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Turkey banned access to YouTube again

Posted on 21.01.2008 at 18:08 in Tech News by Martin

A Turkish court has again blocked access to the popular video-sharing Web site YouTube, and reports Sunday suggested the ban was a response to clips that allegedly insult Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the country’s founding father. Users trying to access the site from Turkey were met with notices in English and Turkish saying access to the Web site was banned under an Ankara court’s order. The notices said the court order was issued Jan. 17. In March, another court blocked access to YouTube, which is owned by California-based Google Inc., for two days after a complaint that some clips insulted Ataturk, a war hero who founded Turkey from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The ban was lifted after YouTube removed the offending videos.

Vatan newspaper said Sunday the current ban was also imposed because of videos that were allegedly disrespectful of Ataturk. It is illegal in Turkey to insult Ataturk, a revered figure whose portrait still hangs in nearly all government offices almost 70 years since his death in 1938. It was not clear how long the current ban would last. The state-run Anatolia said YouTube officials issued a statement saying the company hoped access would be re-established quickly.The YouTube bans in Turkey have highlight the country’s troubled record on free expression. Several prominent Turkish journalists and writers — including Nobel literature prize winner Orhan Pamuk — have been tried for allegedly insulting “Turkishness.” And this country wants to join the European Union…

Source: Fox 

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  1. HollyWood
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:10

    yeah - maybe U.S. will ban youtube too after all there is so many clips that offend bush..

    those barbarians never learn

    i hope one day they will be civilized…

  2. kemal
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:10

    Shame on you, Turkey.

    yaramaz cocuk!

  3. hellas
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:12

    hell yeah babay greece !!!! Florida Of Europe!

  4. Blinx
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:13

    meh, ill wait for the proper.

  5. xeroti
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:14

    i’m a turk too, but this really isn’t smart, why would they ban youtube, they just damage their own people even more. ataturk can suck a **** imo

  6. seriously_dude
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:16

    Poor primitive islamists :-(

    Get with the times plz …

  7. linksasap
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:18

    Turkey must become democratic

  8. there_is_a_tattooed_bald-headed_man_standing_behind_you_and_his_pen1s_is_deep_inside_your_rectum
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:19

    All they are good for is making Turkish delight.

  9. KRIEGHOFF
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:22

    Well corruption is rife within the EEC, So I suppose they’ll do quite well

  10. Akif Bayram
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:22

    Making fun of Islam and the people of the country doesn’t make sense. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was not a religious man, he tried to modernize the country. Also, I’m pretty damn sure the people of the country didn’t want YouTube banned. You have to remember it IS against the law to make fun of him or any other high status person. Trying to even get rid of that law would be difficult and contreversal. This has NOTHING to do with ISLAM and ISLAMIST. Islamist, at most, don’t like Ataturk.
    and hellas, why bring up Greece?

  11. anonymous
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:25

    Well at least we can sleep with confidence knowing that Turkey won’t be in the EU.

  12. TGF
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:25

    can u say “proxy”

  13. knux
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:26

    I scoff at Turkey oops rlslog just got banned… oy cmon o well im gonna go back to drawing my religious cartoons of gods that are supposed to not be drawn.

  14. sean
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:29

    @1
    It’s something different with Bush and Ataturk if you are comparing them with their political status cuz’ Ataturk has a very social & emotional impact on every Turkish citizen’s heart. Therefore thinking in this focus, you can realize the degree of sensitivity in Turkish people. Ofcourse free speech is supported if not in a hostile manner. I agree that banning a site is illogical and not a solution but Turks are emotional people and this is totally unrelated with barbarianism and etc.

  15. njxs
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:29

    there we go again…..i am sick and tired of politically motivated actions….no matter what country you look at, internet censorship seems to be gaining ground….

    why exactly can people just think of it as just another video?

    there was a video insulting Gandhi a few months back …caused quite a furore in India, but didn’t result in any bans…

  16. wizardofeast
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:33

    FREE EXPRESSION
    Just tell me a place where it can be.
    The border of your freedom is the border of other.
    But on the other hand i must admit by banning , we are being the part of the problem.

    What will u gain by insulting people,religions and events ?

    If you gonna call us barbarians, refer to the current records of killing and slaving of many civilized nations.

