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TorrentSpy must pay $110 million to MPAA

A clear message to all torrent websites hosted on the US soil was sent all over the world today: A federal judge is hitting the shuttered TorrentSpy service with a $111 million penalty for facilitating the infringement of thousands of copyrighted works. U.S. District Judge Florence -Marie Cooper in Los Angeles, ruling in a case brought by the Motion Picture Association of America, said site operator Justin Bunnell and associates must pay the maximum $30,000 for “each of the 3,699 infringements shown.” The case, producing what is among the largest fines in copyright history, was bolstered after the MPAA allegedly paid a hacker $15,000 for internal TorrentSpy e-mails and correspondence.

“This substantial money judgment sends a strong message about the illegality of these sites,” MPAA Chairman Dan Glickman said in a statement. TorrentSpy, a U.S.-based torrent tacking service, shuttered in March after it lost its case against the MPAA. TorrentSpy did not lose on the merits, but defaulted after it failed to produce internal records. No U.S. case has squarely addressed the legalities of BitTorrent tracking services, although one case is nearing a resolution. Judge Cooper ordered TorrentSpy permanently shuttered. TorrentSpy attorney Ira Rothken was not immediately available for comment. He has appealed the default order to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

Source: Wired

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  1. jesterjayjoker
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:25

    damn…stupid mpaa

  2. shamona
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:25

    jeez i feel bad for the sites owners…theyre prob guys who live in their parents basement..how are they going to come up with $110 000?? maybe if we all chip in….or not

  3. shamona
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:26

    my bad i meant $110 000 000

  4. robin
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:28

    what a shame.good thing there’s plenty of torrenttrackers outside the u.s.
    why dont they all move anyway instead of waiting to get shut down and get a huge paying fee

  5. antirip
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:28

    How much are they going to fine google for linking torrent sites? :)

  6. Google
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:29

    I don’t see how they dare risk doing business within the U.S. these days. Seems like a dumb idea not to move else where.

  7. Darkone23
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:30

    Lucky they filed for bankruptcy and won’t have to pay a cent….

    This case shows the true desperation of the MPAA..fortunately hundreds of thousands of people are downloading copyrighted content each and every hour :D

  8. lol
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:34

    omfg 111 million..
    Who the f*ck has 111 million..
    That’s crazy.. i bet there are some people with the mpaa who download warez theirselfe’s xD

  9. Anon
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:38

    Isn’t it kinda ironic though…

    MPAA is against piracy and haxing their piracy prevention software. However they buying information from hackers…. haha, ain’t they some what contradicting themselves in their values?

    Anyways, if i remember correctly, torrentspy actually was a “tracker” to torrents. They didn’t just scrape other sites and create a bank of search results like Google does.

    Another site which is still up atm, and is fighting with MPAA is Isohunt. Their site doesn’t tracker anything themselves, they simply do exactly what Google does. Scrape other sites and add it to their database of search results.

    I’m interested though to see the outcome of MPAA VS. Isohunt. Cuz if Isohunt goes down then Google will also be brought into the spotlight… since Isohunt = basically google however it refines its search down to torrent only.

  10. Rohit
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:38

    WTF? RUN RUN RUN. GET THE F**K OUTTA THE US. DAMN THESE PEOPLE ARE ON CRACK.

  11. AnaI retentive ★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:39

    111 million lol

  12. Anon
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:40

    @1 LOL Yes MPAA is stupid.

    I remember awhile back about hearing a court case about MPAA trying to sue 1 person…
    Basically that person was creating MP3s of his CD’s so he can listen to them on his MP3 player. >.>

  13. Armacalypse
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:42

    What exactly did they do that was illegal?

    Searching torrents can’t possibly be illegal by any objective law. The site owners must have shared files themselves, or the US legal system is so screwed it’s not funny anymore.

