Upside Down DVDRip XviD-REACTOR
Beware of the IMDb rating of 9.1/10 as there has only been 13 votes which could all very well be members related to the cast or crew. REACTOR is a group that flew under my radar, with 107 releases this is the first time I notice one. From what I can’t gather of the film, it is Macedonian in origin but with english? dialogue. This film may be something that film critiques like, as it delves into the creeping degradation of the individual and society life as a whole. So a sophisticated sounding film with no reviews on the internet to back it up.
Jan is the type of romantic malcontent who can’t find rest, who continually hurts people and gets hurt himself. This dark, raw and uncompromising Macedonian film presents a gloomy testimony of the degradation of the life of the individual and society as a whole.
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Sounds like it might be a solid movie. I’ll download it.
tits in the sample? MUST DOWNLOAD.
Tq for sharing….
Movie is not in english.
Anybody have a link for subs? I looked and couldn’t find any… and before some brain surgeon points out that the nfo says there are subs, well, there aren’t. They aren’t hardcoded and there’s no softpac either.
lol…. looks kool
Macedonia was, is and will be GREEK. So its not a macedonian film. Its from Skopia.
This can’t be a Macedonian film, as it is not Greek. The international name for this country, accepted from UN is FYROM and it should be changed ASAP from the text above!
Agree with SilviaS14a.
Macedonia (Makedonia) is a tottaly GREEK name and it has nothing to do with the Slavian People living in the territory of FYROM (Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia).I don’t think Alexander the Great was speaking the slavian language.So get a life and find you true Identity do not try to steal the history of other Nations (Greece) and the language of other (Bulgaria).
NSFW anyone? What’s up with the screenshot?
This film is from FYROM not Macedonia. Please change it.
If it’s not the most ridiculous name of all countries – Former Yugoslav Republic of M…, especially since Yugoslavia is no more.
What is somehow implied by “former”… Anyway, which language is the movie now?
Macedonia is GREEK!!……
Please change the country of origin to FYROM or SKOPIA.
Happy New Year to all.
Here’s a review (not positive):
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117934150.html?categoryid=31&cs=1&p=0
Macedonia is macedonia. Quit the bs.
any eng sub
From IMDb
Country of Origin: Republic of Macedonia
Language: Macedonian
Ok first of all im a Slav, who used to live in Yugoslavia and for all the greeks who claim that macedonia doesnt exist, it has and always will, the only thing you wont agree with is the Macedonia that is now called FYROM which is pathetic, FYROM is an insult to a great country, lets call it Macedonia as its glory intends
, and for all those haters i have but one thing to say ” Ko ne misli da Macedonia je Macedonia i ko misli da Macedonia je greke, nema pojma, Zivjela Svaka Zemlja sto je bila ispod Jugoslavije 
”
it is from the republic of macedonia therefore macedonian…petty fools
never realised greeks were such facists
wow, poor greeks
Q: How do you separate the men from the boys in Greece?
A: With a crowbar.
Based on the book “Navel of the World” by Venko Andonovski
I’m from Greece and i’ve been to FYROM many times. I like the people and i think they have a beautiful country. BUT there is not such a thing such as “Macedonian language” or a nation called “Macedonia”. The guy that wrote the post made a mistake and he should fix it. That’s all.
Wow, I never knew Greeks were such a bunch of insecure fools about the name of their province, Macedonia. Beware of countries who still celebrate victories or defeats from over 2000 years ago!!!
If we keep up this discussion, they’ll invade Macedonia (excuse me, FYROM) and ehtnic cleanse the problem. Maybe they’ll give a hand to their neighbors the Serbs and take care of Kosovo afterwards, thereby solving two problems at once.
Anyway, when we are finished with this infantile discussion about whether the country Macedonia is a threat to Greek egos, perhaps somebody can comment on the release or give a link to subtitles?
You claim that your country’s name is Macedonia
although your ancestors had nothing to do with ancient Macedonians (who spoke the Greek Language and used to take part in the olympic games years before Alexander the great conquered all the cities of Greece and as you should know only Greeks took part on the olympic games and foreigners
were not accepted)
You should also know that :
”Slavic people a branch of Indo-European peoples, living mainly in Europe, where they constitute roughly a third of the population. Since emerging from their original homeland (most commonly thought to be in Eastern Europe) in the early 6th century, they have inhabited most of eastern Central Europe, Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Many settled later in Northern Asia or emigrated to other parts of the world.”
”Slavic peoples are traditionally divided along linguistic lines into West Slavic (including Czechs, Poles and Slovaks), East Slavic (including Belarusians, Russians, and Ukrainians), and South Slavic; (Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs, Slovenians and Bosniaks). For a more comprehensive list, see Ethno-cultural subdivisions.”
from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples
so you can see that there is no connection beetween the slavic and the Albanian people who live in modern Macedonia and the original ancinet Greeks that used to live there,you should study your history more carefully ,
even the name Macedonia is a Greek word,all modern Greeks can read the ancient script on the ruins of the ancient Macedonians that can be found all over the region of macedonian.
Yes it’s true that the geographical area you live is part of the ancinet Macedonia and thats the name of the region you live but this doesn’t mean tha you are not a slav or Albanian and you should be proud for this,but claiming to be Macedonian because you live in this area is like an American claiming to be an Iranian ecause he lives in Iran.And again we live in afree world youn can use any name you want for your country but stealing and manipulating history for your benefit is somrthing different…
I know that this country has suffered for many yers from civil wars of ethnic minorities and that the communist regime you had tried to find a way to keep the people united and used this ‘Macedonian comkmon ancestors” scheme to keep the country united but stealing another country’s history is not the rigth way to deal with an ethnic diversity problem.
