US scener jailed for 30 months
A bad news came today from American Department of Justice: A US man has been jailed for 30 months for copyright infringement over his involvement in the warez scene. David M. Fish, 26, of Woodbury, Connecticut, was further sentenced to three years on probation this week after he pleaded guilty to criminal copyright infringement and circumvention offences. The computer equipment used by Fish to commit the offences was forfeited. Fish served as the site operator as well as a scripter, equipment supplier, broker and encoder for warez sites between January 2003 and July 2005, according to court papers. His work involved circumventing copyright controls on DVDs and uploading content.
In the Southern District of Iowa case, Fish participated in a separate warez site from Jan. 21, 2003, through April 21, 2004. The warez server used in this case was determined to contain approximately 13,000 pirated software titles including movies, games, utility software and music. Transfer logs confirm that defendant Fish assisted in the uploading of 131 software titles and downloading 373 software titles to and from the warez FTP server.
The case is part of Operation Copycat, an investigation by the FBI and the US Attorney’s Office targeting online warez groups that illegally distribute newly-released movies, games, software and music online. Operation Copycat has resulted in 40 convictions thus far as part of a larger federal crackdown against the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials, known as Operation Site Down. Affected groups included such names as MYTH, Centropy, HOODLUM, VENGEANCE or Corrupt.
Source: USDOJ
Comments(133)
Bad news!
Well that’s bad news, however this will make the scene larger, due to the attention in the media, hahahaha
Nasty, poor chap.
these guyz r fighting a loosing a battle.
the Fish took the bait
RIP, but 4 is right…
1 out of 5,000,000 that will stop em.
My sympathies go out to David and his beneficiaries, may God bless and protect these selfless men and women who deliver us an invaluable service with no thought of material reward at all..
Conversely, may God smite those who oppose these purveyors of justice, freedom and liberty for all in the technological world..
Amen..
What group did Fish belong to? And, by the way, what happened to Hoodlum (as mentioned in the text)?
Rally bad news. I don’t understand HOW can they find them?
US sucks!
So true @ 11
30 months?!?!
OUCH!
Don’t drop the soap David
hes guna need lube
R.I.P Fish
R.I.P Centropy
you were one of the best
6 is wrong, 4 is even worse. It’s “lose” not “loose”.
So thats the fish you were ?
to Lynx,
1 out of millions surely means nothing but some of us will consider doing “scene” releases next time after reading these kind of articles so in the long run it will stop majority from doing illegal stuff.
I don’t think software developers really want or need all warez scene to be shut down but be less spearing to the masses. Still warez “scene” is the most important reason why ppl use such software, if not warez i would never use some Adobe stuff or consider buying it. Large companies know that and small companies user warez releases to spread their software to gain market recognition in not time.
So again, digital media would be nothing without warez but common sense says some shall fight it to control the flow, if you know what i mean.
@8
Next time please DO NOT use the name of GOD in here. Downloading copyrighted materials without the proper consent of the author is prohibited, punishable by law and I think you know it and that’s what we’re doin here. It is not a good idea to include the name of almighty with our wrong doings..
just my 2 cents..
David M. Fish is better known as aXXo. This is indeed BAD news
I don’t think this guy was aXXo as RlsLogKing claims, as it said he was SCENE, not a rather bad re-encoder.
@21
aXXo does some scene stuff in a different nic
RlsLogKing stop trolling, please.
all those jokes about lube and dropping soap.. you guys are ridiculous, the guy is going to lose 30 months of his life because he dedicate it self to the scene, and you make jokes like that? you are sad indeed..
as for “its a losing battle”, guess what? 1 in a million may not look like much, but i tell you this, sceners will be more and more scared.. who wants to risk their life when they get nothing back except from “thanks” and “you will need lube”..
free internet for all
free david m fish
He’s from my state, Connecticut. Never heard of him though.
It’s ridiculous that he was charged with “circumvention”. A decade ago, software to circumvent the protection on games was sold openly, as were “video stablizers” to filter out Macrovision on video tapes.
The US gets more like a police state every day.
Haha, @24, you really think sceners will get more scared?
I doubt that, look at what is happening atm in Iraq…. has the people of Iraq stepped down and let USA win the war?
I dont think sceners will stand down, USA isn’t king of the world, however we can clearly see day by day, that USA want to become the king of the world.