  14. fartist
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:47

    In a four-page ruling Judge Florence-Marie Cooper entered the judgement against TorrentSpy’s parent company, Valence Media, for wilfully inducing, contributing and allowing copyright infringement on its website.

  15. PSPerspective.net
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:49

    Oh, now that is just crazy.

    @9, the isohunt case is definitely interesting and i’m eager to see the result.

  16. Stretch
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:51

    They brought the case against them because it’s a torrent tracker. While no copyrighted data passes through their site, they do put you in touch with others that have it.

    But read what the article says. That’s not why they’ve been done. They’ve defaulted because they failed to give the courts “internal records”… What random website that’s not a business in the traditional sense keeps records?

    Hopefully a better judge will see the case when it is under appeal.

  17. Brein=Nubs
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:54

    the good thing is they didnt got convicted on base of file sharing but because they destroyed evidence(server logs) so there is still no conviction based on sharing music and that stuff, so we dont know how that is going to be in the future in other cases

  18. PorkChop
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:55

    just another “judge” who has no judgement or common sense. and probably the buddy of the damned mpaa jews lobby.

  19. Dr Bhaskar
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:55

    I hope torrentspy makes a comeback like demonoid. They should shifted base long time back.

  20. Josh
    May 8th, 2008 | 11:57

    They did keep records, and they got in all that crap because they deleted them, the failed to give info to the court about all their users which they had and tampered with for their patrons sake, now they have to fork up 111mil or bankruptcy…
    shame….

  21. xer
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:02

    this is possible only in really police state as america is …

  22. Truth Provider
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:13

    You steal other peoples property and their ability to make money for their family, you get what you deserve!

  23. Count Spatula
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:14

    I used to use the Torrentspy website, until I discovered other better tracker websites. Torrentspy is extremely poor. I have no sympathy for them

  24. Mr Wong
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:27

    @24 “Torrentspy is extremely poor..” well if they werent before they soon will be lol.

  25. 3R4ZOR
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:39

    This is extorsion!!
    IMO I think the solution allready exists:
    I’m stubborn and I still use the ED2K network.
    People say it is slow but that depends on the number of online users.
    Since the KAD network started to work no one dependes on external servers anymore.
    So no one can be blamed for sharing, ’cause each computer is a server.

  26. Freeloader
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:43

    Don’t turn over the info…what makes em think they will turn over the money….I know I would not….

  27. heh
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:44

    distribution of wealth. we leech, the rich that are involved in entertainment get poorer. hopefully

  28. Vodoo
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:45

    im going to be a paedophiliac- mass murdering- drug lord from now on, it’s cheaper.

    taking into consideration the expansion of stupidity lately all across this pointlessly occupied planet, suicide sounds really good right now.

  29. Sp
    May 8th, 2008 | 12:49

    idiot americans

  30. Old Commie Pinko Degenerate
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:04

    More pr garbage from MPAA. This judgement would never stand if TorrentSpy appealed it but they prolly won’t since they aren’t going to pay anyhow.
    The judge (who is a california judge) must be running for a higher office. She’s just secured endorsements and contributions from the hollywood moguls if she is. That’s the only story here that so called justice has been perverted by a hometown decision.

  31. feedbacker
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:04

    USA if finished

    no more freedom for people to choose their laws.

    yaaaahoooo

  32. whodoo
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:05

    @29 – I’m with you.

    Greedy morons.

  33. Alexander
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:10

    @32
    True!

    USA isn’t democratic, democracy is just a paravan for capitalism.
    Democracy is ruled by people.

  34. TupaC
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:15

    Hollyy shiitt !!!

  35. sybull
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:24

    If I was the MPAA, I wouldn’t bother with Torrents, I would go for usenet. In 30 seconds flat you could prove that any usenet provider has a wealth of pirated material on their servers and if they did not sort this out within 30 days, big fines !!!

    The issue here is that the usenet providers probably have so much money and muscle behind them the MPAA are scared to tackle them.