  17. redjune
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:38

    you sure turkey will be pleased without europe

  18. LOL
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:39

    they only make them self look bad

    LOL on the random Greece post that have nothing to do with the news LOL

  19. jackketch
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:39

    @ wizardofeast

    Of course turks are civilised….*cough* kurdish genocide*cough*

    Oh wasn’t attaturk a known paedophile?

    With any luck we’ll keep turkey out of the EU for a long time to come, get the PKK unbanned and get the land back for greece you stole.

  20. yo
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:43

    barbarians=pasty white folk=prmitive
    Ottoman Empire fostered science and classical studies when they
    ruled much of Europe.
    Joining the E.U. is a step down not up = new world order

  21. hushbabydoll
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:44

    @19

    yeah I’ll laugh off my arse to that pal… dream on…

  22. hiyou2000
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:45

    So many uncivilized Greeks.

    Aren’t Athenian philosophers known as pedophiles + homosexuals? Attatuk isn’t even about Islam at all, go get some history lessons plz. Internet isn’t only about free pr0n and wareZ

    It’s such a shame to see such great men having such poor descendants.

  23. john dykes
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:46

    @10

    not about islam? it’s all about islam and their conservative views here. unlike most of you ignorant pricks, i actually have lived in a muslim state and know a thing or two about islam views, customs etc.

    a state that cannot tolerate mocking of its leaders or other highly regarded figures is by western standards not a modern or progressive state. (example: germany’s angela merkel on the front page of a prominent german magazine, openly criticism towards g. bush on national television etc)

    any way you want to look at it, the islamist ideals will always collide with “modern” western values.

  24. horror_wood
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:46

    In Pakistan,Pervez Musharraf has passed a new law in which blogs have been banned.This was after numerous blogs against the government when the emergency was imposed.
    Now,bloggers will be sentenced to death!

  25. T
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:48

    proxy servers huh ;) haha

  26. bullet_tooth
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:49

    Not just youtube,even social networking sites like Orkut,Facebook etc. are banned in places like Qatar,Saudi.

  27. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:49

    I just wish it would be possible to put a gigantic dome on the whole region (Saudi Arabia , Iran , Turkey , Iraq , Israel , Pakistan ect)and let them kill each others.

    The world would be better place after that

  28. ancient
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:52

    @19
    Oh wasn’t attaturk a known paedophile?

    It’s normal you think everyone is paedophile since you’ve been abused for years. Take some pills to ease your pain boy, everything will be allright after your 12nd birthday.

  29. john dykes
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:52

    @22

    ataturk not abt islam? duh.. obviously some of us didnt properly read thru the post. its abt how the turkish government with its islamist/conservative views deal with satires

  30. whatever
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:54

    This is very funny to me!! What a loser country.. haha

  31. REB
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:55

    Useless crap country.

  32. horror_wood
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:55

    @27 Blu-Ray is God
    The worlde would’ve been better place if George Bush was assassinated after 9/11.Musharraf too.
    Mush n Bush..what a ‘deadly’ combination!

  33. bullet_tooth
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:57

    lol^

  34. john dykes
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:57

    it may be unfair to label all muslim states with the same prejudice. but come on, lets not be naive, no one can deny that there is a clear pattern of oppression by muslim goverments towards its own people.

    they just love forcing their ideals and views on others, even if it means that they wont progress

  35. KRIEGHOFF
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:58

    FREE EXPRESSION
    well I’m free to call Gordon Brown a TWAT if i want to. he is a TWAT, by the way
    But am I free to worship in church, or carry a bible in Saudi Arabia?, wear a crucifix in the Maldives?
    But immigrants come to my country, free to worship how they want, plot to kill us,take our benefits, then have the bloody nerve to say they are being attacked by the west.

  36. hiyou2000
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:01

    Honoring Attatuk is about nationalism, it’s like honoring Washington, Lincoln, etc.

    Absolutely nothing to do with religions.

    They can be called conservative? Yes. Freaks? Why not? But religious fanatics? NO.

    To Turkish ppl and law, honoring the father of the Turkey’s foundation is as important as prtecting their children from pedophiles to Western ppl, I don’t see any harm in that. Are they calling fanatics to suicide bomb Youtube servers? Jeez, you too should chill out a little.