If sceners do get scared, then i would most likely see just less sceners in USA but more in outside of USA…. in places where USA cannot touch them. Look at piratebay for example, MPAA is already being PAWNED by them….
MPAA needs to learn, even if you take out a few, there is still the rest of the world to take down.
MPAA instead of fighting, they should just surrender and make an agreement with the warez community… As simple as that.
I remember awhile back…. some independent film company was thanking Warez and of course Releaselog… for distributing their film illegally. It was a not so known film named “The Man from Earth”… This was barely known until the warez community got a hold of it and distributed it. Then in return gave this movie a higher publicity and made their income higher…. This is a good clear example to what CAN happen if the MPAA stops fighting and embrace the FREE advertisements that pirates and alike can do for THEM.
He should have raped a girl or beat down an old lady instead, he would have got less jailtime for that.
@21 Whether or not RlsLogKing is correct or just trolling, your argument is weak at best. To the opposition aXXo is just as much scene as DiAMOND. Just like a pot dealer is a pot dealer to the cops, whether he sells commercial or chronic.
He was not jailed – to clarify, the report says he got 30 months on probation.
30 months for warez? Good thing this violent criminal is off the str–wait, there was no violent crime?
#28 (Jesper) was right. In the US, depriving corporations of a small percentage of their theoretical income is a much worse crime than mugging old ladies.
30 MONTHS?! This is an OUTRAGE. This kid was ripping DVDs and other sources and uploading them. HE WAS COPYING MOVIES! BFD!! What is so sickening about this travesty of justice is that its all about money. The lobbyists for the RIAA/MPAA are fueling this because they know that the world has changed and their business models are obsolete. HE WENT TO PRISON BECAUSE BIG (OLD MEDIA) CORPORATIONS ARE LEADING A MODERN WITCH HUNT. History will condemn these filthy rich old men and their corruption. I wonder how much money these lobbyists for this special interest group are paying the politicians involved in this case either it be through campaign contributions or BRIBERY.
@28: Whats totally FUBAR is that you are absolutely correct. In fact he could of done BOTH! and got less time.
This is your tax dollars at work folks. Wake up Americans aren’t free. We live in an oligarchy. Where the powerful rich control the masses. They control the media, banks and government. Both political parties are guilty! The only politician I’ve seen in recent years to try to put an end to corruption is John McCain. Obama might be a great president one day but he needs more experience and time in the public eye to make sure we don’t elect a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I think aXXo will be around along time yet.. Its sad to hear these things. Hope you get out soon.
bingbong:
“jailed for 30 months for copyright infringement … was further sentenced to three years on probation”
The argument that warez helps promote movies/appz, therefore they should stop prosecuting warez is flawed. What is not being addressed is the fact that it does not matter how good warez is for a movie/etc., it is up to the companies who make movies to decide how they want to promote it. We can’t say oh hey look we promoted it for you in our own way and we think this is better for you so what we have done is good. We really have no say in the matter because it is illegal. I can’t steal something of yours and then promote it or claim make it better or more famous and then use that as a defense. We are a democratic society so if there was enough support you could change the law, but until such time it is illegal and we just have to recognize that.
@ 30
bingbong….just to clarify.
It clearly states in the report that he “has been jailed for 30 months” just below that it states “he was further sentenced to three years on probation”.These are two different things.You should really let that reading comprehension take full effect before posting premature comments.
If any of you REALLY want to know what the U.S.Government has in store for us all…I recommend downloading and watching a freely distributable movie called “ZeitGeist”.
Those with small minds…which have been completely and systemically brainwashed by the society in which they have bee raised…will reject this movie and it’s implications…
Those who have been able to loose themselves from the systemic bonds by which they have been raised with, will begin to “really” see and understand how terrifying the future is…and not just for the U.S., but for all countries and even the World…
Be Wise…Always Question…
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Not surprised and dont feel bad for the person.
If you do the crime you have to pay the time simple as that.
i say nuke the united states of corruption…..The US government has never done a good thing ever..Hah…for once im actually glad i live in EU and not in that messed up country full of corrupt politicians and serial killers.
cutting one head will grow 3 new ones…
Europe is great place compared to US, just few days ago there was one of greatest European anniversaries, teh Holocaust day. Not even to mention other greatest European acts like crusades, inquisitions, colonial age, WWI, WWII ….
