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Turkey banned access to YouTube again

A Turkish court has again blocked access to the popular video-sharing Web site YouTube, and reports Sunday suggested the ban was a response to clips that allegedly insult Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the country’s founding father. Users trying to access the site from Turkey were met with notices in English and Turkish saying access to the Web site was banned under an Ankara court’s order. The notices said the court order was issued Jan. 17. In March, another court blocked access to YouTube, which is owned by California-based Google Inc., for two days after a complaint that some clips insulted Ataturk, a war hero who founded Turkey from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The ban was lifted after YouTube removed the offending videos.

Vatan newspaper said Sunday the current ban was also imposed because of videos that were allegedly disrespectful of Ataturk. It is illegal in Turkey to insult Ataturk, a revered figure whose portrait still hangs in nearly all government offices almost 70 years since his death in 1938. It was not clear how long the current ban would last. The state-run Anatolia said YouTube officials issued a statement saying the company hoped access would be re-established quickly.The YouTube bans in Turkey have highlight the country’s troubled record on free expression. Several prominent Turkish journalists and writers — including Nobel literature prize winner Orhan Pamuk — have been tried for allegedly insulting “Turkishness.” And this country wants to join the European Union…

Source: Fox 

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  1. HollyWood
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:10

    yeah – maybe U.S. will ban youtube too after all there is so many clips that offend bush..

    those barbarians never learn

    i hope one day they will be civilized…

  2. kemal
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:10

    Shame on you, Turkey.

    yaramaz cocuk!

  3. hellas
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:12

    hell yeah babay greece !!!! Florida Of Europe!

  4. Blinx
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:13

    meh, ill wait for the proper.

  5. xeroti
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:14

    i’m a turk too, but this really isn’t smart, why would they ban youtube, they just damage their own people even more. ataturk can suck a **** imo

  6. seriously_dude
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:16

    Poor primitive islamists :-(

    Get with the times plz …

  7. linksasap
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:18

    Turkey must become democratic

  8. there_is_a_tattooed_bald-headed_man_standing_behind_you_and_his_pen1s_is_deep_inside_your_rectum
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:19

    All they are good for is making Turkish delight.

  9. KRIEGHOFF
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:22

    Well corruption is rife within the EEC, So I suppose they’ll do quite well

  10. Akif Bayram
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:22

    Making fun of Islam and the people of the country doesn’t make sense. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was not a religious man, he tried to modernize the country. Also, I’m pretty damn sure the people of the country didn’t want YouTube banned. You have to remember it IS against the law to make fun of him or any other high status person. Trying to even get rid of that law would be difficult and contreversal. This has NOTHING to do with ISLAM and ISLAMIST. Islamist, at most, don’t like Ataturk.
    and hellas, why bring up Greece?

  11. anonymous
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:25

    Well at least we can sleep with confidence knowing that Turkey won’t be in the EU.

  12. TGF
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:25

    can u say “proxy”

  13. knux
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:26

    I scoff at Turkey oops rlslog just got banned… oy cmon o well im gonna go back to drawing my religious cartoons of gods that are supposed to not be drawn.

  14. sean
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:29

    @1
    It’s something different with Bush and Ataturk if you are comparing them with their political status cuz’ Ataturk has a very social & emotional impact on every Turkish citizen’s heart. Therefore thinking in this focus, you can realize the degree of sensitivity in Turkish people. Ofcourse free speech is supported if not in a hostile manner. I agree that banning a site is illogical and not a solution but Turks are emotional people and this is totally unrelated with barbarianism and etc.

  15. njxs
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:29

    there we go again…..i am sick and tired of politically motivated actions….no matter what country you look at, internet censorship seems to be gaining ground….

    why exactly can people just think of it as just another video?

    there was a video insulting Gandhi a few months back …caused quite a furore in India, but didn’t result in any bans…

  16. wizardofeast
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:33

    FREE EXPRESSION
    Just tell me a place where it can be.
    The border of your freedom is the border of other.
    But on the other hand i must admit by banning , we are being the part of the problem.

    What will u gain by insulting people,religions and events ?

    If you gonna call us barbarians, refer to the current records of killing and slaving of many civilized nations.

  17. redjune
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:38

    you sure turkey will be pleased without europe

  18. LOL
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:39

    they only make them self look bad

    LOL on the random Greece post that have nothing to do with the news LOL

  19. jackketch
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:39

    @ wizardofeast

    Of course turks are civilised….*cough* kurdish genocide*cough*

    Oh wasn’t attaturk a known paedophile?

    With any luck we’ll keep turkey out of the EU for a long time to come, get the PKK unbanned and get the land back for greece you stole.

  20. yo
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:43

    barbarians=pasty white folk=prmitive
    Ottoman Empire fostered science and classical studies when they
    ruled much of Europe.
    Joining the E.U. is a step down not up = new world order

  21. hushbabydoll
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:44

    @19

    yeah I’ll laugh off my arse to that pal… dream on…

  22. hiyou2000
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:45

    So many uncivilized Greeks.

    Aren’t Athenian philosophers known as pedophiles + homosexuals? Attatuk isn’t even about Islam at all, go get some history lessons plz. Internet isn’t only about free pr0n and wareZ

    It’s such a shame to see such great men having such poor descendants.

  23. john dykes
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:46

    @10

    not about islam? it’s all about islam and their conservative views here. unlike most of you ignorant pricks, i actually have lived in a muslim state and know a thing or two about islam views, customs etc.

    a state that cannot tolerate mocking of its leaders or other highly regarded figures is by western standards not a modern or progressive state. (example: germany’s angela merkel on the front page of a prominent german magazine, openly criticism towards g. bush on national television etc)

    any way you want to look at it, the islamist ideals will always collide with “modern” western values.

  24. horror_wood
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:46

    In Pakistan,Pervez Musharraf has passed a new law in which blogs have been banned.This was after numerous blogs against the government when the emergency was imposed.
    Now,bloggers will be sentenced to death!

  25. T
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:48

    proxy servers huh ;) haha

  26. bullet_tooth
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:49

    Not just youtube,even social networking sites like Orkut,Facebook etc. are banned in places like Qatar,Saudi.

  27. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:49

    I just wish it would be possible to put a gigantic dome on the whole region (Saudi Arabia , Iran , Turkey , Iraq , Israel , Pakistan ect)and let them kill each others.

    The world would be better place after that

  28. ancient
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:52

    @19
    Oh wasn’t attaturk a known paedophile?

    It’s normal you think everyone is paedophile since you’ve been abused for years. Take some pills to ease your pain boy, everything will be allright after your 12nd birthday.

  29. john dykes
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:52

    @22

    ataturk not abt islam? duh.. obviously some of us didnt properly read thru the post. its abt how the turkish government with its islamist/conservative views deal with satires

  30. whatever
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:54

    This is very funny to me!! What a loser country.. haha

  31. REB
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:55

    Useless crap country.