    Also, ISP should monitor and tackle the amount people are UPLOADING. Surely you want to stop the supply. If some one advertise a massive illegal rave, the MPPA attitude is to punish the people advertising it and the people turning up to it. DOH!

  36. Exagon
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:26

    I’m so happy to live in europe! look at the piratebay case… look into the past… same happened whit audio and VHS tapes and CD, “omg we will lose sh*t loads of money” and they adapted and made even more money. Internet should and will be the same they just have to adapt.

  37. jason
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:30

    lawsuits with huge cash fines like this rarely are more than just a publicity stunt for scare tactics. i’d be surprised if they guys involved with the site end up paying anything more than the court costs they have already used. it’s BS

  38. i_piss_oc
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:38

    They paid a hacker 15k, to hack confidential documents? WTF? So, now hacking is legal. Will it be legal to hack the MPAA and install UTorrent, etc. You get the point

  39. Pegasus
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:40

    Wtf? Did some of you even use TorrentSpy at all? When the hell did that site have a tracker? All TS.com ever did was index torrents and act as a search engine for torrents from *other* public trackers.

    Get your fokn facts straight.

  40. MPAA-Fan
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:41

    Another victory! :D This is a joyous day indeed!

  41. MitchRapp
    May 8th, 2008 | 13:53

    The judge must have been blind … the MPAA allegedly paid someone 15,000$ to HACK into TorrentSpy’s private emails and steal information….

    the MPAA basically stole information… that’s… *gasp* ILLEGAL.

    Fun fact: In 2007, the movie industry broke the previous record for biggest box office and dvd income ever.
    is the movie industry suffering? no.
    People go see the movies they want to see at the movies (as usual) but download the ones they wouldn’t go see anyways.

    My friends and I have ratings:
    1) Definitely going to see it at the premiere (IRON MAN)
    2) Will go see it at the movies (21)
    3) Meh wait till the DVD comes out (BANK JOB)
    4) LOL that piece of crap is such a download (SHREK)
    5) Not wasting my effing bandwith (anything by UWE BOLL)

  42. jonas
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:01

    Its just stupid running such a site from the US, anybody who is surprised by this news is a complete fool. Only sites based in Canada, Europe or Asia can expect to survive, as the MPAA have fat short arms which can’t go that far lol

  43. jose rodriguez
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:04

    This is just crazy. They’re serving the video industry looby’s

    And there are literally milions of trackers, and usenet and…

  44. uros
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:07

    and who gets this money??

  45. ViPeR2k
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:10

    When are you people going to listen,

    Usrnet/newsgroups/ = 100% fast

    torrents are for wimps. :)

  46. RoFLCaKeS
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:15

    at 46: They will never change.

  47. Alexander
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:17

    Yep, the MPAA sucks. Fck’em… but, they are not the only ones and their way is not the only way. Take a look at what is happening in Spain, for example.

    Still, you guys gotta realize that this is gonna end sooner or later. It is stealing after all… it doesn’t matter if it is from “big” business (which is not even true in general).

    The only thought here is _when_ to get out. Most of us will get away with it but some of us will be caught redhanded… remember to wear clean undies…

  48. papasmurf
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:26

    Torrentspy has a problem with organization of torrents.

    Torrentspy has many fake torrents.

    Torrentspy has tons of torrents w/ viruses.

    Torrentspy shut out North America.

    Torrentspy must pay $111,000,000.

    I am happy with that…

    I hope their entire staff files for bankrupcy and thus have ruined credit for all of their natural lives.

    F*** you torrentspy.

  49. papasmurf
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:33

    also yes usenet/newsgroups/binaries are superior to torrents.

    however… if your isp doesn’t provide a free newsgroup service then you have to pay for newsgroups.

    if you pay for newsgroups you can expect to get old releases fairly easy.

    if they’re for free, like mine, then you may only have 10 or so days to get a release before the article expires.

    torrents suck for getting new stuff… but they are awesome for old stuff and its always free.