You calim tha theis movie language is Macedonian when you know that is Slavic,people from many countries in the Balkans can understand the movie’s language (Serbs,the people who live in Montenegro) but you claim tha the movies language is macedonian,it’s like you are telling that a movie made in US has American language,a movie made in Australia Australian language and so on…when the movie’s language is English…
I don’t like flame topics,but it’s stupid to use names and words who are in still in question an not recognised by the united nations yet…So the post author should use the Un approved names of this country until things are sheteled.
”It was admitted to the United Nations in 1993 under the provisional reference of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), pending resolution of a naming dispute with Greece.[2] Many other international institutions and countries have recognised the country under the same reference, although a large number of countries recognise it as the Republic of Macedonia.” Wikipedia
The Slavic and Alabanian inhabitants of the North Macedonia region should be proud for their own histories,they don’t need to steal or use the history of others to feel great,because they are still great (or even greater) without believing and living in lies!
(Sorry for the huge post)
- so before the Greek there was probably another groups of inbreds living there – as if the Greek have some historical right to anything.
Maddog (post 30)
In Greece people are proud for their rich and worldknown history and culture…Yes they celebrate and remember both their victories and defeats of the last 2000 years and more,because they have been making history for the last last 2000 year and more!
I feel sorry for other contries who don’t have such a rich history and i feel pity for those who wnat to make great things small because they can’t have them and envy them…
Even if there was a group even before Greeks there (we are talking for more tha 2500 years ago)which is very propable,they haven’t left any written scripts or ruins that can be found.
Historians agree that the history of a nation begins when its strats to write and uses writte language…
And i think that a 2500 and more years of presance its more than enough.
This is MACEDONIAN MOVIE !! AMAIZING MOVIE !
GREEK IS MACEDONIA !!! MACEDONIA FOREVER ! ALEXANDER THE MACEDONIAN !!!
Great post Stereo Mike. We don’t have anything against any other countries and we don’t want to start war with no one. There are certain things that alot of people don’t know. Every country and everyone who lives in this world is special. We don’t need pointless arguments, that’s what we are trying say.
Macedonian movie, and macedonia is macedonia
Greece is difrent country
ilefx you are not Macedonian you will never be Macedonia is greek, most likely you wona be greek but you will never be you are an albnian and nothig more or less you should be proud for your origin dont try to be someone you are not, go read some international history not your lies they are teaching you in your illeteral schools.
Slavic movie from FYROM with Slavish language.Warning not greek movie.
can anyone direct me to some subtitles? google search came up with nothing!
Are there really no subtitles
? the whole world is waiting ^^ cause the films is quite neat
@38 “not your lies they are teaching you in your illeteral schools”
You could choke on the irony.
This film is from MACEDONIAN.F…CK THE GREEK
Please…
Who cares about Macedonia vs Greeks, ban them all and discuss the movie!! Are there any engsubs available or not? If not, this movie can FOAD.
Alexander is Macedonian
Alexander is Indian
Alexander is Greek
Alexander is Pakistani
Which is right?
I CAN’T BELIVE THAT EVEN HERE YOU GREEK’S ARE CRYING! YOU ARE SUCH P****’S!
@Stereo Mike
READ SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WRITTEN BY YOUR OWN GOVERMENT YOU BLIND AS****E
LIKE FROM George Rawlinson M.A, Canon of Canterbury and Camden Professor of Ancient history at the University of Oxford
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/Rawlinson.html
OR Differences Between Ancient Macedonians and Ancient Greeks by J.S. Gandeto
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/gandeto.html
AND THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR GOVERMENTS CLAIMS
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/GreekPropaganda.html
Alexander is Macedonian! That is the right answer!
TO all other members WHO ARE STILL INTERESTED IN THIS MOVIE I WILL MAKE ENGLISH SUBTITLES! GIVE ME SOME TIME AND ILL POST THEM HERE!
For the people looking for subs: In the nfo it says that there are Macedonian, English and French subs provided with the release. Haven’t downloaded it yet so I’m not sure.
where the hell is the subtitles?
i found subs no problem it came wt my release…..how ever i dont use torrents or RS…wow 2 hungover, cant get the spam protection right
k i’m gonna have lunch before i yak, then ill post the subs for you guys!
@46 infected
Crying ??? Where did you see us crying ? We don’t have to cry to prove anything. Our 2000+ years of history and heritage proves that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greece
Read and perhaps you can learn something…
As for the links you provided …
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Whoarewe.html
just a group of Greeks wannabes….
You are american ? African-american ? What ? Slav ? Serb ?
Give me a break….
In all UN posts, FYROM is announced as FYROM, as this is the [b]International name that is accepted by all countries. [/b]
For example…. -> http://www.un.org/av/photo/detail/0153941.html?sid=
So do not try to dictate something that is sooooo wrong.
They lived in peace under Ottoman Empire.
Ottoman rule
The consolidation of Ottoman rule was followed by two distinct trends of Greek migration. The first entailed Greek intellectuals, such as Johannes Vissarion, Georgius Plethon Gemistos and Marcos Mousouros, migrating to Western Europe and influencing the advent of the Renaissance (though the large scale migration of Greeks to the West, most notably Italian University cities, began far earlier, following the Crusader capture of Constantinople[1]). The second entailed Greeks leaving the plains of the Greek peninsula and resettling in the mountains, where the rugged landscape made it hard for the Ottomans to establish either military or administrative presence.[2]
[edit] Administration
The Ottomans divided Greece into six sanjaks, each ruled by a Sanjakbey accountable to the Sultan, who established his capital in Constantinople in 1453. Before this division occurred, the Ottomans implemented the millet system, which segregated peoples within the Ottoman Empire based on religion. The conquered land was parcelled out to Ottoman nobles, who held it as feudal fiefs (timars and ziamets) directly under the Sultan’s authority. The land could not be sold or inherited, but was reverted to the Sultan’s possession when the fief-holder died.