  32. horror_wood
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:55

    @27 Blu-Ray is God
    The worlde would’ve been better place if George Bush was assassinated after 9/11.Musharraf too.
    Mush n Bush..what a ‘deadly’ combination!

  33. bullet_tooth
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:57

    lol^

  34. john dykes
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:57

    it may be unfair to label all muslim states with the same prejudice. but come on, lets not be naive, no one can deny that there is a clear pattern of oppression by muslim goverments towards its own people.

    they just love forcing their ideals and views on others, even if it means that they wont progress

  35. KRIEGHOFF
    January 21st, 2008 | 18:58

    FREE EXPRESSION
    well I’m free to call Gordon Brown a TWAT if i want to. he is a TWAT, by the way
    But am I free to worship in church, or carry a bible in Saudi Arabia?, wear a crucifix in the Maldives?
    But immigrants come to my country, free to worship how they want, plot to kill us,take our benefits, then have the bloody nerve to say they are being attacked by the west.

  36. hiyou2000
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:01

    Honoring Attatuk is about nationalism, it’s like honoring Washington, Lincoln, etc.

    Absolutely nothing to do with religions.

    They can be called conservative? Yes. Freaks? Why not? But religious fanatics? NO.

    To Turkish ppl and law, honoring the father of the Turkey’s foundation is as important as prtecting their children from pedophiles to Western ppl, I don’t see any harm in that. Are they calling fanatics to suicide bomb Youtube servers? Jeez, you too should chill out a little.

  37. djdx
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:02

    Blow up Pakistan and the world will be a safer place!

  38. anon
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:03

    Ataturk was born in Greece and lets not forget that. I am one of many who believe that both country’s are the different sides of the same coin.

    Unification, peace, harmony under the 1 common thing we all have in common in the World..Let’s fight for Love everyone.

  39. rs
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:04

    glad I’m not in Turkey

  40. Saime
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:05

    lol o.o

  41. Assassin
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:07

    Ataturk was not a muslim .. he tried to change all muslims habit and he even changed the arabic language and forbid talking in it.
    He also tried to remove everything related to islamic religion and it’s history ..
    I am a muslim and I thank god that his plans never made it all the way to the nation of islam ..
    May he burns in hell ..

  42. offroad
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:07

    It’s a shame of the courts (for Turks), but i don’t know, all the other countries citizens talk here like their courts&judges etc. are wonderful..hey americans, isn’t Bush your president? what are u doing in iraq? the EU community citizens, dont u cry to get appart from EU? hellas..i dont have anything u to say..u always cry when Turks do something and ask for your brothers..lol..

  43. The Guy
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:09

    LMFAO @ 8s name

  44. judge
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:10

    David Irving, the British historian, was jailed in Austria for denying the true extent of the Holocaust, in Germany the Swastika and other Nazi related symbols are banned, Turkey are banning access to Youtube. Look at these examples, they are relatively harmless, yet look at what the authorities have done. In my opinion there is no such thing as free speech in Europe, we need America to liberate us lol

  45. sean
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:10

    the ones that compare Turkey to Saudi A. Iran etc. should revise their knowledge because we have nothing in common in societal or political manner with them. Imho, focusing only on the religious aspect of a country is the uncivilized “loser” behavior.

  46. offroad
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:11

    also it is very simple to connect you tube from ip number…LOL:-P

  47. fanouli
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:13

    KRIEGHOFF
    You brought it on yourselves when you invaded along with the Americans Iraq and supressed all the human rights the Iraqis had. Everyone in the world hates British and Americans, so you better sleep with an eye open.

    The least of world’s problems is the banning of youtube by Turkey. Is there any free expression in USA? The medias show only what suits the government and its imperialistic policy. If anyone tries to say a different opinion, is blocked by every media.

    By the way I am Greek and Christian, so I am not prejudised at any way.

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    January 21st, 2008 | 19:14

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  49. Cab
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:15

    Armenian Power ;)

  50. Aslı
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:18

    I’m a turk too and I’m a chirstian.
    Here let me give you some inside tips:
    Ataturk was not a religious/islamic person. Islam bans alcohol and he died from cirrhosis..
    But the youtube ban, caused by islamic government. The ban’s reason is not the videos making fun of Atatürk. It’s the videos making fun of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan & Abdullah Gül.
    But press don’t mention it, because we don’t have a free press here. Also it’s under control of the government..
    I lost all my hopes to recover, at first chance I’ll leave this country for good..

  51. sean
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:20

    @41
    You know nothing about Ataturk do you?
    You wrote some nonsense bullsh*t just like an uneducated, prejudiced person.. you are pathetic

  52. judge
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:21

    The EU is not exactly a beacon of democracy, I’m a Brit and we have unelected officials governing our everyday lives, European law overrides English Law, democracy is dead in Europe, I think Turkey would be smart to stay out of the EU.

  53. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:26

    @47 : I’m far from being a Bush supporter and i knew that the invasion of Iraq would stir a lot of BS but as far as freedom in the U.S vs freedom in that hellhole region is it’s not even comparable.The U.S is far from being perfect but when you take a look at the Saudis , Iran , Russia , China , ect you realize that the Americans have it much easier.Just go live in China , Saudi Arabia or Russia for a year and you will quickly realize that.

  54. denis
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:30

    ignorance is eating Turkey and as far as I can see it’s eating the world too.
    How can you call yourself human when you’re wishing some other people dead?

    All this Turkey this Greece that USA this is about propaganda and I guess we’re too ignorant to notice this

  55. denis
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:32

    by the way read a little before you talk.
    Turkey was invited to join the EU but did not since we’re just a bunch of ignorant megalomaniacs

  56. pwner
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:35

    Turkey is primitive, period.

    People from Turkey: don’t say that your country was s0 b1g & pwnz. It grew only because of conquer of small and lame balkanian countries (they’re still somewhat lame), and it started to decompose after lost battle with drunken Poles.

    @44
    These bans are to protect world from nazism. Are you nazi?

  57. anonymouz
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:39

    I shame on this behaviour. Bans won’t solve anything. Grievous people reached their desires. Enforcers can’t fight against these pathetic, grievous people, so they ban the website and they think if nobody access the website(from Turkiye), there will be no problem.

    Why people resist to write bad things about Ataturk.(Maybe they can’t put up with this situation). Also, if you become a real Muslim with praying, making religious exercises, but with lying, stealing, insulting other people, then i am not a real Muslim. How can you question somebody’s religion? How can you know sth between Allah and prayer. Shame on you too brother(number 41). Ottomans didn’t write and talk in Arabic. They write and talk in Ottoman, old Turkish(reformed into modern Turkish) and other ethnic languages. Ottoman is very different from Arabic. Ataturk changed it because he wanted every person learn how to write. You are so arrogant. I bet you don’t accept Alawism as a part of Islam. Do you think you will go to the paradise, after insulting people?

