at some point I realized one thing. When it takes that much effort to even convince people that there are very reasonable doubts to the official story. Then that person is an idiot.
If that person isn’t stupid, then it wouldn’t take that much effort.
The best part is always watching how these idiots mind freeze when they’re faced with the build 7 collaspe.
it goes like this:
stupid people: “OH YOU TIN FOIL HAT CONSPIRACY NUTS, THE PLANE WEAKEN THE STEEL THAT’S WHY 1&2 COLLASPED!’
smart people: “ok… now why WTC7 fell the same way? no plane hit it”
stupid people: “……..(mind freeze)…….it was eer.. oh yes, SHOCK WAVE or HEAT from the WTC1/2 that caused WTC7 to fall!”
smart people: “ok then why everything around WTC7 wasn’t affected? if the shock wave was so strong and heat was so strong then all the traffic lights/trees/small objects would be affected first, the windows on the WTC7 didn’t even break until the whole thing went down”
stupid people: “…….(mind freeze)… just shut up you nut”
LOL
#110 / hahcling
“People who are more willing to believe the propaganda of extremist organizations who oppose freedom, are backed by countries who censor and kill their own citizens, than believe the government of the united states.”
Are you suggesting that pilots and engineers are terrorists, and that the US does not have the death penalty? I’m pretty sure the first one is just trolling, and the second one is ridiculous.
#117 I believe
I believe you believe – everything.
You are the worst kind – a spreader.
A guy who stays at home, feeds off the net in regards to data on how the world moves and how things happen. you allow yourself to be fed “facts” from web sites where you have no idea who is writing the data, where is it taken from.
you see propaganda media and take it as fact. you would rather believe sexy mysterious conspiracies instead of the simple plain truth.
In addition, you didn’t respond to anything I said, you just said – look what these other people are saying.
How come there was live showing of the second plane?
Why would so many people band together to make this conspiracy happen?
Be real and stop copying “facts” from the web. the web is anything other then a reliable source of facts.
BTW, as far as i know, the death penalty in the US is for criminals. not for your simple civilians.
and now we add hachling @188 to the list of stupid people.
all hachling offered are pathetic arguments made by those who lack logic
why? money and power that’s why.
moron
and now we add hachling @188 to the list of stupid people.
all hachling offered are pathetic arguments made by those who lack logic
why? money and power that’s why.
lol morons
@119 and 120
I seem to be missing the content of you response. again i can ask you a simple question which you can’t seem to answer.(”money and power” ? – what are you? 3 years old)
how and why can so many people come together and plan to kill so many of their fellow countrymen? how is it that the second plane was shone live on several stations.
“money and power” – that’s your answer?
I bet you are probably some bored 15 year old staying at home.
you should get out more.
@115 is a jews!
@122 setan – it was my nose that gave me in, wasn’t it?
You can see this one streaming here: http://www.esoterictube.com/zero-an-investigation-into-911.html
It’s pretty good.
blah blah, i bet you’re a 3 yr old slamming keys randomly while your mum changes your diaper, blah blah
yawn, cut the lame act and bring some proper arguments to the table, not 3yrs old questions like “why is people bad? why people do bad things?”
if you want to act like a know-it-all, explain why WTC7 went down.
oh wait, you can’t? then S-T-F-U and stop pretending you already have an answer.
Government was in on it….
less talky more linky.
more shameless profiteering from leftist ‘truther’ charlatans, & frankly disengenious to the people that died on that horrible day
@@hachling
fked if i know, I am not the guy who started this mess.
you asked the wrong question to the wrong person, and you’re proud?
why do people have wars? why do we have criminals? why do we have prisons?
pfft, wake up and face reality.
your question:”how is it that the second plane was shone live on several stations.”
what? what are you on about? if someone filmed it then it’d be shown live
it’s shown live, so? and? your point?
if you want to massage your own ego by acting like a smartarse online, atleast construct an argument that has a logical ground.
throwing random lame questions mix with kintergarden insults doesn’t cut it, not here on rlslog.
this is sad, so many flaws in the offical story and all hachling can come up with is “why would small group of people kill many people”
here is a flash, it has always been like this in human history
hachling, wake up and face reality
here is hachling’s logic:
a plane was shown live on tv, therefor the government had nothing to do with 911.
brilliant!
for those who’ve been wondering who is stupid enough to vote for bush twice and still thinks he’s right.
hachling is your answer.
Hey abc the NUMBNUTS, I would say that people who work with these items on a DAILY FREAKIN BASIS are experts, not some dope smoking jackarse who sits behind a keyboard and believes that there are some big mysterious cabals that are out to get them.
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zysterx the ONLY thing that is absurd is some know nothing like you trying to imply that you know more then the film experts at Kodak, a company that has been dealing with film since before you were a thought in your daddy’s fantasy about your momma.
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Then Kreotropic, you are a liar. Any Iron worker will tell you flat out that adding heat to any steel or Iron WILL cause it to soften and lose strength. How the F#$K do you think they bend these for cripes sake? They ADD HEAT you mental moron.
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And your caretaker, Don’t ignore the truth; should be slapped stupid for allowing you to neglect your education. Check with your local fire department you dumbarse…and they will tell you about large house and factory fires that blazed out of control and yet they found papers and books and so on inside the area that were not even touched. Or how about the fire from the train wreck in NY where bodies were burned so badly that they could not tell one from another, yet could identify them by dental records? ANY fire hot enough to do this kind of damage would also burn bone…ever hear of cremation? So explain how the fire could be so hot that it burned everything around it to ashes, yet left teeth for dental ID?
All of you conspiracy fruitcakes need to get a life. Experts in film-metalurgy=construction-and even the pilots of the freaking planes you have included in your f$#ked-up fantasy have all come forword and explained what happened and how it happened and in the pilots case they even explained how they came to be there…and yet you numbnuts dismiss ALL these confirmed statements and PROVEN actions (like adding heat weakens steel..and it makes no damn difference if it weakened it a little or a lot, when you have over 600 tons riding on the fact that your steel needs to be 100% strength and it is weakened to 80% or less, then it is NOT GOING TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD THE WEIGHT IT WAS DESIGNED TO HOLD and will collapse! ANY Physics instructor will document that. So educate yourselves you ignorant conspiracy morons, and then JUST MAYBE someone might take you seriously. And if you are what the Schools and Universities and Colleges are turning out these days, I fear for the future of mankind with simpletons like you in charge.
@common sense 131
everything has been explained by experts? oh really?
what was the “experts” explaination of the collaspe of WTC7?
i suppose those firefighters were all lying too then.
as someone said earlier, there are 2 different groups of “experts” calling each other liars.
NEXT!
Check out http://www.algoxy.com for info as to how the towers were taken down.
ATTENTION do not download from the links provided by user Lieu7enant (post 2) as I believe he is trying to steal your rapidshare password. Ther links go to an address other than rapidshare and even though I am already a premium member it still asks for my password etc and looks very suspicious.
The “believers” are a nasty bunch eh!!
Reading thru these socalled comments its amazing how many people argue(troll??) when clearly they havent got a f!@#ing clue about the subject matter…
…the truth seems to hurt them or their egos..then they resort to namecalling…pathetic….
common sense
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zysterx the ONLY thing that is absurd is some know nothing like you trying to imply that you know more then the film experts at Kodak, a company that has been dealing with film since before you were a thought in your daddy’s fantasy about your momma.
