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UK: tougher piracy laws, blacklists of pirates

Six of the UK’s biggest net providers have agreed a plan with the music industry to tackle piracy online. The deal, negotiated by the government, will see hundreds of thousands of letters sent to net users suspected of illegally sharing music. Hard core file-sharers could see their broadband connections slowed, under measures proposed by the UK government. BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse have all signed up. Geoff Taylor, chief executive of the BPI, which represents the music industry, said: “All of the major ISPs in the UK now recognise they have a responsibility to deal with illegal file-sharers on their networks.” The plan commits the firms to working towards a “significant reduction” in the illegal sharing of music.

In addition to this chance, parents whose children download music and films illegally will be blacklisted and have their internet access curbed under government reforms to fight online piracy. Households that ignore warnings will be subjected to online surveillance and their internet speeds will be reduced, making it very difficult for them to download large files. The measures, the first of their kind in the world, will be announced today by Baroness Vadera, who brokered the deal between internet service providers and Ofcom, the telecoms body. About 6.5 million Britons are thought to have downloaded music illegally last year. It has been estimated that illegal downloads will cost the music industry alone £1 billion over the next five years.

Source: Times, BBC

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  1. QuadrupelQ
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:44

    Oh yeah, the same goes for other countries too…

  2. independence is dead..
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:47

    Forget standing up and protesting, you guys are just wusses and that does not accomplish anything this day and age as does so-called ‘voting’. It’s people with power and money that have influence in government.

    The blood of these ruling oppressors need to be spilled…

  3. sober
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:53

    @ 102

    So what do you suggest? How ’bout we light the torches and grab the pitch forks, we’re going to have a lynching! YEE HAW!!!

  4. independence is dead..
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:54

    damn right

  5. bye bye ISP's
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:55

    Well, It looks like the smaller ISP’s are going to be receiving new client$. lol

  6. sober
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:57

    @ 104

    Lol, what can I say.

  7. burnthisb1tch
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:00

    wtf barons? fuking barons!

    this baroness b1tch needs a good thrusting in the a55.

  8. ricko
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:04

    i must agree Anthony give the people what they want for example the British people didn’t want to go to war, yet we went anyway. it seems like the govement is doing what they think is best for us, like we cant be trusted. The govement wants to breed stupid people who are in debit, are freedom of speech is being taken away from us. we can no longer protest near parliament (half-mile radius), also if you ever get arested in the UK for any reason even if ur wrongly arested can take ur fingerprints and DNA for the database. The govement wants to introduce identity cards.

    are freedoms are being taken away from us and were not doing anything about it, people are in debit and tryed, working 24/7.

    we have no money as it but they want to make us spend more by stopping freedom of infomation on the internt.

    the same thing happened to raido, radio used to be a communication between normal people, untill they took control. then we could no longer transmit are own raido.
    the same thing will happen to the Internet, they want to take control of it because they are afraid of it.

    sorry for the bad spelling - i feel ashamed to be british today

  9. speaker
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:11

    If you people just keep whining about it and not physically do anything, these acts of the government and businesses will just keep running rampant.

    Anyway, I just jerked off to a googled picture of Baroness Vadera.

  10. truth
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:12

    If you people just keep whining about it and not physically do anything, these acts of the government and businesses will just keep running rampant.

    I just jerked off to a googled picture of Baroness Vadera. TMI?

  11. truth
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:14

    damn it..
    Just kidding ’bout the jerking thing.. but she did give me a boner.

  12. joe7
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:17

    surely the way to go is encrypted files on servers like rapidshare with random file names ? rapidshare will not know whats in the file or your isp..

  13. ricko
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:18

    good documentarie about UK freedom being taken from us go check it out :D

    http://www.66stage.com/documentaries.php?pl=goo&url=9200571097985634440

  14. LoL
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:38

    Steal a car and they do nothing.
    “Steal” (if you can call that stealing, rather copying) a CD - and you’re screwed for life.

    God, what the world has came to?

  15. PT
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:42

    PIRACY IS GOOD: IS LIKE SEX!

  16. angel9
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:46

    They mostly blacklist the obvious P2P bittorrent I would think. I don’t see why people dont use my idea when it comes to that, when uploading a movie/music to a torrent, don’t label the movie/music FILE with the obvious copyrighted name but something else like 123 and rar the dam thing, its not like they’ll know waht it is , and label the actual name the website description page, their networks wont pick that up ~_~.