Europeans are so kind, so yes! US should be nuked just because some odd person got jailed for half year max ( if he will be good boy )…
AND please cut the “scene” idealism crap. Guy knew what he does is wrong, he got caught , thats part of the game.
@8 Yeah I feel for these poor guys. To hell with the people responsible for such harsh sentencing.
@19 Downloading any form of media off the internet is not a sin as recognized as stealing in the bible but I agree that it is totally illegal. If I was to break into someones home and steal there dvds then that would be a sin and I would be stealing.
The people who put david and these guys behind bars are corrupt scum regardless of how much copyright infringement they broke. A guy in Australia shot and killed a 19 year old for a $100 drug debt said it was an accident and got 2 years- the justice system is pretty ****** up over here too
lulz
piracy is a crime you reta.rds
@43 (f f f )
You seem like a bit of a prick.
Free David M Fish.
Piracy should not be a crime if not making profit off it.
RIAA is trying to charge the ISP 5$ extra per month and let everyone download for free…It raises the question what about those people who don’t download??? It clearly shows that MPAA and RIAA is here to make their pockets thick and creamy…They will walk the sea but never leave us alone…I in the first place would pay the MPAA 5$ extra month to avoid jail time…I am sick off waiting for new movies for 3-4 months…
don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time
if you want to be uploading, you run the risk of getting caught. everyone reading this knows it.
As much as this sucks, I read it as 30 years and felt really bad.
wow, that sux for this poor guy. He only lives 20 min from me to. I dl a ton of movies and was wondering if anyone knows if you would get in as much trouble for just dling compared to uploading?
@37 is right also check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA
soon to have even less freedom
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4
word.
bad news…fuch law
Its a New world Order man…
Fish will now know the true meaning of “peer to peer” in jail.
f f f
You’re a punk! I bet you’d give a homeless man the boot just because you don’t want to give up a dollar.
All these arrests are used as scare tactics. It’s ashame how violent criminals can get minimal jail time, but someone who does something as petty as this gets the book thrown at them. Society has failed, it’s about time it was torn down and rebuilt.
The lesson is never upload copyrighted materials, just download them
That’s a sad news though. I think he was not able to pay the heavy fine imposed by the court or just that business giants intervened and pressurised the court to make an example of it.
damn that sucks!! im gonna download extra 100gb of movies today in honor of this guy.
If it was axxo, he shouldn’t gotten PO’d about people ripping off his releases and made his stuff even more accessible. Setting up a direct download page only raises attention and makes it easier not just for the lamers to get at stuff but the feds as well.
I liked his work but the ppor guy just plain got sloppy and careless. Do it for the warez, not the recognition.
lol centropy?
they havent released anything in years. I would like to know how they took them down hahahahahaha.
Don’t you go to jail for 30 days if you hit your wife the first offence?
@37 Uno
Anybody who devotes so much time and energy to conspiracies should always be suspect and never taken seriously.
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/zeitgeist-refuted/
http://www.preventingtruthdecay.org/zeitgeistpartone.shtml
http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/religion/2007/08/25/conspiracy_theory_zeitgeist_bunk_debunke
J. Gresham Machen’s The Origins Of Paul’s Religion
hi to my buddys at myth being a lot time.
sucks big time. sorry, long time..
ARE YOU CRAZY, you cant digg that a scener is jailed ffs.
fukc the system
how much more money they need greedy kunts
Duh!
Uploading is a crime. Upload and go to jail.
Downloading is a crime. Download and get sued for your retirement fund.
Everyone knows the risks, but we do it anyway, to save $ and time
I’ll continue. This doesn’t deter me… I’ll just get a little more secure each time. The thought police are wasting their time… you can’t stop a worlwide revolution.
I’m sorry Fish is doing time for sharing with others, especially if his ethos was sharing and not getting paid. I wish him the best. As stated here… he won’t do the full jail time… they just wanted a severe statement for the press… he’ll do 1 if he’s unlucky.
Seriously, if this scares off any Sceners, or makes them think twice… I think they should step out now… if you’re that unaware of the risks or unknowledgable in how to protect yourself from discovery!
I don’t take kindly to bullies.
Oh, and I agree… lets leave God out of this.
peeps. Friiiiiiiiiiday
He should have beaten his wife… Instead of being a hardcore criminal, uploading DVDs… Oh brother! Good thing i’m not american!!