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well apparently all you know how to do is hurl insults. deride others when they post credible information from informed professionals. people who’s very sources were the NTSB.
you call me a know nothing. what do you know sir. come-on dazzle us with your knowledge?
you say the experts at Kodak?
what do the experts at kodak say?
do they go step by step in the flight 77 path and reconstruct it according to what the NTSB itself has released?
what knowledge do they have or what evidence did they have other than that 5 frames from a gas station across the street?
please answer that if you’re so well informed?
why hasn’t the pentagone released even one excerpt from all those security cameras at the pentagon showing flight 77 slamming into their building?
and don’t say there were none…..that is just plain stupid.
you sir know how to hurl insults but that’s about all i see. someone gave the excuse it’s an on-going investigation and therefore is secret?
they found a way around that secrecy to release that absurd video from a gas station that proves nothing.
did they give Kodak the footage from their video cameras?
of course not! and you haven’t seen any either and as a matter of fact none in the public sector have.
they used the excuse of the terrorist going on trial as a reason to not release it. and that they didn’t want to hurt the families of the victims. but they released the gas station footage.
and when the trial was over—-did anyone see any footage? of course not and why? it’s been 7 years and where is the investigation? in non-existence land—that’s where.
you need to change your nic common sense cause obviously you have none.
that pilots site has the data to back up what they question. what is your source that you feel so confidant to insult those who post something other than what you say is truth?
explain how the data from the black box released by the NTSB isn’t in conflict with what the official version of what happened?
i don’t think you can. but you certainly can insult others.
which is one of the tactics already posted by someone else here that’s used against those who actually question their government’s veracity.
explain how molten steel was found in the lower levels of the towers?
when nothing in the plane or in the building or any combination of them was capable of producing it?
tell us what amazing data Kodak had access to that they said it was flight 77 that hit the pentagon.
i’d like to see the enhanced photo capabiltity they have and what the results were. i do recall seeing what they put out and brother it aint much.
now put that in comparisions of what the pilots put out from the flight recorders.
who’s more credible?
a few (oh so very few) frames of grainy video ahowing an object that appears to be a plane (and probably was) hitting the pentagon and that’s
proof it was a 757?
that is absurd!
insult us some more with your oh-so erudite knowledge
@131 common sense
Hey i didn’t call any name to anyone!!!
I can tell you’re an american just by reading your comment!!!( not to all of you i know there’s good people there )
Do you want to teach me my work??? I’ve been studying this shi*** for some years…but you’re the expert ok?? and the mental moron too…
This is how we evolve asking questions, not beliving in all that is said, critical thinking!!!
Some of us just don’t want to think…its too hard…
Another thing we have all to agree is that if it wasn’t a inside job then american security is by far not what they make us think it is!!! was NORAD sleeping that day???mmmmmmmmmm funny lol
I love to exchange ideas!!! Its a petty that some think they are masters of the truth and just want to call names to everyone and be STUPID!!
Keep the comments coming but please respect everyone that thinks diferently from you!! BE HUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
common sense:
“and yet you numbnuts dismiss ALL these confirmed statements and PROVEN actions (like adding heat weakens steel..and it makes no damn difference if it weakened it a little or a lot, when you have over 600 tons riding on the fact that your steel needs to be 100% strength and it is weakened to 80% or less, then it is NOT GOING TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD THE WEIGHT IT WAS DESIGNED TO HOLD and will collapse! ANY Physics instructor will document that. So educate yourselves you ignorant conspiracy morons, and then JUST MAYBE someone might take you seriously. And if you are what the Schools and Universities and Colleges are turning out these days, I fear for the future of mankind with simpletons like you in charge.”
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thank you for the physics lesson.
i personally have not formulated an opinion on the towers collapse. what you say about the heat causing the steel to weaken sufficiently that it’s load bearing capabilites being weakened and then to fail and drop pancaking all the floors below it from the weight is perfectly logical and i don’t dispute it in the least.
the puffs coming from the floors is consistent with the air and weight pressures. cannot dispute that either. i don’t know if there were demolitions involved that dropped the towers.
but this i do know….
what does physics say about creating molten steel with temperatures less than it takes to cause it?
is that possible?
i’ve yet to hear any of the experts address how the molten steel could have been present without some outside force.
the plane and the fuel could not cause it. nothing in the building could have generated the heat required. so how did the molten steel get there?
if you can explain that i will call you a physics god.
until then your post remind me of something from MacBeth
“a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
@131 common sense:
hey idiot, we can tell just from your text you are the typical american that has less IQ than an ape.
i know about idiots, i can look at a bunch of people and immediatly I can spot the idiots from the rest. yes that’s right, i am the FRIGGIN EXPERT on idiots.
and let me tell you, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
what that means is you have no ability to think, you will buy, believe, defend and REPEAT any sort of bullshiit, as long as it’s on main stream tv you’ll be tame and greatful while the rest of us shove bull shiit down your gasping maw.
yes that’s right, you’ll be fooled and you will be proud
#118 / hachling
“In addition, you didn’t respond to anything I said, you just said – look what these other people are saying.
How come there was live showing of the second plane?”
Well that’s ironic, because you didn’t respond to anything I said either. I asked how Bush could have seen the first plane hit the tower, if there was no live footage of it happening, and the only footage of it at all didn’t appear to the following day. Are you disputing that he made that claim? Youtube would disagree with you.
#120 / hachling
“how and why can so many people come together and plan to kill so many of their fellow countrymen? how is it that the second plane was shone live on several stations.”
What? Bush and his admin wouldn’t kill US citizens just for money and power? What do you call the war in Iraq moron? Or are you one of those 2 braincelled Neanderthals that actually believes that Saddam had WMDs? It wouldn’t surprise me. After all, you believe what your government tells you, don’t you.
And what does the second plane being shown live prove? Nobody is disputing whether their was a second plane. The dispute is whether a plane could bring down a tower that’s designed to withstand such an impact; not once, but twice.
hachling, what is that anyway? Is that like hatchling? As in “born yesterday”?
lol these american are so brainwashed they’ll react to the slightest hint of truth going their way
appareantly americans are allergic to logic
not that i am complaining, i’d love to watch americans burn and die and we need professional morons to make that happen
lol these americans are so brainwashed they’ll react to the slightest hint of truth going their way
appareantly americans are allergic to logic
not that i am complaining, i’d love to watch americans burn and die and we need professional morons to make that happen
lol these brain dead americans suffer from a rare type of genetic defects
like some color blind person they’ll swear grass has the same color as the sky when it’s obvious to the rest of us.
don’t get too worked up over it, it’s not that they’re lying on purpose, they’re just genetically not capable of processing a certain set of information.
#135 / george
“The “believers” are a nasty bunch eh!!
Reading thru these socalled comments its amazing how many people argue(troll??) when clearly they havent got a f!@#ing clue about the subject matter…
…the truth seems to hurt them or their egos..then they resort to namecalling…pathetic….”
Well if that’s not the pot calling the kettle black… Try posting an argument rather than insults. Try explaining how bush was able to see the first plane hit the Nth tower live, as he claimed to, when there was no live footage of that. He obviously knew it was going to happen. Why else would he have been looking at a TV monitor of the WTC prior to the first plane hitting if he wasn’t expecting it?
I only got through about 38 comments before giving up, thanks for the file, and thanks for continued Rapidshare support (maybe next year when my account is up I’ll look to another provider, but RS is good for now).
w/re to ‘The Two Towers’, we have an asbestos filled, sick building, not up to accessibility code, that has a steel structure. It burns with a yellow flame for a few hours then collapses. Yellow flame is good for campfires, but won’t structurally compromise a steel structure. This kicked up so much crap into the air that the toll on the local populace won’t be known for decades.
Sure it put Florida to rest and paved the way for the populace to readily give up personal freedoms, but the pain it has caused, felt globally, is beyond criminal.
orly are you really that stupid or are you trying really hard? Tell me you mental midget, you have something that falls on you from 80 stories in the air adn weighs well over 60 tons. Are YOU going to now say that it is not going to cause damage to the object it hits? Hmmm, maybe then we should tell the people at Tugunsta that the trees should not be laying down for over 30 miles in every direction as the weight and blast wave could not do what it did. And let us tell the historians that the Chicago Fire and the earthquakes in LA and in Alaska should not be able to knock down buildings or shear off metal all because you numbnuts say it cannot and that metal sheared off can only be caused by an explosion. As I said before my MOS in the military was explosives and DOD and I have delt with these for over 30 Freaking years and have forgot more about explosives then you brain dead jerkoffs will ever so DONT TRY and tell me about explosives and what it can and cannot do child. When you get 30 years of dealing with them THEN we can talk.