  37. djdx
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:02

    Blow up Pakistan and the world will be a safer place!

  38. anon
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:03

    Ataturk was born in Greece and lets not forget that. I am one of many who believe that both country’s are the different sides of the same coin.

    Unification, peace, harmony under the 1 common thing we all have in common in the World..Let’s fight for Love everyone.

  39. rs
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:04

    glad I’m not in Turkey

  40. Saime
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:05

    lol o.o

  41. Assassin
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:07

    Ataturk was not a muslim .. he tried to change all muslims habit and he even changed the arabic language and forbid talking in it.
    He also tried to remove everything related to islamic religion and it’s history ..
    I am a muslim and I thank god that his plans never made it all the way to the nation of islam ..
    May he burns in hell ..

  42. offroad
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:07

    It’s a shame of the courts (for Turks), but i don’t know, all the other countries citizens talk here like their courts&judges etc. are wonderful..hey americans, isn’t Bush your president? what are u doing in iraq? the EU community citizens, dont u cry to get appart from EU? hellas..i dont have anything u to say..u always cry when Turks do something and ask for your brothers..lol..

  43. The Guy
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:09

    LMFAO @ 8s name

  44. judge
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:10

    David Irving, the British historian, was jailed in Austria for denying the true extent of the Holocaust, in Germany the Swastika and other Nazi related symbols are banned, Turkey are banning access to Youtube. Look at these examples, they are relatively harmless, yet look at what the authorities have done. In my opinion there is no such thing as free speech in Europe, we need America to liberate us lol

  45. sean
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:10

    the ones that compare Turkey to Saudi A. Iran etc. should revise their knowledge because we have nothing in common in societal or political manner with them. Imho, focusing only on the religious aspect of a country is the uncivilized “loser” behavior.

  46. offroad
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:11

    also it is very simple to connect you tube from ip number…LOL:-P

  47. fanouli
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:13

    KRIEGHOFF
    You brought it on yourselves when you invaded along with the Americans Iraq and supressed all the human rights the Iraqis had. Everyone in the world hates British and Americans, so you better sleep with an eye open.

    The least of world’s problems is the banning of youtube by Turkey. Is there any free expression in USA? The medias show only what suits the government and its imperialistic policy. If anyone tries to say a different opinion, is blocked by every media.

    By the way I am Greek and Christian, so I am not prejudised at any way.

  48. New
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:14

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  49. Cab
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:15

    Armenian Power ;)

  50. Aslı
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:18

    I’m a turk too and I’m a chirstian.
    Here let me give you some inside tips:
    Ataturk was not a religious/islamic person. Islam bans alcohol and he died from cirrhosis..
    But the youtube ban, caused by islamic government. The ban’s reason is not the videos making fun of Atatürk. It’s the videos making fun of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan & Abdullah Gül.
    But press don’t mention it, because we don’t have a free press here. Also it’s under control of the government..
    I lost all my hopes to recover, at first chance I’ll leave this country for good..

  51. sean
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:20

    @41
    You know nothing about Ataturk do you?
    You wrote some nonsense bullsh*t just like an uneducated, prejudiced person.. you are pathetic

  52. judge
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:21

    The EU is not exactly a beacon of democracy, I’m a Brit and we have unelected officials governing our everyday lives, European law overrides English Law, democracy is dead in Europe, I think Turkey would be smart to stay out of the EU.

  53. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:26

    @47 : I’m far from being a Bush supporter and i knew that the invasion of Iraq would stir a lot of BS but as far as freedom in the U.S vs freedom in that hellhole region is it’s not even comparable.The U.S is far from being perfect but when you take a look at the Saudis , Iran , Russia , China , ect you realize that the Americans have it much easier.Just go live in China , Saudi Arabia or Russia for a year and you will quickly realize that.

  54. denis
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:30

    ignorance is eating Turkey and as far as I can see it’s eating the world too.
    How can you call yourself human when you’re wishing some other people dead?

    All this Turkey this Greece that USA this is about propaganda and I guess we’re too ignorant to notice this

  55. denis
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:32

    by the way read a little before you talk.
    Turkey was invited to join the EU but did not since we’re just a bunch of ignorant megalomaniacs

  56. pwner
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:35

    Turkey is primitive, period.

