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UK: tougher piracy laws, blacklists of pirates

Six of the UK’s biggest net providers have agreed a plan with the music industry to tackle piracy online. The deal, negotiated by the government, will see hundreds of thousands of letters sent to net users suspected of illegally sharing music. Hard core file-sharers could see their broadband connections slowed, under measures proposed by the UK government. BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse have all signed up. Geoff Taylor, chief executive of the BPI, which represents the music industry, said: “All of the major ISPs in the UK now recognise they have a responsibility to deal with illegal file-sharers on their networks.” The plan commits the firms to working towards a “significant reduction” in the illegal sharing of music.

In addition to this chance, parents whose children download music and films illegally will be blacklisted and have their internet access curbed under government reforms to fight online piracy. Households that ignore warnings will be subjected to online surveillance and their internet speeds will be reduced, making it very difficult for them to download large files. The measures, the first of their kind in the world, will be announced today by Baroness Vadera, who brokered the deal between internet service providers and Ofcom, the telecoms body. About 6.5 million Britons are thought to have downloaded music illegally last year. It has been estimated that illegal downloads will cost the music industry alone £1 billion over the next five years.

Source: Times, BBC

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  1. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:05

    lol good job my connection isnt my connection ;)

  2. Meso
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:05

    All whats going to happen is people will migrate to an isp that are against this sort of thing.

  3. Street
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:06

    It won’t work…Didn’t they try this already?

  4. o
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:06

    lol@UK

  5. THEMOZZER420
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:07

    sucks to be british today.

  6. Xyu
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:09

    Wow! broadband in UK is already a joke (your lucky if you get 1/10 of the promised speed), now with this agreement nothing gonna hold ISPs to cut the speed to everyone – why waste bandwidth? we’ll charge the same price but will give even less then before and if someone complains, we’ll tell “you’ve been suspecting in downloading illegal stuff, read our policy”.

    B.S. this is!

  7. chippie
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:10

    then in that case the internet providers will be losing one hell of a lot of customers then their problem

  8. PBoy
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:10

    my isp is Virgin bloody hell I have had a letter already saying my connect will be slowed down but not for piracy …. I just use it a lot lol

    Cheers
    PBoy

  9. randomer
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:10

    lol. its already in action, with tiscali at least. if you go over your ‘fair usage’ they slow your speeds down and send e-mails. now theyre going to send letters as well? what a waste of paper. they ahvent, and probably wont, crack down on it very harshly. the courts cant handle the current amount of crimes, let alone 6.5million more ;)

    and only virgin users will feel hard done by, the others can be beaten on price and performance by several other companies

  10. Victor
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:11

    What ever happened to not messing with what is in the tubes?

  11. Lefty
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:14

    here is a question i never asked before. how safe is newsgroups? even using a SSL connection?

  12. Jumpin5oy
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:16

    here is a question i never asked before. how safe is newsgroups? even using a SSL connection?

  13. matthew
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:16

    hopefully they dont do stuff like this in america..
    im always dl movies from this site

  14. John
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:17

    LOL @ rlslog and their blatant copypasta.

    You’d think with only posting 10 releases a day, they’d have time to type a paragraph. Guess not.

    See original (read: identical) story here.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7522334.stm

    For a site that posts nothing BUT releases (and none of this digg/alt. news junk), see below.

    http://www.phazedemon.com

  15. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:17

    lmao i already screwed virgin and ntl before them, they havent got a clue as to is really using there internet ffs.

  16. chippie
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:18

    america will follow soon dont worry about it they anit getting away with it

  17. anon
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:19

    bit stupid isn’t it i mean how many people using the internet dont download? that question might aswell be a rhetorical one because the answer is no-one everyone at one time in their life has downloaded and just because ISPs have said they will slow connections and send letters (very scary ^o) doesnt mean people will stop downloading songs and films its inadequate and totally pointless

  18. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:20

    @ 11/12 ssl is totally secure its not called ssl for nothing, right!

  19. davyjones
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:20

    i like how they say “top” all those isps are total rubbish

  20. A.Bundy
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:21

    its just gonna end up underground. they cant trace encrypted packets. fukcin wanks.

  21. anon
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:22

    just read the news bbc article and read it is just about music (correct me if i’m wrong) but what about the music videos on youtube surely most people know that you can download videos from youtube is this classed as piracy?

  22. ricko
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:23

    anyone know of a good ISP that wont be subject to this police state system? “online surveillance”. arnt we spyed on enough? anyway they wont stop me, they would have to put me away first, and if they do that im sure they have internt in prison :D

  23. HDpunk
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:23

    wow, sucks to be british

  24. lane
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:26

    tis just music at first i think….do people still p2p for music?
    i havent done that for many years, ever since blogs,storage sites started being used to potential.

  25. SccS
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:27

    @ StOoPiD m8 just cause you got a cloned modem dont think ur safe. that puts you top of the target list ;) they can tract every modem on the network to the connection in the green box in your street. so soon as the legit subscriber gets a letter and complains they will be knocking your door.

  26. Death260
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:28

    piracy is impossible to stop, in my opinion they have only two ways:
    1- Cut the prices of games, movies, etc, because they are too expensive. People won’t pay that much when it’s very easy to get it through internet.
    2- Don’t cut the prices, keep doing this kind of things, and they’ll get only more and more piracy.

    It’s as simple as that.

  27. SccS
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:31

    ohh and ssl only encrypts the data in stream the server still logs all the information. quite easy to get a court order to force the server owners to cough up the server logs.

    its quite simple.
    if you cant do the time don’t do the crime.

  28. magnus
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:31

    here in australia certain isps have started blocking popular torrent trackers to try and stay in line with threats made to them over piracy by their users. All i did was churn to another company. Problem solved.

  29. freedom
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:32

    just another step to 1984. why dont you guys rise up and pull a guy fawkes.

    a lot of these people need to die…

  30. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:32

    I’m in the UK, I went to a party 2 weeks ago, They are on NTL/Virgin. I turn the modem over I have a MAC addy, I go home and program my modem with that MAC Addy and force MAX speed config on it. My point is that the poor sap who’s MAC I just cloned is gonna get it, not me. ISPs need to wise up pure and simple!

  31. John
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:34

    why people would still be using P2P is beyond me. Kazaa, Limewire, and Direct Connect are a few examples and are 3 that should definitely be avoided. I havent used P2P in like 6 years and would never use it again. No matter how many attempts are made to impede this sort of thing they’ll never stop it. They should worry about more critical internet issues like the pedophiles roaming around on the net.

  32. im stealing your ints
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:34

    eventually half the country will be stealing their next door neighbours wireless.

  33. John
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:36

    and the only true way to stop this is to cut off internet totally. Not gonna happen.

  34. Hmm
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:38

    “My point is that the poor sap who’s MAC I just cloned is gonna get it, not me.”

    The BPI record IPs, not MAC addresses. So that won’t make the slightest bit of difference.

  35. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:39

    SccS I know what you are are saying bud but see my post above, Its happening everywhere, peeps will get letters they know nothing about.

  36. john
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:39

    question you think comcast will do this?

  37. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:40

    Hmm the IP is not registered to me dummy ffs.

  38. John
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:42

    @12 Newsgroups are totally legal anyways. There basic use is for just as there called News. But eventually files were allowed to be uploaded to NewsGroups. Even ISP’s have a newsgroup server address that you can use. Some are unlimited but like mine for example only allow 250 mbs a day. Check your ISP to see what there news address is and what the limit is easch day if there is any.

  39. Hmm
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:43

    “Hmm the IP is not registered to me dummy ffs.”

    So you’re connecting via someone else’s internet account? I think you misunderstand. If you’re connecting to the internet through your own home’s phone line, through an ISP which you pay for, your online activity is visible just like anyone else’s. No matter if you change the MAC address of your hardware.

  40. ricko
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:44

    silly thing of me to buy the internet of a record label “virgin”. i realy think virgin are trying to take over the world. i think most stuff downloaded from the internt are tv shows.

    mind u i dont download much music, ive never bought a music CD in my life and never intend to, the price is stupidly high. also i think it hurts the music industry to have that much money, music is about art not money.

    we could all do with less britney spears

  41. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:44

    @ 34 I just re-read what you said and laughed my ass off! LMAO

  42. John
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:45

    Comcast did it to me when I was using Direct Connect. Someone downloaded a few files from a game I had in my share. Few weeks later I received a letter stating to remove the files from the internet. They even had my user tag stated in the letter.

  43. Hmm
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:46

    “@ 34 I just re-read what you said and laughed my ass off! LMAO”

    Care to elaborate, smart-a­ss?

  44. m0
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:47

    just use a high gain antenna & find an open network…chances if you use a 24db+ antenna, a router like a linksys w/ DD-wrt…and just spoof your MAC/clone it…as well as only use certain ‘hotspots’ for your official buisness (like personal email, etc) and other hotspots for your dirty work….it’ll be pretty hard to find the person ‘responsible’ for piracy. stupid, stupid, stupid authoritarians….

  45. BigDawg500
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:48

    The New World Order strikes again!!!

  46. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:50

    @ Hmm.
    Whats a phone line? Did I ever say I was connected via one?
    SccS hit the nail on the head,You just think you know better(which you do not cable is totally different).

  47. Zack
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:51

    Oh wow. Only $1B every 5 years? Considering the much larger amount they make yearly (Assuming the profits that is), that is kinda ridiculous. When will they realise that acting, being a music artist, etc. is no different if not easier then the much more difficult jobs out there. Someone that shows up, wears a “poker face”, and reads gets 40x more then a Firefighter for Bedside Nurse. Those are the tuff hard-@$$ jobs, and the most deadly. Yet they get paid so much lower.

  48. DUNNY IS KING
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:51

    best thing to do now is just take ya laptop to McDonalds n use their free Wireless Net. ;p

  49. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 01:56

    @Hmm,
    basically I can have as many IP’s as I like (change mac addy etc) each IP is allocated by the ISP to a particular modem.
    Put it this way if I change MAC Addy I get a new IP, got it?
    BPI can log as many IP’s as they want but its never “mine”

  50. DUNNY IS KING
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:01

    StOoPiD is right. cable users have set ip’s unlike AOL which changes. thats why its easier for virgin to track people with this new downloadin ban bollox. change the MAC get a new ip means its harder to find you.