    People can always use Direct DL sites like rapidshare, so on ect which isnt p2p, easy way to DL. I’m prety sure they’ll block it since, most of the names of artists are on the archives, so their networks will pick it up. So goodluck Uk O_o

    Glad im the US, DL whatever what I want and unlimited ^^, if only they offer more dam Upload speed here.

  17. soo...
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:48

    well, feel free in the US while you still can.

  18. WTF
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:58

    nothing to worry about really
    few hints tho:
    a.search and study your rights, be prepared.
    b.HIDE your collection, i ve met many stupid kids keeping Tbs of music and movies in multiple HDs in their computer.There is no need for that, after downloading a movie or a cd just use external storage and hide it someplace else inside your home.Noone will bother with u if they find only one or two illegal files in your computer.Encrypting files wont work for obvious reasons.

    Stoping piracy is like wishing for worldpeace.Will never happen.

  19. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:09

    It dosn’t matter where you are, if it succeeds in the UK, you can guarantee global business will push for implementation everywhere they can.

    Only one way to beat big business don’t give them your money or allow the collusion of Corprates and govenments to erode your civil liberties.

    We can either roar like the lions or bleat like the lambs
    We are the many they are the few.

    As Ice Cube says:

    You gotta get em up (who wants some?)
    You better get em up (come get some!)

  20. KRIEGHOFF
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:18

    The music industry has been committing legal piracy for years, ripping everyone off with CD prices. The ISP’s in question advertise switch to us and get so many GB’s a month, thats 50 films 3,000 music tracks, ETC,ETC, I imagine Tiscali and the others will be flooded with requests for MAC codes.
    The nanny state is alive and well

  21. Tom Byron
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:19

    What about bittorrent encryption ? and forcing it both ways ?

  22. Tom Byron
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:21

    And using blocklists in utorrent from http://www.bluetack.co.uk

  23. hahahaha
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:27

    WOW circumvention of the UK’s Data Protection Act
    If this happens get ready for lawsuits a plenty - LMAO.

  24. someclown
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:35

    Is encryption forbidden in the uk?
    If not it will work for storing files even in the uk.
    Google “Truecrypt Plausible Deniability”!

  25. gav
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:35

    Glad i changed from Virgin to Be now. :D

  26. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:37
  27. DaLoon
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:00

    Well i get caped already , 6pm till about 11:30ish pm it down to 512k , that ok i dont mind that i am all for fare usage but this crap they say they going to do and some are doing F that, if i get capped all the day an night i ll just stop using internet , ok i like to play online games so that would hurt a bit buy MEH, like what has been said why have 40gig or 60gig usage packages LIKE anyone use’s that much emailing not even if you played online games an watch vids all day on youtube would you use that in a month :lol:

  28. Biffo the Bear
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:01

    I don’t think the big ISPs give a damn about piracy. They see this as an easy, legitimate way to get rid of big users. They’ve been trying to do that for years anyway; they don’t want big users, they want big payers who do a bit of surfing, never stream, d/l a couple of music tracks, and go to bed at 9 p.m., having spent an hour a day on the Net. Easy money for £15 (30 Yankee dollars, 20 euros) a month.

  29. Loony
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:01

    …Frack the System….

    Smell it….Smell it… Now Take it!!!! :p

  30. Chunk Buttcheek
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:01

    what nobody seems to have mentioned here is that while the 6 isp’s have signed up to this plan, NONE of them have said they will actually cancel anyone’s internet account.

    all that will happen is that you will get a letter.

    that’s it.

    no legal action. no removing your connection.

    a letter.

    they may want to give the impression they’re “fighting piracy” but they still want to take your money for your monthly internet sub.

  31. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:08
  32. Porkchopster
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:08

    welcome to 1984

    where is V to save us all? still in Brazil?

  33. Kim
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:09

    And it will only happen if you download alot via torrents, not if you use a file hosting site.
    And if it happened to me I’d ring them up and complain and say I’d been using the BBC iPlayer alot because that uses P2P sharing.

  34. King
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:16

    ISP’s can’t legally open every packet sent and recieved, like royal mail opening every envolope. It’s an invasion of privacy.

  35. Loony
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:17

    I believe that the fight will never end between the industry and the File sharing networks-users.