[edit] Economy
The economic situation of the majority of Greece deteriorated heavily during the Ottoman occupation of the country. Heavy burdens of taxation were placed on the Christian peasantry, and many Greeks were reduced to subsistence farming whereas during prior eras the region had been heavily urbanized. The exception to this rule was in Constantinople and the Ionian islands, where many Greeks lived in prosperity. Greeks heavily resented the declining economic situation in their country during the Turkish occupation.[3]
[edit] Religion
The Sultan regarded the Ecumenical Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church as the leader of all Orthodox, Greeks or not, within the empire. The Patriarch was accountable to the Sultan for the good behavior of the Orthodox population, and in exchange he was given wide powers over the Orthodox communities, including ethnic Greeks. The Patriarch controlled the courts and the schools, as well as the Church, throughout the Greek communities of the empire. This made Orthodox priests, together with the local magnates, the effective rulers of Greek villages. Some Greek towns, such as Athens and Rhodes, retained municipal self-government, while others were put under Ottoman governors. Some areas, such as the Mani Peninsula in the Peloponnese, and parts of Crete (Sfakia) and Epirus, remained virtually independent. During the frequent Turkish-Venetian Wars, the Greeks sided both with the Venetians and Ottomans.[4] The Orthodox Church assisted in the preservation of the Greek heritage, and during the 19th century, adherence to the Greek Orthodox faith became increasingly a mark of Greek nationality.
As a rule, the Ottomans did not require the Greeks to become Muslims, although many did so in order to avert the economic hardships of Ottoman rule. Under the millet logic, a converted Greek, although retaining culture and language, was classified simple as “Muslim”. In the eyes of the Christians, however, they were deemed Turks. Some Greeks either became neo-martyrs, such as Saint Efraim the Neo-Martyr or Saint Demetrios the Neo-martyr while others became Crypto-Christians (Greek Muslims who were secret practitioners of the Greek Orthodox faith) in order to avoid heavy taxes and at the same time express their identity by maintaining their secret ties to the Greek Orthodox Church. Crypto-Christians ran the risk of being killed if they were caught practicing a non-Muslim religion once they converted to Islam.
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Greece
http://historyofmacedonia.wordpress.com/
JUST READ AND LEARN SOME HISTORY !!!!!!!
Whatever…where are the subs?
here is the Upside.Down.DVDRip.XviD-REACTOR.sub
http://www.mediafire.com/?cixbtriyy42
It’s funny though how people who use a language that has nothing to do with ancient greek and are of slavic origin, claim the macedonian heritage. I don’t give a damn if these guys want their country to be named Macedonia, Athens, Cleopatra, Alexandria, New York or Liverpool. It’s just pathetic thinking that while Macedonians spoke the greek language (as all tombs have proven) and felt part of Greece as well, you deserve to use such a name. It’s not geography that is important in such issues, but the culture, the language, the history and the tradition. And regadless your preferences, Alexander The Great, Phillipos II and every other, had nothing to do with the slavic history.
First of all I would like to ask the admins to remove all those stuff about nationality because this is just not the place for it. Someone else can’t tell me who I am and where I come from. I won’t say more about all those Greek b*ttheads.
The admin that posted this should not, I repeat SHOULD NOT change the name Macedonia (Macedonian) in the post because the language there IS Macedonian and Greek people can’t understand it (hence it’s not greek lang.)
Other thing, for all those that might have interest in this movie…My personal advice for you is to download and give it a shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. This is not one of those typical American action movies, so if you want something different, see it for yourself.
Every time I see some post about Macedonia, Greek people answer with comments which we Macedonian find it very insulting. That just shows the insecurity of those people as well as the threat from Macedonia.
InFecTeD what language will you translate to make your english subs?
Slavian to English translation I believe is what you are going to do… LoooooL
Please study the world history about the area you live and the people that lived there and you will realize that Macedonia has always been a province of Greece with Greeks living there!
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to be called Macedonians but Slavians and only that.
If you cannot understand this please read the following two paragraphs from post #31:
1.
“Yes it’s true that the geographical area you live is part of the ancinet Macedonia and thats the name of the region you live but this doesn’t mean tha you are not a slav or Albanian and you should be proud for this,but claiming to be Macedonian because you live in this area is like an American claiming to be an Iranian ecause he lives in Iran.And again we live in afree world youn can use any name you want for your country but stealing and manipulating history for your benefit is somrthing different…”
AND
2.
“You calim tha theis movie language is Macedonian when you know that is Slavic,people from many countries in the Balkans can understand the movie’s language (Serbs,the people who live in Montenegro) but you claim tha the movies language is macedonian,it’s like you are telling that a movie made in US has American language,a movie made in Australia Australian language and so on…when the movie’s language is English…”
Alexander the Great or “O Megas Alexandros” is Macedonian!
But Marcedonia was,is and will only be Greek!
As said above, try to get a real life and find your real roots…
Rlslog.net is a great site…i think it is essensial to edit the thread and correct the mistake…
I don’t think the people of rlslog are nth like the stupid government of the USA, to recognise FYROM as the legentary Greek Marcedonia…
I don’t blame u…but by not correcting the mistake you are insulting the history of our nation!
Greece is a small country in size…but huge in fame and history!