As for this stupid arsed statement of Bush seeing the plane hit the tower live, ever hear of repeats on film that CNN and Fox and MSNBC and others do every fricking day?? I have seen CNN broadcast the same damn film with the caption “live” plastered on it, yet they have shown the same film every 15 mihnutes for the last 2 hours. EVERY news channel has done this, even the BBC and Alquida central.
Jeeze you stupid arses, use your freaking brains for something other then to cover the empty spaces between your ears. And you have to wonder just WHY every person out there except for you reality challenged morons; does not believe a word you are saying. It all comes down to a single point..either every one else in the fricking world is lying, or you conspiracy morons are.
Wanna guess who we are going to believe? “Hint” It AINT YOU!
#145
Pot /kettle?? No one was referring to you…..
Your Q re. bush….??
who cares!rather focus your efforts on wtc7, thermite, molten metal, the explosions during the evacuation…etc
“Your Q re. bush….??
who cares!”
What do you mean, “who cares”? The president had a slip of the tongue which clearly indicates that he had prior knowledge of the attacks, and you ask “who cares”? Clearly the bush administration was lying when it claimed it had no prior warnings over 911. “Who cares” is hardly and appropriate reaction to that revelation.
#147 / common sense
“As for this stupid arsed statement of Bush seeing the plane hit the tower live, ever hear of repeats on film that CNN and Fox and MSNBC and others do every fricking day??”
You appear to be missing the point. Bush claims he saw this while he was waiting to go into the classroom. He was in the classroom when the second plane hit the Sth tower. The only plane he could have seen hit anything prior to going into the classroom was the first plane, as it was the only one at that stage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCtb9nlV_20
Bush is quite clear, he saw the plane hit the tower “before” he went into the classroom, which is “before” the second plane hit the tower.
Lieu7enant’s post (#2) is a rapidpass stealer, don’t use his links.
Megashare linkages?
Megashares linkages?
Popular Mechanics can suck on my balls.
lol now this “common sense” mor0n claims WTC7 was knocked down by debris from WTC1/2
@common sense 147
hey moron, learn to read between the lines, I asked u to explain why WTC7 went down coz you claimed “experts” already explained everything
and what was your asnwer? —> “”"”"Are YOU going to now say that it is not going to cause damage to the object it hits?”"”"”"
what are u stupid? i asked a simple question, keep the fck quiet if you don’t have an answer
“causing damage” is one thing, having the whole WTC7 fall down demolition style is another, if something hit wtc7 it’ll take a chunk off wtc7 from the top or the side, it won’t cause near perfect destruction at free fall speed.
That’s why there is a demolition business, you don’t destory buildings just by throwing crap at it, a slight miss calculation is enough to cause a build to fall to the side and damage nearby structures.
you don’t know this and you claim to be an expert? FU#%CK 0FF
wtc7 didn’t lose a chunk of materal, didn’t have corners broken off, it wasn’t knocked down or knocked sideway,
the whole building fell straight into dust at free fall speed, starting from the ground level
what kind of magic debris will make a building fall down demolition style?
if you can’t explain what happened on WTC7, ST-F-U
nobody gives a rat’s arse how important you think you are,
if your explaination S-ucks, you S-uck
lol now this “common sense” mor0n claims WTC7 was knocked down by debris from WTC1/2
@common sense 147
hey moron, learn to read between the lines, I asked u to explain why WTC7 went down coz you claimed “experts” already explained everything
and what was your asnwer? —> “”"”"Are YOU going to now say that it is not going to cause damage to the object it hits?”"”"”"
what are u stupid? i asked a simple question, keep the f u-c k quiet if you don’t have an answer
“causing damage” is one thing, having the whole WTC7 fall down demolition style is another, if something hit wtc7 it’ll take a chunk off wtc7 from the top or the side, it won’t cause near perfect destruction at free fall speed.
That’s why there is a demolition business, you don’t destory buildings just by throwing crap at it, a slight miss calculation is enough to cause a build to fall to the side and damage nearby structures.
you don’t know this and you claim to be an expert? FU#%C K 0FF
wtc7 didn’t lose a chunk of materal, didn’t have corners broken off, it wasn’t knocked down or knocked sideway,
the whole building fell straight into dust at free fall speed, starting from the ground level
what kind of magic debris will make a building fall down demolition style?
if you can’t explain what happened on WTC7, ST-F-U
nobody gives a rat’s arse how important you think you are,
if your explaination su cks, you su ck
Sorry..should have been clearer re. “who cares…”…
I suggest you dont worry to much about this revelation…
I say this because GW “slipping up” can be easily argued away as a “genuine ” mistake, insofar as what he actually meant was the second plane he watched on
TV, as we all did….and you cant prove him incorrect…..his word against your opinion..
My other points raised previously are impossible to be “excused”….none of “opinion”…physics stands up to better scrutiny than opinion…
Can you now see why i suggest you channel your admirable efforts in other directions….??
#155 / george
“Can you now see why i suggest you channel your admirable efforts in other directions….??”
I think both areas are worthy of investigation. I’m not disagreeing with any of the theories regarding molten steel. I’m simply supporting them with bush’s own comments, that clearly indicate he saw the first plane hit. He’s quite specific about where he was, and we know that when he was where he claimed to be, the only tower that was hit by a plane was the first one.
The molten steel is another dead give away. There’s no doubts that it was there, and yet there’s no explanation from anyone who supports the official story as to how it got there.
Clearly, when the result contains parameters that can only be realised through a limited number of causes, then all other causes must logically be eliminated. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, so something else must have caused this.
If you eliminate the impossible, then what ever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. The existence of molten steel (not to mention fires that burned for weeks) eliminates jet fuel as a possibility. So what’s left?
@I believe
let me guess, the fukwits that insist the jet fuel caused everything will just ignore you
they lack the capability to think beyond the obvious, when the obvious explaination is flawed and is challenged by facts their pea sized brains shut down
to all you fukwits out there, here is a question for ya:
“if the steel was weaken by heat that is too hot for jet fuel to generate. what else could be heating the steel?”
i know your answer is still going to be “jet fuel”, because you guys are re_tar_ds.
this “common sense” guy is clearly a fake.
WTC7 crumbled starting from the first floor.
and somehow this self proclaimed “30 years demolition expert” call “common sense” thinks WTC7 fell because something dropped on top of it?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
last time I check, we’re not talking about smart bombs here. so if something drops on top of a building, the top floor gets damaged first, not the ground floor.
a “30 years demolition expert” trying to reverse physics online?
LAME
if “common sense” is a 30 years expert then I am the president.
this “common sense” guy is clearly a fake.
WTC7 crumbled starting from the first floor.
and somehow this self proclaimed “30 years demolition expert” call “common sense” thinks WTC7 fell because something dropped on top of it?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
last time I check, we’re not talking about smart bombs here. so if something drops on top of a building, the top floor gets damaged first, not the ground floor.
a “30 years demolition expert” trying to reverse physics online?
L.A.M.E
if “common sense” is a 30 years expert then I am the president.
If common sense is indeed a demolition expert, perhaps he could explain what the key difference are between the WTC7 collapse, and a controlled demolition. Because they look pretty similar to me, and it’s not hard to find real, confirmed demolition experts that say it is a controlled demolition.
So, why are the confirmed demolition experts wrong? What are they missing? There’s obviously something you’ve spotted that these other experts haven’t, which indicates that damage to the exterior of the building caused the collapse, so what is it?