  58. fanouli
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:39

    @53
    If the Americans are so great fans of freedom, why they impose dicatorships everywhere, Greece, South America, Afghanistan (talibans), Iraq and many others?

    Anyway, I spoke about free expression and there isn’t any real freedom of speech there. And for your infdormation the rest of the world hated Americans before Bush too. You are the biggest war criminals of history.

  59. common sense
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:40

    all those people who now talk about censorship being bad…. this site does it too, like any other site, country, nation, religion, political idealogy, etc. so stop the hypocricy.

    also, go on youtube, post a video being disrespectful about jews and your account will get banned in an instant… it is not freedom of expression. yet you can disrespect turks, blacks, etc and it is freedom of expression?

    lol, pot, kettle, black…..

    on top of that turkish people dont want to join EU, only the corrupt government who is the puppet of the EU wants it for their own corporate interests. ask any turk and he will say no to the fascist EU. i know many turks, not 1 of them favors it.

  60. Ataturk
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:41

    Blame Goddamned tayyip not me or my country!!!

  61. toninio
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:42

    hmm…modern western civilizations slaved and raped the world in past and doing it today too (british and usa). islams live like it is year 1008. not 2008. com on people its 21.st century…come to your senses. the world needs some massive revolutions

  62. judge
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:43

    @ denis, I was not referring to the individual states of Europe, but the unelected body that is the European Union, there is a difference, and I think its a blessing in disguise for Turkey, you’re the guy who needs an education. We never had a vote on the constitution or “treaty” as Gordon Brown and Labour refer to it, and we are pretty much sleepwalking into a unlected, unwanted, United States of Europe, the reality is English Law is superceded by European Law and neither you or I have a real say on the matter.

  63. you generalizing people are nuts
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:48

    so when the usa government approves drowning people to get info out of them, it means ALL american citizens support it?

    ok, just checking.

    btw, turkey is maybe officially muslim, yet most turks do not live like muslims, its just a cultural thing to say you are one, like italians say they are catholic while they couldnt care less. turks are seen as heretics by muslims in general.

  64. you generalizing people are nuts
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:50

    judge is on the money, there is no democracy involved in the EU or most “democratic” countries. its all hidden dictatorships, like socrates predicted.

  65. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:51

    @58 : I don’t totally disagree with you.The U.S did a lot of bad stuff since the 1950′s like overthrowing democratically elected leaders to replace them with dictators (IE:The Shah of Iran) because it was suiting their interests.I understand very well the anti-American sentiment that seems to be prevalent in many countries.

    However , as far as freedom of speech in the U.S , you are wrong.In America you can say that you hate the President and you can criticize the governement all you want without fear of retribution.Try to do that in let’s say China and come back to me.Actually , you probably wouldn’t come back to me because you would be in jail or dead.Despite all it’s faults , America still has more freedom of speech than in many many countries in the world.

  66. !
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:52

    F*ck all turks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Always trying to deny armenian genocide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Reping all armo rls loggers out their!

  67. sathie
    January 21st, 2008 | 19:52

    Way to take yourselves far too seriously, Turkey.

    Banning a website probably enjoyed by a lot of the teens and young adults in your country is the most awesome way I can think of showing the people who post those videos that they’re winning.

    Complain, get them taken down if they are actually offensive, if they aren’t taken down maybe you’re over-reacting.

  68. dj
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:01

    avrupalisiniz orospu cocugusunuz lan gotler senelerdir ne bok yediginiz belli! avrupaliyim diye nedir lan bu muhabbetler? bok cukurlari, geldik hollanda ve almanyayi da gorduk!
    medeniyiz diyorsunuz ama ‘m’sinden eser yok!
    ATATURK ve TURKLERE bok atmadan once senelerce sikilen akrabalarinizi, dedelerinizi bir dusunun! TURK e laf atanin sonu belli…

    sikerim ananizi orospu cocuklari, bok atmayin lan TURKIYE’ye artik, yettiniz amk gavatlari

    i could write eng but you have to search for TURKCE to read my comment. now search and read with your fu.kin eyes if you can

  69. fanouli
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:04

    @65
    That’s why when a music band (Dixie chicks i think) said something bad about Bush had their concerts cancelled and every station banned their music. That is the meaning of no retribution?

    Maybe you don’t go in jail but you face other problems. The nice thing about Europe is that the press criticizes freely and people get really informed. Did the media there eventually say that there weren’t any nuclears in Iraq? I really doubt it.

  70. biteme
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:07

    Posting 1st or any other off topic will get you permanantly banned…..
    Seems like rslog is just as guilty…..

  71. BecaHa
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:11

    Theres no such thing as democracy in Turkey….
    Biji Azadiya Welat!

  72. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:12

    @69 : Some conservative stations may have boycotted the Dixie Chicks because of their antiwar position but it was in their right to do so and it wasn’t imposed by the governement.The DC still play regularly on many stations across the country so your argument is invalid.Yes the mainstream media is corporate and controlled but there are many other sources of information available.I countries like China or Russia all of these other sources are censored and silenced.That ain’t the case in the U.S.

    A lot of people criticize the Bush governement all the time and never had any problems.Of course now if you you threaten to blow out the White House or kill Bush that’s another thing because it may be seen as a threat by the Feds but criticizing the policies of the governement shouldn’t bring a an army of men dressed in black suits at your front door.

  73. a tunisian
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:15

    well, this a little bit funny, it has been about 3 mounths that youtube is banned in tunisia, and about 1 year for the french equivalent : dailymotion

    and no body talks about it, there is not even a court’s order !!!

    just like that, another site added to the huge tunisian firewall ….

    the funny thing, is that those stupid working on blocking sites, just blocked the english version of youtube, I mean, you just need to replace the “www.” with “fr.” on the link, to get the video.
    Recently, they blocked the “fr.youtube” :D
    they ignore that the “fr.” can be replaced by “de.” or “es.” ….

    viva tunisia

  74. QuadrupelQ
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:21

    There’s more to come:

    A Dutch politician (G. Wilders) will release an ‘anti-muslim’ movie on YouTube, one that probably will insult the Quran (holy book) in some matter. Young muslims in the big cities are already telling the press that they will riot no matter what is shown in the movie.

    Resistance against free-speech = terrorism? It sure seems like it!

  75. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:21

    @73 : I feel for you man.Tunisia’s situation is not as bad as many countries in the world but it’s still a one party state.I wish that hopefully you guys will know true democracy one day and that all that censoring BS will stop.