30 months ? i served 4 years it really isnt bad your first time around , stay up! scene forever!
@44 Piracy is crime even if you do not profit from it because you are hijacking someone else’s revenue stream, thus stealing their business. Piracy IS stealing. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve downloaded stuff but let’s not kid ourselves.
@29
“To the opposition aXXo is just as much scene as DiAMOND.”
Are you crazy,stupid, or just a n00b?
DiAMOND release stuff via scene ftp servers and to a set of rules, aXXo is simply a guy who re-encodes DVDRips to 1cd and uploads them to p2p sites.
They are 2 completly seperate types of releasers and you obviously dont know your ass from your elbow.
40 down – 500 000 000 to go. But don´t worry. We´ll get all of you soon enough. Hope you all get caught stealing bastards!..:D
MPAA-Fans need to get raped.
This is a good reminder of what happens when you’re on .us sites… .eu ftw.
if this busted guy was really AXXo then this is a good news!
The country’s infrastructure is crumbling. Forty two million legal Americans cannot afford to get sick because they have no health insurance. Four thousand soldiers have died battling a senseless war against a nation with which we had no dispute. Half of the nation’s high school students in major cities drop out before graduating. Tens of thousands are killed in handgun violence yearly. Job losses and home foreclosures are soaring at unprecedented levels. Corporate CEOs are free to rape stockholders and employees while taking golden parachute retirements for themselves. Yet we have no problem tracking down, prosecuting, and imprisoning sceners like David M. Fish. What is wrong with this picture???
@73 NothinG! Piracy is causing MASSIVE economical changes in the market system and landscape – as a market analyst, I can tell you things are changing and they are in motion right now. You want health insurance? You want the war to end? You want more gun control? Then STOP PIRACY! It´s all connected brother, and we have to stop piracy now! Would you like it if I came and took your salary? No? Then why are you guys taking other people´s? When you are hijacking someone else’s revenue stream, thus stealing their business, you cause people not to afford health insurance. You cause outsourcing to fund the war. You increase the sales of firearms instead of cinema tickets..!
Piracy IS stealing. Let’s not kid ourselves. You all know it!
@ MPAA-Fan
LMAO are you taking the piss?
R.i.P – CTP… Keep your head up David!
Public Service Anouncement…
Kids Don’t Use “.US”
Most of the shared media (movies, music, etc.) come from the US. If anything, all countries, except the US, should be banned from file-sharing US material.
@38
I can not belive you can say that. If you’re so sure about that, what are you doing here?! I think, that you sholud keep your mouth shut, maybe you’ll look smarter.
@39
Yeah, I’m glad to live in EU and not in US too, and becouse of the same reasons! Way to go!
@41 , mdma
Okay, Europe did some of the stuff that is its down side, but look at the US, what is doing right now!? Instead of making some new and clean energy for transportation (like Japanese), they invade Iraq (and they make a great story like some dudes attacked them) only because they still want to power their cars that consume about 5 to 7 times more than EU (or Jap) cars! And they are pushing their country into a big deficit, I think you don’t have much of the argument here!
@ 43, f f f
Yeah, you’re a prick!
@Flying Knee Of Death
You’re sick, how can you be so rude!?
@69, MPAA-Fan
You are some kinde of an as*hole?
40 down – 500 000 000 to go…. and 1000 new, every day, MPAA doesn’t stand a chance!
@73, MPAA-Fan
Someone seriously brain-washed you, were that your parents? If you don’t like this, than what are you still doing on this site (besides getting on our nerves)???? Try finding some professional help
oops… I’ve made a mistake the previous comment was not intended for #73, but for #74, MPAA-fan (sorry, my bad)
My dad works in the movie industry and I know hard it is for him to get his movies financed due to piracy. I hate to see him like this and its piracy´s fault! You guys think its OK, but its affecting the “litte man” in the streets. OK, let´s see how long it will last, if you say piracy will be around forever, in 10 years you´ll probably still be trading movies from 2008 since the movie industry will stop making movies if this continues! As for David, it should have been 10 years, not 30 months! We need to send out a warning to our kids and that´s why I´m still on this site! MPAA forever!