    People from Turkey: don’t say that your country was s0 b1g & pwnz. It grew only because of conquer of small and lame balkanian countries (they’re still somewhat lame), and it started to decompose after lost battle with drunken Poles.

    @44
    These bans are to protect world from nazism. Are you nazi?

  57. anonymouz
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:39

    I shame on this behaviour. Bans won’t solve anything. Grievous people reached their desires. Enforcers can’t fight against these pathetic, grievous people, so they ban the website and they think if nobody access the website(from Turkiye), there will be no problem.

    Why people resist to write bad things about Ataturk.(Maybe they can’t put up with this situation). Also, if you become a real Muslim with praying, making religious exercises, but with lying, stealing, insulting other people, then i am not a real Muslim. How can you question somebody’s religion? How can you know sth between Allah and prayer. Shame on you too brother(number 41). Ottomans didn’t write and talk in Arabic. They write and talk in Ottoman, old Turkish(reformed into modern Turkish) and other ethnic languages. Ottoman is very different from Arabic. Ataturk changed it because he wanted every person learn how to write. You are so arrogant. I bet you don’t accept Alawism as a part of Islam. Do you think you will go to the paradise, after insulting people?

  58. fanouli
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:39

    @53
    If the Americans are so great fans of freedom, why they impose dicatorships everywhere, Greece, South America, Afghanistan (talibans), Iraq and many others?

    Anyway, I spoke about free expression and there isn’t any real freedom of speech there. And for your infdormation the rest of the world hated Americans before Bush too. You are the biggest war criminals of history.

  59. common sense
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:40

    all those people who now talk about censorship being bad…. this site does it too, like any other site, country, nation, religion, political idealogy, etc. so stop the hypocricy.

    also, go on youtube, post a video being disrespectful about jews and your account will get banned in an instant… it is not freedom of expression. yet you can disrespect turks, blacks, etc and it is freedom of expression?

    lol, pot, kettle, black…..

    on top of that turkish people dont want to join EU, only the corrupt government who is the puppet of the EU wants it for their own corporate interests. ask any turk and he will say no to the fascist EU. i know many turks, not 1 of them favors it.

  60. Ataturk
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:41

    Blame Goddamned tayyip not me or my country!!!

  61. toninio
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:42

    hmm…modern western civilizations slaved and raped the world in past and doing it today too (british and usa). islams live like it is year 1008. not 2008. com on people its 21.st century…come to your senses. the world needs some massive revolutions

  62. judge
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:43

    @ denis, I was not referring to the individual states of Europe, but the unelected body that is the European Union, there is a difference, and I think its a blessing in disguise for Turkey, you’re the guy who needs an education. We never had a vote on the constitution or “treaty” as Gordon Brown and Labour refer to it, and we are pretty much sleepwalking into a unlected, unwanted, United States of Europe, the reality is English Law is superceded by European Law and neither you or I have a real say on the matter.

  63. you generalizing people are nuts
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:48

    so when the usa government approves drowning people to get info out of them, it means ALL american citizens support it?

    ok, just checking.

    btw, turkey is maybe officially muslim, yet most turks do not live like muslims, its just a cultural thing to say you are one, like italians say they are catholic while they couldnt care less. turks are seen as heretics by muslims in general.

  64. you generalizing people are nuts
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:50

    judge is on the money, there is no democracy involved in the EU or most “democratic” countries. its all hidden dictatorships, like socrates predicted.

  65. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:51

    @58 : I don’t totally disagree with you.The U.S did a lot of bad stuff since the 1950’s like overthrowing democratically elected leaders to replace them with dictators (IE:The Shah of Iran) because it was suiting their interests.I understand very well the anti-American sentiment that seems to be prevalent in many countries.

    However , as far as freedom of speech in the U.S , you are wrong.In America you can say that you hate the President and you can criticize the governement all you want without fear of retribution.Try to do that in let’s say China and come back to me.Actually , you probably wouldn’t come back to me because you would be in jail or dead.Despite all it’s faults , America still has more freedom of speech than in many many countries in the world.

  66. !
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:52

    F*ck all turks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Always trying to deny armenian genocide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Reping all armo rls loggers out their!