  51. Alexander
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:08

    “to deal with illegal file-sharers”

    And who are the legal one?

  52. mfc
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:12

    I POSTED THIS HOURS AGO :( :P

  53. common sense
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:14

    Do any of you “naa they cant find me” dweebs think for one bloody second that they cant find you if they wanted to? There is NO foolproof way to block you from someone locating you. I mean get real. They find one section of the country has a lot of downloading and they start encrypting the accounts and poof, your hot spots vanish and then what are you going to do smartarse? I have seen FCC trucks moving about in neighborhoods chasing down signals from people who run overpowered radios. Now if they can do this, what makes you think that they cannot do the same thing and sniff out hot spots and shut them down? And I will bet that Europe will not be far behind on this.

    Gee really SUCKS to be British today now don’t it?

  54. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:14

    @ DUNNY IS KING

    Yay someone who understands ffs.

  55. chris
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:17

    if virgin is against music downloads, why do they offer binary news on there newsgroups? as well as offering speeds of 20mb and soon to be 40mb? its just gona encourage more and more downloading of pirate material, because that new film thats out in the cinema, is a 10min download away!!

  56. sleazy joe
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:19

    Stuff like this makes me glad I’m moving out of the UK later this year, seems like England is politically and economically heading in a bad direction at the moment. I think the current UK government is overall just as bad as the Bush administration, maybe even worse.

  57. zarathustra
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:19

    Somebody kill that bloody Baroness Vadera beyatch…

  58. VoV
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:22

    Estimated “LOSS” of One Billion Pounds??!!!

    Hello?! You never had the money in the first place, it’s not like if we couldn’t download the movies and songs we’d actually spend our cash on your crap!!

    Let me list what I’ve downloaded recently:
    Speed Racer (R5)
    The Dark Knight (TS)
    Meet Dave (R5)
    And a bunch of TV Shows …

    Ok, so I don’t specifically pay for the TV Shows, I pay for Cable, and some are Cable Shows, so I already paid for those whether I download them or not. I did see The Dark Knight in theaters and I’ll probably buy the DVD when it comes out …

    But Meet Dave & Speed Racer … I wouldn’t have even RENTED the DVDs when they came out!! There’s very little loss!

    I download maybe (BIG MAYBE) ONE song a month on average, and most of my music is from CD’s I used to own that I ripped to MP3, backed up, and then sold the CD’s! I haven’t bought a CD since 1997!!!

    I know I’m not the only one like this! Something like 20% of the Music Industry’s income comes from Advertising placement, and another 35% from TV & Movie scores … that’s more than HALF the industry’s income.

    If they really want to make more money, start making better music!!

  59. O71G
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:23

    @Hmm
    I do sort of agree with what your saying but don’t forget this is not the BPI that will be logging this. I understood this was going to be down to the ISP. They DO and I know this for a fact have the ability to trace ghost modems on the networks. This is not as simple as sitting in the office and running a trace but it can be done.
    Example:

    Your live in a area without local business centre’s etc and start downloading at unlimited speeds (which again is very very simple to do with cable) they will start to notice and start a hard trace.

    If you don’t take the p!ss then you’ll be ok. If the ISP’s do all follow suit around the world, the internet will become one giant net nanny clone!!!

    I saw this coming a mile off, this has been long planned and I really don’t think this has anything to do with copyright infringment. This is just another step towards complete controll.

    I think the time to make our voices heard is now people.

    Blast BBC with as many neg comments on this and how we are loosing our rights to privacy.

    **Rant over!!

    O71G

  60. Monoxide
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:25

    Ok i know i’ll probably sound like a NOOB as some of you like to put it lol! but could someone please be kind enough and try help me understand this a little better!when they say they are clamping down on this stuff is it just for say for example Limewire , kazza , edonkey, torrents and p2p stuff like that! As i have a premium account on rapidshare i’ve always thought thats a bit dodgy as you have to give ya bank details to pay for that lol so could some one please help me out and lay it down for me am i still gonna get my butt kicked by the goverment for downloading from rapidshare lol

  61. mickey d
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:26

    Dont you just feel sorry for the music industry losing out on all this money

  62. sleazy joe
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:27

    Also, Baroness Vadera sounds like the name of some evil Nazi scientist from an Ilsa movie. This is the 21st century and baronesses still oppress the masses? WTF? How can people even consider themselves free when their country still has goddamn barons and baronesses? So much for democracy. I hope some day the people pull a Russian Revolution on their royal hinds…

  63. common sense
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:27

    @57 Joe do you think it is going to get better in whatever country you move to? If they do it in England, what makes you think they cannot go to the EU and demand they do it all over the EU members? And with the anti pirate groups popping up in Europe and South East Asia/Australia, dont think for one second that they cannot get you there either.

    As I stated earlier, all you “they cant find me” script kiddies who think you are hackers are going to get a very rude wake up call as they will catch you sooner or later (if they can get heads and memberships in cracking groups and they are really hard to get, you wont even be a speed bump) so all of you that believe that you are safe and cant be touched; just remember that when they come knocking on your doors.

  64. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:28

    rapidshare, kazza, limewire they know what you got so….

  65. zarathustra
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:31

    “[...]business minister Baroness Vadera ‘is not a fit and proper person for job’”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510487/Tories-say-new-business-minister-Baroness-Vadera-fit-proper-person-job.html

  66. lol
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:34

    @14 – no digg/alt news?? 3 articles down on that site u have the ‘google launches knol’ article – everything on that site copys this one.. wanna talk about copy/paste!! fake ass rlslog clone.. and wtf, rlslog credits the article at the end, “Source: Times, BBC” lol

  67. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:34

    @ VoV, O71G Well said!

  68. mrborat
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:38

    ive poo in my pants,what happens if you have a chipped broadband box ,will mr richard branson come n get me oh so hot so spicey ,hottt hottttt
    what else is fun to do on the internet besides downloading popular music n movie films,i know who wants 2 play me at pool on msn………………………….not

  69. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:40

    LMAO @ 69

  70. Adda
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:42

    Poor Brits!

  71. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:44

    #69 sounds like my local shopkeeper lol ;)

  72. bokka
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:48

    doe sit include aol i think in uk they have moved to carphoen warehouse connection plz i luv my downloads :(

  73. GazmoX
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:54

    I think I’ll give Relakks ago (www.relakks.com). Can’t hide the volume of downloads, but at least my ISP will have no idea of what I’m downloading.

    “Relakks provides services to help individuals to assure the security and integrity of their information. Relakks’ responsibility stems from the strong Swedish tradition of protecting the integrity of private life and all forms of communication between individuals.”

  74. StOoPiD
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:00

    LOL @ 74

  75. Dairy Queen
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:11

    LOUD NOISES

  76. Jasper
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:12

    Good thing America has capitalism here, and companies worry more about their profits than about stopping piracy.

    American ISP’s won’t voluntarily give up their paying customers just to help another industry.

  77. code-6
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:13

    code-6.org for all your S/KVCD’s

  78. Lorne
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:23

    Thank You GazmoX for the information about Relakks.

  79. dragus
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:26

    whatever happens hit them in the pocket book stop buying there music and movies even after they inforce this show them they can’t bully us around anylonger!!!

  80. mfc
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:32
  81. igl
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:36

    okay.. so we start encrypting our stuff now :> uk is lol anyhow. Kick em’ out of the EU and let them be the 51st state.

  82. mfc
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:38

    Wanted.[2008.Eng].Telesync.DivX-LTT.avi
    ***************************************
    > FiLE.INFO
    >
    > TiTLE……[ Wanted
    > YEAR…….[ 2008
    > GENRE……[ Action | Drama | Thriller
    > RUNTiME….[ 1:42:02
    > iMDB RATE..[ User Rating: 7.4/10 (27,440 votes)
    > iMDB URL…[ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493464/

    > AUDiO……[ MP3 CBR 128 kb/s 48000Hz J-Stereo
    > LANGUAGE…[ ENGLISH
    > SUBS…….[ NONE
    > ViDEO……[ 821 kbps DivX 25.000 Fps
    > RESOLUTiON.[ 624 x 240
    > DAR……..[ 2.600 (13:5)
    > FiLES……[ 1 for 1 CD
    > SiZE…….[ 699 MB (716,656 KB / 733,855,744 bytes)

  83. alternate
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:38

    when the isp’s income drops because of migration to other isp’s or just dropping accounts altogether, they’ll be rethinking their actions. most isp plans are too big for “normal” internet use, I don’t anyone that would use 80gigs of email a month.

  84. Rap
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:41

    Now offering 1 million dollars to report piracy….

    http://www.siia.net/piracy/report.asp?gclid=CPDql6GB2pQCFQKfnAodi304qg

    If u want your internet freedom then report RSLOG to the authority and put martin in prison…He is stealing Music/Movie monies…The day has come now you can get some of his money in your pocket…

  85. Jim Belushi
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:42

    What i do not get is if everybody is effen stealing from the internet then “why is there an effen internet” in the first place?

    Internet was all about communication, now if all the free world is gonna be monitored and metered on usage then what is the point as i said.

    People will lose their freedom and stuff…at least in canada some government people investigated bandwith throttling from the companies and are actually trying to do somethign about it.

    Now it seems that companies are dictating to ISP what to do and the isp just turn around and just obey like yellow belly bastard in fear of getting sued…so who pays for greedy people..the ordinary bloke…

    adn to top it off what do you put your stuff on when you wanna save it? Cd’s and DVD’s which sony is selling by the gazillion by now probably, but they won’t tell you that they makes tons of money on blank media but they will complain if somebody steal their movie which you would have paid 10$ for anyway…what a bunch of hypocrites…

    i just say put a decent copyright tax on blank media to everyone and let the pirating happen…share the copyright tax with the companies and tell them to go f themselves off..at least then they got some money instead of nothing…

    peace and justice!!

  86. craig
    July 25th, 2008 | 03:57

    first jim belushi-canada has never investigated any pirating or downloading practices, we have human rights protecting us and thats what brits are gonna realize-that monitoring internet usage is a violation of privacy and human rights laws-p2p is not illegal which is what most sites practice under, private download sites r usually heavily encrypted and pretty much untraceable as they operate overseas where local government can’t control-only if the site is within their country can they penalize for it-trust me this will never fly and noone will be punished for what has already happened for years, slowing ip will do nothing-there r many programs out there to hide your ip and if u download alot u already know this, good luck britain ur downloads r safe!