Brings a prodigy song to mind F%*K Em and Their Laws!
well at least he has a good lawyer..
http://www.davidmfish.com/
The movie industry is too rich and greedy. Piracy only leaves a small dent in their profits and, actually, over time can have a positive effect. They just want to scrape every single penny they can. Bastards. The price of a cinema ticket is too much right now and that is why people file-share.
Free Tibet!
Free David Fish!
downloading content without enriching big corporations makes the baby j3sus very depressed. not cry, mind you. just bummed out.
@74 MPAA-fan
Whatcha doin here then? You are on this site for a reason. I wonder what that is?
lol haha owell!!
I feel bad for those people down the line who don’t get paid well enough in the movie industry or for the showbiz industry as a whole but those big companies, actors or singers care enough? I dont think so. They all say that they do or such balonies but do they really mean it or just plain grandstanding? If they do they should take a price cut for their services and spread the wealth to everyone who contributed to the success of their projects. but no they’re too greedy to do that. they all want the money to themselves to get fatter and richer and then just do what they are good at best. that is act like they care.
Well lets take this from the top, the line than Piracy is having a negative effect on the movie industry, is a load most likely. Studies have shown, in the music industry at least, that piracy has -actually- =increased= sales rather than decrease them, due to the amount of people that can actually listen to something first and decide they want to shell out the rediculous amount of cash that a CD costs. That study was posted about right here on RLSlog a while back, as well as TorrentFreak. IF MPAA-Fan is telling the truth about his father line of work, then someone has lied to him and his father, and filled them chock full of Mpaa propoghanda. Although the idea that the Mpaa would bother telling movie makers, “We won’t finance your movie due to piracy” doesn’t make much sense even for them. Perhaps financial backers do not like his movies, and are using that as an excuse not to just tell the man, “Hey, your movies suck.” Again, that is purely one possibility.
Moving on, while I do not follow “God”, by that particular name, the concept of right and wrong is not so clear cut as it is being made to sound like. Is what we are doing wrong? Legally, to the eyes of those currently in power, yes. Morally? The answer is not so simple. The MPAA/RIAA/etc would have us believe that we are stealing, so that would make it morally wrong, yes. However, the artists who have chosen to release themselves online, without the RIAA involved, have commented that piracy really has not affected them, and they make MORE without the RIAA involved. Which is to say, we are NOT taking ‘food from the artists families’ as they attempt to lead us to believe. We are NOT ‘robbing from filmmakers’. We are taking money from the people who are setting the prices astronomically high. We are taking money from the people who are busy ripping off filmmakers and recording artists. The RIAA and MPAA want to nail pirates because we are taking money from THEM, not the artists and filmmakers.
Note: Actual Record Sales account for less than 2% of an artists profit. Most of their money is made in merchandising.
If piracy destroyed the ‘industry,’ people would not stop making music. People would not stop making films. The cost involved in making both would go down without the RIAA/MPAA. Quite simply, on the off chance that these groups were ‘taken out’ by piracy, creativity would still happen, and everything from making a movie or album, to buying it at the store, would be cheaper.
You didn’t really think it costs labels $20 per CD to produce it did you? CD’s are cheap to make, and that money goes to the labels, not the artist.
Now when you look at it that way, suddenly what we’re doing doesn’t look so MORALLY wrong anymore. It looks more like we are against the MPAA/RIAA, but FOR the filmmakers and recording artists.
Funny ol’ world, idn’t it….
@89 & 90 thanks, I´ll discuss this stuff more with my dad. I don´t think his movies suck, he´s trying to make his first feature, but they´re mostly telling him that nobody will pay for his “small” film and that they can´t make money on it because people will rip it straight when it comes to DVD. I´ll support my dad and others (like his friends) by buying their DVDs instead of downloading them so they can make more movies. They love their work and I think we all should support them!
If he is a smaller filmmaker, I recommend you look back through the TorrentFreak or RLSlog posts. On at least 2 occasions, smaller filmmakers have actually thanked piracy for getting their film more widespread recognition than would have been possible otherwise, which put them in a better position for their next film.
@ MPAA-Fan
It’s that the MPAA won’t make any money from him. That’s why they are telling him that. Your dad will probably make more money on his own, especially with file-sharing to make the movie more popular and recognizable. It’s the MPAA that you and your dad should be against. They are the one’s taking money from all the film makers and making it look like it’s piracy’s fault.