WOW
there’s obviously still a lot of confusion about this topic.
I guess everybody who has watched movies like this, loose Change and others will know by now that the “official” story that we have been fed through the media is complete BS – as was the 9/11 commission report.
It’s sad that even 7 years later our legislation still shows no interest in discovering the actual truth and that worries me. Every year that passes wihtout the bush administration confessing that 9/11 didn’t quite happen the way they told us only further strengthens the possibility of an inside job.
If the gov. would NOT know the truth there would still be an ongoing investigation. The fact that from the official side there is NO investigation any more + that they are still sticking to that completely ridiculous story worries me.
It will probably take another 10-15 years before the real story about 9/11 is published – I’ll be here waiting…
well after all that it turns out you wouldn’t be watching that movie anyway
cause it’s fake
it’s a nicholas cage movie
lol
I tried to watch this with all the willingness in my mind to shun off “Conspiracy Theories”… BUT i cannot say no to science!!! I am not retarted
science is in my opinion more true that the Bush Administration, and those of you who find this ridiculous are hypocrites.
So…No links!!!????
Megaupload would be great!!!
If common sense is indeed a demolition expert, perhaps he could explain what the key difference are between the WTC7 collapse, and a controlled demolition. Because they look pretty similar to me, and it’s not hard to find real, confirmed demolition experts that say it is a controlled demolition.
So, why are the confirmed demolition experts wrong? What are they missing? There’s obviously something you’ve spotted that these other experts haven’t, which indicates that damage to the exterior of the building caused the collapse, so what is it?
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Simple. The “explosions” you see are NOT controlled and are nothing more then a build up of air pressure from the collapsing parts of the upper towers. If you will watch this in slow mo, you will see that at best you only have maybe 10 floors between the windows being blown out to weak or worn seals on same and the collapsing floors. To show you what I mean place your hand on a flat surface. Now Take a fan and hold it above your hand and then slam it down at your hand stopping short of hitting it. Feel the pressure? That is the Air displacement of the fan forcing the air down on your skin. Same thing happens in a collapse, you have all the weight following the law of gravity and air, like water; will seek the weakest point to escape. In an explosion, you would have not only the weak windows being blown out, but EVERY FRICKING OTHER ONE AROUND IT AS WELL!! That mean instead of one window, you would have 10 to 20 wondows being blow out at the dame time due to the concussion blast. That alone proves that this was NOT done with explosives.
And your WTC 7? PUH-LEAZE… you CANNOT be that obtuse. Let me place you within half a block of a collapse like this and then after it is over and we dig you out, you then can tell us if you were hit with any falling metal or concrete or steel. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that you take 60 tons of building material and drop it due to a collapse, and EVERYTHING within a 4 block radius of this is going to get hammered, hence the buildings that were two blocks away that received structure damage and the concussion wave from the collapse blowing out windows 15 blocks away and knocking people down 8 blocks away.
I just have to wonder about the mentality of some of these posters who believe that 2 billion people in the world are wrong, and less then 10,000 are the only ones that “know the truth” Do they even begin to think of how conceited and thick headed that is? You have well over 1000 experts saying it did happen from the planes hitting, for every one that says it did not. Even the lying jerks from Lose Change had to change the film when it was shown by scientific evidence that they were lying at worst and misleading at best (the lie that no telephone calls could have been made from the planes at that altitude, when they had been making calls from planes for over six years BEFORE 9-11, is one lie that comes to mind) yet you have morons that would rather believe this kind of BS then the truth.
The “gub’ment did it” crowd here just clearly shows that the vast majority of these twits are kids who still live at home with their parents and never had to face reality, and if something does not fit their warped view…then it could not possibly be real. And what do you want to bet they still think that the Tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny are real and that Santa climbs down their chimney every year? They need to pack the computer back up and return it to the store as they are too damn stupid to even own one.
if you want know the real story and get smart well its not onley inside job by bush criminal goverment no man do not forgite jews israeli mosad secret service had the biggest hand in that dirty job …why there are more reasons than you think they are the onley people who winned by killing more than 3000 american inesent in two towers they winned many many things by doing 11/9 so for more truth if you do not want to keep stupid go to http://www.prothink.org and see more reality that can shock you about jews and zionist and more inside job stuffs and for sure 11/9 see a film called missing links in prothink.org and open yours eyes its now or never kind smart people of america who want teh real change of a devil rooooooooooling since long time your country
Kreotropic
apparently you missed it but it’s not the films listed
it’s a nicholas cage movie
or am i the only one to get it downloaded instead?
or am i the only one to actually start to watch it?
that’s sort of funny if you think about it?
implacable positions without even viewing what they’d said
LOL
this “common sense” guy is funny, fcked in the head but funny none the less
soon you’ll see him claim to be a 30 years time travel expert explaining how BBC/CNN reported WTC7 collapsed 20 minutes before it actually happened
glad to see this type of material posted…
@ i believe
first of all i want to apologize for insulting you i shouldn’t have.
second, i my nick is indeed from “hatchling” since i always feel like i have a lot to learn.
but, to the point, i only made a couple of points:
1. in order for this conspiracy to be true, hundreds if not thousands of people needed to be involved. this is impossible.
2. the live footage of the second plane means that either the broadcasting networks were also involved and faked the footage (unlikely) or that the footage is real but was not the cause for the collapse (also unlikely).
3. No building is designed to sustain the impact of a passenger plane, it’s simple, why should it be? it doesn’t happen so often that it’s worth the money to build a building which can stand to that kind of impact.
4. you take a small point in the story like WTC7, the time George bush said what and base a whole theory on it to explain the entire event.
5. Everyone who is pro conspiracy keeps posting this site or that site. all these site are propaganda sites with unknown people saying that the FBI said this or that. No official or recognizable person appears in these films.
i have more to say but i don’t think there is actually a point.
When you all are done with this 9/11 case, try thinking the bigger picture. I would strongly recommend watching all that dudes videos in youtube http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AlienScientist&view=videos
but be adviced, those wideos requires some basics knolegde of physics and electronics, so that one might get even I slight idea what that “scientist” is talking about.
lmao, “common sense” is acting like an expert when the fcking OWNER OF WTC7 already proved him wrong.
Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC buildings, admits that WTC building 7 was pulled:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6455428412411043437
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9b4D-aO3zY
OOPS, so much for “30 years expert”
poor little “experts” can’t think outside his little box
http://killtown.911review.org/wtc7.html
Silverstein: “and I said…’maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it’…and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”
“Silverstein signed a 99-year lease for the twin towers just six weeks before the attack.”
“…Insurers is set to pay around $861 million to Silverstein for the lost building…debt on the property is around $383 million…”
“Silverstein is reported in some quarters to have spent as much as $200 million on lawyers, as he pursues demands for as much as $7 billion from his insurers.”
“The [WTC 7's] fire alarm system was placed on TEST for a period of 8 h beginning at 6:47:03 a.m. on September 11, 2001… any alarms that are received from the system are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored.”
oh wait!
what if THE OWNER was wrong because some “expert” on rlslog thinks he knows more than the owner about what happened to HIS OWN FCKING BUILDING?
LMFAO
this is classic
@hachling
oh so humble now? what you finally took your meds? maybe now we can drop the insult bs and point straight to your errors.
“2. the live footage of the second plane means that either the broadcasting networks were also involved and faked the footage (unlikely) or that the footage is real but was not the cause for the collapse (also unlikely).”
here’s where you’re wrong, just because the footage is real it doesn’t automatically mean it’s the cause of the collapse. you got a major logic error right there.
or, if you’re so logical, why don’t you explain the cause of molten steel? the plane had nothing that could burn hot enough to melt steel
(note they keyword MELT, not weaken, not soften, not bend, but MELT, look it up if you don’t understand what MELT means)
November 28th, 2008 | 21:02
@ i believe
first of all i want to apologize for insulting you i shouldn’t have.
second, i my nick is indeed from “hatchling” since i always feel like i have a lot to learn.
but, to the point, i only made a couple of points:
1. in order for this conspiracy to be true, hundreds if not thousands of people needed to be involved. this is impossible.