    Frack em… They opened the Pandora’s Box (Internet),
    and now they want it just 4 them. lmao

    Screw you “little” industries… “losing” your billion’s..

    I’m holding on to them for safekeeping!!!!!!!!!! lmao

  36. anomynous
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:24

    Stand up for your rights and do something about it, don’t just roll over and submit…

  37. Mirchel
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:26

    it’s time to encrypt all network traffic…

  38. lock
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:35

    http://www.bethere.co.uk offer up to 24Mb connection for £18 with unlimited usage. and they’re not on the hit list yet…

  39. DrMatta
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:47

    @14
    Seriously, who gives a sh*t?

  40. Jonathan Riggly
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:51

    Jasper said:

    Good thing America has capitalism here, and companies worry more about their profits than about stopping piracy.

    American ISP’s won’t voluntarily give up their paying customers just to help another industry.

    I say:

    It’s not the ISP’s that will take our freedom’s in America. It will be industry lobbyists that will slip a few lines in some unrelated House or Senate bill that is 600 pages long. Think not? How about the lines mandating that all online credit card transactions be reported to the IRS. That is in the House bill for saving home owners. Blame not the ISP’s but the lazy public for allowing a bunch politcal hacks to sell us out.

  41. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:59

    here, here, Jonathan Riggly. Glad someone was awake when that happened.

  42. Evi1eye
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:02

    Lets look at the real deal here: We are going to into a world wide economic recession… Are the ISP’s really going to take the chance (NO) If Tiscali Virgin BT sent letters to 100,000 people or more.. What would happen either people will accept the fact that they cannot download which makes the evenings a little more boring or people will change ISP’s and virgin Tiscali will be sacking thousands more people… The way the economy looks in the UK / US they will not do nothing… If people start to compain!! Because these ISP’s will not take the chance of losing money. SO why are is the Government want to crackdown because they are losing thier little % in the UK 17.5% in US 7.5% depends on the state… They need to get real, These ISP’s will not Police the Internet…
    regards all

  43. Opra
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:02

    This is just a first step for the ISP’s to make more money charging by metered traffic flow. First, create a bandwidth crises by saying certain users (say pirates) are hogging all the available bandwidth (this is certainly rubbish, there isn’t a bandwidth problem). Then place caps on total bytes and transition to a tiered usage system. Bottom line is we pay more for less and they pay less by reducing capital expenditures needs for new equipment.

    Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee England.

  44. mupet0000
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:05

    Crap, virgin media have slowed my connection to less than a meg at all times.

  45. flyinhigh
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:12

    u knew that is was going to happen sooner or later. but it wont stop us downloading until they cut my broadband off. so much for being a F**king free country.

  46. UK
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:12

    Lucky for me I got a broadband from o2.

    8mb/1mb and been dling like mad :)

    Like a 80gb this month …

  47. sharpshooter
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:20

    Yeah i had letter from virgin(bad name as they have been screwing poeple for years)they said your unlimited will limited to 35gb a month and those who top that will see their speeds cut in half……to**ers

  48. mike wilson
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:21

    its time to buy share in the smaller isp

  49. anon1888
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:31

    this’ll never work, if you have a computer, you’ve atleast downloaded 1 “illegal” file. it’s just going to piss people off if they decide to follow through with this.

    then they all loose customers and have a mass price redutction to attempt to get them back, the government rethinks is policy after tons of people complain about being monitored and stuff about their privacy.

    then they either turn into nazi’s, and we buy a bunch of V masks and kill them off. Or they decide to let us do whatever we want again without limitis and go back to attmpted to track specific people and failing.

    probly more money efficient for them right now if they just gave up and left us be, piracy helps films, music aswel as tv shows.

  50. mrborat
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:39

    just send a few emails with the word bomb and jihad ,you wont get done for downloading meet dave n the dark knight but you may be sharing a cell with big bubba and him calling you his wifey,im always here 2 help praise allah n jebus n all other mythical creatures .If i cant download no more im turning to a bigger crime knock down ginger ,who’s with me

  51. Virtual Thief
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:53

    This is just the usual “Shake the stick at the people” and look like your in control. I for one wont need an internet connection if i cant download films or music. If i get a letter of Virgin i will just tell them to cancel my contract and so will thousands more what will hurt them more the fine for not complying to the law or the loss of customers? He might look like noel edmonds on acid but branson is a smart cookie Dont worry be happy :)

  52. blc
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:58

    Remember remember the fifth of November
    Gunpowder, treason and plot.
    I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
    Should ever be forgot…

  53. Crap
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:03

    Since UK have brought this in, Australia will definitely follow suit. We already have the worst broadband in the world, lets make it even worse.