  76. Armen
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:24

    Turkey quit denying the Armenian genocide, the facts are right in front of you. And stop threatening you’re own Allies (U.S) when the genocide resolution came out.

  77. VipeR
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:28

    Do any of those courts know what a proxy is ?

  78. Dipdip
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:29

    Why is this Releaselog material anyway? We had heated (yet equally non-sense) discussions on articles even less related to Turks than this one (i.e. Crisis, Fog and the Night). This one simple calls for Turcophobia. Also finishing the article with a nice little reminder: “And this country wants to join the European Union…”. Are we to ‘assume good faith’ in mod Martin’s actions?

    PS F EU. Enjoy your post-modern fascist state.

  79. Cannonballkid
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:32

    say what you want about America and the West in general but its times like these where i’m proud I can enjoy the simple liberty of watching “The Leave Britney Alone!” long live free speech

  80. Graner316
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:34

    I didn’t know Turkeys could use a computer let alone have access to the internet. Someone edit wikipedia’s thanksgiving page quick before they revolt!!!

  81. korel
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:39

    We all want freedom of expression but the thing what you understand from civilization is blasphemy!

    Ataturk is a hero who called all slave nations for freedom (especially Muslims) and gave them hope of FREEDOM. But you “civilized” people don’t know the meaning of this. Because you are meaningless. While you eating your burgers and downloading porn, thousands of people dies from wars you caused.

    God bless “good” people all around the world and i wish mercy for all the others…

  82. keks
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:46

    seeing this news as an opportunity to go at turkey or turkish people is as villainous as the news itself. if you still wish to go at it, reveal your origin first, so we can enjoy your glorious history all together.

  83. XYZ
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:46

    Turkey+EU???
    Borat says: NOT!!!

  84. Armen
    January 21st, 2008 | 20:49

    talat pasha is burning in hell as we speak.

  85. Dipdip
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:01

    @81

    I’ll drink to that.

    Nothing like watching these internet heroes jumping on their high horses at any given chance (such as this), playing the defender and commander of all that is righteous and moral in the world.

    These heroes tend to believe their righteousness and morality are warranted by their nationality, race, religion or whatever. Ignorance is bliss, ignoring at what expense (or more importantly whose expense) each developed country today prospered and progressed in time. Most things they take for granted. I try to not bother myself with it too much but they make the most of world’s population so it’s hard to avoid.

  86. its not me
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:08

    I’m hearing a lot of crap about america and free speech. There is no free speech in America, the Media and government is always lying to you. They say what they want the people to hear, not the truth.

    Oh btw, if there was free speech Bush would’ve called the armenian genocide a genocide at least. Instead, the called the deaths of 1.5 million Armenians a “tragedy.” Seems like he can’t even say what he wants or else their little biatches turkey might get offended. Genocide here in America is not recognized for the sake of army bases. R.I.P Hrand Dink, murdered cause he mentioned the Armenian genocide in an article in turkey.

  87. Sebastian
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:12

    Turkey is a fascisitic overmilitarized land that likes to hunt down and kill its own neighbours. Just think of the Armenian Genocide (1.500.000 Armenians killed and raped by the Turks, ask the Greeks who suffered 400 years(!) under the brutal ottoman boot, ask the Kurds who are hunted down and assasinated by the Turks as we speak, ask the Cypriots whose country in 1974 was cold-blooded invaded and occupied by the brutal turkish army etc. To all those neighbours who got to know Turks well, the Youtube-ban is no surprise at all. Turks are unfortunately still living in the dark times of Middleage.

  88. Corsair
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:14

    I am Hellin, living in Hellas, where there is a huge satira and criticism against our goverment. I just came back from my vacations in Sweet Paris (where i can go whenever i like), where there is a huge satira and criticism against Sarcozi and i remember very good the satira and criticism against Berluskoni in Italy. We may still have problematic Democracies But i believe we are on the correct path.

  89. Johney666
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:14

    If some lameass person tries to malign Ataturk, does it actually harm the legend who is not alive anymore or does it remove him from the respected position in the mind of all of his devoted worshipers? Ataturk was, is and will remain as a hero because he simply was. Useless steps like this will only harm the image of Turkey. And NO AT LEAST THIS SUPID ACT OF STUBBORNNESS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HARDCORE ISLAMIC FANATICISM.
    This reminds me of a similar incident when some1 from US had posted a funny video of himself posing as Gandhi striping & doing a (really bad) polldance. This prompted the Indian Govt. to ban Youtube as was expected – but no that wasn’t all, the ban was lifted before a fortnite was over as being the highest populated democracy in the world, Indians knew the true value of free speech. That video clip is still available in YT, just no one watches it anymore… :D

    Finally on a lighter note:
    Once when they met during a summit, Regan told Gorbachev, “You know, even if someone shouts standing at the Time Square “I wanna fcuk the as5 of the prez of US as he is a sick b4strd” noone will do anything to him – coz that’s the spirit of democracy and freedom of speech my friend!”
    Gorbachev replied “Big deal, if the does the same standing in front of Cremlin, he will even be awarded! That’s the spirit of USSR my friend!”
    ;)

  90. Blu-Ray is God
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:18

    @86 : This is completely flawed logic.The government and the media lying are two completely different thing.Here , let me help you :

    “Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. The right to freedom of speech is guaranteed under international law through numerous human rights instruments, notably under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, although implementation remains lacking in many countries. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes preferred, since the right is not confined to verbal speech but is understood to protect any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

    In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country, although the degree of freedom varies greatly. Industrialized countries also have varying approaches to balance freedom with order. For instance, the United States First Amendment theoretically grants absolute freedom, placing the burden upon the state to demonstrate when (if) a limitation of this freedom is necessary. In almost all liberal democracies, it is generally recognized that restrictions should be the exception and free expression the rule; nevertheless, compliance with this principle is often lacking.”

    To claim that America doesn’t have any freedom of speech is just funny and ignorant.As far as Georgie calling the Armenian genocide a genocie , this has nothing to do with freedom of speech once again.It’s all about being politically correct to not offend our “allies”.

    Try again

  91. saint
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:26

    this has nothing to do with free expression. one cant have the right to insult the values that millions gave great importance.. if u want u can insult your own ones and call it free expression.. i call it degeneration and cheap way to get attraction.. besides near 700 years millions lived freely,keeping their own faith and religion under turkish rule in three continents, while u ‘so called civilized’ people of europe were exploiting the world and killing millions.. this hasnt changed today is it? france in algeria,germans in ww2,england all over the world …but in the end U are civilized,while we are the barbarians. !!!!

  92. ikea
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:32

    i dont get it, how to europeans have what kind of a sick mentality???
    hey people! you’re talking about kill all turkish people for reason our court banned youtube.
    its not seems to a democratic crictism for the protest this stupid enforcement.

    for example

    quote”
    F*ck all turks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Always trying to deny armenian genocide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Reping all armo rls loggers out their!
    quote”

    is this yours democratic ideas about us?