  87. Gizmosis
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:00

    I wonder… if they monitor my broadband connection to such an extent that they can tell where i’m surfing isn’t that the same as tapping my phone line?? And if there gonna tap my phone they need a warrant …so to monitor my broadband do they need to obtain a warrant from a judge?? Gonna be a lot of paperwork.. Also do we not have any privacy in the Uk or are we now a political police state with our head stuck up the arze of every E.E.C. minister?? Europe says jump and we ask how high. !!

  88. bokka
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:08

    AOL IN UK USES CARPHONE WAREHOUSE CONNECTION RIGHT? BUT WILL I STILL BE ABLE TO DL WITH AOL PLZ HELP SUM1

  89. Crinan
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:08

    Who cares i use virgin for ma internet fone and telly if they wanna screw me im sure i can screw them back the reason thev been reluctant to do it in the past is coz they know they’ll lose money.So go ahead im sure theres a way around it.

  90. bokka
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:20

    aol are the biggest money munchers out their

  91. Cyberhash
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:31

    There’s none of it illegal. Your isp can monitor anything when they feel like it sadly.

    Oh and each tap in the street that your modem is connected to is addressable, just to clear that up :)

  92. Jasper
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:37

    People in the UK were saying for years that this whole European Union thing was a bad idea. Now look what is happening.

    England, pull out of the EU while you still have a chance!

  93. Freak
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:40

    Electronic Arts Record Profits, Activision Record Profits, Vivendi, (Music and Games) record profits, Apple Ipods and Itunes, record profits, Console sales up 54% in 12months, record profits…. Batman and Ironman smashed box office records…..

    If piracy is the number ONE cause of profits declining for the music/movie and game industries. Than why aren’t they declining? And surely we the pirates should be applauded for how piracy has brought them all record profits today?

    The good news is if you destroy piracy, you destroy record profits…. Prove me wrong!

  94. davey
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:46

    this is messed up man will peergardin stop this?

  95. b
    July 25th, 2008 | 04:52

    its good to be in germany
    as supreme court has ruled traffic monitoring to be unlawful starting this year ISP are not allow to monitor net traffic
    so it wont happen here (Hopefully)

  96. j
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:30

    StOoPiD

    your caught LOSER

  97. Anthony
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:31

    So how much more will it take for people to organize and stand up by using their votes to send a message no politician will ever forget? Vote the entire current ruling party of your country out of office at the next election. Make it clear in the media and on the internet why it’s being done. That and only that will make the public’s stance on this issue clear.

    War, poverty and freedom of speech aren’t the issues at hand in our times. It’s our very freedom that’s at stake once again. As with the past only a total revolution will effect change. The real terrorists are in political office, running our countries and our lives. Stand up now, or leave a future for generations to come that will make the Orwellian world of 1984 looking like a paradise.

  98. QuadrupelQ
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:43

    Welcome to Nazi Britain, where big corporations decide what you can do on the internet.

    Of course, it will never work. And they all know that. They (government and bussiness) have to spank each others monkey to keep each other happy, but none of them really enjoy it.

    F**k it, let’s see what I can download today…

  99. sober
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:44

    @ 94 Freak, I’ve thought the same thing.

    @ 95 davey, only if you block the whole net.

    And I still say, for every download, there’s a potential customer.

  100. QuadrupelQ
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:44

    Oh yeah, the same goes for other countries too…

  101. independence is dead..
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:47

    Forget standing up and protesting, you guys are just wusses and that does not accomplish anything this day and age as does so-called ‘voting’. It’s people with power and money that have influence in government.

    The blood of these ruling oppressors need to be spilled…

  102. independence is dead..
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:54

    damn right

  103. bye bye ISP's
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:55

    Well, It looks like the smaller ISP’s are going to be receiving new client$. lol

  104. sober
    July 25th, 2008 | 05:57

    @ 104

    Lol, what can I say.

  105. burnthisb1tch
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:00

    wtf barons? fuking barons!

    this baroness b1tch needs a good thrusting in the a55.

  106. ricko
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:04

    i must agree Anthony give the people what they want for example the British people didn’t want to go to war, yet we went anyway. it seems like the govement is doing what they think is best for us, like we cant be trusted. The govement wants to breed stupid people who are in debit, are freedom of speech is being taken away from us. we can no longer protest near parliament (half-mile radius), also if you ever get arested in the UK for any reason even if ur wrongly arested can take ur fingerprints and DNA for the database. The govement wants to introduce identity cards.

    are freedoms are being taken away from us and were not doing anything about it, people are in debit and tryed, working 24/7.

    we have no money as it but they want to make us spend more by stopping freedom of infomation on the internt.

    the same thing happened to raido, radio used to be a communication between normal people, untill they took control. then we could no longer transmit are own raido.
    the same thing will happen to the Internet, they want to take control of it because they are afraid of it.

    sorry for the bad spelling – i feel ashamed to be british today

  107. speaker
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:11

    If you people just keep whining about it and not physically do anything, these acts of the government and businesses will just keep running rampant.

    Anyway, I just jerked off to a googled picture of Baroness Vadera.

  108. truth
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:12

    If you people just keep whining about it and not physically do anything, these acts of the government and businesses will just keep running rampant.

    I just jerked off to a googled picture of Baroness Vadera. TMI?

  109. truth
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:14

    damn it..
    Just kidding ’bout the jerking thing.. but she did give me a boner.

  110. joe7
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:17

    surely the way to go is encrypted files on servers like rapidshare with random file names ? rapidshare will not know whats in the file or your isp..

  111. LoL
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:38

    Steal a car and they do nothing.
    “Steal” (if you can call that stealing, rather copying) a CD – and you’re screwed for life.

    God, what the world has came to?

  112. PT
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:42

    PIRACY IS GOOD: IS LIKE SEX!

  113. angel9
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:46

    They mostly blacklist the obvious P2P bittorrent I would think. I don’t see why people dont use my idea when it comes to that, when uploading a movie/music to a torrent, don’t label the movie/music FILE with the obvious copyrighted name but something else like 123 and rar the dam thing, its not like they’ll know waht it is , and label the actual name the website description page, their networks wont pick that up ~_~.

    People can always use Direct DL sites like rapidshare, so on ect which isnt p2p, easy way to DL. I’m prety sure they’ll block it since, most of the names of artists are on the archives, so their networks will pick it up. So goodluck Uk O_o

    Glad im the US, DL whatever what I want and unlimited ^^, if only they offer more dam Upload speed here.

  114. soo...
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:48

    well, feel free in the US while you still can.

  115. WTF
    July 25th, 2008 | 06:58

    nothing to worry about really
    few hints tho:
    a.search and study your rights, be prepared.
    b.HIDE your collection, i ve met many stupid kids keeping Tbs of music and movies in multiple HDs in their computer.There is no need for that, after downloading a movie or a cd just use external storage and hide it someplace else inside your home.Noone will bother with u if they find only one or two illegal files in your computer.Encrypting files wont work for obvious reasons.

    Stoping piracy is like wishing for worldpeace.Will never happen.

  116. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:09

    It dosn’t matter where you are, if it succeeds in the UK, you can guarantee global business will push for implementation everywhere they can.

    Only one way to beat big business don’t give them your money or allow the collusion of Corprates and govenments to erode your civil liberties.

    We can either roar like the lions or bleat like the lambs
    We are the many they are the few.

    As Ice Cube says:

    You gotta get em up (who wants some?)
    You better get em up (come get some!)

  117. KRIEGHOFF
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:18

    The music industry has been committing legal piracy for years, ripping everyone off with CD prices. The ISP’s in question advertise switch to us and get so many GB’s a month, thats 50 films 3,000 music tracks, ETC,ETC, I imagine Tiscali and the others will be flooded with requests for MAC codes.
    The nanny state is alive and well

  118. Tom Byron
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:19

    What about bittorrent encryption ? and forcing it both ways ?

  119. Tom Byron
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:21

    And using blocklists in utorrent from http://www.bluetack.co.uk

  120. hahahaha
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:27

    WOW circumvention of the UK’s Data Protection Act
    If this happens get ready for lawsuits a plenty – LMAO.

  121. someclown
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:35

    Is encryption forbidden in the uk?
    If not it will work for storing files even in the uk.
    Google “Truecrypt Plausible Deniability”!

  122. gav
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:35

    Glad i changed from Virgin to Be now. :D

  123. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 07:37
  124. DaLoon
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:00

    Well i get caped already , 6pm till about 11:30ish pm it down to 512k , that ok i dont mind that i am all for fare usage but this crap they say they going to do and some are doing F that, if i get capped all the day an night i ll just stop using internet , ok i like to play online games so that would hurt a bit buy MEH, like what has been said why have 40gig or 60gig usage packages LIKE anyone use’s that much emailing not even if you played online games an watch vids all day on youtube would you use that in a month :lol:

  125. Biffo the Bear
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:01

    I don’t think the big ISPs give a damn about piracy. They see this as an easy, legitimate way to get rid of big users. They’ve been trying to do that for years anyway; they don’t want big users, they want big payers who do a bit of surfing, never stream, d/l a couple of music tracks, and go to bed at 9 p.m., having spent an hour a day on the Net. Easy money for £15 (30 Yankee dollars, 20 euros) a month.

  126. Loony
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:01

    …Frack the System….

    Smell it….Smell it… Now Take it!!!! :p

  127. Chunk Buttcheek
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:01

    what nobody seems to have mentioned here is that while the 6 isp’s have signed up to this plan, NONE of them have said they will actually cancel anyone’s internet account.

    all that will happen is that you will get a letter.

    that’s it.

    no legal action. no removing your connection.

    a letter.

    they may want to give the impression they’re “fighting piracy” but they still want to take your money for your monthly internet sub.

  128. Porkchopster
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:08

    welcome to 1984

    where is V to save us all? still in Brazil?

  129. Kim
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:09

    And it will only happen if you download alot via torrents, not if you use a file hosting site.
    And if it happened to me I’d ring them up and complain and say I’d been using the BBC iPlayer alot because that uses P2P sharing.

  130. King
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:16

    ISP’s can’t legally open every packet sent and recieved, like royal mail opening every envolope. It’s an invasion of privacy.

  131. Loony
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:17

    I believe that the fight will never end between the industry and the File sharing networks-users.