  54. sparky
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:04

    This won’t work. Too many legit companies are turning to P2P to distribute their “stuff”.

    ISPs cannot log and process this amounbt of information for the money they make. They will simply send letters based on usage and we will reply with “using legit sites mate”.

    One thing that really pisses me off. Why do music / film bods equate one download to one lost sale? Many downloaders would not buy or could not afford to buy everything they “pirate”. Industry “loss” figures are grossly inflated.

    I download stuff and if I like what I see or hear I buy it. If I don’t I delete it. I delete more than I buy, and if anything my “piracy” inreases slightly their sales for me at least.

  55. Giiizmo
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:13

    Piracy will never die out.

    Start messing high-tech piracy distribution and we’ll go back to low-tech. Remember how we did it 10-15 years ago? Some guy would buy a game and rip it for 10 of his friends, who would then hand it out to 10 other of their friends, etc. In fact, coordinating a network of low-tech distribution (think mail or even hand-to-hand) would be even easier than before.

  56. Swoop
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:16

    @ 94

    It’s called Inflation.

  57. midlandsmorg
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:26

    It’s no wonder that many British people want to jump ship, no smoking, no downloading, no drinking in the streets - not allowed to do anything in this country but pay the government mo’ money.
    Boo hiss.
    Why on earth do we get so many immigrants?? Do they not know that this country is an over-regulated craphole?!
    I’m with Virgin, I never use torrents and haven’t had a letter yet but, thanks to wonderful RLSLOG, I download anywhere between 5 and 20gb a week so I’m expecting one shortly :-(

  58. Roger
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:27

    I went in HMV two days ago, CDs cost about £14. I’m not paying that.

    If the music industry is so poor these days, why is MTV still making Cribs and showing it’s teenage audience how rich every single music contract holder is.

    Music should be about art not money, no one downloads the rubbish music anyway do they?

  59. dave
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:31

    is that the same 02 which is owned by BT? DUHHH.

  60. just dont get it
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:33

    I know alot of people who download music they allready have on a cd because sometimes it goes faster than ripping it from a cd. And since you allready own the record you are downloading they cant claim you download illegaly.
    I mean how is this gonna work are they really gonna criminalice a whole population. If I download a music that I allready own it cant be considered piracy because you are allowed to make a backup how in gods name are they control something like that?
    I smell alot of lawsuits heading the broadband providers way.

  61. The Deviant
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:36

    Plenty of my downloads have turned into purchases. I downloaded the Fight Club movie, I have that on DVD because it’s one of the finest movies ever made. Sweeney Todd, I shall be getting this on DVD shortly for the same reason. Games such as Oblivion, Portal, Audiosurf, GTA IV… Downloading allows us to see something before we bother parting wwith cash for it. I wish I’d downloaded “The Happening” for example, instead of wasting £13 at the cinema to see it (yes £13) as it was by far one of the WORST films I’d ever seen.

  62. Isekinicho
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:42

    Its still very unlikely that the ISPs can identify you on their own from traffic alone (unless you hammer the connection).

    Previously, and this is from experience, the Anti-Piracy group’s boxes that seed certain torrents, and appear on p2p networks had to share you a file while logging your IP. This is then passed onto the ISP, with time logs and file details for them to investigate, if their claims match the ISP log they send you a letter. Therefor using a simple app like peerguardian can protect you in a majority of cases IF YOU KEEP A LOW PROFILE - not 100s of GB of downloads.

    Even if you are caught, worst that can happen is termination of service since Data Protection act stops the ISPs releaving ANY of your information to any third party unless authorised. (Expect this in the terms and agreement for ISPs soon, as this pathetic attempt fails)

    For the extra paranoid a network encrypter/proxy like TOR to disguise your traffic and as long as you keep a low profile and dont download truck loads you wont be noticed.

  63. hippo
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:43

    i dont use p2p now……..not for a long time since ive started using online storage and stuff…….its 100 times better and 100 times faster so why even bother with p2p anyway?

  64. Yo
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:49

    Fck the police.