3. No building is designed to sustain the impact of a passenger plane, it’s simple, why should it be? it doesn’t happen so often that it’s worth the money to build a building which can stand to that kind of impact.
4. you take a small point in the story like WTC7, the time George bush said what and base a whole theory on it to explain the entire event.
5. Everyone who is pro conspiracy keeps posting this site or that site. all these site are propaganda sites with unknown people saying that the FBI said this or that. No official or recognizable person appears in these films.
i have more to say but i don’t think there is actually a point.
156 mm
that’s correct, and the “fuk wits” as you put it,
ignore the facts there wouldn’t be much jet fuel left after the initial explosion, and what’s left wouldn’t last more than 10 minutes, the rest is just normal fire
there’s just no way the jet fuel caused the melting of the steel. this is a scientific proven FACT.
FFS, the engine is made of steel
#174
not humble, just trying to get back to polite conversation (again).
if you see my second point – i do refer to the assumption that the collapse wasn’t caused by the plane crash by saying it is unlikely. the fuel they use for flight is highly combustible and reaches a very high temperature. i admit that i am not an avionic expert or a physicist but i guess it is a safe assumption you are neither as well. i have a hard time understanding how you reach your conclusions. the simple scenario was that a plane (quite a big one actually) crashed in each of the towers. i assume that this caused the towers to collapse after some time when enough collateral damage was done to the building from the actual impact and the heat inside the elevator shafts etc. you assume it had to be something else because…well just because. and all my other points are left yet again sadly ignored.
#164 / common sense
What a load of cr@P. Compare the demolition of WTC7 with that of other know demolitions. These thing you say we see that we should, well they’re in the known demolitions as well.
Then of course there’s Larry Silverstein admission that the building was demolished. I suppose he’s lying too?
I think it’s fairly safe to say, you’re not nearly the expert you make yourself out to be.
#176 / hachling
“you assume it had to be something else because…well just because. and all my other points are left yet again sadly ignored.”
Just because? And then you make claims of ignorance. You haven’t even tried to explain the presence of molten steel the WTC, which jet fuel will not burn nearly hot enough to create. When you can explain that, then you’ll be in a position to call other ignorant without looking like a hypocrite.
As planes hitting the towers alone will not create molten steel, there must be another cause.
I believe, your statements ARE a load of cr@P.
It’s fairly safe to say that I have over 25,000 demolitions experts worldwide that agree with me on this, and you have what? One pathetic twit that almost got someone killed becuase he overloaded the blast hole and now the only people that will work with him are low pay cut rate “shadies” that cut corners in their construction and demolition.
“As planes hitting the towers alone will not create molten steel, there must be another cause.”
No stupid, no other cause, Metal gets hot and sparks fly as well as molten parts of it drip off. You can see this in any fricking steel mill in the country as it happens every day. Contact the US Steelworkers Unions and ask them what happens when jet fuel burns around steel, it gets hot and loses strength and thus collapses. So now I guess that the hundreds of thousands of steelworkers that will tell you this to your face are now lying because YOU say so?
THIS is the sources that you are using for an experts? How pathetic it is to be you and the best you can come up with is a discraced person who had his licenses to use explosives taken from him and only recently was able to get it back, and completely ignore steelworkers who back what I am saying and what was said by thousands of demo experts all over the world. But ALL of them are lying because you say so… So go along and play with your “moon is made out of green cheese” and the “earth is flat” friends of yours and reality will do very well without you as we dont need your stupidity and ignorance in the real world.
orly!
November 28th, 2008 | 22:00
oh wait!
what if THE OWNER was wrong because some “expert” on rlslog thinks he knows more than the owner about what happened to HIS OWN FCKING BUILDING?
LMFAO
this is classic
No Orly, YOU are a classic moron as the owner of the building went on camera and stated word for word what he said and showed the video that was taken in the room when he said it…video that has not been tampered with according to Kodak. So that either means that you and your pathetic little cabal of moronic liars are twisting his words to suit your end, or that you have just proven that you could not find your arse with both hands, a flashlight and a road map in a dark room.
what if THE OWNER never said what you say he said and can prove it but you have some moronic “comspiracy experts” on rlslog who thinks they know more than the owner about what happened to HIS OWN FCKING BUILDING? And This vodeo was shown on national TV clearly showing what the owner actually said is NOT what you conspiracy twits claim?
LMFAO
You are pathetic Orley.
176 hachling
FFS
if you saw me hitting someone with a baseball bat and that person later died, and the cops found bullet holes in the guy’s skull, and the guys at the morgue said the bat wound wasn’t severe enough to be fatal
now:
are you still going to go around telling people I killed him with a bat?
or, are you going to be the idiot that ignore the bullet hole and insist the baseball bat killed him?
#179 / common sense
“No stupid, no other cause, Metal gets hot and sparks fly as well as molten parts of it drip off.”
Excuse me? Are you suggesting that a jet fuel fire with a yellow flame will burn hot enough to melt steel? You’re kidding right? Is that why you spend most of you posts throwing insults? Because your arguments are based on rubbish?
There is something wrong with you people
Two pages of this s**t
Go And Buy A Life
Wait. You’re absolutely correct In the Water. I take back what I’ve said. I am the pathetic, angry moron that I claim everyone else is. I’m obviously very sad since I have to argue in abusive terms rather than having an adult discussion. I just need to get over myself and grow a pair. I’ve been lying to everyone for so long that only my mirror is reflecting the truth, and what I see in it is disturbing. I apologize to everyone for showing my v@gina on the internet.
I believe,
my point is that i don’t need to explain anything related to molten steel simply because you want me to. for some reason you say this is a fact or that is a fact. why? because you say so? if you say that it’s a fact that the sky is green doesn’t necessarily make it so. i have no idea where you came up with these “facts” that you so want me to disprove.
also, #181, when you use a story to make a point is only because you can’t use the facts of the case to prove the same point. the holes is your story are there were never bullet holes found by anyone, only claimed to be found by people on the net.
i know i can’t persuade you of my point. at least you won’t admit it here. i at least hope that the next time someone tries to convince you of some crap by saying “the FBI didn’t deny this”, some agent said that, how can you explain this, without actually explaining his theory or bringing facts of his own, you will use your head and not take it as an absolute truth.
check this out:
http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4461380/Alex_Jones_caller_disagrees.4461380.TPB.torrent
#185 / hachling
Well, steel melts at around 2500 deg F.
http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
The 911 official report says that the core temp of the fire was much lower than that. There was molten steel in the debris. Work it out logically.
“when you use a story to make a point”
It wasn’t a story, it was an analogy. Huge difference there.
“i know i can’t persuade you of my point.”
You have a point? I would hardly call ignoring the fact that don’t support your theory “making a point”.
#187
actually, the official report doesn’t mention the core temperature of the fire, look it up in the official report, i did just to make sure.
You always keep getting back to the same bogus fact and not respond to all the other points i mentioned. you build a whole theory on a basis of a bogus fact and things you can’t explain. but you don’t have any proof or facts supporting your theory. nothing at all.
#188 / born yesterday
“actually, the official report doesn’t mention the core temperature of the fire, look it up in the official report, i did just to make sure.”
It most certainly did. You’re making this up as you go now. Do you know how silly is sounds to suggest a report which concludes that the WTC came down as a result of fire would not give any indications of how hot that fire was. So even though they don’t know how hot the fire was (according to you), you’re satisfied they know it was hot enough to weaken steel? Give me a break.
Good documentary film promotes discussion – I think the Zero Investigation delivered, no matter how controversial the topic at hand.
Surprisingly good documentary about the hole in the ground.