    Frack em… They opened the Pandora’s Box (Internet),
    and now they want it just 4 them. lmao

    Screw you “little” industries… “losing” your billion’s..

    I’m holding on to them for safekeeping!!!!!!!!!! lmao

  132. anomynous
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:24

    Stand up for your rights and do something about it, don’t just roll over and submit…

  133. Mirchel
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:26

    it’s time to encrypt all network traffic…

  134. lock
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:35

    http://www.bethere.co.uk offer up to 24Mb connection for £18 with unlimited usage. and they’re not on the hit list yet…

  135. DrMatta
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:47

    @14
    Seriously, who gives a sh*t?

  136. Jonathan Riggly
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:51

    Jasper said:

    Good thing America has capitalism here, and companies worry more about their profits than about stopping piracy.

    American ISP’s won’t voluntarily give up their paying customers just to help another industry.

    I say:

    It’s not the ISP’s that will take our freedom’s in America. It will be industry lobbyists that will slip a few lines in some unrelated House or Senate bill that is 600 pages long. Think not? How about the lines mandating that all online credit card transactions be reported to the IRS. That is in the House bill for saving home owners. Blame not the ISP’s but the lazy public for allowing a bunch politcal hacks to sell us out.

  137. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 08:59

    here, here, Jonathan Riggly. Glad someone was awake when that happened.

  138. Evi1eye
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:02

    Lets look at the real deal here: We are going to into a world wide economic recession… Are the ISP’s really going to take the chance (NO) If Tiscali Virgin BT sent letters to 100,000 people or more.. What would happen either people will accept the fact that they cannot download which makes the evenings a little more boring or people will change ISP’s and virgin Tiscali will be sacking thousands more people… The way the economy looks in the UK / US they will not do nothing… If people start to compain!! Because these ISP’s will not take the chance of losing money. SO why are is the Government want to crackdown because they are losing thier little % in the UK 17.5% in US 7.5% depends on the state… They need to get real, These ISP’s will not Police the Internet…
    regards all

  139. Opra
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:02

    This is just a first step for the ISP’s to make more money charging by metered traffic flow. First, create a bandwidth crises by saying certain users (say pirates) are hogging all the available bandwidth (this is certainly rubbish, there isn’t a bandwidth problem). Then place caps on total bytes and transition to a tiered usage system. Bottom line is we pay more for less and they pay less by reducing capital expenditures needs for new equipment.

    Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee England.

  140. mupet0000
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:05

    Crap, virgin media have slowed my connection to less than a meg at all times.

  141. flyinhigh
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:12

    u knew that is was going to happen sooner or later. but it wont stop us downloading until they cut my broadband off. so much for being a F**king free country.

  142. UK
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:12

    Lucky for me I got a broadband from o2.

    8mb/1mb and been dling like mad :)

    Like a 80gb this month …

  143. sharpshooter
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:20

    Yeah i had letter from virgin(bad name as they have been screwing poeple for years)they said your unlimited will limited to 35gb a month and those who top that will see their speeds cut in half……to**ers

  144. mike wilson
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:21

    its time to buy share in the smaller isp

  145. anon1888
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:31

    this’ll never work, if you have a computer, you’ve atleast downloaded 1 “illegal” file. it’s just going to piss people off if they decide to follow through with this.

    then they all loose customers and have a mass price redutction to attempt to get them back, the government rethinks is policy after tons of people complain about being monitored and stuff about their privacy.

    then they either turn into nazi’s, and we buy a bunch of V masks and kill them off. Or they decide to let us do whatever we want again without limitis and go back to attmpted to track specific people and failing.

    probly more money efficient for them right now if they just gave up and left us be, piracy helps films, music aswel as tv shows.

  146. mrborat
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:39

    just send a few emails with the word bomb and jihad ,you wont get done for downloading meet dave n the dark knight but you may be sharing a cell with big bubba and him calling you his wifey,im always here 2 help praise allah n jebus n all other mythical creatures .If i cant download no more im turning to a bigger crime knock down ginger ,who’s with me

  147. Virtual Thief
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:53

    This is just the usual “Shake the stick at the people” and look like your in control. I for one wont need an internet connection if i cant download films or music. If i get a letter of Virgin i will just tell them to cancel my contract and so will thousands more what will hurt them more the fine for not complying to the law or the loss of customers? He might look like noel edmonds on acid but branson is a smart cookie Dont worry be happy :)

  148. blc
    July 25th, 2008 | 09:58

    Remember remember the fifth of November
    Gunpowder, treason and plot.
    I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
    Should ever be forgot…

  149. Crap
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:03

    Since UK have brought this in, Australia will definitely follow suit. We already have the worst broadband in the world, lets make it even worse.

  150. sparky
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:04

    This won’t work. Too many legit companies are turning to P2P to distribute their “stuff”.

    ISPs cannot log and process this amounbt of information for the money they make. They will simply send letters based on usage and we will reply with “using legit sites mate”.

    One thing that really pisses me off. Why do music / film bods equate one download to one lost sale? Many downloaders would not buy or could not afford to buy everything they “pirate”. Industry “loss” figures are grossly inflated.

    I download stuff and if I like what I see or hear I buy it. If I don’t I delete it. I delete more than I buy, and if anything my “piracy” inreases slightly their sales for me at least.

  151. Giiizmo
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:13

    Piracy will never die out.

    Start messing high-tech piracy distribution and we’ll go back to low-tech. Remember how we did it 10-15 years ago? Some guy would buy a game and rip it for 10 of his friends, who would then hand it out to 10 other of their friends, etc. In fact, coordinating a network of low-tech distribution (think mail or even hand-to-hand) would be even easier than before.

  152. Swoop
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:16

    @ 94

    It’s called Inflation.

  153. midlandsmorg
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:26

    It’s no wonder that many British people want to jump ship, no smoking, no downloading, no drinking in the streets – not allowed to do anything in this country but pay the government mo’ money.
    Boo hiss.
    Why on earth do we get so many immigrants?? Do they not know that this country is an over-regulated craphole?!
    I’m with Virgin, I never use torrents and haven’t had a letter yet but, thanks to wonderful RLSLOG, I download anywhere between 5 and 20gb a week so I’m expecting one shortly :-(

  154. Roger
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:27

    I went in HMV two days ago, CDs cost about £14. I’m not paying that.

    If the music industry is so poor these days, why is MTV still making Cribs and showing it’s teenage audience how rich every single music contract holder is.

    Music should be about art not money, no one downloads the rubbish music anyway do they?

  155. dave
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:31

    is that the same 02 which is owned by BT? DUHHH.

  156. just dont get it
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:33

    I know alot of people who download music they allready have on a cd because sometimes it goes faster than ripping it from a cd. And since you allready own the record you are downloading they cant claim you download illegaly.
    I mean how is this gonna work are they really gonna criminalice a whole population. If I download a music that I allready own it cant be considered piracy because you are allowed to make a backup how in gods name are they control something like that?
    I smell alot of lawsuits heading the broadband providers way.

  157. The Deviant
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:36

    Plenty of my downloads have turned into purchases. I downloaded the Fight Club movie, I have that on DVD because it’s one of the finest movies ever made. Sweeney Todd, I shall be getting this on DVD shortly for the same reason. Games such as Oblivion, Portal, Audiosurf, GTA IV… Downloading allows us to see something before we bother parting wwith cash for it. I wish I’d downloaded “The Happening” for example, instead of wasting £13 at the cinema to see it (yes £13) as it was by far one of the WORST films I’d ever seen.

  158. Isekinicho
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:42

    Its still very unlikely that the ISPs can identify you on their own from traffic alone (unless you hammer the connection).

    Previously, and this is from experience, the Anti-Piracy group’s boxes that seed certain torrents, and appear on p2p networks had to share you a file while logging your IP. This is then passed onto the ISP, with time logs and file details for them to investigate, if their claims match the ISP log they send you a letter. Therefor using a simple app like peerguardian can protect you in a majority of cases IF YOU KEEP A LOW PROFILE – not 100s of GB of downloads.

    Even if you are caught, worst that can happen is termination of service since Data Protection act stops the ISPs releaving ANY of your information to any third party unless authorised. (Expect this in the terms and agreement for ISPs soon, as this pathetic attempt fails)

    For the extra paranoid a network encrypter/proxy like TOR to disguise your traffic and as long as you keep a low profile and dont download truck loads you wont be noticed.

  159. hippo
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:43

    i dont use p2p now……..not for a long time since ive started using online storage and stuff…….its 100 times better and 100 times faster so why even bother with p2p anyway?

  160. Yo
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:49

    Fck the police.

  161. Bob
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:50

    With cloned MAC addresses on other peoples hacked routers through encrypted links borrowed from neighbours, tunneled over a number of other international SSH links and proxies just for good measure, the powers that be can and WILL find you if they really need to – it’s just a case of how hot you risk making those pipes – its the quiet, well-behaved back-doors that stay for longer :)

    Maybe aggregate traffic across a number of neighbours links and only use a portion of their bandwidth, and for the extra cautious, just tunnel over a protocol other than TCP/IP – maybe ICMP if possible?

    Using traffic-shaping and deep packet analysis, most of these larger ISPs have network operation centres that manage ‘bad-boy’ pipes for consistent high bandwidth users whose traffic shapes just show millions of destination packets within one or two routers of … oh its YOU!

    I agree with m0, if EVERYONE went out and bought a 24dB parabolic dish pointed at the closest densely-populated area then we can create super-LANs and bring back the wild-west fun that the internet was back in the beginning … just like CB radio was in the 80′s in the UK – god I am showing my age :)

  162. WhiteEagle
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:50

    First you want to get out of range of these insane thieves. Use vpn service. Here is one, which is free first 30 days:
    https://www.relakks.com/?lang=en
    The first good part about this one is, that like most torrent trackers nowadays it is in Sweden and the second good part is that its income goes directly to fund Swedish Pirate Party.

    Second you want to join a Pirate Party in your country, so you can fight back these thieving, dishonorable and not fair-playing burgher commoners from MPAA and RIAA and their hired minions in your country:
    http://www.pp-international.net/
    Like they say, put up or shut up. :D Right?

  163. GazmoX
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:52

    @159. O2 is owned by The Telefónica Group. Your safe for now!

  164. scouser
    July 25th, 2008 | 10:52

    they will end up doing private ftp sites before long back to the way it was full charge could this mean bbs in the old
    days lmao !!