  65. Bob
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:50

    With cloned MAC addresses on other peoples hacked routers through encrypted links borrowed from neighbours, tunneled over a number of other international SSH links and proxies just for good measure, the powers that be can and WILL find you if they really need to - it’s just a case of how hot you risk making those pipes - its the quiet, well-behaved back-doors that stay for longer :)

    Maybe aggregate traffic across a number of neighbours links and only use a portion of their bandwidth, and for the extra cautious, just tunnel over a protocol other than TCP/IP - maybe ICMP if possible?

    Using traffic-shaping and deep packet analysis, most of these larger ISPs have network operation centres that manage ‘bad-boy’ pipes for consistent high bandwidth users whose traffic shapes just show millions of destination packets within one or two routers of … oh its YOU!

    I agree with m0, if EVERYONE went out and bought a 24dB parabolic dish pointed at the closest densely-populated area then we can create super-LANs and bring back the wild-west fun that the internet was back in the beginning … just like CB radio was in the 80’s in the UK - god I am showing my age :)

  66. WhiteEagle
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:50

    First you want to get out of range of these insane thieves. Use vpn service. Here is one, which is free first 30 days:
    https://www.relakks.com/?lang=en
    The first good part about this one is, that like most torrent trackers nowadays it is in Sweden and the second good part is that its income goes directly to fund Swedish Pirate Party.

    Second you want to join a Pirate Party in your country, so you can fight back these thieving, dishonorable and not fair-playing burgher commoners from MPAA and RIAA and their hired minions in your country:
    http://www.pp-international.net/
    Like they say, put up or shut up. :D Right?

  67. GazmoX
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:52

    @159. O2 is owned by The Telefónica Group. Your safe for now!

  68. scouser
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:52

    they will end up doing private ftp sites before long back to the way it was full charge could this mean bbs in the old
    days lmao !!

  69. OrangO
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:05

    I think the UK government is living in the past with this sort of initiatives. As for BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse, IPSs, they get to increase there profits by saving on there monthly bandwidth usage. It is short sighted and is doomed to fail.

  70. Emma
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:11

    @161 i wish i’d downloaded The Happening too, jesus! My ticket was £5.90 tho..

    And back to all this crap, I personally believe that just because they wrote a few news stories about it, doesn’t mean they’ll actually bother enforcing it, they just need to LOOK like they care. But I’m all for going and sitting in McDonalds for an hour a day to get my movies if needs be! I hear my local Wetherspoons now has wifi too.

  71. priyal
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:25

    i have AOL am i safe to get speed racer

  72. Mr News
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:37

    http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/214896/isp-threatens-to-walk-out-of-illegal-filesharing-pact.html

    Friday 25th July 2008
    ISP threatens to walk out of illegal file-sharing pact 9:54AM, Friday 25th July 2008
    A deep rift is already emerging between the ISPs and music industry bodies who have agreed to clamp down on illegal file sharing.

    Yesterday, Britain’s six leading ISPs, the British Phonographic Institute and the Government signed a Memorandum of Understanding in which they pledged to “significantly reduce illegal file sharing”.

    However, there’s still a massive divide between ISPs and the BPI over how to punish repeat offenders, with the Carphone Warehouse telling PC Pro it would walk out on any deal which saw its customers’ broadband connections cut off.

    “The three strikes approach we’ve 100% ruled out,” the Carphone spokesman told us. “We won’t have anything to do with that.”

    “We will not disconnect or threaten to disconnect our customers. We will not divulge details of our customers to people like the BPI unless we get a specific court order to do so.”

    “What we have agreed to do is to write to our customers and advise them there’s been an alleged infringement. We’re very clear that we don’t know if that’s the case or not, we’ve just been told there has been and we want to advise them of that.

    “We certainly won’t pass over their details and we certainly won’t disconnect them.”

    Three strikes still on the table?

    Carphone’s

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    attitude is almost the polar opposite of the BPI’s, which told PC Pro yesterday that it still wants to see a ‘three strikes and you’re out’ punishment for repeat offenders.

    “All of the ISPs have agreed to engage with us in terms of tackling this issue for people who won’t respond to the letter,” a BPI spokesman said.

    “Most people don’t want their account used unlawfully and illegally, but clearly there are people that are well aware of what they’re doing and there needs to be a framework to tackle those people who won’t respond to a softly-softly approach.”