#188
look it up yourself ans we will see who is making what up.
give me a quote. i have the report open in front of me.
show me where they say anything about the temp’ of the fire core fire or anything about the molten steel.
The most fascinating are people arguing on the internet, on a website full of pirates. ^^
I don’t believe in the official theory of neither 9/11 nor JFK. But I’m not going to spend my time trying to prove the provocating, ignorant, lazy, apathetic *********** of RLSLOG wrong, because what an idiot believes, is completely irrelevant, ’cause he’s still an idiot.
On-Topic: Interesting movie, good audio and video.
I fail to see how a report that claims to show that the temperature of the fire weakened the steel without first showing what the temperature of the fire actually was could have any credibility at all.
I believe
November 29th, 2008 | 12:20
I fail to see how a report that claims to show that the temperature of the fire weakened the steel without first showing what the temperature of the fire actually was could have any credibility at all.
And that is why none of you claiming it did not happen like this have any credibility in the first place. ANYONE that works with steel knows that to first bend it or shape it, you MUST HEAT IT TO MAKE IT SOFTEN IE WEAKEN IT!!! Your basic shop teacher in High school and trade schools knows this. Any Auto worker or welder knows this. Any metal worker knows this. Any metalurgy degreed person knows this and you obviously dont. The maximum burning temp of jet fuel is 980 °C (1796 °F) Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F). so moron, that means that the temps in this building where the planes hit, reached a temp of 800 or 900 degrees BELOW MELTIN POINT. Did you conspiracy nuts catch that? At this temp, the metal WAS in a weakened state and as such it COULD NOT have had the strength to hold up a section of the building that it was made to hold at full strength. Like a house of cards, when you remove one of the middle or bottom cards, the whole thing collapses as the support that was there is no longer there. That I believe, is basic physics 101, something you should have learned in middle school in your science classes.
And that is why not one of you conspiracy nutcases who say that this was done with controlled explosions have ANY credibility in any way as nature and reality all say you are full of crap! And you also seemingly are ignoring the thousands of people who actually saw the planes hit the towers and the Pentagon, as well as CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS and a host of others who also saw it and showed video to prove it…are all liars because you say so?
Are you listening to yourselves?!!?
#193 i believe
so now the report you are basing your facts on is not relevant anymore because it doesn’t suit your needs?
BTW,next time there is a terror attack i will make sure they will stick a thermometer in there so you can have the exact temp.
#194 / common sense
“a temp of 800 or 900 degrees BELOW MELTIN POINT.”
I agree completely, a jet fuel fire is not hot enough to melt steel.
You realise that proves that the molten steel could not have been cause by the fire, and therefore there must have been another accelerant, don’t you? You’ve just proved the point us so called conspiracy nuts have been making. So who’s the moron?
#195 / born yesterday
“so now the report you are basing your facts on is not relevant anymore because it doesn’t suit your needs?”
I didn’t say that. I said if what you’re saying is true, the report wouldn’t have any credibility, yet you’re still saying it does. Either way, it proves your wrong.
about fck faces:
there are atleast 2 major contradicting versions of what happened on 911, one made by giant cooperations, the government and the military
the other one made by statements from policeman and firefighters who were there to save lives and studies from professionals who weren’t on main stream media for the money.
when these fck faces label people who question the government as “conspiracy nuts thinking the super-rich and powerful is lying”,
They’re actually also labeling the policeman and firefighters who where there not for the money but to save lives as some sort of stupi_d lying fcks.
it is the “expert symdrom”, talk to ANY fat, ugly no-life insecure experts of any field and immediatly you’ll get this attitude where these fck face thinks it’s their job to constantly remind they’re smarter than everyone else and their job is to educate and insult anyone who knew less than they do in the field.
Their head is so far up their arse they can’t tell the difference between logical and illogical when the situation doesn’t boost their ego.
These insecure, ignorant and arrogant small-d1ck know-it-all “experts” with no life and inflated egos create their own little reality to pretend being better than everyone else, and when people start to question their little happy place with basic logic they become afraid and have this knee-jerk reaction to defend their ego with more BS.
These are the same type of know-it-all “experts” who:
1. made reports claiming JFK was killed by a lone gunman who shot and reloaded 3 times within seconds from a location that had no possible line of sight.
2. made diagrams and pretty powerpoint presentations to “prove” there was WMD in iraq.
3. made pretty little graphs with numbers of studies, theories and formulas while running the financial system to the ground.
These fck faces never, and i mean NEVER admit they MAYBE wrong, until it’s too fcking late, or not even then.
This insecure fck face self proclaimed expert called “common sense” gets on this site, put on his little “know-it-all” attitude and decided to educate the mass about the obvious fact that “heat weaken steel”, he chants “heat weaken steel” like it’s the answer to everything, a religion that’s the meaning of his pathetic little life.
Now to the fck face “common sense” self-proclaimed “expert” on rlslog:
##
LISTEN FCK FACE, just because you spent most of your pathetic little live studying a piece of sh1t in a cave doesn’t give you the right to ignore logic and reality while still pretending to be the “expert”
Heat weaken steel… Heat weaken steel… Heat weaken steel…
OMFG OH SH1T REALLY? fck, thank you CAPTAIN OBVIOUS, we’re glad you spent 30 years to figure that out for us. coz WE DID’T FCKING ALREADY KNOW THAT.
now flip to the next page of your little happy place comic book that sates the fact:
in all the history of high-rise fires, none had ever resulted in a collapse
In 1975 the North tower was burned for 3 hours and no damaged was caused to the steel. somehow WTC1/2 burned for about an hour and the steel melted? and still melted after 6 weeks?
!!!!!
This fck face “common sense” also thrown numbers around and claim debris shockwave of WTC1 collasped WTC7.
HELLO fck face, WTC6 stood directly between WTC1 and WTC7 and absorbed most of the damage.
WTC6 stood for months after and WTC7 collasped within hours?
HELLO? ARE YOU THAT FCKING STUPID?
!!!!!
“common sense” the “know-it-all expert”:
You are a moron who thinks you already know it all that’s why you can’t think outside the box, you’re the same type of moron who goto cinemas and point to screen and announce “there’s no edvidence to suggest there is a camera involved in this movie, because I didn’t see any cameras”
While you’re still flooding your own brain with hormones thinking you’re smarter than everyone with all the answers, lets see you answer the question you’ve been avoiding:
*** *** Why was there molten steel at ground zero after 6 weeks?*** ***
Dispite the WTC rubble being pumped with constant jet of water for weeks? Why did firefighters describe a “foundry” of molten steel at Ground Zero?
According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” New York firefighters later recall in a documentary film, “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.”
Despite the WTC rubble being pumped with an almost constant jet of water, eventually totaling thousands of gallons, almost 12 weeks after 9/11 at least one fire is still burning, making it the longest-burning structural fire in history.
as for the video, show me the link to the report from KODAK
and after you’ve answered the above we can also start looking into other “miracles” like:
1. Why was the ground of WTC6 blown from inside out and up?
2. How did passport of the “hijacker” survive the impact, explosion and inferno in unscratched condition and be “found” by officials? when everything else incinerated and melted?