@81 MPAA-fan
You are either very young and extremely naive, or just plain stupid. I mean you clearly hate piracy because of your dad’s situation, which probably is mainly his fault and not anybody else’s. Comeon man “the movie industry will stop making movies if this continues!” – you have got to be kidding me. Open your eyes man and stop blaming other ppl or things for your own or your dad’s problems.
And btw 30 months is rediculous for a non violent crime of simple piracy with absolutely no money involved (i mean he did it for free) cmon its no like he killed some1 for God’s sake
People having the audacity to ridicule Fish going down while visiting this site are not just low-life scums, they also are outright imbecils..
@90
A well written comment, absolutely true and I 100% agree, well done
@91
Whoever told your dad that people will rip it straight when it comes to DVD was talking bullcrap, it will actually help your dad and his friends if it gets distributed on the scene if the movie IS good, then be asured ppl WILL buy the DVD and money WILL come out of it, real talent wont be wasted. On the other hand if the movie really is bad then it will probably backfire and if words gets around that its a bad movie then obviously sales will go down, but either way its for the better IMO.
@ MPAA-Fan
Your Dad actually sucks. They just feed him that bunch of bullsh*t to make fell better about himself. You know what I’m talking about. It probably happens to you all the time.
why didn’t my post take?
My post doesn´t take either!
@91 How can you say its for the better if some feel its a bad movie and its not and then a lot of people won´t see it just because some ***-hole said it was bad ? Pre-release?
@97 I am not naive, I am 14 and I know what Piracy is doing! My dad doesn´t suck! If I met you I would punch you! Idiot..!
He was sentenced to 30 months in prison with an additional 3 years supervised release to follow upon release from prison. He is going to prison for 2 1/2 years and serving 85% of the time in federal prison. Some of you jerks have no idea what is happening at all in the real world. Give the man his respect.He could have probably snitched his way out of the time but instead he chose to be a man.
@91 MPAA-Fan, I feel sorry for your dad, and I agree with you that most filmmakers have a hard time making it if its outside the studio system. I also agree with your point that piracy is harming the film industry. However, as others have pointed out, piracy is helping the major studios because people anyway pay to see those movies, and those who download those commercial films probably also buys them. So its like, I don´t know, only the little guys like your dad who suffers. But heck, I would recommend your dad to change his line of work. Problem solved.
Also, though I say piracy is bad, I won´t stop DL movies:D Sorry!
-n0c-
I support you MPAA-fan. When dad lost job, he went crazy. I understand where you come from. Its very hard with parentz. But they will make it, I think. Keep it real..!
@101
You are right… and keep in mind that fed prison is SO much better than state. But I have a nice solutions to fukcing them commercial a**holes right where it counts… In their pockets.
I am currently working on a real time RPG that will put GTA and True Crime to shame. This game is my OWN original intellectual property, which means that I can do whatever I want to with it. (I need some talented programmers and animators by the way)
I plan on releasing it as a 5$ download with no need for cracks or keygens. It will be licensed for UNLIMITED duplication and distribution as well. Basically, it will be shareware in the TRUEST sense of the term.
I know what it is like to be turned down on every employment app just for someone less qualified to take the position because I made a few mistakes in my past… and I know what it is like to struggle to get by and have to pick the lesser of many evils to make a few bucks in order to get by.
This game will be available for the hustlas to dupe and sell in the STREETS and hopefully allow a couple kids the chance to live their lives without getting hooked on some of those Greater evils. Personally, I plan on burning several copies and selling them for about 20$ a piece, I know that there is enough money out there to be made that way. I am employed NOW, but not in the professional type position that I have skills for… I get to do manual labor for the rest of my life it seems, but oh well, at least I can make a few extra bucks on the side.
Well now i’m not so sure what thought i’m gonna entertain as who this MPAA-fan person is. First on his post #73 he said he is a “Market Analyst” and then now on his post #100 he is replying to post #97 that he is a “14 year old” boy. Not unless he is a “genius” or a “whiz kid” to be able to become a market analyst at age 14 then he would’ve prabaly have given his Dad an idea on how to market his own film. Hmmmmm. Something in me is tingling. lol.
#106
MPAA-fan PWN3D.
LOL
@MPAA-fan… Munchausen’s syndrome? No better way to get people writing to you than to give yourself that name.
I’m sorry your dad is having trouble finding financing, but if he is being told pirating is the cause, then he is not being told the truth.