  50. venomhed
    May 8th, 2008 | 14:43

    MOVE TO NEWSGROUPS NOW!

    GET ALTBINZ AND USE NZB FILES FOLKS, it is the safest way to avoid ever getting caught and 100X faster than the torrents.

    Torrents are now officially dead in America, hopefully torrent trackers are smart enough to move out of the greedy US and go places where say, piratebay is at.

  51. jay
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:07

    good thing i never go on torrentspy, they suck anyway

  52. Nomad
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:08

    @ 52 Respect!

  53. Insanespider
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:14

    Wake up MPAA.

    1st. Make your ticket prices cheaper.
    2nd. Simultaneous worldwide release of any new film.
    3rd. No more than 30days until the DVD release,this in my
    opinion is ample.
    And finally when the DVD is released it should be no more than £5 per unit and hey presto no or very limited piracy.
    Result.

  54. thank you mpaa
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:18

    thanks mpaa for your hard work in earning money over this i agree pay up TORRENTGUYSPY or reap over 9000 years in jail

  55. i am mpaa
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:21

    i am mpaa and i need over 9000 or just 100000009 not 110000000 please i am mpaa pay up torrentspy or else i will CATCH UUU AND SEND U TO HELL PLEASE WE NEED MONEys to take u all down and thepiratebay hell yea they might pay 90000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

  56. WOW!
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:22

    ALL torrent users should come together to find this hacker and MURDER HIM!

  57. i god we trust
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:29

    americans will have us all IM SCARED RIGHT NOW the absolute idiots

  58. Madigan
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:29

    The music industry embraced the internet and is getting some money for their efforts. It seems that the RIAA changed and realized if you can’t stop them then join them. I haven’t heard of any cases brought forth in the courts lately. The movie industry needs to make the same a change. The Internet is here to stay and no matter what the MPAA does, it will never rid the Internet downloads no matter how hard they try. Why don’t they join forces like the music industry did and offer VOD with 24-168 hour viewing window on cable/satellite? After three to four weeks offer complete downloads of the movie to keep from websites with customer registration and void of any special features the DVD’s will provide later on. Most DVD buyers purchase the DVD’s for the extra content such as deleted scenes, blooper reels, Director’s cut, and so forth.

    I’m not into those crappy Cam’s or even TS’s. I want quality. Like many others I still crave to see it on the big screen. Some movies cry out to be viewed like that. I watched a screener of Transformers and still went to the cinema. It was far better and more exciting on the big screen.

    The MPPA is fighting a losing battle. They shut one site down and expect $110 million of which they will never see. C’mon MPPA, you must have spent a couple if million or more just to nail that site. I’m sure they can find a way to increase revenue like the music industry did.

  59. nighthawk
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:34

    damn.. where they heck do they expect those admins to come up with $111 mil??

  60. R
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:40

    now try the torrentspy page http://www.torrentspy.org/faq.php

    You will find all of the latest tools for accessing the largest peer-to-peer networks on the planet. You will also find online tutorials making it easy for you install and learn the tools provided………………… blaj

    now too many hoaxing sites starting with these lines.

  61. QuadrupelQ
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:41

    In the meantime, more torrent sites are online then ever, Demonoid is back, Pirate Bay is winning in court, and the MPAA has lost it’s credibility.

    So who is winning again???

    I used to think the end for torrents was near, but now I see ‘they’ can’t stop it. Yay!!!

  62. R
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:51

    @62 addition http://www.piratebay.com/faq.php

    who the f*** is standin behind this ?

  63. WhyBother
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:53

    Wow big surprise….not. From the country that brought you pointless war and the sequels now gives us idiotic fines that stop nothing. Torrent soon… :P

  64. ulrejaz
    May 8th, 2008 | 15:53

    Food for thought…

    MPAA MUST go on to sue all other torrent websites as they FACILITATE THE INFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS.