  165. OrangO
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:05

    I think the UK government is living in the past with this sort of initiatives. As for BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse, IPSs, they get to increase there profits by saving on there monthly bandwidth usage. It is short sighted and is doomed to fail.

  166. Emma
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:11

    @161 i wish i’d downloaded The Happening too, jesus! My ticket was £5.90 tho..

    And back to all this crap, I personally believe that just because they wrote a few news stories about it, doesn’t mean they’ll actually bother enforcing it, they just need to LOOK like they care. But I’m all for going and sitting in McDonalds for an hour a day to get my movies if needs be! I hear my local Wetherspoons now has wifi too.

  167. priyal
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:25

    i have AOL am i safe to get speed racer

  168. death to greed
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:48

    Simple way for us to be heard. Spread the news via popular sites myspace / youtube / facebook / whatever. Next big movie to come out we all make it very clear to our peers not to go see it with a message to the movie/music industry. F**K with anymore this will happen more often. I know this sound like one of those no get gas days. But I promise you NO ONE has to go see one single movie to continue their lives. So I’m sure if we could band together enough people to not see a “blockbuster” hit for a whole weekend. It might just send out a little message. I know there will be naysayers but just a idea I had to have our voices heard.

  169. Achilles
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:49

    My comments:

    As a Virgin user I pay a lot of cash for 20mb broadband and if they are not satisfying that commitment from their end, then I will be taking legal action to recover any cash I see fit.

    I do not want a letter coming to my house saying that they are reducing my speed when I pay for 20mb – that is against their own T&C’s so I would advise they do not do that.

    ALSO… one word for all the people concerned in regards to this

    RAPIDSHARE

    You pay them for your links boys and girls with a monthly payment for your rap-account, you download from their private server… lets see the ISP’s stop people using that service then!

  170. mrborat
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:50

    we need the joker to save our downloading souls
    burn baby burn

  171. Slam
    July 25th, 2008 | 11:54

    You know what, I from the UK and I think I speak for a lot of us when I say…

    …WHATEVER!!!

    These sort of things doesn’t, won’t and will never ever inconvenience me one bit. Half of the stuff I download wouldn’t have been worth paying for anyway, so you tell me who’s ripping off whom?? All this is; is a desperate attempt for companies to keep hold of their stakeholders whilst profits in their industry continue to plummet. I’m the sort of person where; if it’s worth buying, I probably already have. And if the box office didn’t collect what one expected don’t blame the P2P networks blame the product…

    … What!! You all thought that English people don’t have taste…?

    …Think again!!
    It’s going to take a ton more than a cliché flick or sound to incise us to budge us from our trusty scene. And think of a better way of controlling us because, let’s face it. Pirates are a lot smarter and will always come up with something.

    P.S. My 1st ever comment, sorry but I could resist responding to this thread.

  172. idiocracy
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:09

    Give them everything, all controls of ur life, ur money, ur future…
    they know everything

  173. Bob
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:23

    Who the fook still downloads at home?

    Work FTW…. dedicated high bandwidth connection, no chance of getting caught= :D

  174. anon
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:23

    right i’m on virgin what exactly will happen if i download torrents like meet dave or the dark knight?

  175. a
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:31

    my iSP isnt lisred there :)

  176. deepcover
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:33

    @162..this is exactly how this stupid little scheme is set up!

    make sure you filter your packets and the BPI will not be sending your ip to the ISP’s!

    The ISP’s are making a token gesture to shut the whining, greedy pigs up. The UK and its main ISP’s are pro net neutrality, so will resist this type of rubbish.

    Eventually things will be shut down though, buy those wimax routers people…

    The people will rise up and build their own network, screw big brother and the greedy corporations! The true web 2.0 will be the darknet created by the people, for the people!!

  177. Loony
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:34

    lmao @ 171

    lmao @ 179

  178. X
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:42

    Fact: If you’re British, this law scares you (more or less).

    Now, you’re all behaving like a sheep herd and this British .gov has assumed the role of the sheep dog, herding you in the direction it chooses.

    So much for intelligence.

    PS: Not meant to insult the population of the UK.

  179. X
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:45

    @171: If you wear a condom, you’re safe; you won’t get it.
    @179: The boogeyman will haunt your dreams.

  180. VLad
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:49

    The ISp’s are loving this, they do not have the infrastructure to offer the connection speeds they sell i.e. if you are paying for 10mbs then you will be lucky to see 2 or 3 mbs.
    They now have a legitimate excuse to throttle your connection.(which they already have started!)
    So one big question, why pay for the premium service to receive an inferior one.
    The first thing I am going to do is stop paying for the top of the range(never ever delivered) service.
    Next i will get the slowest AND cheapest connection.
    Next I will get a cloned modem.
    So now I still get top speeds!
    I am paying less!
    I am now less likely to get caught as I will be using someone else MAC
    One other thing, Virgin has no idea what people are doing, most of their customers have chipped cable boxes and many have cloned modems. The whole cable infrastructure is just a joke.
    So I doubt very much that any of the threats we have heard here today will come to pass.
    Some posters I read are commenting from America.
    Honestly, you are not better off, the corporations there have owned your asses for years.

    Oh one last thing, I use https://www.relakks.com/
    People will never lie down to this blatant attempt to control the net and ultimately us.

  181. wait for better copy
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:55

    @171 and @179

    Just download them, it’s only a letter coming through your door not Michael Jackson.

  182. X
    July 25th, 2008 | 12:57

    @185: 1 bit =/= 1 byte; 8 bits = 1 byte. 10Mbps = 10Megabits/second = 1.25Megabytes/second (max line capacity).

  183. Moviefreak
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:01

    Let me get this right. Are the ISPs going to monitor the amount of downloads and chastise me for the amount or actually monitor the files? If its the files, how do they know whats in it if the title is non-specific and the contents are zipped? Put simply, how do they know mt download is legal or illegal?

  184. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:03

    Hi,
    Will using Peer guardian offer any protection from this as mentioned in a previous post but not answered.

  185. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:10

    And can anyone vocuh for the safety of relakks?
    It sounds good.
    Cheers

  186. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:16

    What’s the best way to protect yourself on the net from prying eyes.I mean i feel that i pay for an INTERNET SERVICE and if there happen to be torrent sites full of music and movies then i am entitled to use that as part of THE INTERNET SERVICE,it’s not my fault these sites exist so why should i be punished for using them?

  187. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:17

    Ooh appears from their website that relakks won’t work with vista sp1??

  188. Apollo
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:23

    Will the last person to leave Britain please turn off the lights!

  189. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:33

    Could someone please answer my fuc-king questions please?

  190. Evi1eye
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:35

    Hey what i can…. All those who are using or downloading… With a government like this I think we should return are thanks to the Labour government. Anyone over 18 and has the right to vote, I think its a change of power?? Dont you… Let just vote them right out of control. Its either get them out of power this government or become like China!!! Anyone in Favour? Just add your name to this list..

    Evileye.. Your not getting my vote Labout.

    Copy it and paste i and your name if you agree:

    regards all

  191. errr
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:42

    Lol, what’s next? a filter that wont allow encrypted packets? or a filter that de-encrypt the packets? you’ll never know ^,^

  192. Leroy Snape
    July 25th, 2008 | 13:50

    Hi People. Just come back from serving my sentence for downloading “stuff” My punishment was to be shrunk down to the size of a fly and then was inserted into Mr Richard Bransons beard, which i had to clean. I wouldnt have minded much, as i expected balloon rides n that, but, unfortunately he is a close friend of Max Mosely so it was bottom chomping all the way (in German) Lates Tates n bless you all

  193. vivas
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:00

    I think I’ll be okay for now, as I get loads of music, movies, games etc using rapidshare and megaupload not from P2P, its totally worth it. Its a lot better than using P2P, it may cost more as its not free, but I get great speeds which is all that matters.

  194. VLad
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:09

    thanks @ 187

    go 2 the front of the class

  195. hank hill
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:12

    Back in the day, I would spend $80 a month on Cds.. Now I spend $50 on my cable ISP and $30 on usenet. So, somebody’s making money, aren’t they? I don’t hear the new guys complaining, but the old guys sure are making a fuss, aren’t they?

    Shut down the internet, it will just push us back to the street fairs. I kinda miss the old ‘copy party’ days.. anyone here remember those?

  196. Larsone
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:13

    At least you can fight back if using usenet, most ports for the servers are secure HTML anyway, just claim you use the connection for work related things, watch them squirm then tell them where they get off mentioning how many other providers are out there.

    With the SSL in place you “should” be untracable anyway, wish we could say the same for torrents though. Me I am just happy for being with AOL for once…

  197. gav
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:24

    @ 200 i agree.

    The fact that I use rapidshare and stuff to download and not P2P the ports and packets are different, considering I only download about 20 films a month max, mostly on average about 10 I don’t have anything to worry about for these reasons:

    1. Don’t really care, send me a letter i’ll go cryface later.

    2. My ISP isn’t on the list (bethere.co.uk) and they’ve said on their community forums that they will not join in with it either.

    3. My ISP has no limits, Be Unlimited (yea we all know the unlimited is bolex) but they actually don’t care, I haven’t seen one person complain about Be reducing their speeds (intentionally) or warning them about their download amounts.

    All in all I think I made a pretty smart switch from Virgin to Be last month, for one I get a constant speed now instead of 2200 KBPS/sec on minute and then 500kbps the next, now I just get a constant 2000kbps flow.

    Nuff said. :D

  198. captain pancakes
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:26
  199. Columbo
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:34

    PeerGuardian is about as much use as a fart in a space-suit

  200. Benji
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:42

    Meh, I hacked my Virgin modem to a true 20mb connection, been running it for a long time now. Funny thing is I am not even a Virgin subscriber, so good look sending me letters. If I get caught, just switch MAC address, easy.

  201. saablaa
    July 25th, 2008 | 14:59

    benji

    i want to learn how to hack the cable modem

  202. Dilligaf
    July 25th, 2008 | 15:14

    Glad I just changed ISP

  203. vivas
    July 25th, 2008 | 15:32

    The best Isp in Britain is Fast.co.uk, they charge a bit more than other ISPs,and I have a 40gb download limit, but trust me it beats the crap out of the main Isps like Virgin etc.