  67. sathie
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:52

    Way to take yourselves far too seriously, Turkey.

    Banning a website probably enjoyed by a lot of the teens and young adults in your country is the most awesome way I can think of showing the people who post those videos that they’re winning.

    Complain, get them taken down if they are actually offensive, if they aren’t taken down maybe you’re over-reacting.

  68. dj
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:01

    avrupalisiniz orospu cocugusunuz lan gotler senelerdir ne bok yediginiz belli! avrupaliyim diye nedir lan bu muhabbetler? bok cukurlari, geldik hollanda ve almanyayi da gorduk!
    medeniyiz diyorsunuz ama ‘m’sinden eser yok!
    ATATURK ve TURKLERE bok atmadan once senelerce sikilen akrabalarinizi, dedelerinizi bir dusunun! TURK e laf atanin sonu belli…

    sikerim ananizi orospu cocuklari, bok atmayin lan TURKIYE’ye artik, yettiniz amk gavatlari

    i could write eng but you have to search for TURKCE to read my comment. now search and read with your fu.kin eyes if you can

  69. fanouli
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:04

    @65
    That’s why when a music band (Dixie chicks i think) said something bad about Bush had their concerts cancelled and every station banned their music. That is the meaning of no retribution?

    Maybe you don’t go in jail but you face other problems. The nice thing about Europe is that the press criticizes freely and people get really informed. Did the media there eventually say that there weren’t any nuclears in Iraq? I really doubt it.

  70. biteme
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:07

    Posting 1st or any other off topic will get you permanantly banned…..
    Seems like rslog is just as guilty…..

  71. BecaHa
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:11

    Theres no such thing as democracy in Turkey….
    Biji Azadiya Welat!

  72. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:12

    @69 : Some conservative stations may have boycotted the Dixie Chicks because of their antiwar position but it was in their right to do so and it wasn’t imposed by the governement.The DC still play regularly on many stations across the country so your argument is invalid.Yes the mainstream media is corporate and controlled but there are many other sources of information available.I countries like China or Russia all of these other sources are censored and silenced.That ain’t the case in the U.S.

    A lot of people criticize the Bush governement all the time and never had any problems.Of course now if you you threaten to blow out the White House or kill Bush that’s another thing because it may be seen as a threat by the Feds but criticizing the policies of the governement shouldn’t bring a an army of men dressed in black suits at your front door.

  73. a tunisian
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:15

    well, this a little bit funny, it has been about 3 mounths that youtube is banned in tunisia, and about 1 year for the french equivalent : dailymotion
    …
    and no body talks about it, there is not even a court’s order !!!

    just like that, another site added to the huge tunisian firewall ….

    the funny thing, is that those stupid working on blocking sites, just blocked the english version of youtube, I mean, you just need to replace the “www.” with “fr.” on the link, to get the video.
    Recently, they blocked the “fr.youtube” :D
    they ignore that the “fr.” can be replaced by “de.” or “es.” ….

    viva tunisia

  74. QuadrupelQ
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:21

    There’s more to come:

    A Dutch politician (G. Wilders) will release an ‘anti-muslim’ movie on YouTube, one that probably will insult the Quran (holy book) in some matter. Young muslims in the big cities are already telling the press that they will riot no matter what is shown in the movie.

    Resistance against free-speech = terrorism? It sure seems like it!

  75. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:21

    @73 : I feel for you man.Tunisia’s situation is not as bad as many countries in the world but it’s still a one party state.I wish that hopefully you guys will know true democracy one day and that all that censoring BS will stop.

  76. Armen
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:24

    Turkey quit denying the Armenian genocide, the facts are right in front of you. And stop threatening you’re own Allies (U.S) when the genocide resolution came out.

  77. VipeR
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:28

    Do any of those courts know what a proxy is ?

  78. Dipdip
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:29

    Why is this Releaselog material anyway? We had heated (yet equally non-sense) discussions on articles even less related to Turks than this one (i.e. Crisis, Fog and the Night). This one simple calls for Turcophobia. Also finishing the article with a nice little reminder: “And this country wants to join the European Union…”. Are we to ‘assume good faith’ in mod Martin’s actions?