    Then they MUST go on to sue Microsoft, Linux and Macintosh because they created an efficient way for users to access torrent sites via IE and other browsers (Firefox users > IE users, _|_ to IE) thus FACILITATING THE INFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS.

    After which MPAA MUST sue all ISPs as ISPs provide consumers with internet access that allow people to access torrent site thereby FACILITATING THE INFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS.

    When the dust barely settles, MPAA MUST sue all PC manufacturers as these companies provide computers that allow consumers the ability to access torrent sites via the internet thus FACILITATING THE INFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS.

    And to top it all off, MPAA MUST sue all artistes, musicians, writers etc. for copyrighting their works. If these people have not copyrighted their stuff, OS makers, PC manufacturers, ISPs etc. would not have broken the law and thus would not have FACILITATED THE INFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS.

    _|_ to MPAA =)

  65. George
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:01

    I own around 400 dvd’s and what gets me is that ticket prices got bigger while dvd prices went way way down.

    to VIEW the movie, it costs 11$ (22$ for me and my gf)
    to OWN the movie on DVD forever, it costs 15-20$ and I can watch it as many times as I want, lend it to people, etc…

    2007 was the biggest year for movies in terms of box office sales… so downloads are not affecting this whatsoever

    movie prices should go like this

    Movie Tickets – 5$
    DVD price – 10$

    and and AND you should get a discount on the DVD if you have a ticket stub from the movies (so if you saw 300 at the movies, you should get a nice discount on the DVD since you actually PAID for it already)

    Either way, box office sales in 2007 were like 9.5 billion … 2008 will most likely crack the 10 billion mark

  66. h
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:04
  67. blt
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:12

    @52:

    Agreed on the entire MPAA/RIAA thing.
    Couldn’t keep myself from replying on your ‘USA thing’ tho.

    We pay taxes in Europe, yes. We also have a – fairly – good social system. Health insurance, for instance.
    We pay high fuel prices, but then again we also have cars that consume way less than standard US cars. We actually care a little bit more about the world instead of ‘caring for the world (freedom?)’ as in invading foreign countries and using that ‘care’ as a cover-up for cheap oil.

    Obviously we have governments who lick the behind of your ‘country’. That is because you’re so good at capitalism.
    Making economic decisions over lifes of others does not seem to be a problem in your country. Our governments would probably in the end like to do so as well, but they get a fair amount of protest here. We tend to have something as ‘ethics’. Not in the shady christian neo-conservative US way, but actual people caring.

    In the end will this discussion be pointless anyway. As some writer once said; ‘Americans are not Europeans and will never be. They left Europe to wipe out entire civilizations and build their own houses. They left Europe to not be European.’

    That’s that I suppose. Start the rage. :)

  68. james
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:18

    I agree with #55 Insanespider.

    1. Ticket prices are just way too high. You take your family or a few friends, get some condiments, and viola, your paycheck disappears.

    2. It’s the 21st century. Simultaneous world releases should be standard by now. Is it a money issue for each film that’s holding back releases? Example: New Indiana Jones film, most places, May 22. Japan? June 21st. Wth? (Unless the company decided to push back the release to not clash with the release of a local major film?)

    3.30 days until the DVD release is a bit too much. I’d say at least 60-90 days. By that time, most of the buzz should have died down,and most of initial revenue been reeled in.

    4. I also agree that DVDs should be around $10. I understand that it takes work to clean up the film, edit, add extra content and features, stamp it, ship it, and negotiate profits with distributors. However, I feel that home libraries would be much larger, if people were to just drop a 10 spot on a film (around the price of movie admission in some places).
    People are way too greedy. That’s why I never agreed with the writers guild strike. You want to be paid for every format that something is released on? Forever? You did the initial work, you got paid to do it, THE END. You want to make more money? Do your own films, and sell the DVDs and downloads yourself.
    Then you’ve got the fat-cats and their DRM. If they had their way, they’d have a guy following you with a cattle prong as soon as you buy a DVD, shocking even family and friends so as to make sure they can’t share your copy and have to buy their own.