  204. dave
    July 25th, 2008 | 15:40

    well get this, i just bought a new passport to go travelling and theres a freakin MICROCHIP embedded in the back.
    if that ain’t big brother then i dont know what is….

  205. dave
    July 25th, 2008 | 15:42

    oh, and did you know that 75% of artists actually benefit MAJORLY from illegal d/ls? look it up.

  206. streaky
    July 25th, 2008 | 15:45

    It’s not new laws, it’s actually optional – I’m pretty sure it’s not the first deal of it’s kind, I’ve read about such things before. (iirc)

    To be fair I wouldn’t expect it to be anything more than half-assed.

  207. Jas
    July 25th, 2008 | 15:48

    ok this is just a scam from Sky to get customers of Virgin to leave and go to them.

    I have saved so much cash downloading films and music that i managed to buy a porshe the other day, thanks nxt week am going to buy over sony

  208. NOTGUILTY
    July 25th, 2008 | 15:57

    YES tiscali ARE ALLREADY DOING THIS AND HAVE BEEN SINCE LAST YEAR BANDWIDTH SHAPING AND PORTBLOCKING ME ! they have accused the p2p users as pirates well they have overlooked dilebirately that GAMERS use p2p and block them from playing games such as trackmania and enemy territory quake wars and the soon to be released game battlefield heroes. I dont call that fair usage not being able to play games when i have spent my hard earned money on and i pay for the privalage of being phuked over like this

  209. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 16:16

    So AGAIN…someone,what would be the best way to DL files then?
    Is peer guardian2 any good at all?
    Cheers

  210. carlitos
    July 25th, 2008 | 16:30

    The main reason ISPs throttle is not because of piracy, I doubt Virgin or any other ISP deep down give a toss about piracy. Its simply because their networks cannot cope with increasing numbers of people using loads of bandwith, due to stuff like BBC’s Iplayer and other bandwith hungry services. So instead of investing in their networks, they take the easy way out.

    The internet is going to be unrecognisable in a few years time, especially if the governments of the world have their way in monitoring all internet traffic, emails and phone calls (The British government have discussed this already), apparently to protect us from those pesky terrorists, or the go for the emotional argument “pedophiles”, everybody hates those guys. If anything we need protecting from our governments, (yeah I read 1984 like 10 times as kid, it affected me lol)

  211. Meteorman
    July 25th, 2008 | 16:35

    @216

    Can’t you read?

    See @206

  212. Sickenly
    July 25th, 2008 | 16:47

    @99 I dunno, The US has been doing it for some time now. Corporate U.K., Corporate America says welcome to the club.

  213. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 17:37

    @218 Of course i can read you arrogant pri’ck!!
    So what’s the point of peer guardian then if it is no good?

  214. haha
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:00

    It doesn’t work, it just gives you that false sense of security. I’m using it and its working :p

  215. Jimmy ruffin
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:04

    Just for the record, i recieved a letter from solicitor davenport lyons regarding a game i downloaded in may 2007, with a 30 day dead line to pay a fine of £758,i thought it was a scam so i rang virgin media my isp, and they said they had been issued with a summons to provide names and addresses of the captured ip adress, i did try to argue my case and deny it with a strong letter but all they said was my ip adress had been recorded using software, the moral of the story is even if you use peer to peer gaurdian and private trackers, if a company has enough determination & resources,it will catch you, i was just unlucky, the game in question is TWO WORLDS by reality pump zoo ….my advice .be carful..

  216. Moviefreak
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:04

    This is a repeat of my earlier question. There seems to be a lot of smart****s out there but no answers.
    Let me get this right. Are the ISPs going to monitor the amount of downloads and chastise me for the amount or actually monitor the files? If its the files, how do they know whats in it if the title is non-specific and the contents are zipped? Put simply, how do they know my download is legal or illegal?

  217. The Pig
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:05

    Firstly I dont think ISPs are sophisticated enough to monitor everyone’s internet useage beyond volume. They cant send out letters purely based on volume either because there are several genuine ways that you could download legal content (paid for downloads, open source software, streaming services etc). So firstly ISPs will need to prove that what you downloaded was illegal.

    Secondly, most ISPs seem to not know their arse from their elbow. I couldnt imaigne them actually being coordinated enough to write a letter let alone send it out to the right person and then manage to administer the account properly!

    “The MOU places joint commitments on the signatories to continue developing consumer education programmes and legal online services. Most importantly, for the first time ISPs will be required to work with music and other rightsholders towards a “significant reduction” in illegal filesharing.

    To achieve this, in the first year hundreds of thousands of informative letters will be sent by participating ISPs to customers whose accounts have been identified by BPI as being used illegally. In addition, under the auspices of Ofcom, the signatories will work together to identify effective mechanisms to deal with repeat offenders.”

    So ultimately this press release seems to be around the fact that ISPs have agreed to send an ‘informative letter’ to ‘suspected customers’. Well they’ve got me running for the hills there…

  218. richard branson w@nk
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:14

    So if peer guardian is a waste of space then what is the best way to encrypt the files i download?
    The thing i dont understand is that utorrent 1.77 which i use
    has it’s own incoming and outgoing encryption,does’nt that help ?????

  219. neb
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:15

    Who makes those estimates ? A download does not equal a lost sale. Nobody would pay for everything he has donwloaded for free.

  220. david icke
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:24

    Godammit i’ve read over 200posts and no-one has left any info on the best way to hide our file sharing and protect ourselves a little better.Someone please help out here,we need to come together and defeat the NWO!!

  221. enoughalready
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:36

    Oh, my GOD… richard branson w@nk

    STFU with your nonstop spam!!!

    PeerGuardian bites and is “Feel good n00b software”

    YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS/SOFTWARE/PROGRAMS!! and should therefore not be downloading anything!!

    To be safe(r) stop using torrents!! (or at least get yourself on a halfway decent private torrent tracker) your I.P. is ALWAYS gonna be out there!!

  222. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:45

    @ 228 who would be the best private tracker then?
    The branson guy has a point,no-one is really helping this situation by leaving any useful info with regards to file sharing.

  223. enoughalready
    July 25th, 2008 | 18:58

    @ 229 john56

    These sites might help you find a nice private tracker…

    http://torrentfreak.com/10-private-trackers-open-for-signup-071020/
    http://torrentfreak.com/get-into-private-bittorrent-sites-with-tracker-checker-2/
    http://filesharefreak.com/2007/11/10/finding-open-private-torrent-sites/

    or I would give http://www.speed.cd a try I think their still open and the dl speeds are insane (plus they have every release minutes after pre)

    hope that helps

  224. Dirty Great Big Black Koon
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:03

    Those fuk1n noobs just wont shut up… Ever heard of google? Most of them probably still running Nortons. I’m all for helping the odd noob out now and again, we all been there. But jesus christ, you have to have SOME aptitude, otherwise get your newbie questions out of my fuk1n face. You teach them how to download, where to get it, and what to use.. they come back with, duh how do I ‘mount’ this game; how do it unrar this….

    I tell em, hold down ctrl+alt+delete, press shutdown, unplug from wall, chuck out the window.. Or failing that RTFM.

  225. shaneo
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:13

    LOL, lets wait and see what ISPs do when they notice there customers go elsewhere.
    They will back track just like Gordon Brown, Very LAME!!!!

  226. qwerty
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:16

    Encrypted Usenet; The old ways are still the best

    };-P

  227. D
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:19

    Simple answer is not to file SHARE

    I simply use a rapidshare premium account. It’s a direct download from one site and it’s fairly secure. Unless rapidshare turn over their server logs (unlikely), there is little else left to implicate me.

    Things like Kazaa and Limewire are worst. You are identified AND you can see what files you are uploading. Most people get into trouble because an anti-p2p agency can download files from you and then present those files as evidence that you are sharing illegally.

    Bit torrent is 2nd worst because no sites are secure. Peerguardian is a complete waste of time but it DOES show you that no matter what tracker you use, there are lots of anti-p2p people there. Oink, waffles, what, supertorrents, demonoid etc… they ALL regularly have anti-p2p people in the bit torrent swarm.

    Again, with bit torrent you are forced into uploading, which again can get you into trouble.

    Newsgroups are probably your best bet if you use an encrypted connection with a site that doesn’t keep logs for very long.

    And finally.. this article isn’t even news. ISPs have *always* written warning letters to people… this is nothing new. They will still write letters to you for excessive bandwidth useage, even if they can’t prove you’re sharing or downloading illegally.

  228. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:21

    @231 thanks for ALL YOUR HELPFUL ADVICE!!
    YOU’RE THE MAN…..NOT!!
    Put up or shutt up moron.
    Yeah some people on here are new,i have actually tried googling everything to do with secure torrenting and really not got any great answers.
    All help is appreciated.

  229. shaneo
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:22

    O and as for Broadband why dont ya just put us back to dial up as that all your services will be good for.
    Point of Broadband is to dowload big files at fast speeds.
    Screw the goverment and isps its got nothing to do with the fact that dvds & music cost so much that people download.
    We certainly live in a Lame ass country, soon we cant fart for causing polution to ozone.
    Get a grip next youl start charging cyclist tax for using cycle lanes on the roads O wait better not give you any more ideas, TOSSERS

  230. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:26

    @231 if your so smart what is your way of downloading files.
    You say i bet he uses norton,christ sakes man,millions of people use it,what are we supposed to use.A downloaded kaspersky from mininova man.Your post is so annoying!!

  231. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:27

    So what’s the point of peer guardian?

  232. Evi1eye
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:40

    There is no software!! That is going to help… No matter what you do, no matter where you download it the ISP’s are going to monitor the amount of downloading you do! People who download are going to stand out a mile. All the ISP’s have to do is look at the amount you download and the file size and type of file.. Thats it then your names on the list. The only thing that we can really do is give what ever government a kick in the ass…
    Kick the UK Labour Party out of power… thats it.
    Regards All

  233. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 19:51

    Thanks Evileye….what about if i use strong vpn.Won’t that work?Sounds pretty good.

  234. Somebody902
    July 25th, 2008 | 20:02

    that’s not exactly legal…in order to do this they have to monitor the sites you visit and the files you download…violation of intimacy rights

  235. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 20:10

    oh darn

  236. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 20:16

    What bout secureix?
    Someone somewhere must have some answers!?!?

  237. john56
    July 25th, 2008 | 20:16

    What bout secureix?
    Someone somewhere must have some answers!?!?