  93. Brambor
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:42

    And they want to be a part of European Union :( I hope that those actions against freedom will bury Turkey’s chance to be with us.

  94. Werner
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:43

    @ 12 TGF, right on!

  95. RiNgDiNgDoNg
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:44

    This is why Turkey, if it wants to join the European Union, needs to pull its F.U.C.king head out of its arse. What 3rd world banana republic bu.ll.sh.it.

  96. Feather
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:44

    Wow you guys are still insulting about races and cultures. You still don’t know we’re all humans. I’m sorry guys but I really pity you. I know a lot of people around the world. I met a British person and he was so nice and generous but I didn’t say “all the British ppl are good” after I saw that guy. I met a French person and he was lame to people and he was selfish too but I didn’t say “wow this guy is totally lame. then all French ppl must be lame” or something. I met Romanians, Hungarians, Japaneses, Turks ect but I never judged all their nations because of them because it’s not the person what makes a nation good or evil. A person can’t just mirror all behaviours of their nation’s people. If you can’t understand that, then don’t blame anybody with barbarism, it’s you who is barbarian!

  97. cyan
    January 21st, 2008 | 21:45

    At @38. Yes indeed. kemal was a turk that was born in Greece and kemal ALSO slaughtered thousand of Christian while he stood on his balcony and enjoyed his acts, hearing christian babies get killed. Well done “what a brave and modern man”.

  98. Dipdip
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:00

    This board is filled with disinformation, misinformation, hatred, bias, libel and all with lame language. There are some voices of reason here and there but they are easily lost in all this mess. It pretty much sums up the world we live in today. Thank you for bringing this very important news to us Martin. How dare a Turkish court bans YouTube. How dare Turks execute their own laws when they should be adopting EU laws like all little good-boy Euro-states did. You wouldn’t recognize fascism unless you saw a German with a half moustache.

  99. bold
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:09

    if you don’t know the history do not comment on cyan…there is a saying in turkiye:do not put forward an idea without knowledge(specially about history)

  100. cagorx
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:13

    If you do not have information, you can not have a idea..

    If you want to talk about Atatürk,Turkey.. go and read a few books, or came here.. And say all of this to a Turk. Dont afread we are not barbar like you..

    I m a Turk and this is a honor for me.

    P.S Maybe you will see the real barbarians a day.. (try look at the mirror)

  101. Yusuf
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:14

    Current conservative politicians in Turkey make things worse and worse everyday. It is one of the dumbest actions they have taken lately. Conservatives do not consist the majority of the country but they sure make a lot of noise to look so and unfortunately no one dares to stand against them. Because of all this they take the usual conservative action: Do not try to solve, do not try to answer, just BAN! Idiot politicians giving chance to other idiots who will try to make fun of Turkey even without knowing a single thing about the country, that’s what’s happening.

  102. cyan
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:15

    @102. what history? the real one or the one that you learned?
    @99. its nothing like that! The only truth is in Voltair’s words, “I do not agree with what you said, but will defend to the death your right to say it!” . FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Unknown words to you?

  103. Interested
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:21

    Anyone have the post to that video? very interested in seeing why turkey would ban youtube, unless the video has been removed already. =D

  104. wizardofeast
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:23

    Do not believe what u read,
    Do not believe what u hear,
    Even do not believe what u see.

    I have seen a war with my own eyes, none of us can imagine what had happened in Bosnia. So EU people just stop talking , in the very center of EU , a genocide has just happened.

    Watch “The Hunting Party” a new film about the war criminals of Bosnia.

    Alas we should all be ashamed , not because of past, the current.

    See the puppeteer , not the puppet.

  105. Dipdip
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:26

    @105

    I personally would like to hear the one you learned. It sounded more entertaining.

    Thanks for the cliché Voltaire quote.

  106. Fem
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:28

    Since this isn’t a torrent thread, I’ll permit myself an off-topic comment.

    I hope to God these people never join the EU.

    So long as they never acknowledge the first genocide of the 20th century, killing over 1 million Armenians, they don’t belong a place in the civilised world.

  107. Citizen
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:29

    Order!Order!Order!
    This is not a confession,blaming,cursing,swearing platform.I want you all to calm down and step out of the room then think what you have commented on this topic.Is this possible that one day Ku Klux Clan and Wu-Tang Clan would round up and live together in harmony?Lets hope until that day.Put your hands up for detroit…it is a lovely city…dıdıdıdıdıdıdı.dıdıdıdıd.dıdıdıdıdıd..dı.dı.dı.dıı..
    Class Dismiss..

  108. GeeS
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:38

    Criticize the wrong acts of censorship is a first step. Opinions like ..”you burn in hell” , “bomb them”, “invade them and force democracy”, “western killers”, “my religion is better” and fill all the blanks you want wont get any of us forward. I’m Greek and i’m biased against turkey governments and generals but i’m not against turkish plain people. Most of our ancestors (and sadly many times our present politicians) conquered, killed etc for what they thought to be a RIGHT reason. History is written from those that prevailed in a gory bloodshed battlefield.
    Everyone that raises his/her fist in the air yelling holy war, or jihad against other people are braindead. Religion must set your mind free , not corner it and amputate it.
    Live your life as a free man. Is shedding blood your catharsis to a better life full of angels, harps from one side to mountains of rice on the other?

    As for the turkish court … what can i say? it a foolish act that degrades human rights.

    As for my fellow country men, dont flame me with ethnocentrism comments. I served my country on the borders for 17 months and i’m proud for it (others aren’t). But I didnt post to pick a fight with the turks. Deep in their hearts, all “thinking” people can understand the implications made by censoring media. Worst part is when they put in jail all those that oppose their voice against the military/government system. Turkish government must make a great deal of progress in the department of human rights.

    Anyway thats my opinion. And Rlslog isnt the place to get carried away in politics. Any new game Rls???

    R.I.P. Scit.
    Peace.

  109. eggs4eva
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:38

    @100

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  110. bello
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:40

    That’s so stupid I don’t know if I shall laugh or cry. It’s because of people like that war exists. I’ve been to turkey and loved the country/people so I’m not saying turks in general are stupid, just the ones that came up with this. I wish Google Inc had the guts to ban all turkish IP’s from Google search engine, that would make me laugh for sure.

  111. l.y
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:43

    can the chicken @ the goose still go on youtube though
    or is this a ban on all poultry?

  112. ikea
    January 21st, 2008 | 22:50

    hey cyan watch out

    Italy, Greece, England and France occupied Turkey after the WWI
    We only defended our country
    You were colonialist
    Armenian guerillas killed our peasants. They are baby killers. They boiled up babies in boiler.
    They trespassed young ladies.
    what do you expect?