3. Why did the Federal Government and Controlled Demolition quickly started to remove evidence from the WTC?
4. Why did they started sending the evidence to India and China for melting within days?
5. Who authorized “power down” of WTC the weekend before 911 and disabled most of the securities and cameras?
6. Why there weren’t any passengers in the subway under WTC?
7. Who ordered bomb sniffing dogs to leave WTC a week prior to 911?
8. What were the “workmen with large tool boxes” installing at WTC the weekend before 911?
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the list goes on, but let’s not get distracted, you’re the “EXPERT” of demolition/fire or whatever the fck you are pretending to be here
Sorry Orly, I know quite a damn bit more then you so I guess in your case and the case of the conspiracy fruitcakes that are posting here, that does indeed make me a “know-it-all expert”
The only morons I see here are the people like you who when faced with facts that destroy the argument they use, this is how they react and claim that the people that have been doing this all their lives and have PhD’s and other College Degres in these fields are somehow wrong because YOU say so.
according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again, the NITS is the National Institute for Trasportation Safety. These are the people called in to re-enact plane accidents for the National Transportation Admin. And isnt it strange that they debunk you as well and call you a liar. But according to you and the other conspiracy fruitcakes here, they as well as the BATF-NYC Fire Depart-NYC Government-DOJ-US Pentagon and over 2,500,000 other experts in the fields all around the world are all wrong and only you conspiracy fruits are right.
really? Hmmm, then I guess the coal fire below Centralia PA has somehow escaped your notice? I mean it has only been burning for FOURTY SIX FRICKING YEARS!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania
“as for the video, show me the link to the report from KODAK”
if you would have read the report from the DOJ and the article in Popular mechanics, you would have seen your link.
And I guess these people are liars as well, with one being an eye witness to the plane flying over the freeway and hitting the pentagon
“Lee Evey
“The plane approached the Pentagon about 6 feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building,” said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon,s ongoing billion-dollar renovation.
Sgt. William Lagasse
“and struck a trailer used to store construction equipment for the renovation of the Pentagon”
Assit. Chief Belvoir F.D. Russell “Rusty Dodge Jr.
“construction trailer which was producing some severe fires and subsequent mini-explosions due to highly flammable chemicals in it”
You conspiracy fruitcases are Fckin morons and the sad reality is that even IF Bin Laden came to you in person and TOLD you to your faces that he planned all of this and paid for it with his billions from his part of his family’s oil field monies just like he financed the Taliban, you would more then likely call him a liar as well as this does not fit into your pathetic “Hate America” ideals.
So shut your mough and increase the intelligence level of this site by a factor of 1000% as a more stupid person then you will be very difficult to find.
Did I just quote someone saying that a commercial jetliner was flying about 6 feet off of the ground (look out for that freeway full of cars! just missed ‘em!), while traveling hundreds of miles per hour, and merely clipped a car antenna? Perhaps that doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless that antenna were at least 10 feet tall, and being clipped by the belly(?) of the plane? I mean, this witness had the time to recognize a car antenna being clipped while this plane was traveling at such a rate of speed and crashing into the Pentagon? Clipped by what? Maybe this witness is not so credible, after all. Oops…
#203 / common sense
“according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again”
Well, he says that it’s aluminum
“The droplets on the outside of the center of the fall seem to be the color of aluminum siding to me.. As I said, the evidence points to it being aluminum.”
Aluminum doesn’t glow red when molten, it glows white. For a debunking, the word “assuming” appears a lot in that link. Nice try though.
You know how I know there is no conspiracy?
Because the same people who call GW Bush a moron are the same people accusing him of being an evil mastermind. Nobody can contradict themselves on a regular basis like the far left wing-bats.
The real problem is that when faced with the choice of pure science and drawing convenient conclusions, these people will ignore the science every single time. When one theory is proven wrong, five more replace it with different approaches to the same rebutted argument. WC
‘You know how I know there is no conspiracy?’
I guess you’re going to tell us, This should be good for a laugh.
‘Because the same people who call GW Bush a moron are the same people accusing him of being an evil mastermind.’
Where do you see anyone calling GWB a ‘mastermind’? Yep, nowhere. Not one person on this planet actually believes that Bush is anywhere remotely capable of being considered a ‘mastermind’. Not even Bush himself (or either of his parents, including his fellow war-mongering father) believes this. So, with this firmly in your far-right ding-bat weakened grasp, your ‘knowledge’ is hereby overturned in the court of common sense. Contradict that, dumb@ss.
‘The real problem is that when faced with the choice of pure science and drawing convenient conclusions, these people will ignore the science every single time.’
That, coming from someone on the far-right side of the ‘goddies’, is just laughable. Go eat some more dinosaur turkey, butthead.
This S**T is still going on???
There is truly something in the water…
Whether you believe 9/11 was in inside job or not…
I’m sure we can all agree, our gov’t is violating the constitution every day, right now, as we chat and bicker with one another… GO OUTSIDE, LOOK AROUND YOU!
Both sides of the political spectrum, not just republicans, not just democrats… BOTH SIDES!
check it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgrLiCDvFc
lots of films and lots pg theories ..and the important thing that we all got the point that the government of bush criminal thiefs involved and they are a part of that mass crime not osama ben laden worked with cia and accepted to take the responsabitly serving his masters on that game …but do not let the media take your attention away from an very very important point that jewis and mossade the secret service of israel was teh biggist hand on 9/11 and there are many other hands involved such as THE ZIONIST who controle every disision on white house andy way there is many proof that mossad israeli men was filming that moments before the imact and all the events and they was dancing while 3000 was dieng a witness saw them filming and dancing full of joy and when they had been captured by the us police they was quitened a little bit then they been sent back to israel lol see how much zionists and the head of goverment of usa are friends lol and one of most prove that the israeli was behind that too when those men sent back to israel they said to media they were there to history the events by filming and to be sure all went fine and after that the first man of israeli goverment said that israel wone alote of what happind on 9/11 ..and alot of prove but as you know media is controled by those criminales and they show what they want to to believe ..any way for more shoking truth about those killers go to http://www.prothink and find by your self you will be astonished but that can open your eyes and take the hat of the donkey they put on your heads since looooong time ..be a smart and stop being a sheep
http://www.prothink.org
Trying to use my name 207? Sorry it wont work. Why? Because if Bush is a moron as you are claiming then that makes boyh Gore and Clinton and Carter AND Obama complete blithering idiots as Bush’s College GPA was HIGHER then all of them! Check the records dumbarse. And I give names and sites and so on that clearly destroy the fruitcakes here that whine and complain this was an inside job or that the “Gub’ment” did it.
so called “truth man” is yet anoter arsehole that does not have two brian cells to make a spark as his head is full of s^%t.
“truth man
November 30th, 2008 | 12:24
lots of films and lots pg theories ..and the important thing that we all got the point that the government of bush criminal thiefs involved and they are a part of that mass crime not osama ben laden worked with cia and accepted to take the responsabitly serving his masters on that game”
And just WHERE is your proof for this? Got links other then yet another conspiracy laden site? No? Didn’t think so.
” …but do not let the media take your attention away from an very very important point that jewis and mossade the secret service of israel was teh biggist hand on 9/11 and there are many other hands involved such as THE ZIONIST who controle every disision on white house andy way there is many proof that mossad israeli men was filming that moments before the imact and all the events and they was dancing while 3000 was dieng a witness saw them filming and dancing full of joy and when they had been captured by the us police they was quitened a little bit then they been sent back to israel lol”
Really? And where is the police officer(s) that made the arrest and why have they not come foreword and made this statement? The reason is that they do not exist and this never happened. There are sites on the web who claim the exact same thing happened, only the people doing it are Arabs and Muslums, and they are just as full of s^$t as you are.
“see how much zionists and the head of goverment of usa are friends lol and one of most prove that the israeli was behind that too when those men sent back to israel they said to media they were there to history the events by filming and to be sure all went fine and after that the first man of israeli goverment said that israel wone alote of what happind on 9/11 ..and alot of prove but as you know media is controled by those criminales and they show what they want to to believe ..any way for more shoking truth about those killers go to http://www.prothink and find by your self you will be astonished but that can open your eyes and take the hat of the donkey they put on your heads since looooong time ..be a smart and stop being a sheep”
No, YOU be smart and up your medication as if you will do some back checking, you blithering moronic arse…you will find that the owner to this site you mentioned is a Taliban Sympathiser. As such his hatred of Christians and Jews colors everything he says and as such does not make it a reputable source. So go back to your racists KKK meeting or your next “conspiracy theory” circle jerk with the rest of the conspiracy fruitcakes here and leave thehuman race in peace.