The truth is it is easier than ever to find financing if you have a good idea. More movies in this decade and just prior have been released and been huge box office successes on a budget than every prior decade put together in tinseltown’s history. $100,000 budgets can regularly lead to many millions at the box office. While I may not be as… harsh… as some who have commented previously, I agree that your dad’s work/script/vision is the problem and not pirating.
* The Blair Witch Project. Budget $60,000. Gross $248,639,099 world wide.
* Napoleon Dynamite. Budget $400,000. Gross $46,140,956 worldwide.
30 months?
interesting. it’s almost the same you get in portugal for killing or rape.
The world never stops turning, minds advance, technology changes, the elders profit off our country which they create for the youth, youth has no boundaries, we grow up changing the rules, and sometimes the biggest sacrifice one can give is his or her freedom. Fish will not be able to get the those thirty months back but it must feel good to turn the earth just a fraction….
In the eyes of the government the internet IS a virus which they cannot control.
Do you think the governments are stealing information, while us mortals download a few measly films to watch?
*Puts on tin foil hat*
@106
MPAA-Fan POWNED !
And about this kid, just stop being so smart cause you aren’t
I think it would be wise not to submit this site to digg, although there are no torrents on site. The publicity might not be a good idea. Just a thought.
just cause ur country is out of its mind when it comes to sentancing i say rapists get the death penalty is good but thats just me. dont compare your 3rd world country portugal to the mighty USA
- Seems like David will be sleeping 30 months with the fishes.
- The fish got caught and gutted.
- I think we have fish on the menu tonight!
- This little fishy went to market…
- I smell something fishy..:D
It’s sad but true, many will disagree with me but this will never end as there will be another person taking his place in a heart beat! of course with more caution… not that said i just hope they don’t go for all the guys that do the same thing at once or else we all would be screwed.
This is a thought: The Future of the movie industry will see films maintaining better quality and x-fer will be done digitally, bypassing the most expensive part of film- film itself! so theres another billion dollars made by upgrading. Now in 2009 there will be nothing but HD. start to see the picture? Use the Old signals n broadcast on the old pre HD signals -not piracy if its broadcasted on old network thrown away. cant get in trouble for the signal being available. hmmm
@ 19
where in the bible does it say its a sin to SHARE “copyrighted” material (not stealing a physical object), if anyone is disobeying god it is you for being an ignorant fool and following senseless and harsh laws that take away a human’s freedom and put them in a cage like an animal around a bunch of murderers, rapist and all the other crazy people you find in jail, if you think that is what god intended then you are pretty screwed up in the head… moron.
my only wish is that the agencies involved would put in at least the same or surpass the efforts of piracy, into something much more legitimate like child pornography. Apparently money is the only factor that has the greatest of concerns. there’s none to be made in human suffering.
Usernet and other download services, seems to become a nice and sweet alternative.
@MPAA-fan:
For your information, “piracy”, as you call it, actually INCREASES revenue for quality movies while doing the opposite for crappy ones. It’s like this: Most downloaders don’t, for obvious reasons, let it be widely known that they download stuff. If someone downloads a really good movie, they will tell their friends and co-workers who are then likely to pay to go see it. Therefore, movies will, over the long-run, only become better, thanks to people spreading the word about quality products. And if you think, like the MPAA would have you believe, that downloaders are costing the industry money due to lost revenue, that is absolute bullsh*t. If downloading were to become impossible, most “pirates” would never pay the ridiculous prices at the box office.
So, little boy, or whatever you are, you obviously have quite a few things to learn. And not using a nickname like MPAA-fan on a board like this would be a good place to start.
Waaaaaah I went to jail cause I did something illegal, waaaah!
To MPAA-Fan,
Here are my thoughts on the issue;
Piracy *MIGHT* take some money away from the movie industry, but nowhere near as much as they claim. They think that if ten people download a movie, that means that they lost ten sales, and that’s how they come up with the “billions” that they’re supposedly losing each year. The truth is that out of those ten people, maybe one of them would have bough the movie if they couldn’t download it.
I’ve only been able to download movies for about a year and a half. Before that I had dialup, which was too slow for downloading anything large. I’ve never bought a lot of movies or gone to the theater that often. In the decade before getting DSL, I probably went to the theater maybe 6-7 times. I own exactly one Hollywood movie on DVD (Serenity), and one TV series box set (Firefly). Before that, I just waited for them to turn up on the premoum movie channels (which I do pay for).