    Ataturk was not only a soldier, he was also a great leader and a politician
    he founded Turkish Pepublic which is democratic, secular and modern.
    the west did not be stabilze or democratize ıraq even though all your great so callled democratic knowledge…
    maybe it wasn’t your intention.
    You didn’t bring democracy to Iraq you only brought death

    don’t complaint for the humanity.you can teach us nothing about humanity or democracy.

  113. ikea
    January 21st, 2008 | 23:11

    don’t worry dude, i think next lucky country can be turkey after iraq and ıran huh?
    when 600.000 people of died you can sleep with confidence.

  114. Christos
    January 21st, 2008 | 23:15

    Hello everyone,

    i think we should be a little objective here and not rush to criticize the Turks. I’m Greek and my grand-grandfather got beheaded by Turks in 1922 (under the command of Ataturk) BUT if you know a little history you will understand why Turks are so sensitive about him.
    He is their “father” – he made Turkey the (big but arrogant) country of today, without him they would have been a bunch of smaller states like the former Yugoslavia. It is logical that they have a law forbidding the insults against him – if they have a law they deserve a “bravo” for applying it.
    We could criticize the fact of the law itself, but if you do not descend from Turkey (i’ve been there 3 times – the photo of Ataturk and their flag are eveywhere, even in the coffeeshops) you are not able to understand the law as it is.
    And a last word about Turkey, some parts and some people of this country are more European than many parts and people of Europe, but that is an exception (unfortunately). And since it’s a very beautiful country (Greeks lived there for thousands of years and they knew better…) we should want by all means that they become a member of EU – then it will be easier to go and enjoy.

  115. k
    January 21st, 2008 | 23:18

    typical that the coward greeks, whining armenians and terrorist kurds joined this thread to air their racist views based on propaganda.

    rlsblog is starting to become a racist, fascist platform, nice one martin with your dubious reasons for putting up rubbish like this.

  116. k
    January 21st, 2008 | 23:21

    rlsblog bans people who say first or haIo yet people can say kill all turks and it is ok.

    nice one, hypocrites.

    and i thought off topic discussion was not wanted…. why get this fabricated armenian “genocide” in here then?

  117. revix
    January 21st, 2008 | 23:43

    olum adam olun ayagınızı denk alın
    yoksa neti kapatırız haaaaaaaaa

    mal gibi kalırsınız

  118. robz
    January 21st, 2008 | 23:48

    il wait for axxo release.

  119. bello
    January 21st, 2008 | 23:49

    $119 k: Oh please, there’s a huge differens between saying first/halo and kill all turks! You just can’t ban everything, must draw the line somewhere and first/halo should definitely result in a ban!

  120. Corsair
    January 22nd, 2008 | 00:09

    To k
    The subject is the censoring of youtube by Turkish authorities. You’ve chose instead to attack other countries, than talking about that ridiculous act.
    Before attacking another nation, please tell me if your country ever produced an Aristotle or an Aram Hatzaturian…
    Please enlighten me and tell me if Turkey ever contributed to CIVILIZATION and human evolution as most of the other nations did ?

  121. someone
    January 22nd, 2008 | 00:17

    It’s funny a lot of americans don’t realise that Turkey is a more seculalized country than the USA.

  122. Zzzzop
    January 22nd, 2008 | 00:29

    @123

    LOL, contributions to “human evolution”?

    I see you are giving yourself credit for the achievements of Aristotle.

  123. ikea
    January 22nd, 2008 | 00:30

    hmm an civilized european was spoked…

    hello i am the european hero i want to die all turks cause they not produced Aristotle or an Aram Hatzaturian.
    other nations apart from me absoletly useless.

  124. Jaga
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:02

    Simply pathetic. Maybe one day turks will be civilized pets.

  125. xtazy
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:03

    stupid dum ass turks

  126. ikea
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:07

    i am getting civilize step by step…
    please more curse gonna make it easy.

  127. Luckmann
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:15

    Goddamn it I hate these towelheads. I pray to god that they never get entry to the European Union. Hell, they shouldn’t even be a part of the United Nations.

  128. carton
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:16

    Oh they wont be able to see the otters holding hands!

  129. lucas
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:22

    i can see some hacking groups now tryin to hack into turk sites lol

  130. thrashie
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:36

    always funny to read the comments on topics you dont expect on rlslog ^^

  131. ikea
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:38

    pray to god give you lot of brain neuron.

    turkey gonna enter eu.turkey’s borders going to be eu’s borders and that they stupid fascits armenians or terrorist kurds can’t dare attack our people or borders.
    that is the reason why turkey wants to join eu.

    i know a few name of kurdish, armenian and greek terrorist organization.asala, eoka and pkk.(search in google)
    can anyone say a name of turkish terrorist organization???

  132. draickin
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:39
  133. bman
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:47

    somebody paste the link here please ?

  134. Alexander
    January 22nd, 2008 | 01:54

    @ 118:
    Stupid muslim peasant!
    You are a classic bastard Turk.
    Accusing every neighbour you got.
    Nobody will ever like you if you stay so bloody uncivilized as you are!

  135. certain someone
    January 22nd, 2008 | 02:30

    Generalizing people just from their race or religion is in its purest form an act of an uncivilized primitive mind..

  136. bello
    January 22nd, 2008 | 02:44

    Point is you take yourself too serious. Pretty much every country has laws about not making fun of their leaders etc, but they also use some common sense about upholding these laws. If it was a site with the only purpose to ridicule that guy then I’ll understand the ban. But a site like Youtube with millions of movies making fun of pretty much everything and everybody on this planet, including leaders and historical persons from every nation, race, etc? That’s just silly and when you do something like that you have to face the consequences. In this case it’s just that the rest of the world think you are silly and laugh at you. But unfortunately it is also the reason for lots of wars in your region. If you lighten up and use some common sense the world would be a better place both for you and the rest of the world.

  137. REZ
    January 22nd, 2008 | 02:55

    y are all armenia, greece mate what was the topic about these countries and ppl from these countries always have to have the spotlight on themselves becoz they are so errelivent

  138. mikey
    January 22nd, 2008 | 03:01

    dumb americans,

    Americans are NOT stupid – WITH SUBTITLES – http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

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    January 22nd, 2008 | 03:08

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  140. pl0x
    January 22nd, 2008 | 03:36

    Colbert Nation Stand Proud !

  141. Armenia
    January 22nd, 2008 | 03:40

    who give a f*ck about youtube being banned in Turkey, We have greater issues to worry about, like how to get genocide recognition.

  142. Liranan
    January 22nd, 2008 | 03:51

    Vatan means country and is Farsi (Iranian).