    “All sorts of things are on the table. We’ve been very clear that we believe a three-step graduated response is the most clean and effective way of doing that.”

    BPI “not happy” with the deal

    Other measures being considered to punish repeat offenders include throttling their connections and filtering their internet traffic. But Carphone Warehouse insists it’s prepared to walk away from the table if draconian measures are introduced.

    “Our priority is always to protect our customer. We will look at any sensible suggestion…. We haven’t got any plans to adopt any of those other measures at the moment,” the spokesman told us.

    “We won’t sign up for something we don’t agree with. It’s important to point out here this isn’t a BPI initiative.

    “The BPI isn’t happy with this approach. It wants a ‘three strikes and you’re out approach’ and I think it’s coming round to realise that - well certainly I can speak for TalkTalk and Carphone Warehouse - there’s no way that will happen. It may be other ISPs have said that to it [the BPI] as well.”

    BT refused to comment on its preferred means of dealing with repeat offenders, claiming that the group will “come to a view about the effectiveness of those [proposed] solutions.”

  73. death to greed
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:48

    Simple way for us to be heard. Spread the news via popular sites myspace / youtube / facebook / whatever. Next big movie to come out we all make it very clear to our peers not to go see it with a message to the movie/music industry. F**K with anymore this will happen more often. I know this sound like one of those no get gas days. But I promise you NO ONE has to go see one single movie to continue their lives. So I’m sure if we could band together enough people to not see a “blockbuster” hit for a whole weekend. It might just send out a little message. I know there will be naysayers but just a idea I had to have our voices heard.

  74. Achilles
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:49

    My comments:

    As a Virgin user I pay a lot of cash for 20mb broadband and if they are not satisfying that commitment from their end, then I will be taking legal action to recover any cash I see fit.

    I do not want a letter coming to my house saying that they are reducing my speed when I pay for 20mb - that is against their own T&C’s so I would advise they do not do that.

    ALSO… one word for all the people concerned in regards to this

    RAPIDSHARE

    You pay them for your links boys and girls with a monthly payment for your rap-account, you download from their private server… lets see the ISP’s stop people using that service then!

  75. mrborat
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:50

    we need the joker to save our downloading souls
    burn baby burn

  76. Slam
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:54

    You know what, I from the UK and I think I speak for a lot of us when I say…

    …WHATEVER!!!

    These sort of things doesn’t, won’t and will never ever inconvenience me one bit. Half of the stuff I download wouldn’t have been worth paying for anyway, so you tell me who’s ripping off whom?? All this is; is a desperate attempt for companies to keep hold of their stakeholders whilst profits in their industry continue to plummet. I’m the sort of person where; if it’s worth buying, I probably already have. And if the box office didn’t collect what one expected don’t blame the P2P networks blame the product…

    … What!! You all thought that English people don’t have taste…?

    …Think again!!
    It’s going to take a ton more than a cliché flick or sound to incise us to budge us from our trusty scene. And think of a better way of controlling us because, let’s face it. Pirates are a lot smarter and will always come up with something.

    P.S. My 1st ever comment, sorry but I could resist responding to this thread.

  77. idiocracy
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:09

    Give them everything, all controls of ur life, ur money, ur future…
    they know everything

  78. Bob
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:23

    Who the fook still downloads at home?

    Work FTW…. dedicated high bandwidth connection, no chance of getting caught= :D

  79. anon
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:23

    right i’m on virgin what exactly will happen if i download torrents like meet dave or the dark knight?

  80. a
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:31

    my iSP isnt lisred there :)

  81. deepcover
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:33

    @162..this is exactly how this stupid little scheme is set up!

    make sure you filter your packets and the BPI will not be sending your ip to the ISP’s!

    The ISP’s are making a token gesture to shut the whining, greedy pigs up. The UK and its main ISP’s are pro net neutrality, so will resist this type of rubbish.

    Eventually things will be shut down though, buy those wimax routers people…

    The people will rise up and build their own network, screw big brother and the greedy corporations! The true web 2.0 will be the darknet created by the people, for the people!!

  82. Loony
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:34

    lmao @ 171

    lmao @ 179

  83. X
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:42

    Fact: If you’re British, this law scares you (more or less).

    Now, you’re all behaving like a sheep herd and this British .gov has assumed the role of the sheep dog, herding you in the direction it chooses.

    So much for intelligence.

    PS: Not meant to insult the population of the UK.