**I think the people of rlslog are nth like the stupid government of the USA, to recognise FYROM as the legentary Greek Marcedonia…
Could someone post the subtitles please? wasn’t in my release and i can’t find them anywhere on the web. the subs in this http://www.mediafire.com/?cixbtriyy42 link don’t work
hm crap, your right, vso wont read that sub file…not sure why i never use subs so really have no idea what i’m doing. But thats what came wt the release
I find it preposterous that some people take heed from a movie in order to launch an offensive against the cradle of civilization, Greece.
There is a PROVINCE called Macedonia an ancient Greek land now extended over three countries. There is NO country called Macedonia, only a product of a communist dictator named Tito who, in order to give substance to a mixture of slavik and albanian sector of his newly formed country invented on their behalf historic connections to the Greek province.
People from the United (my ass) States of Northern America, a country of ex convicts expelled from the UK only just over two centuries ago hardly are suitable or worthy to comment on historic issues. So are the subjects of a queen that still think they are part of an empire and still occupy part of a country and insist on calling it Ulster. IT IS CALLED IRELAND
When the Greek goverment didn’t had the propaganda going….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAYIDO5832Q
http://www.kajgana.com/sliki_uploadirani/spor1
http://www.kajgana.com/sliki_uploadirani/spor2
http://www.kajgana.com/sliki_uploadirani/spor3
http://www.kajgana.com/sliki_uploadirani/spor4
http://www.kajgana.com/sliki_uploadirani/spor5
http://www.kajgana.com/sliki_uploadirani/spor6
YOUR HISTORY BOOKS AND YOUR TELEVISION!!!!
I KNOW MY NAME, MY IDENTITY, MY LANGUAGE, MY HISTORY, MY CULTURE!
YOU CAN CALL ME HOWEVER YOU WANT AND THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM!
ONLY I HAVE THE RIGHT TO NAME MY SLEF!
this movis looks interesting,i’m gonna watch it
talk about about Macedonia and Alexander, reminds me of Rome:Total War – Alexander what a great game that is
No subs yet?
I can’t wait to see this FYROM/Macedonian movie it looks pretty intresting especially when two countries are working together to make it!
These subtitles (found here: http://www.mediafire.com/?cixbtriyy42) won’t work (since they’re in binary) without the corresponding .idx file dude…
Thanks though, still.
@68 Joey
Two countries ??? It’s hardly one country. Macedonia is a Greek province.
Well…to all my friends from the friendly country of “North (Slavic) Macedonia”.
). I am from south of Greece and I want to specify to all North neighbors and friends that…except of Philip the II and specially the Alexander the previous (and some years after the death of Alexander) history of Macedonia was….completly empty( of course there is always Aristotle…). The civilization that they (Macedonias) share all over the world was from the South Greece (Athens, Korinthos, Sparta, Thebes, Megara, and many others).
Am not Macedonian (as I know
Also I believe that a Man who love Greece, study the Greek History and literature, and philosophy of how to live, he have the right to named Greek (not the modern Greek, I mean the Idea of the ancient Greek spirit of freedom and respect of mind and life) So it’s nothing right now about History or culture BUT it’s what are neighbors friends waiting for….after. Just ask them about the capitol of “Macedonia” and the answer will give you the “plans”…So, friends from the neighborhood…when here in South Greece made Parthenons, Democracy, Philosophy, Meds, Arts, and unfortunately Wars…you were on a tree with long tail eating bananas….Ahhh yes we f.ck to, as you said, also, but still the same time you was still on a tree eating bananas.
And believe me if you don’t step down from tree and discuses about the problems of your area…you just still staying on, and eating bananas (just look your friends from the west…they watching with side eyes because right now they watching directly Kosovo… but believe me the time will be sort).
Still friendly. Aton (From south)
PS. My dream is The Balkans nations remove this hate from their mind (there is not hate in there heart) and be ONE.
@ No. 6…go download porn then….LOL
English Subs @ http://rapidshare.com/files/80653261/120267.zip
If the name is incorrect, rename it to whatever your movie is called….
Example….if the movie is Upside.Down.avi and the SRT file is Upside.Down.DVDRip.XviD-REACTOR.srt…..change the SRT name to Upside.Down.srt
….P.S. Credit to Major Cleanup for this file!
thanks!
macedonian ? i am sorry my friend but the correct name is FYROM for this country. thank you
all you people claiming macedonia is greek plz stfu because in that case the turks could easily say greece is theirs.
realise that modern greece and the greek people have nothing in common with the antique greece, except the name.
the name FYRM was imposed on macedonia and its silly, so bugger off and leave them be.
Subs from USENET here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JME10IEH
76. Macedonia is a big area that part of it is FYROM, a very small one, the bigest part althow belongs to Greece nowadays. We don’t say that another country is Greek.
To all Vardarskans/Fyromanians.
There are several simple questions and undeniable facts and evidences out there, proving that Macedonians were Greeks.
1) First king of Macedonia was King Karanos. A Doric Greek from the greek city of Argos in Pelloponese. He left the city at around 9th century bc and went north in order to estabslish a new kingdom.
2) The language of Macedonians was a protohellenic doric greek dialect, close to the dialect that the Spartans used. All inscriptions and findings in the area of Macedonia were in greek while there is not a single evidence of the existence of a distinct Macedonian language
3) Macedonians participated in the ancient olympic games where only HELLENES were allowed. The first that took part was king Alexander the I
Paus. Phokis VIII, 2 & 4 [Loeb, W. Jones])
“Belistiche, a woman from the coast of Macedonia, won with the pair of foals … at the hundred and twenty-ninth Olympics.”