  143. Armenia
    January 22nd, 2008 | 04:10

    Turkey is filled with a bunch of scumbag diplomats. They were exposed. They sent America 2 billion dollars to keep their mouth shut about the Armenian genocide. And America did a good job with that, they delayed the Genocide bill (H/Res 106) and I’m sure it will be vetoed cause the jews and turks won’t let that get passed. Jews and turks work together for the genocide not to be recognized.

  144. January 22nd, 2008 | 05:25

    Source: Fox

    That’s the only proof you need. Bogus article.

  145. Fem
    January 22nd, 2008 | 05:55

    Perhaps Mr. X is more comfortable with the BBC?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6427355.stm

    I have defended you in the past. But I can see why you offend Scene members — because of your peculiar vision of the world.

  146. Johnny
    January 22nd, 2008 | 05:58

    “Theres no such thing as democracy in Turkey….
    Biji Azadiya Welat!”

  147. mohamed
    January 22nd, 2008 | 09:50

    Turkey is a primitive, militaristic, fascistic and imperialistic land much worse than Saddam’s Iraq.
    They terrorize all their neighbours with neverending
    wars or war threats.
    All human rights are brutally suppressed!
    Freedom of speech is still punished by death!
    They capture, brutally torture and assasinate their (own or foreign) political opponents.
    They still live in the 19th century. Just watch a movie like “Midnight Express” and you will understand.
    THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE EU!

  148. offroad
    January 22nd, 2008 | 11:34

    F*** all Turkeys enemies: armenians-greeks and all the guys who has written here that called us barbarians

  149. offroad
    January 22nd, 2008 | 11:34

    and also f*** your EU

  150. Sevket
    January 22nd, 2008 | 11:36

    well @153

    actually we do NOT want to join your “OLD MAN” union… go and fu.k yourself!

  151. randomguy
    January 22nd, 2008 | 11:50

    any idea how to avoid the ban? changing dns or openvpn programmes dont work :/

  152. G@wain
    January 22nd, 2008 | 12:56

    @154 offroad that is the reason why people like you should be baned from the whole world your country my friend is one of the most old school country’s in the world and you are a racist like maaany others of your people when you start to realize what you are doing to yourself you will understand that for many many years you were controlled by your war criminal generals and that is why you became…….blind.
    Anyways i’m very glad that many of my fellow neighbors does not share the same barbaric opinions as you do and you can actually find many free minds with healthy ideas and artistic hearts in your country a lovely country with lots and lots of history but also with lots and lots of pain.P.S F.CK ALL OF YOU RACIST DOGS EITHER TURKISH OR GREEK YOU DON’T BELONG TO THE NEW WORLD SO WHEN THE OLD GOES JUMP OF YOUR BALCONIES AND DIE WITH IT !!!!!!!

  153. bobo
    January 22nd, 2008 | 13:29

    This post has become an attack ground for grreks-armenians-terrorist kurds to attack Turkish Nation (you ar all sick racist faschists) Islam forbids genocide and maltreatment of premitives If we treated you so bad then how calm you continue to exist??? how can you speak your language???? or be christian????. did the turks force you to change your religion?? do you even know that all ottoman emperors were from greek and armenian mothers???? ottoman family hated the turks!!! take a look at latin america and what the spanish did to the natives!!!!! or british colonialism or the algerian genocide!!!!!! chechniya, iraq,south africa Uyghurs, South Azerbaijan, karabakh!, bosnia, kosovo, native american genocide,corsica, aborgines in australia, zulu, starvation in africa do you want me to continue???? who is(was) responsible?????????

  154. äm-irk
    January 22nd, 2008 | 13:59

    Boo for limiting the free speach. Also lol for the Americans in this thread who think they have it better.

  155. Samgiee
    January 22nd, 2008 | 14:16

    @xeroti

    You are not real Turk. Because you wouldnt say anything like that..

    Just like all the times, every1 have problem with Turk`s(since Ottoman Empire) so they put silly videos on youtube. . .

  156. aydin
    January 22nd, 2008 | 15:31

    please please ban you tube in the rest of the world

  157. Meh
    January 22nd, 2008 | 16:35

    suxx0r n00bs.this is not a fix for the situation..barbarian idiots.

  158. User 04283
    January 22nd, 2008 | 18:24

    Any country without free speech sucks!

  159. Dutchman
    January 22nd, 2008 | 18:51

    Just today i heard on a turkish cnn that about 20 members of a fascist/terrorist group in Turkey called “Grey Wolves” were brought to justice (what an oxymoron concept) because that were plotting to assassinate a christian patriarch or something.

    I believe these “wolves” are some democratic thinking force right? I’ve searched for them a bit and just read a portion from what i read in Wikipedia.

    “Activities to date.

    On a global scale, the Grey Wolves are suspected to have been responsible for numerous political assassinations and disappearances of Turkish and Kurdish human rights activists, and are known to have ties with the Turkish mafia.[11] The Grey Wolves have also raised funds for Chechen guerilla separatists, whom they consider their Turkish brothers.[12]

    In 2004, the Grey Wolves successfully prevented the screening of Atom Egoyan’s Ararat in Turkey, a film about the Armenian Genocide.”

    the link is here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves

    It will be fun to watch from some fascistic supporters of them here trying to present them as a democratic political group.

    Stop burning churches, burning books, imprison liberal minds, assassinate political opponents, enforce paleolithic obsolete laws. I know about your religion “ways”… Convert to islam or die by my sword, the only true religion and fun stuff like these.

    Get out of the 19th century.

  160. Zzzzop
    January 22nd, 2008 | 19:04

    You use a marginal group like Grey Wolves to portray a nation of people? Because it fits your little perspective or serves the agenda you are promoting?

    Oh and Wikipedia?

  161. Dutchman
    January 22nd, 2008 | 19:30

    @Zzzzop Plz tell us what you think of them so we “the misled” naive people can understand.

    This “legal” group is a huge supporter of democracy so thats why they are active, alive and kill..err kicking, right?

  162. Dutchman
    January 22nd, 2008 | 19:44

    And one more thing. If they are such a “marginal” group how can they enforce their opinion on the turkish public? how can a so-called small group dictating a whole nation what to watch and watch not.. How come they have such a strong “influence” as what is wrong or right and a nation dances to their likings banning media – free speech?

    So out of the blue… from “there is no turkish terrorist group” here comes the howling of the wolves….

    Are they the law? What are their ties with politicians?
    Are you supporting their actions?

    Too many questions for you? Plz answer. I’m curious what is your agenda…

    P.S. I prefer living in a corrupted democracy country than a corrupted narrowminded fanatical country.