  69. Wiz@asia
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:22

    @George #67

    Absolutely, If I own the LP or PreRec cassette then I should get the CD at media cost. Like wise if you own a DVD then you should be able to buy a BlueRay at media + something for enhanced quality. Not the full price.

    Today I receive a DVD from a popular US shopping site which is a burnt COPY. It goes back! When I buy a DVD I expect a stamped DVD that I expect to last many many years not a burnt copy which usually does not play properly after a few years.

    Yes, They are ripping us off!

    The ruling is excessive & unreasonable.

  70. WhyBother
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:23

    The whole thing is just so stupidly pointless. For one, that fine might seem big but compared to how much money we get screwed out of to watch/purchase the materials being protected it’s a tiny little drop in an infinite ocean. Second, this will stop absolutely nothing as far as file sharing is concerned, there are enough countries out there that couldn’t care less what some idiot in the states thinks that sharing will go on regardless.

    In essence all this does is highlight how money hungry these people are and how little they care about the people who actually support their crappy movies etc. Their solution will be to jack up the prices on everything to try and “recoup” the “lost” profits. They make me sick, never mind the millions dying due to lack of food/water/housing, as long as they make billions each year, the rest can go to hell.

  71. e3m88
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:29

    bittorrent sucks anyway.

  72. lul
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:44

    after watching the iron man movie I want a super hero IRL so such greedy morons as MPAA could get their ass kicked.

  73. OrthodoxAtheist
    May 8th, 2008 | 16:45

    >> You steal other people’s property and their ability to make money for their family, you get what you deserve!

    Hey… I have a bridge to sell you. That’s so b.s., I reckon the Chinese government told you to say it!

    I will apologize for any movies I downloaded next time I see the movie stars, directors or producers… oh wait, I can’t get past their security details to get to their limo or private jet. Ever wonder why someone can produce a cr*p record or movie and be an instant millionaire? because the profit ratio on such production is greater than mining diamonds! Don’t blame torrent downloaders for the poor guy on the movie set trying to feed his family, blame the actors/directors claiming 7/8 figure salaries or more for their work.

    Jeez!

    I feel sorry for Torrentspy… shouldn’t have kept records, but they put themselves in hot water for the people that used their site, and for that they should be commended… they took one for the ‘team’. I used TS when I first heard of torrents, and ISOHunt, until I worked my way up the chain. Oh, the days of noobiness. :D lol

    $110,000,000 is a joke… arrived at because they know they won’t get a cent, so the number was more about shocking the torrent world (or attempting to) than any truly appropriate number.

    I agree half the judges’ families are downloading torrents… just like the police forces around the country!

    Time for the music/movie industry to grow up and evolve. :)

  74. devnull
    May 8th, 2008 | 17:11

    hahahaha, one must love the US of A.

    Spilling hot coffee on your legs? 70Million.

    Running a tracker? 110Million

    Being naked outside? Jail.

    Is US of A comedy of drama?
    My IMDB Rating for US of A: 4 out of 10
    “A little bit of country and a little bit of rock’n'roll”…to quote SouthPark
    Atleast the dollar is disappearing in insignificance.

  75. pood
    May 8th, 2008 | 17:12

    you guys would be surprised to know torrentpsy makes a decent amount of money.

    the owners of torrentspy likely make more in a day than most ppl make in a month.

  76. Ivan Tormianinov
    May 8th, 2008 | 17:12

    I AM HAPPY!!!!

  77. jimmy
    May 8th, 2008 | 17:16

    Screw USA. And yesterday I read the if you travel to the US they can go through your computer even if you’re not suspected of a crime.