4) Macedonians claimed to be direct descendants of Hercules (and dont try to doubt that Hercules was a greek)
5)95% of Macedonian names, including the word Macedonia are of greek origin. Phillipos = friend of horses (Filos/friend + hippos/horse, Alexander=the one that protects his men (Alex-protect+andras=man)
6)All ancient historians and geographers accept the greekness of Macedonians.
“The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same language, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day.”
Titus Livius (from “The Foundation of the City”, Paragraph 31)
“Argos is the land of your fathers, and is entitled to as much consideration at your hands as are your own ancestors;”
Isocrates (To Philip, paragraph 32)
Every seat in the theater was taken when Philip appeared wearing a white cloak and by his express orders his bodyguard held away from him and followed only at a distance, since he wanted to show publicly that he was protected by the goodwill of all the Hellenes, and had no need of a guard of spearmen.
(Diodoros of Sicily 16.93.1)
7) If Alexander the great had a language and culture of his own why he bothered spreading the greek language and culture to his vast empire?
“No king of the Hellenes had ever conquered Egypt with the exception only of Alexander, and that he did without war…”
[2.4.5; Oration of Demosthenes]
Plutarch. Moralia.
“Alexander lived many hundred years ago. He was king of Macedon, one of the states of Greece.
On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A [Loeb, F.C. Babbitt])
I could carry on with ancient quotations but thats enough to start a decent conversation with my dear Vardarskian neighbours. I’ll just end with a some words by their former Prime Minister, Kiro Gligorov :
We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD)… we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.
Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe (February 26, 1992)
I read these comments looking for movie info, and all I see is bored Greeks vs. bored Internet. Jesus christ it sucks to be you all.
I aggree with Bonandre 100%, so please change the name it is insulting to us Greeks to call Slavs Macedonians as that implies that Macedonia is not Greek.
cyc: Stop harassing our history, at least we have history opposed to other nations and we care about it, so u stfu.
and the late Gligorov was right: macedonians are slavs.
all other things pointed are irrelevant as they talk about facts that were true 2-3000 years ago.
ancient people that inhabited those parts were assimilated in the slav population and vanished over the course of history.
period.
@ cyc
“and the late Gligorov was right: macedonians are slavs.”
i hope you don’t imlply that ancient macedonians were slavs. do you?
“all other things pointed are irrelevant as they talk about facts that were true 2-3000 years ago.”
you know what we call history right? all those “irrelavant” things that talk about facts that happened 2-3000 years ago. yes, this is history. its written down by historians of that era, so… it is history. and guess what, it cant be distorted.
“ancient people that inhabited those parts were assimilated in the slav population and vanished over the course of history.
period.”
any evidences, texts, quotations to rely your arguments on?
so greeks suddenly dissapeared from the face of the earth when the slavs came in the area in the 6th century A.D. i’d like to watch you explaining the continuity of greek culture and language through the course of history to modern days.
And one last question, where are you from my friend?
rcr-ud.avi
http://d01.megashares.com/?d01=3dea893
OR
http://rapidshare.com/files/80703842/rcr-ud.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/80704279/rcr-ud.part2.rar
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@Bonandre
You claim that there is no ancient Macedonian language but a Greek dialect right?
What do you thinkg about this…
If the modern Greeks want to deny the ancient Macedonians their spoken language, then, they need to rewrite the history to suit their version.
[1] Quintus Curtius Rufus “The History of Alexander”
“Alexander the Great speaks in front of the Macedones of his army: “The Macedonians are going to judge your case,” he said. “Please state whether you will use your native language before them.”
Philotas: “Besides the Macedonians, there are many present who, I think, will find what I am going to say easier to understand if I use the language you yourself have been using, your purpose, I believe, being only to enable more people to understand you.”
Then the king said: “Do you see how offensive Philotas find even his native language? He alone feels an aversion to learning it. But let him speak as he pleases – only remember he as contemptuous of our way of life as he is of our language”. [p.138]
This is Alexander himself talking about “our way of life” and “our language” “Macedonians are going to judge your case” There is no need for any explanation.
[2] Eugene Borza. “The lesson is clear: the use of the Greek language as a form of written expression does not by itself identify the ethnicity of a culture”. (”In the Shadow of Olympus -The Emergence of Macedon”, p. 94.)
“As the Macedonians settled the region following the expulsion of existing peoples, they probably introduced their own customs and language(s); there is no evidence that they adapted any existing language, even though they were now in contact with neighboring populations who spoke a variety of Greek and non-Greek tongues.”
“Hammond’s firm conclusion that the Macedonian spoke a distinctive dialect of Aeolic Greek is unconvincing to me, resting as it does on an interpretation of a bit of myth quoted by Hellanicus, who made Aeolus the father of the legendary progenitor Macedon”. (”In the Shadow of Olympus” p.92.)
“The handful of surviving genuine Macedonian words – not loan words from a Greek – do not show the changes expected from a Greek dialect. And even had they changed at some point it is unlikely that they would have reverted to their original form”. (”In the Shadow of Olympus” p.93.)
“As a question of method: why would an area three hundred miles north of Athens – not colonized by Athens – used an Attic dialect, unless it were imported? That is, the Attic dialect could hardly be native, and its use is likely part of the process of Hellenization. To put the question differently: if the native language of the Macedonians is Greek, what is its Macedonian dialect?”
“On the matter of language, and despite attempts to make Macedonian a dialect of Greek, one must accept the conclusion of linguist R.A.Crossland in the recent CAH, that an insufficient amount of Macedonian has survived to know what language it was”.