If the ease of piracy is responsible for people not paying for movies, why wasn’t I buying movies back when I couldn’t download them?
The MPAA claims that piracy is killing the movie industry, but yet 2007 was a record-breaking year for them. How can both be true?
A DVD costs something like $0.25 to produce (when manufactured in bulk like the studios do), so why do movies sell for $20-30? Why do box sets of TV shows sell for about $50 a season or $150 for the entire series?
Why don’t the studios set up digital stores and sell AVI copies of movies for $2 each? People who want the extras can buy the DVD, people who just want the movies can download them. You might say that if they did that, people would pirate them. They’re doing that already. Why not give people a legal alternative that has all the advantages that the pirate versions do?
Case in point; I’ve been looking for the unrated version of Eurotrip. There’s a copy on the eDonkey2000 network, but I can tell by the number of sources that it will take at least a couple days to download. Also, there’s no guarantee that it’s really the unrated version as I’ve been duped before by “unrated” versions. If I could pay $2 and be guaranteed of downloading a good quality, DRM free version, I’ll seriously consider it.
Even if it didn’t make a completely honest customer out of me, at the very least I’d use it occasionally for stuff that I have a hard time finding on my own, like Eurotrip unrated.
Think about it for a second; The internet is the greatest distribution medium ever invented. Encoding films and putting them online as AVI files costs next to nothing (although the bandwidth to download them does). Is there any reason other than greed that studios haven’t put their entire movie catalogs up as digital downloads for sale? Well, I suppose the licensing agreements for music and characters and other things would keep some films off the list, but then again, I’d file that under greed as well. If there weren’t such restrictive laws about the use of copyrighted material, it wouldn’t take them years to straighten out the music rights and such.
The copyright laws have gotten so restrictive and convoluted that studios can own the rights to dozens of movies, but not have the right to release them on DVD because the licensing deals for the music didn’t include DVD rights. Those rights then have to be re-negotiated or the music has to be replaced, often destroying the atmosphere of the movie.
A good example of this is the 1981 movie Heavy Metal. The soundtrack was released on LP in 1981, but not on CD until 1995. Not only that, but the movie itself wasn’t released on home video until 1996 because negotiating the music rights took over 15 years!
Add to this the ridiculous salaries paid to some “stars”. Does Tom Cruise really need to be paid $5,000,000 for being in a movie?
There’s so much more that the movie industry is doing to tilt things more in their favor; Broadcast flags to control what you can record from TV, longer copyright terms, higher penalties for copyright infringement (they feel the $150,000 per movie/song isn’t enough), the right to seize and keep any hardware used in the commission of copyright infringement (which could theoretically include the family computer if junior uses it to download music/movies), making copyright infringement a *CRIMINAL* offense so that they would no longer have to foot the bill for suing people (instead the US tax payers would foot the bill for the Department of Justice to prosecute file sharers), brainwashing people into believing that *ALL* movies and music are copyrighted and that it’s *NEVER* ok to download them (they don’t want people to know about the concept of works becoming Public Domain), and more.
I thought this Log was just another red herring april fools joke. I then realised its now may, so this article is in the right plaice.
I suppose he wont be playing COD 4 much now and will be someones whitebait.
tut, listen to me carping on….
Why pay for something when you can get it for free?
So the scene is not that safe after all! Warez! Bleah! You have to pay also for the pirated software! LOL! Torrents are safer! In Europe at least!
It’s bad news for you
One less sceener, means one less movie for the public, Thats the democratic part of it.
You cant turn back time, As a senior court judge
I must favor uploads, Instead of corporate business
now stfu. lets made some uploads.ok MPAA Fan whats your email so i send u some links.
Hehehe “I am not naive, I am 14″
it won’t be too long until warez is no more i’d say, and im all for it!!! we will actually need to work and earn the money to pay for everything! in which we all should now anyway and support those who take time to develop what we want!
Witness you are wrong. The warez scene will just be pushed back further underground, like it was b4 the riaa opened pandora’s box with the napster incident.
You guys should transfer to Asia or some other place where anti-copyright infringement measures don’t exist. Take for example my home country, Philippines. Pirated movie vendors line up the streets in public view.
Sad news Indeed
Fukin feds