  238. undagroundking
    July 25th, 2008 | 20:34

    wooo id hate to live in the UK…if they slowed down my internet what would be the point of keeping the b@stards and giving them more money. i would be like uhh yeah a big eff you no more business from me bye bye. i hope they lose business

  239. red
    July 25th, 2008 | 20:36

    vpn is a solution but not the total solution, an anonymous ip is good but evil eye made the most valid point here, the amount you download is just as important. isps can spot the large volume of data and the specific size of files you are downloading, it’s a dead give away. And as others have said its not in the isps interest to have heavy users. the solutions to this is don’t download crazy large amounts of data, stay under the radar. If someone has a solution for this speak up and you will be known as the messiah. (seedboxes?! i dunno) All you pirates in da uk should switch your isps to one that isn’t one of the big six reported. Even light users should move to other isps. Hopefully this will have a combined affect on the big six isps profits dropping through the floor and hopefully their collusion will end with anti piracy groups. As we are all aware business is about the profit margin. Always use encryption. Investigate other solutions as i am doing such as rapidshare type of accounts, usenet and whatever other solutions are out there.
    Never forget this is a cat & mouse game and the pirates will always win because one the cat is fat, bloated, slow and stupid and secondly one legged pirates are always a couple of hops ahead;)

  240. adz
    July 25th, 2008 | 20:54

    Ohhhhhh shame. My internet will be slowed but it wont bother me. I only watch the films i download at the weekend. so if i have to leave the computer on overnight so be it.

    F U C K the UK government.
    F U C K the big brother cr@p

    It’s time we revolt.
    Time we clench are arsecheeks and go against the system.

    F U C K YOU MR. BROWN!

    Oh and I’m gunna download anything I want because I won’t pay £15 for a cd or dvd.

  241. Kelbie
    July 25th, 2008 | 22:04

    im just going to leave my pc on 24/7 for aslong as I can downloading constantly from newsgroups!

    just going to tick every box on newzleech and download just to piss virgin media off.

    They came out with the caps during 4pm-10pm once u exceed 3gb then they said between 12-10pm if your a repeat offender so how can they possible cap us anymore….

    I am currently paying £86 for VIP Package on Virgin which is everything they offer with 20mb broadband which to pay that price I have to work every weekday 8am-5pm so they only time I can use my connection is during the capping times and even then the speeds i get is 587kb/s so basically im paying for a 20mb and getting a 5mb connection.

    Thanks VIRGIN!!

  242. red_alert1984
    July 25th, 2008 | 23:18

    The truth is from my world, this is a master plan which has been in the pipeline since the internet first found its feet, Governments all over the world do not like free speech and they do not wish for anyone else to broadcast there opinions, about whichever government.
    As long as people realise that Business and Government are so heavily dependant on each other due to both parties looking out for each other…..we the UK population have effectively pirated music for decades…reel to reel…cassette tapes, the internet is just a part of the time link really and the BPI and other associated parties realise this but as a favour to our ever increasingly surveillance hungry governments, they will be the bad guy….what do they have to lose…the UK public won’t boycott the music industry..or the Film industry, Because….we are …and have always been self interested, regardless of what anyone else ever says on this board, this is the truth from my perspective…..So go for it Big Brother! F++k the electorate, because they are a bunch of idiots!

  243. President Robert Mugabe
    July 25th, 2008 | 23:33

    So fuken angry!!! Fuk OFF!!! So pissed livin here in UK, this country is truly fuked up! George Orwell was right on the money. The government wants control and that’s all they want. They fear kaos but the people here are too pacified too give a sh*t!!! I thought the net was the last true bastion of free thought and expression, FUKERS!!! If you lame mofos stand for this than FU! FUK!!!!!

  244. yo yo idea
    July 25th, 2008 | 23:44

    what about speed limiting bellow ur normal speed in idm like i get 1mbps down speed but i cap it to 500kbps and turn it on and off now and again so it looks like im surfing on there side? just an idea…….

  245. Maktown
    July 26th, 2008 | 01:11

    The internet is THE END of copyright laws… get over it ppl!…. Besides, a company can’t purposely slow a user’s speed if they’re paying for that bandwidth… that itself is illegal.

  246. StOoPiD
    July 26th, 2008 | 02:21

    @ 97 j
    I’m still here, still downloading (faster than you probably)
    And i’m not gonna get a letter through my door LMAO!

  247. bounce
    July 26th, 2008 | 02:45

    Move to norway or sweden we still have our FREEDOM for now…

    !!!!!!!!!!PIRATES FOR EVER!!!!!!!

  248. bman
    July 26th, 2008 | 03:03

    just heard bout this today……so if you cant download anything whats the point of having fast internet…….facist bastards!

  249. James
    July 26th, 2008 | 04:09

    Also.

    PeerGuardian is effective. You can make your own .p2b lists to your liking. If you do some research, it is a very useful addition to other techniques. Look into various VPN services available, there’s a great one in NewZealand on offer! To make it even harder for these A holes, Use, VPN, Peerguardian, Forged html headers, and chained proxies. You’d have to be Osama for them to put enough effort in to catch you.

  250. cyberwatcher
    July 26th, 2008 | 04:24

    Internet = Share
    Suck roles like this will bring the dark age of internet.
    People want to c money than the meaning of share.
    They puts CCTV on ur connection now, not only on the street.
    So the gov can c “what color of ur underwear?”
    Lol

  251. saablaa
    July 26th, 2008 | 07:25

    sure suckd

  252. saablaa
    July 26th, 2008 | 07:26

    i m cancelling my internet

  253. billyboygates
    July 26th, 2008 | 13:30

    if you’re on a bt connect and use the vision box they won’t reduce the download speed below 2meg due to bandwidth needed for tv . as for the other dsl isp folk not agreed with the bpi they soon will because i was on a none bt dsl line and hammered it via newsgroups and got a nasty letter saying that they were being charged more from bt for bandwidth usage . just get some old fogey a net connection and download like f**k and when they get hassle say they have dementia :) .

  254. Zleet
    July 26th, 2008 | 13:32

    So what rates best to worst as far as getting caught downloading for:

    Torrents

    Rapidshare (or any direct service)

    P2P (like limewire)

    IRC

    Newsgroups

    Which are fairly private and which will get you stung?

  255. Virtual Thief
    July 26th, 2008 | 14:48

    @ 179..You would have a good movie to watch but i would give meet dave a swerve its a steaming pile of dung imo. Downloading till i die!! aarrrrg jim lad.

  256. saablaa
    July 26th, 2008 | 15:50

    257 James

    Does stealthnet work with utorrent or how does it work with torrents?

  257. wasiim
    July 26th, 2008 | 19:37

    In that case guys, you have to download via private trackers.
    google private trackers and you will find out more abt it.

  258. Lord Shoa
    July 26th, 2008 | 23:20

    Oh well there is always pirate satellite been watching all the new films on that for the last 6 years or more.
    Just takes a bit longer to comeout but no need to download.
    You can all do this in the uk there is always another way to watch new films without downloading them.

  259. saablaa
    July 27th, 2008 | 00:39

    @268

    will appreciate u tell us how

  260. Dirty Great Big Black Koon
    July 27th, 2008 | 01:52

    Johnny J. Mugford.

  261. bobby
    December 28th, 2008 | 21:36

    The comments here make me laugh. If you think you can't be traced for wahtever reason, consider this:

    A piece of electronic information somewhere in the Netherlands (this website) has found its way around the globe to your computer. If it can, so can the law.

    Argue as much as you like, that IS the case. Even with SSL.

    As for using free WiFi in restaurants, consider this: they have logged your activity. They have a date and time. They have CCTV. Doesn't take much to see if their records match your MAC address. If you change your MAC it's more difficult, but still possible.

    Nobody is fully protected. All you can do is hope it's not worth the effort for them, while they chase easier targets and larger distributors.

  262. Dumbass
    December 29th, 2008 | 17:16

    if they wanted to stop anyone downloading illeagally they cud quite easily and that is kill the uploading they stop people uploading stuff there will be nothing to download that way the ISP's would not have to cap people and there for they would not be breaking any contract and this would also stop the private trackers as well because if you dony share/seed you get banned.In anut shell they could stop the lot but they wont because off the repocussions it would have .

  263. rockin ricky ricardo
    January 6th, 2009 | 03:13

    I ca'nt believe i read all 272 posts….

  264. sucks to be british
    January 8th, 2009 | 23:25

    I generally download approx 300gig a month movies, tv, etc.

    I download music videos all the 80's stuff no music whatsoever most of the movies i download are years old other than spending a small fortune at the video store in rentals that's the only place i'd find them who's losing out from my downloading blockbusters definately not the music industry.

    Nearly every single thing i download i delete after watching i can't remember a new movie i've downloaded in the past year i would have paid to go and see some are barely watchable some are complete sh*it*e. If my isp throttles my speed i'll just get my own back and drop down my price plan down with less download speed. It makes me laugh anyway my current isp BT throttles my download speed till midnight anyway for torrents.

    When the isp's start to lose money especially in the current ecomonic climate they do the great britsh u turn. Talking of economic climate i can't afford to spend cash of going to the movies now and were not in a full recession yet either.

  265. paul
    January 9th, 2009 | 11:10

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  267. stardust79
    April 18th, 2009 | 22:48

    Tiscali slowed down my speed ages ago! They may of emailed me but I never use tiscali email anyway so I wouldn't know. Not sure anyway if they will really take action as they are already at risk of going bust so I don't see them risking losing what customers they have left. Anyway I thought they signed up for this anti piracy thing years ago and I have been with them 4 years!

  268. shane
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    Oh I see they're cracking down on piracy, and yet child abuse is barely even a crime.

    Paedophiles are going around molesting and beating children and are being protected by the government, and yet someone who downloads a song they like (instead of listening to it on the radio for example) is treated like scum.

    I f@cking hate this government! They weren't even elected into power and don't belong there.

  269. skagman
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    I'm with BT and they can tell when you are using torrents, during the day morning till 12am my torrents slow right down to 5KB/s but sites like megaupload, filebase etc i get upto 1MB/s and after 12 my torrent speeds shoot up to the same speeds. I only use private trackers and I just seen someone say that private trackers are more proteced because of encryption well it's not true because they aren't slowing down all my internet activity and probably 60% of my downloading is done with MU and the like! I probably download about 150GB a month, BT did used to be bad for capping when going over their excess but they only interested in torrent usage now!