[3] Earnst Badian “Stadies in the History of Art vol. 10: Macedonia and Greece In Late Classical and Early Hellenistic Times”
Regarding the Cleitus’ episode, Ernst Badian writes: “He used the only language in which his guards could be addressed”.. [Note: The guards could be addressed in Macedonian language.]
Episode #2. Eumenes of Cardia. In 321 B.C., Greek commander Ambiance, with cavalry and light arms only, faced the Macedonian noble, Neoptholemus, with the Macedonian phalanx. To avoid battle Xennias, a man whose speech was Macedonian, was sent by Eumenes to negotiate with the commander of the phalanx. Badian analyzes:
“Now, Xennias’ name at once shows him to be a Macedonian. Since he was in Ambiance entourage he was presumably a Macedonian of superior status, who spoke both standard Greek and his native language. He was the man who could be trusted to transmit Ambiance’ message. This clearly shows that the phalanx had to be addressed in Macedonian, if one wanted to be sure (as Ambiance certainly did) that they would understand. And almost equally interesting – he did not address them himself, as he and other commanders normally address soldiers who understood them, nor did he sent a Greek. The suggestion is surely that Macedonian was the language of the infantry and that Greek was a difficult, indeed a foreign language to them. We may thus take it as certain that, when Alexander used Macedonian in addressing his guards, that too was because it was their normal language, and because (like Ambiance) he had to be sure he would be understood”.
[4] Ulrich Wilcken in his book ‘Alexander the Great’ on p.22 notes that “linguistic science has at its disposal a very limited quantity of Macedonian words” [Wilken mentions Macedonian and not Greek words]
[5] “The Tumult and the Shouting: Two Interpretations of the Cleitus Episode”, (published by APA in The Ancient History Bulletin, Vol. 10, number 1, 1996) [I will not endeavor myself with "their" Hammond-Bosworth fight, for obvious reasons. What I will do, however, is lift certain references where these giants, specifically, deal/address the ancient Macedonian language in question.]
[6] p.20, line 23. “Alexander shouted out in Macedonian, and called the hypaspists in Macedonian”.
[7] p.25, line 4. “In my view”, writes Bosworth, ” there is nothing at all surprising in the use of Macedonian. Alexander was calling his hypaspists, who were Macedonians, and he addressed them in their native language/dialect. In Hammond’s view, however, the hypaspists would normally have been addressed in standard Greek. Macedonian proper he restricts to the people of the old kingdom, Lower Macedonian, while the tribes of the mountain districts of Pindus (Upper Macedonia) spoke a dialect of West Greek. The evidence for this hypothesis is decidedly tenuous.”
[8] p.25 elaboration: Bosworth cont. “I deliberately refrain from adopting any position on the linguistic status of ancient Macedonians. It has little significance outside the nationalistic propaganda of the contemporary Balkan states, in which prejudice and dogma do duty for rational thought. What matters for the present argument is the fact, explicit in Curtius, that Macedonian was largely unintelligible to non-Macedonians. Macedonians might understand Greek, and some Greek (like Eumenes) with experience of Macedon might speak Macedonian. However, even Eumenes took care that a vital message was conveyed to the phalangites of Neoptholemus by a man fluent in Macedonian.”
[9] p.30, line 28, we find the final statement by Bosworth: “He used Macedonian because the troops would instantly understand and (he expected) would react immediately. There is no need for more complicated explanation.”
And for your other claims here are a couple of links that you can read if you want.
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/gandeto.html
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/greeklie2.html
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/greekmyth.html
and the main one
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/
I’m not going to bother to talk about this anymore because it is pointless toa argue about it here…
http://www.mediafire.com/?cixbtriyy42 IS FOR SUBS FILE
http://www.mediafire.com/?3ncozmcmlnx
and the missing idx file (sry as i said before no nothing about subs is right here
Release is a bit out of sync at 44:38.
Movie is actually really good. It deserves imdb score.
THIS IS MACEDONIAN MOVIE !!!!!UNITED MACEDONIA — MACEDONIA FOREVER —we are stile alive… we never die… cry gREECE tESALONIKI is OUR … AND FOR aTHENS WE WHIL THINK ABOUT…
It’s not Thessaloniki it’s Solun. Mistake there my macedonian brother
infected bows bows…well done m8
Greece is Macedonia
Alexander is Macedonian
Filip 2 is Macedonian
Athens is Macedonian town
Upside Down is Macedonian MOVIE
MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA !!!
Upside Down is Macedonian MOVIE
MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA !!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!!!Alexander is Macedonian!!
i watch this movie yesterday and it`s awsome
) and fantastic Macedonian movie 
you must watch this movie it`s amazing
Greece is Macedonia
Alexander is Macedonian
Filip 2 is Macedonian
Athens is Macedonian town
Upside Down is Macedonian MOVIE
MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA !!!
imdb score is slipping…
4.1/10 on 65 votes. I’m not watching it. Interesting discussion, though. I think I learned something…
To all Vardasks (fakemacedonias)….the only mistake from Greece is that 15 years ago we said No to Milosevic to eliminate your “spot” from the map. But don’t worry in a sort time your Albanian and Bulgarian neighbors will correct this mistake. In that time the only help you can get is from our economic base we have in your “spot” and maybe leave you to live there after.
You will be in History as the shortest time state of earth…its better from total oblivion…
PS….you want Athens to..lololollllolololollolo with what….you will attack with stones your pitiful sub humans
@Cougar – thanks for the rapidshare english subs – they work great!