    PS F EU. Enjoy your post-modern fascist state.

  79. Cannonballkid
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:32

    say what you want about America and the West in general but its times like these where i’m proud I can enjoy the simple liberty of watching “The Leave Britney Alone!” long live free speech

  80. Graner316
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:34

    I didn’t know Turkeys could use a computer let alone have access to the internet. Someone edit wikipedia’s thanksgiving page quick before they revolt!!!

  81. korel
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:39

    We all want freedom of expression but the thing what you understand from civilization is blasphemy!

    Ataturk is a hero who called all slave nations for freedom (especially Muslims) and gave them hope of FREEDOM. But you “civilized” people don’t know the meaning of this. Because you are meaningless. While you eating your burgers and downloading porn, thousands of people dies from wars you caused.

    God bless “good” people all around the world and i wish mercy for all the others…

  82. keks
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:46

    seeing this news as an opportunity to go at turkey or turkish people is as villainous as the news itself. if you still wish to go at it, reveal your origin first, so we can enjoy your glorious history all together.

  83. XYZ
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:46

    Turkey+EU???
    Borat says: NOT!!!

  84. Armen
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:49

    talat pasha is burning in hell as we speak.

  85. Dipdip
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:01

    @81

    I’ll drink to that.

    Nothing like watching these internet heroes jumping on their high horses at any given chance (such as this), playing the defender and commander of all that is righteous and moral in the world.

    These heroes tend to believe their righteousness and morality are warranted by their nationality, race, religion or whatever. Ignorance is bliss, ignoring at what expense (or more importantly whose expense) each developed country today prospered and progressed in time. Most things they take for granted. I try to not bother myself with it too much but they make the most of world’s population so it’s hard to avoid.

  86. its not me
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:08

    I’m hearing a lot of crap about america and free speech. There is no free speech in America, the Media and government is always lying to you. They say what they want the people to hear, not the truth.

    Oh btw, if there was free speech Bush would’ve called the armenian genocide a genocide at least. Instead, the called the deaths of 1.5 million Armenians a “tragedy.” Seems like he can’t even say what he wants or else their little biatches turkey might get offended. Genocide here in America is not recognized for the sake of army bases. R.I.P Hrand Dink, murdered cause he mentioned the Armenian genocide in an article in turkey.

  87. LULZ
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:11

    For those Turkish banned
    just use
    http://www.mathfreedom.info/
    Enjoy :D

  88. Sebastian
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:12

    Turkey is a fascisitic overmilitarized land that likes to hunt down and kill its own neighbours. Just think of the Armenian Genocide (1.500.000 Armenians killed and raped by the Turks, ask the Greeks who suffered 400 years(!) under the brutal ottoman boot, ask the Kurds who are hunted down and assasinated by the Turks as we speak, ask the Cypriots whose country in 1974 was cold-blooded invaded and occupied by the brutal turkish army etc. To all those neighbours who got to know Turks well, the Youtube-ban is no surprise at all. Turks are unfortunately still living in the dark times of Middleage.

  89. Corsair
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:14

    I am Hellin, living in Hellas, where there is a huge satira and criticism against our goverment. I just came back from my vacations in Sweet Paris (where i can go whenever i like), where there is a huge satira and criticism against Sarcozi and i remember very good the satira and criticism against Berluskoni in Italy. We may still have problematic Democracies But i believe we are on the correct path.

  90. Johney666
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:14

    If some lameass person tries to malign Ataturk, does it actually harm the legend who is not alive anymore or does it remove him from the respected position in the mind of all of his devoted worshipers? Ataturk was, is and will remain as a hero because he simply was. Useless steps like this will only harm the image of Turkey. And NO AT LEAST THIS SUPID ACT OF STUBBORNNESS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HARDCORE ISLAMIC FANATICISM.
    This reminds me of a similar incident when some1 from US had posted a funny video of himself posing as Gandhi striping & doing a (really bad) polldance. This prompted the Indian Govt. to ban Youtube as was expected - but no that wasn’t all, the ban was lifted before a fortnite was over as being the highest populated democracy in the world, Indians knew the true value of free speech. That video clip is still available in YT, just no one watches it anymore… :D