  270. d
    May 19th, 2009 | 15:58

    @93 this has nothing to do with the EU, shut up. Also this deal has been pushed through by music lobbyists, will they care more about music downloads than video or other kinds of file sharing?

  271. STEVE JOBS
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    1. HMMMM i just feel like getting a couple of hunded blank cdr shrink some stuff and burn it and passs it on to anyone u meet,,,,,

    2. Try to avoid buying anything for a about a month… just to slow things down a lil bit.

    3. Conserve a little energy u save they dont make that much money…..

    4. Dont buy fuel on sat or sun.. that will really put a dent in gas prices….

    5.Keep downloading!!!!!!!!

    6. Get nice on the wekend… have alot of sex saves money and its very fun just be safe!!!!

    7. Support your country buy there products only….

    8 Balance your choices make them fair give a little to the underdog you know the mom & pops Store.

    9. Cover your tracks being the internet or anything you do thats not on the up & Up

    10 Keep downloading

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    12 Download again.

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  272. Mr. Singh
    May 23rd, 2009 | 05:02

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  274. Goblin
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    I have to say you guys make me laugh sometimes, if you really want an idea of the tech that's available out there now.

    Available to ALL governments, just look at Tehran, they've removed ALL protocols from the countries infrastructure So much so that the ONLY way for the people IN the country to communicate is through Twitter and even that's failing.

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  275. a hardacre
    July 1st, 2009 | 20:37

    when you think about all the money we broadband users pay every year for the so called service none of us get,we dont get anything for nothing in fact we pay for the music and movies we share,but as usual this govment want more money to line there pockets and spoil it for the working man,i for one will cancel my broadband so thres no need to slow me down, (carn,t get any slower anyway)

  276. sctpc
    July 12th, 2009 | 08:32

    in Australia its 3 warnings and your of to a new isp thats why peerguardian 2 or block list manager for Utorrent so the isp cant track what your p2ping

  277. AR
    July 13th, 2009 | 17:51

    Australia, France, now UK, next Europe and finally the World!!

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  278. evileye
    July 26th, 2009 | 17:46

    Ok so they curb our internet usage, as soon as they do that. I just move to another provider!! But no ISP provider wishes to lose customers… We are in a recession at the moment!! Would they really dare? to come on.

    regards to all

  279. AGuyInside
    August 24th, 2009 | 20:20

    Oh wow… this is going to be interesting.
    I work for a BT office in their broadband support department, if mine gets turned off I can just turn it back on manually the next day at work.

  280. another german...
    August 30th, 2009 | 07:57

    @96 That's what you think lol
    Look at the plans of Ulla Schmidt with internet censoring aka BKA blacklist, I'm pretty sure if they get this through not just child porn sites will be put on the (not publically visible) list…

  281. Giggsunited
    September 19th, 2009 | 10:14

    lol too all the doom merchants this thread has been open for a year. i have filled up 400gb or space in this year 4 new hardrives ive had to buy. from downloading all illigal games, software, tvshows, movies. music, i aint been bust5ed i dont use no scripts no firewals, just surf and download. people right things to scare people its all nonsense. if i didnt download this stuff i sure wouldnt buy it. so how can they say their losing this money that they would never of got. its redic. long live pirates their never stop it, NEVER!"

  282. unknown
    October 9th, 2009 | 23:59

    This is why i love Portugal so much, pirate as much as you want, as long as you don’t sell it, nothing to worry about it, even large company’s use pirated software, hell i even remenber my old high school used it xD.

    About the law, it will never have any impact, plus there’s plenty of ways to go around it. The movie industry but especially the music one should thank file-sharing for bringing their contents online and avaiable to the whole world, not to mention all the free publicity.

  283. jjr
    October 10th, 2009 | 18:18

    am wondering what the various isp think we are doing with internet. They well know its for pirating. Its because of that why I would want to increase my bandwidth speed.They are only doing this to make the music publishers happy.

  284. Eves
    October 16th, 2009 | 11:29

    aw well, I live in a third world country,Dominican Republic,we dont have baronesses, terrorists or weird things… The governement and the 60% of the masses dont htink about “internet”… u can buy pirated movies and music in the streets from ambulant vendors as you wait for the traffic light.. of course I rather just download it myself, better quality…

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  286. PoorGit
    November 22nd, 2009 | 03:52

    The thing that concerns me is that when governments get involved, its fat cats with no understanding but what they are told by so-called experts (government sponsored think-tanks).

    Today its illegal downloading, which lets face it, before the internet, it was here in other forms… those who cant afford WONT buy. People used to tape music off the radio years ago, people bought high-dub cassette recorders etc…

    The thing with the internet are the ports, traffic. There are 65535 ports on the internet (under the current TCP/IP standards)…. eventually there will be blocking of all ports bar service ports for say key services run by OS companies and maybe even lead to paid port access on top of the standard 80/443/25/110 and a few others for other well known standardised protocols such as UG’s etc.

    The digital highway has been marginally untouched by the government… but they are quickly realising the potential of making/taxing such a medium…. Britain (with its Television tax lol) will always be the first to jump on new ways of ‘thinking’ its going to help the economy…. Remember the UK is in a recession and out of the G20, its also deemed to be the slowest to recover from the recession… and due to this, many things which were put on back-benches, are now going straight through…

    Politics is a vicious game, and the internet is just a new bandwagon for the government to start getting their fingers into….

    Once all the big ISP’s go ahead with this effective immediatly, you can bet your ass that the government will start looking at creating some laws to then force the smaller ISP’s into a new regime of internet control, cease or die effectively.

    Other countries are watching the UK attentively, the UK is treading grounds which other governments have tried to walk on at some point and decided to stay away… UK will be laying the ‘this is how it should be done’ map down for the rest of the world to follow… the EU is already pushing through many new agendas for digital censorships.

    Its the beginning of the end of internet freedom.
    Welcome to the Queens country.

  287. RMR
    November 30th, 2009 | 07:00

    Good thing i live in Canada, super high speed cable, no limits, they say 130gb a month but have use up to 220gb in a month.Good luck UK Govt and Recording Industry. :)

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    June 24th, 2010 | 16:37

    Were in a transition guys, as surely as we were when Pirate Radio was broadcasting from the North Sea.
    The establishment is still trying to figure it out, in the meantime all the clever gaming programmers are sticking to consoles and lots of small artist who would never before have been heard by so many people without a record contract are now being heard.
    Personally if i had a job I would be buying music and games.
    Personally if ppl on low income got a discount, I would be buying stuff whilst unemployed.
    But we don’t, someone on 50k a year pays as much for their music and games as someone on 11k.
    So, someone on 11k downloads it instead.
    I’m going to shrug now.

  301. mike
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:18

    I won’t buy a game without a testplay first. Basically, that means they should be glad I pirate some games, I would NEVER have spent 90 dollars on assassins creed 2 (I had it pre-ordered, but I could always get every dime back if I pulled out before getting the game) if I wasn’t able to test it first.

  302. john
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    Very true

    Were in a transition guys, as surely as we were when Pirate Radio was broadcasting from the North Sea.
    The establishment is still trying to figure it out, in the meantime all the clever gaming programmers are sticking to consoles and lots of small artist who would never before have been heard by so many people without a record contract are now being heard.
    Personally if i had a job I would be buying music and games.
    Personally if ppl on low income got a discount, I would be buying stuff whilst unemployed.
    But we don’t, someone on 50k a year pays as much for their music and games as someone on 11k.
    So, someone on 11k downloads it instead.
    I’m going to shrug now.

  303. David
    July 25th, 2010 | 06:45

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    i live in the UK and without a shadow of doubt the best ISP by far is BE THERE.co.uk , they dont carry on like these other lame companys, im on a 24meg line and hit 23+meg downstream without fail , anytime of the day,nite , and no my contension ratio aint 50/1 or 20/1 or even 10/1, i have my own box and no they really dont care what your doing online , SSL or no SSL..since moving from lame BT 4 years ago i havent looked back, BIG UP BE THERE !!!
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    And how much money has piracy MADE for the music biz? I know in my case, as well as many, many others, I went from maybe buying 2-5 cds a year to double that a month. All due to file sharing!
    Pull your heads out of your asses all you music, movie, & internet execs, just as children before the internet taped their friends’ vinyl on cassettes, so will they download now. But, with the advent of the net, not only can the adult consumer population find out about artists they never could’ve before, they actually buy what they like. The only ones that really suffer are the artists putting out a substandard product. In other words, crap. Not to mention how old it gets buying the same darn product again & again as they pull some new standard out of the blue (i.e. 8-track, to cassette, to vinyl, to cd, to super audio cd, to dts, etc., etc. I can’t begin to tell you how many copies of Simple Minds’ New Gold Dream I have!). Kids will always find a way to download. By putting blocks & making it harder, they’re only making it harder for the adults that would actually buy it if they like it.

  311. Druidmeister
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    AT&T Internet Services in the US has refused for years to release the names of IP addresses suspected of downloading. In other words they told the f’ing crooked courts to shove it up their f’ing arses! By the way … the Stones laugh at the crooked record companies … The Stones never got paid from these crooks when they started up. Are you a BMI affiliated musician that’s had airplay and never seen a penny? Talk about crooked. There are thousands of bands that have been ripped off by (and are suing) crooked record execs and BMI and ASCAP … I’m one of them. Top ten in Canada and no cash? Airplay in Europe on over 20 major stations every month and every year and no cash? F__k these jackasses!

  312. ISOhunter
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    Something had to happen and this is the start of it. I hope all countries will take up this policy.

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    Pull your heads out of your asses all you music, movie, & internet execs, just as children before the internet taped their friends’ vinyl on cassettes, so will they download now. But, with the advent of the net, not only can the adult consumer population find out about artists they never could’ve before, they actually buy what they like. The only ones that really suffer are the artists putting out a substandard product. In other words, crap. Not to mention how old it gets buying the same darn product again & again as they pull some new standard out of the blue (i.e. 8-track, to cassette, to vinyl, to cd, to super audio cd, to dts, etc., etc. I can’t begin to tell you how many copies of Simple Minds’ New Gold Dream I have!). Kids will always find a way to download. By putting blocks & making it harder, they’re only making it harder for the adults that would actually buy it if they like it.”

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