  163. ah me oh me
    January 22nd, 2008 | 20:04

    @168

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKK

    look, you can learn which countires supports that non “marginal” group.

    maybe they did’t burn any churches but they killed 30.000 people of mostly kurdish.

    i don’t see any difference to burn a church or kill an innocent civillian.

    westerns calls them rebel or freedom fighters.

    judge yourself first.

  164. Swede
    January 22nd, 2008 | 20:25

    Turkey – we dont want you in the EU. Period.

  165. ah me oh me
    January 22nd, 2008 | 20:29

    @170

    who cares

    play super mario

  166. Dutchman
    January 22nd, 2008 | 20:33

    I dont support terrorism. If PKK killed innocent civilians i detest such actions.

    But you seem to avoid answering.
    Are you supporting all these violations of human rights?

    Why turkey is still under EU scrutiny for not altering human rights violating laws?
    Do you know any other european country that is not abide to human rights, freedom of speech?

    Dont cover up your dirty back yard. EU is not heaven. There are many aspects of life here that SUCK big time. But as i said i prefer corruption than fanaticism.

    TRY and answer and not avoid facing a handful of facts.
    I’m sure you will not answer them…

    I wont reply again to anyone. I’ll return back to my soft drugs legalize country…. But hey at least i can admit it and criticize it. I wonder what would happen to me if i were in some wonnabe eu one… ;)

  167. ah me oh me
    January 22nd, 2008 | 20:56

    @172

    you dont get it
    turks dont support violations of human rights or like these idiotic censorship.
    we dont care what do you think about our eu membership discussion.

    you are generelizing all turkish people by virtue of indiffirent reasons.

    don’t define yourself out of us.

    what do u you think? are we all of barbarians you are just übermensch volk.

    haha this mentallity make me sick.

    don’t forget we are not defand censorship cause anyone talking about subject.

    at like this situation, greeks, armenians or racist came and
    charge us about off topic.

  168. Europeans are morons
    January 22nd, 2008 | 20:59

    Most of comments here are more idiotic than banning of youtube.

  169. korel
    January 22nd, 2008 | 22:58

    In many European countries, confessing armenian genocide is a lie is crime. This is your freedom of expression.

  170. Fem
    January 22nd, 2008 | 23:04

    “Most of comments here are more idiotic than banning of youtube.”

    That, my dear, is free speech.

    People who want only wisemen and women to give their opinions, are not in favour of freedom.

  171. ???
    January 22nd, 2008 | 23:30

    where the f*ck is that armenia????

  172. me
    January 22nd, 2008 | 23:36

    @175, that is because european countries realize that denying genocide is not humanity. It’s like saying the jewish holocaust didn’t happen. If you say that sh*t here in America you’ll get bashed. Genocide is not a joke.

    and @ 177, go read a book or go on wikipedia.

  173. me
    January 22nd, 2008 | 23:39

    BTW to the idiot who said ASALA are terrorists, you’re dumb. It’s a group of Armenians fighting for genocide recognition. They go after turkish diplomats not random civilians. They killed 50 people total in a matter of 25 years. If you consider that terrorism then what do you consider your Turkish government to be?

  174. Corsair
    January 23rd, 2008 | 00:06

    You guys, instead of wining here about our comments regarding this ridiculous censorship, go and protest outside of this … hilarious court and demand more freedom.

    Of course only if you can do that without facing the “Grey Wolves” treatment…

  175. korel
    January 23rd, 2008 | 00:39

    @178
    how long americans advocate europeans?

    in Turkey, denying the genocide of american natives is not humanity but not a crime too. you killed countless natives on their homeland and made their films to show how wild you are. you bombed over two hundred thousands of innocent people in dresden after germany surrended in WWII. You tested your nuclear bombs on japanese civillians. i don’t want to talk about iraq and somali. which is next?

    are these enough to get you bashed?

    do you want me to tell about europeans’ genocies?

    20th century written by blood and it was not yours…

  176. me
    January 23rd, 2008 | 01:29

    @ 181, I live in America but I’m not American, but i do agree with you.

  177. me
    January 23rd, 2008 | 01:32

    but, in turkey saying that the Armenian genocide did happen will get you thrown in jail. We’re smarter than that, we know your government committed the Armenian genocide, the whole world knows it but Turkey keeps denying it and in America it’s not even recognized as a genocide.

  178. Fem
    January 23rd, 2008 | 05:59

    “20th century written by blood and it was not yours…”

    In your dreams. The United States freed more people and gave more humane aid in the 20th century, than any nation has previous to that century.

    Why don’t you go ask Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians and all the other people the Ottoman Empire kept under harrowing conditions for centuries, before you go lobbing blame at a country which isn’t perfect — but it’s infinitessimally better than your country.

    I’m not even American either.

  179. korel
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:56

    @183
    Why we have to accept something what we didn’t? whole the world don’t look objectively about this.

    At the begenning of WWI, The Ottoman Empire was weaken. The opportunist Armenians used this situation against Ottoman Empire. They wore Russian uniforms and attacked out civilian villages and killed thousands of innocent people. Because of this, Ottoman Empire forced about (800.000 – total 1.3 millions were living in the Ottoman Empire) Armenians to migrate. Many of them died because of conditions of the time and be killed while migrating, yes its true but not more than armenians’ did. Many of people who damaged the immigrants punished.

    @184
    “Why don’t you go ask Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians and all the other people the Ottoman Empire kept under harrowing conditions for centuries”

    Have you ever asked? None of them don’t say any bad thing about The Ottoman Empire because they lived in peace while the reign of The Ottoman Empire.

    “In your dreams. The United States freed more people and gave more humane aid in the 20th century, than any nation has previous to that century.”

    This is the most funny thing i have ever seen.

    @topic

    Yes banning YouTube is ridiculous and I am against this. the “grey wolves” thing is too. But you don’t know anything about Turkey.

  180. its me
    January 23rd, 2008 | 20:44

    “Why we have to accept something what we didn’t? ” blah blah blah you’re just like 90% of the turks, your own government has brain washed you, blaming it on the WW1.

  181. korel
    January 23rd, 2008 | 21:35

    I won’t waste my time with you anymore.

  182. Silencer
    January 29th, 2008 | 20:25

    Youtube is not a thing that anyone take seriously decisions on by…

    Also Turkish Goverment shouldnt play with children.
    As Turks showed their absolute power on Independence War already huh..????

  183. reptilien
    December 22nd, 2008 | 13:18

    i really feel offended by these comments since i am a turk myself

    obviously not many of you have been to turkey even once in their lives.. you wouldn’t be as aggressive and even blind

    censorship is bad but it is a common procedure even in the most developed countries and it has nothing to do with democracy

    talking about democracry in greece makes my stomach hurt

    stop being ignorant like that and if you don’t i hope war will be in the end of present day economy crisis, so all of you will be thought a better lesson on what exactly turkey is: a good or a bad country, a strong or a weak one

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