    Finally on a lighter note:
    Once when they met during a summit, Regan told Gorbachev, “You know, even if someone shouts standing at the Time Square “I wanna fcuk the as5 of the prez of US as he is a sick b4strd” noone will do anything to him - coz that’s the spirit of democracy and freedom of speech my friend!”
    Gorbachev replied “Big deal, if the does the same standing in front of Cremlin, he will even be awarded! That’s the spirit of USSR my friend!”
    ;)

  91. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:18

    @86 : This is completely flawed logic.The government and the media lying are two completely different thing.Here , let me help you :

    “Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. The right to freedom of speech is guaranteed under international law through numerous human rights instruments, notably under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, although implementation remains lacking in many countries. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes preferred, since the right is not confined to verbal speech but is understood to protect any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

    In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country, although the degree of freedom varies greatly. Industrialized countries also have varying approaches to balance freedom with order. For instance, the United States First Amendment theoretically grants absolute freedom, placing the burden upon the state to demonstrate when (if) a limitation of this freedom is necessary. In almost all liberal democracies, it is generally recognized that restrictions should be the exception and free expression the rule; nevertheless, compliance with this principle is often lacking.”

    To claim that America doesn’t have any freedom of speech is just funny and ignorant.As far as Georgie calling the Armenian genocide a genocie , this has nothing to do with freedom of speech once again.It’s all about being politically correct to not offend our “allies”.

    Try again

  92. saint
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:26

    this has nothing to do with free expression. one cant have the right to insult the values that millions gave great importance.. if u want u can insult your own ones and call it free expression.. i call it degeneration and cheap way to get attraction.. besides near 700 years millions lived freely,keeping their own faith and religion under turkish rule in three continents, while u ’so called civilized’ people of europe were exploiting the world and killing millions.. this hasnt changed today is it? france in algeria,germans in ww2,england all over the world …but in the end U are civilized,while we are the barbarians. !!!!

  93. ikea
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:32

    i dont get it, how to europeans have what kind of a sick mentality???
    hey people! you’re talking about kill all turkish people for reason our court banned youtube.
    its not seems to a democratic crictism for the protest this stupid enforcement.

    for example

    quote”
    F*ck all turks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Always trying to deny armenian genocide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Reping all armo rls loggers out their!
    quote”

    is this yours democratic ideas about us?

  94. Brambor
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:42

    And they want to be a part of European Union :( I hope that those actions against freedom will bury Turkey’s chance to be with us.

  95. Werner
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:43

    @ 12 TGF, right on!

  96. RiNgDiNgDoNg
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:44

    This is why Turkey, if it wants to join the European Union, needs to pull its F.U.C.king head out of its arse. What 3rd world banana republic bu.ll.sh.it.

  97. Feather
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:44

    Wow you guys are still insulting about races and cultures. You still don’t know we’re all humans. I’m sorry guys but I really pity you. I know a lot of people around the world. I met a British person and he was so nice and generous but I didn’t say “all the British ppl are good” after I saw that guy. I met a French person and he was lame to people and he was selfish too but I didn’t say “wow this guy is totally lame. then all French ppl must be lame” or something. I met Romanians, Hungarians, Japaneses, Turks ect but I never judged all their nations because of them because it’s not the person what makes a nation good or evil. A person can’t just mirror all behaviours of their nation’s people. If you can’t understand that, then don’t blame anybody with barbarism, it’s you who is barbarian!

  98. cyan
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:45

    At @38. Yes indeed. kemal was a turk that was born in Greece and kemal ALSO slaughtered thousand of Christian while he stood on his balcony and enjoyed his acts, hearing christian babies get killed. Well done “what a brave and modern man”.

  99. Dipdip
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:00

    This board is filled with disinformation, misinformation, hatred, bias, libel and all with lame language. There are some voices of reason here and there but they are easily lost in all this mess. It pretty much sums up the world we live in today. Thank you for bringing this very important news to us Martin. How dare a Turkish court bans YouTube. How dare Turks execute their own laws when they should be adopting EU laws like all little good-boy Euro-states did. You wouldn’t recognize fascism unless you saw a German with a half moustache.

  100. bold
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:09

    if you don’t know the history do not comment on cyan…there is a saying in turkiye:do not put forward an idea without knowledge(specially about history)

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