Greece is FAKE country full of fake greeks asimilated albanians,russians,macedonians….. but WE still DON`T CARE ABOUT YOUR FAKE COUNTRY — MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA(DON`T U firom me i`m Macedonian)
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MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA(DON`T U FIROM me )
MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA(DON`T U FIROM me )
MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA(DON`T U FIROM me )
MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA(DON`T U FIROM me )
FORMER MACEDONIAN REPUBLIC OF GREECE
WHEN I SAID MACEDONIA I MEAN MACEDONIA
No tesaloniki only SOLUN
MACEDONIA FOREVER WE ARE STILL ALIVE ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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WHO THE …K IS gREECE PLEACE
gREECE – how that awful sounds MACEDONIA IS AROUND YOU
gREECE IS FULL OF FAT,AGLY AND STUPID APES-MONKEY`S
UNITED MACEDONIA
REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA
MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA – WE DON`T NOW WHAT THAT WORD GREECE MEANS BECAUSE WE DON`T HAVE A neighbors WHIT STUPID NAMES LIKE GREECE
This is MACEDONIAN MOVIE !!! F**K U GREEK P***Y !!!
the former turkish republik of greece
i wonder why gREECE has no good neighbourhood relations with no neighbour. Is Turkey, MACEDONIA, Bulgaria or Albania the problem is gREECE itself – AND your black land full with monkeys
Michael Jackson is GREEK
:):):)))))))))))))))
Someone to ban these stupid people.
Eeeeeee…Vardaskans……your days are Limited….it’s time to go back to your trees….harry up….after that your choice is only in cage…lolollol…
PS.40% of population of your “spot” (country) are Albanians are ready to stern your ASS soon….and without condoms….
And something…. more for those of you can read and write….the name is HELLAS and not Greece and its exactly what your future is…HELL
@Barras
YOU ARE SO G*AY BARE ASS!
YOUR WHOLE FUC*KIN COUNTRY IS G*AY HELL ASSS!!!
GO S U C K A D I C K!!!
To those of you that think Alexander was not Greek could you tell us the meaning of the word Alexander (Αλέξανδρος)?
Is there a meaning in your language (if there is one) about Alexander?
The fact that the slavs/albanians/bulgarians that inhabit part of the ancient Greek Macedonian lands TOTALLY depend on Greek investment and ALL infrastructure (electricity grid, telecommunications etc) are provided by Greek companies should make you think twice about raising your heads above the mud. Seriously, why don’t you try and ‘force’ that name to the pittiful excuse for a country of yours? See what happens…
The fact that the slavs/albanians/bulgarians that inhabit part of the ancient Greek Macedonian lands TOTALLY depend on Greek investment and ALL infrastructure (electricity grid, telecommunications etc) are provided by Greek companies should make you think twice about raising your heads above the mud. Seriously, why don’t you try and ‘force’ that name to the pittiful excuse for a country of yours? See what happens…
Oi karagiozides apo tin sygkekrimeni istoselida TOLMISAN kai kanane ban to teleytaio post(den yparxei,to svisane).
Ta proigoumena post apo to diko mou apo ta zwa tous Vardaskanous den ta peirakse kaneis…..
Eee re p…. pou xreiazeste.
Kai sxetika me tin proidopoiisi sas…valte tin ston kwlo sas.
Working English Subtitles:
http://subscene.com/Upside-Down/subtitles-70631.aspx
@ Barras
“PS.40% of population of your “spot” (country) are Albanians”
-Where the hell did you find this information?? From your ‘world recognized statistic’ or something. The albanians are -25% and you can’t tell me otherwise
HELLAS??/ you mean HELL ASS??
@103
Michael Jackson is not Greek, George Michael is:):)
To all the Greeks here: MACEDONIA is recognized as Macedonia from almost every country in the world, so what does that tell?? It’s time to give up from the bull***t propaganda, and face defeat!!
Sorry for my offtopic post ,but as Macedonian I was very insolted and had to reply.
on-topic:
download the movie, It’s one of the best Macedonian movies,
and it had a great success on some film festival in Greece I think:) seriously
@Marcho
BE honest for one time…it is not the name only….its the “other” things you will try after that and you know excaxly what I mean.
And it is HELL in your ASS if you dont understand it.
About the movie…if its a good movie of course it will be in success.Here in Greece – Hellas we dont have any psycological complexes with others…only you have a lot of hate for us (betterone is always hateable from the worst)..
PS.The 40% it is from the Albanian embasy of Skopje.
Meanwhile, the IMDB rating has dropped to:
User Rating: 4.3/10 (85 votes)
So don’t bother, unless you are Greek or Macedonian!
To kwnstantinos:
I don’t know if you are aware that Southern Slavic (Serbs excluded) peoples are mostly Thracians and if I remember correctly many of them, who were heavilly hellenized were actually living together with Greeks in Macedonia, which was considered by entire Grece as a barbarian country and not Greek or at least not purely Greek one. So certainly many troops in Alexander the Great army and in army of his father were actually Slavs. Today maybe there is Greek builded infrastructure in Macedonia, but it never was solely Greek home… not even in ancient times, if you care to check up your ancient history on this subject.
Piotr Glownia coat-of-arms Godzyamba
@ Barras
If the “other’ things you’re refferring is the territory which Greece took from Macedonia in the 1913 don’t worry. Because your goverment made the Macedonian president at that time to sign a document which says that Macedonia has NO territorial aim towards the parts that were taken in 1913.
“Here in Greece – Hellas we dont have any psycological complexes with others…only you have a lot of hate for us (betterone is always hateable from the worst)..”
If you read the first posts you’ll see who started this ridiculous argument at first place.
So PLEASE stop commenting about this stuff here… if you want us to sort this out feel free to leave your e-mail and we can continue this subject. there’s no need to bother other peoples here.