You said:
“according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again”
Yet:
Mark Lorieux, President of Controlled Demolition, Inc and Peter Tully, President of Tully Construction, has said on RECORD that they’ve witnessed molten steel on site.
AFP (American free press) asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. “Yes,” he said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.” These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.
So I guess you’re the one that’s stupid then.
ahaaaaaa common sene coool i found at last some one form liek you to say nothing but acusing peopel because they think and you and your masters such as cia or fbi or mossade or ZIONIST or bush stuff of media brainwash you do not want people to start thinking about teh truth and if they do the first stratigy is acusing them that they are idiots or taliban supporters or love conspirecy theory thats your method and zionist jwes method to turn away the attention of an truth comming out so iam not idiot if i want the truth and the truth is israel and bush criminal goverment was behind all 9/11 and again if you want to know more of that dirty inside job or zionist crime toward american and all nations go to that site that came from real pateriot american who want the real change those peopel who want justice those peopel who want freedpm from ugly greedy zionist bankers and to free us goverment from any zionist control go to http://www.prothink.org and find your reality by your self no sience fiction no lies onley truth can save you and your childrens from those mounsters they are leading you to no where but hell and war against some thing they created and called terrorists that is teh boogy man to lead you and to accept what ever they say that is how they control your fears and they by there media show them selfs that they are the one that one who gonna protect you or save you but all of that is lies there is no terrorist but a fake boogy man you american nation are serving thier agenda serving the one world order and more of control to this nations destiny so free your mind of that slavery and get out long long years of blindless in your life see the truth by your eyes search for it do not wait to hear it from your cnn or tv search and be free
You said:
“according to the NY City Fire Cheif, that is and was BS as there was NO molten steel at ground zero and here is your proof http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm and before you open your mouth and spew stupidity again”
Yet:
Mark Lorieux, President of Controlled Demolition, Inc and Peter Tully, President of Tully Construction, has said on RECORD that they’ve witnessed molten steel on site.
AFP (American free press) asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. “Yes,” he said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.” These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.
Yawn, which part of “there’s 2 party saying different things” don’t you understand?
I guess you’re the one that’s stupid_ then.
http://www.911missinglinks.com/ go and see this and change the way you look to life
Aiight, I am done playing this idiot, so I’ll just put the final nail in the coffin.
Listen fck face “common sense” the fake “know-it-all”, I never said the “conspiracy” version were all correct, I’ve already said right at the start there are 2 versions, what’s the fcking point copying and pasting one of the version like it’s something new.
I’ve researched on both side of the story, obviously there are some truth on both side and some idiots on both sides.
The only reason I even replied to you the first place is because you claimed experts already explained everything, when I know for sure they haven’t.
Knowing you’re a fake, I asked you a simple question, what happened to WTC7, and instead of saying fire caused it (like the NIST finally report stated), you acted like an “super expert” and went on an ego spree throwing BS after BS on how WTC1 caused the WTC7 to collapse and dug yourself a hole.
Here’s the offical side of the story for WTC7 (the real “expert” side):
Otober 6, 2005:
NIST Refuses to Show Computer Visualizations of WTC Collapses
Mrach 20, 2006:
Dr. S. Shyam Sunder, head of the National Institute of Standards and Technology government investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center building, is asked about the collapse of WTC Building 7. Sunder says that he hopes to release something about that by the end of 2006. He adds, NIST did have some “preliminary hypotheses… We are studying the horizontal movement east to west, internal to the structure, on the fifth to seventh floors.… But truthfully, I don’t really know. We’ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.” [New York Magazine, 3/20/2006]
November 2008:
NIST released Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (NIST NCSTAR 1A) (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)
From Chapter 4 of the NIST WTC7 final report (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)
“The collapse of WTC 7 was a fire-induced progressive collapse.”
“fire-induced damage in the floor framing surround Columns 79 over nine stories was the determining factor causing the buckling of Column 79 and, thereby, initiating progressive collapse”
“Even without the initial structural damage caused by debris impact from the collapse of WTC1, WTC7 would have collasped from fires”
So what this means is after 7 years of investigation, the NIST is saying it’s fire that caused the collapse of WTC7, not by structual damage from debris.
And this also means, not only Mr “common sense”, our fake rlslog demonolition/everything expert, thinks he knows better than the “conspiracy nuts”
“common sense” also thinks he knows better than the NIST. because his conclusion is different to both the “conspiracy nuts” and the NIST that took 7 years to investigate what happened.
Now if “common sense” is so pro-experts why is his conclusion different to NIST? what, first you’re better than “everyone”, now you’re better than the NIST?
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I was here to expose another fake, self-proclaimed expert like you that does nothing but copy and pastes from sites trying to feel superior because he is insecure and his life is pathetic.
“common sense”
You’ve been exposed.
You are a fake.
Have fun lying to yourself.
Case closed.
Aiight, I am done playing this idi0t, so I’ll just put the final nail in the coffin.
Listen fck face “common sense” the fake “know-it-all”, I never said the “conspiracy” version were all correct, I’ve already said right at the start there are 2 versions, what’s the fcking point copying and pasting one of the version like it’s something new.
I’ve researched on both side of the story, obviously there are some truth on both side and some idiots on both sides.
The only reason I even replied to you the first place is because you claimed experts already explained everything, when I know for sure they haven’t.
So knowing you’re a fake, I asked you a simple question, what happened to WTC7
And what did you do? Instead of saying fire caused it (which is the conclusion of the final NIST WTC7 report), you acted like an “super expert” and went on an ego spree throwing BS after BS on how WTC1 caused the WTC7 to collapse and dug yourself a hole.
Here’s the offical side of the story for WTC7 (the real “expert” side):
Otober 6, 2005:
NIST Refuses to Show Computer Visualizations of WTC Collapses
Mrach 20, 2006:
Dr. S. Shyam Sunder, head of the National Institute of Standards and Technology government investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center building, is asked about the collapse of WTC Building 7. Sunder says that he hopes to release something about that by the end of 2006. He adds, NIST did have some “preliminary hypotheses… We are studying the horizontal movement east to west, internal to the structure, on the fifth to seventh floors.… But truthfully, I don’t really know. We’ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.” [New York Magazine, 3/20/2006]
November 2008:
NIST released Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (NIST NCSTAR 1A) (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)
From Chapter 4 of the NIST WTC7 final report (http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf)
“The collapse of WTC 7 was a fire-induced progressive collapse.”
“fire-induced damage in the floor framing surround Columns 79 over nine stories was the determining factor causing the buckling of Column 79 and, thereby, initiating progressive collapse”
“Even without the initial structural damage caused by debris impact from the collapse of WTC1, WTC7 would have collasped from fires”
So what this means is after 7 years of investigation, the NIST is saying it’s fire that caused the collapse of WTC7, not by structual damage from debris.
And this also means, not only Mr “common sense”, our fake rlslog demonolition/everything expert, thinks he knows better than the “conspiracy nuts”
“common sense” also thinks he knows better than the NIST who took 7 years to investigate what happened.
#
I was here to expose another fake, self-proclaimed expert like you that does nothing but copy and pastes from sites trying to feel superior because he is insecure and his life is pathetic.
“common sense”
You’ve been exposed.
You are a fake.
Have fun lying to yourself.
Case closed.
In this day and age, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pull off something of this magnitude. It’s MUCH easier to throw up the “conspiracy flags”. There is also A LOT more money to be made making propaganda / conspiracy theory movies. Just ask Michael Moore.
So your explanation for all of the things pointed out in the movie, is “In this day and age, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pull off something of this magnitude” ?
Do you have any affiliation with the higher government powers in order to make a statement like that? It’s well known what the CIA did with Al-Qaida during the soviet wars, that wasn’t too hard to pull off, was it?