  84. X
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:45

    @171: If you wear a condom, you’re safe; you won’t get it.
    @179: The boogeyman will haunt your dreams.

  85. VLad
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:49

    The ISp’s are loving this, they do not have the infrastructure to offer the connection speeds they sell i.e. if you are paying for 10mbs then you will be lucky to see 2 or 3 mbs.
    They now have a legitimate excuse to throttle your connection.(which they already have started!)
    So one big question, why pay for the premium service to receive an inferior one.
    The first thing I am going to do is stop paying for the top of the range(never ever delivered) service.
    Next i will get the slowest AND cheapest connection.
    Next I will get a cloned modem.
    So now I still get top speeds!
    I am paying less!
    I am now less likely to get caught as I will be using someone else MAC
    One other thing, Virgin has no idea what people are doing, most of their customers have chipped cable boxes and many have cloned modems. The whole cable infrastructure is just a joke.
    So I doubt very much that any of the threats we have heard here today will come to pass.
    Some posters I read are commenting from America.
    Honestly, you are not better off, the corporations there have owned your asses for years.

    Oh one last thing, I use https://www.relakks.com/
    People will never lie down to this blatant attempt to control the net and ultimately us.

  86. wait for better copy
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:55

    @171 and @179

    Just download them, it’s only a letter coming through your door not Michael Jackson.

  87. X
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:57

    @185: 1 bit =/= 1 byte; 8 bits = 1 byte. 10Mbps = 10Megabits/second = 1.25Megabytes/second (max line capacity).

  88. Moviefreak
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:01

    Let me get this right. Are the ISPs going to monitor the amount of downloads and chastise me for the amount or actually monitor the files? If its the files, how do they know whats in it if the title is non-specific and the contents are zipped? Put simply, how do they know mt download is legal or illegal?

  89. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:03

    Hi,
    Will using Peer guardian offer any protection from this as mentioned in a previous post but not answered.

  90. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:10

    And can anyone vocuh for the safety of relakks?
    It sounds good.
    Cheers

  91. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:16

    What’s the best way to protect yourself on the net from prying eyes.I mean i feel that i pay for an INTERNET SERVICE and if there happen to be torrent sites full of music and movies then i am entitled to use that as part of THE INTERNET SERVICE,it’s not my fault these sites exist so why should i be punished for using them?

  92. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:17

    Ooh appears from their website that relakks won’t work with vista sp1??

  93. stackers
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:17

    this is slightly off topic,but if you think this is bad u guys should check out link below , no idea how reliable the source is
    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/canada_net_censorship.html

  94. Apollo
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:23

    Will the last person to leave Britain please turn off the lights!

  95. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:33

    Could someone please answer my fuc-king questions please?

  96. Evi1eye
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:35

    Hey what i can…. All those who are using or downloading… With a government like this I think we should return are thanks to the Labour government. Anyone over 18 and has the right to vote, I think its a change of power?? Dont you… Let just vote them right out of control. Its either get them out of power this government or become like China!!! Anyone in Favour? Just add your name to this list..

    Evileye.. Your not getting my vote Labout.

    Copy it and paste i and your name if you agree:

    regards all

  97. errr
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:42

    Lol, what’s next? a filter that wont allow encrypted packets? or a filter that de-encrypt the packets? you’ll never know ^,^

  98. deepcover
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:49

    Yes! Peer guardian should protect you from this somewhat ;)

    The ISP’s are not currently monitoring connections, they have just agreed to send letters to customers whose IP addresses have been identified by the BPI!

    The information from the ISP cannot be released to a third party, without a criminal investigation, under the data protection act.

    If you are worried about downloading stuff, just go and do a lesser crime like stabbing someone or mugging a granny :P

  99. Leroy Snape
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:50

    Hi People. Just come back from serving my sentence for downloading “stuff” My punishment was to be shrunk down to the size of a fly and then was inserted into Mr Richard Bransons beard, which i had to clean. I wouldnt have minded much, as i expected balloon rides n that, but, unfortunately he is a close friend of Max Mosely so it was bottom chomping all the way (in German) Lates Tates n bless you all

  100. vivas
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:00

    I think I’ll be okay for now, as I get loads of music, movies, games etc using rapidshare and megaupload not from P2P, its totally worth it. Its a lot better than using P2P, it may cost more as its not free, but I get great speeds which is all that matters.

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