We are lucky that the Slavs are so stupid that can’t even do the sum of Spam protection…so they can’t post
Sorry guyz that you are coming from nowhere ang going also nowhere!Propably Alexander the Great used to buy horses or whores for his men from your country…but sorry laidies…he is from HELLAS
Even if you name your country Greece or Hercules country…or whatever you are jealous of us…We Greeks will stand proud of our history and continue writing history through the centuries…
When Greeks used to care about astronomy,philosophy,math,art and science you where still trying to ligh fire and not be eaten by the wild animals!!!
hellas it means HELL ASS 1 half monkeys 1 hald homos
MACEDONIA FOREVER – WE ARE NOT AND WH`LL NEVER BEE BLACK`S LIKE YOU
GREECE=10%BLACKS,25%HOMO,15LESBIAN
,10$ALBANIANS,10$MACEDONIANS,5$GIPSY FROM NEVERLAND KRIT AND OTHERS WE STILL DON`T NOO ?? 
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WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE MACEDONIA – MACEDONIANS AND WE DON`T WHANT TO BEE BLACKS LIKE YOUR BLACK PEOPLE
Marcho,Liakopoulos,giannis,psyxologos i don`t give a F..K about you – i know what i am
) so go to your black country and make love whit your fat blacks and please don`t forget REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA IS DIFERENT COUNTY gREECE PLEASE DON`T CRY 
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UNITED MACEDONIANS
UNITED MACEDONIANS
UNITED MACEDONIANS
UNITED MACEDONIANS
UNITED MACEDONIANS
UNITED MACEDONIANS
UNITED MACEDONIANS
Michael Jackson is a COPY-PASTE of real gREEK
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READ ONLY
United Macedonia
So the rules in this site doesn’t count fore some people?
What didn’t, you people, understand from the “Don’t be rude” phrase? Or this is a way to prove your culture?
The thing is that none of you so-called Macedonians do not have a clue of what Macedonia really was. I feel sorry for you guys that believe in something that you ‘re not.
egeec why don’t you tell us the meaning of the world Alexander? Is it or not a Greek name? Is it a “Macedonian” name? You should probably know.
The thing is that none of you so-called Macedonians do not have a clue of what Macedonia really was. I feel sorry for you guys that believe in something that you ‘re not.
egeec why don’t you tell us the meaning of the word Alexander? Is it or not a Greek name? Is it a “Macedonian” name? You should probably know.
GREECE=10%BLACKS,25%HOMO,15LESBIAN
,10$ALBANIANS,10$MACEDONIANS,5$GIPSY FROM NEVERLAND KRIT AND OTHERS WE STILL DON`T NOO ?? 
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WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE MACEDONIA – MACEDONIANS AND WE DON`T WHANT TO BEE BLACKS LIKE YOUR Gipsy PEOPLE
Forza Macedonia
Macedonia Forever !!!!
Subtitles:
http://subtitlesource.org/title/tt0774106
Thracians FTW
lol…how stupid greeks are..they still think macedonia is not macedonia….in greece you can find 100 places with name macedonia..yeah great..they love us…but want to change my country name..no man..greeks are still fegots.and thats that..macedonia for macedonian..end of story for that..
There is no point in entering in this kind of conversations with STUPID and uninformed people like “Greeks” are, but I was very much provoked by their comments.
First of all U STUPID greeks U have to understand that this place is for comments for the movies.
Second, these gypsies should read the results from genetic researches made by the Genetic Center in Barcelona where these NEWCOMERS are defined like MIDLE-SACHARIAN people (GYPSIES), and WE MAKEDONIANS are oldest nation in the Balkans, far from Slavic origin and different from all other Balkan nations with defined language, culture and state, unfortunately for these southern gypsy newcomers, still existing after more then 4000 years on our from GOD gaved land and creators of western culture.
Third is that so called state south of us is Former Makedonian and then Former Turkish land of Greece, first time shown oh historical and political scene under the name “Greece” in 1829, without Makedonija, stolen in Balkan wars 1912-1914.
CONGRATULATIONS FOR 172 YEARS OF EXISTING.
ALEKSANDAR OF MAKEDON has called them MISHEITI, which means MOUSE.
GREEK = VIRUS OF PLANET EARTH
PLEASE INVENT SOME ANTIVIRUS, OR WE’VE ALL GONNE TO HELL
How ever Upside down is DEFINITELY MAKEDONIAN movie with artistic approach of social problems in MAKEDONIJA in transition and worth to spend 2 hours of you precious time.
Sorry, but I don’t have idea where to find subtitles for non-macedonian people.
Stupid former otoman greek f*cks, stop b*tching about our name. I was It is and it will be MACEDONIA. Stupid f*cks!
Face the fact: Former Otoman Province Greece.
I think Greece should be a censored word.
hi this is a great movie of course MACEDONIAN MOVIE!!!
I HAVE SOMETHING TO ASK THOSE GREEK CUUNTS.
TELL ME SOME ONE. WHAT WAS PHILLIP II NATIONALITY? AND U WILL FIND OUT WHAT ALEXANDER THE MACEDONIAN WAS, AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS…. MACEDONIANS FOR MACEDONIA… MAKEDONIJA FOR EVER. LONG LIVE MACEDONIA
(P.S. GET THAT CROWBAR AND SEPARATE THOSE MEN FROM THE BOYS THAT WAS A GREAT JOKE)
anybody got a country for sale I think the macos need one because theyre trying to steel greek territory.
Oh make it cheap because they dont have much money.
Never met such an arrogant lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alexander the great was greek , any of you illiterates study modern history . Where do you get your facts from , cereal boxes??????????