  78. common sense
    May 8th, 2008 | 18:58

    @70 Bit, I am sorry but I get so fu$(&ng tired of these people attacking the entire US for the stupid things that some of us do. That would be the equal of everyone attacking England because of the remarks of Prince Charles, or attacking the Netherlands because of the “Fitna” movie or the comic about Mohammed. If you have a problem with one person or group, take it out on them and leave the rest of us alone. Just as all Germans are not Nazi’s and all Brits are not Goose stepping Cowards or all Blacks apes or all Asians chinks; not all Americans agree with the MPAA or the RIAA and not all Americans should be painted with the same brush. All I am saying.

    As for your health insurance, I watch the discussions on this from Berlin and Paris and London on not only the BBC but other European TV stations as well on my Sat. And your health insurance is not as rosey as you try to say it is. In England the PM stated that they had to drop 1.2 billion pounds sterling into the system to keep it afloat. They were bragging about how pleased they were about cutting the waiting time to see a doctor from 18 weeks to 10, and your health insurance is not free as implied…you get taxed for that just like we do for our medicare and medicade.

    Yes you pay high fuel prices, but then again we also have cars that consume way less than standard US cars only because you have to. According to the EU’s financial Office, the taxes on a gallon of gas start with $6.72 in England to as much as $8.50 in the Eastern European countries. And the last time I looked, the size of your cars over in Europe are the same size as the ones here and get the same mpg (I spent three years on a US Military base in Europe, so please dont try and tell me different as I have seen it with my own eyes)

    You actually care a little bit more about the world? Really? Hmmm let me see, There was the French Empire-Spanish Empire-German Empire-English Empire who destroyed parts of the world so badly that they still have not recovered. India-Northern Africa-the Middle East and parts of South East Asia ring any bells?

    *Making economic decisions over lifes of others does not seem to be a problem in your country. Our governments would probably in the end like to do so as well, but they get a fair amount of protest here. We tend to have something as ‘ethics’. Not in the shady christian neo-conservative US way, but actual people caring.*

    Riiiiggghhhtttt. And the EU forcing people to change their forms of Government because they say so or forcing people to pay through the nose in taxes so some dead weight can sit at home all day and do nothing while the rest of the citizens work their arse off is now called “caring?” Or what about the singer called “simply red” who admitted actually living off unemployment for over 12 YEARS??? Since when is it caring to take money from one person and give it to another just because they refuse to work?

    *They left Europe to wipe out entire civilizations and build their own houses. They left Europe to not be European.*

    Like the Saxons did to the Normans and Normans did to the Druids. Like the English are doing now to the Irish, Like the Spanish are doing to the Bast, like the Europeans did to the Far East and I could go on. Where ever you go there was someone there first and the only way you were going to stay there is by fighting for it. That is human nature and that is in everybody, so please dont think you are somehow taking the high road on this as you are just as muddy and dirty as any body from America or anywhere else. It is just that some people refuse to see their dirt all the while trying to tell others how dirty they are.
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    @80 Jimmy, I dont know where you get your information from but unless you have done something to place you on a watch list by your government or you are acting in a suspicious way, you can rest assured that there is no one that will be dancing through your hard drive. I have left the country on vacations and returned and not once did they ask me to turn it on. Yes I did have to have it x-rayed but that was it. Next time, please make sure that you are reading something other then your countrys version of the National Enquirer.

  79. allan H
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:01

    Only a matter of time before other big US sites and search engines are in the MPAAs sites. Here’s a quick list of folks that the MPAA, RIAA and other authorities should sue:

    Google: Links to torrents and other illegal material, can’t help it though, it’s the way search engines work. Oh wait, they are huge and have the money to fight this so it could be a while before the idiots at the MPAA get round to it.

    Microsoft: Live search (or whatever it is called this week), similar search results to Google but they’re even bigger so again, the MPAA wouldn’t dare. And of course, the Zune can play non copyright files, so sue them again (that story about MS deleting anything that isnt DRM has already been shown to be nonsense).

    Archos, Creative, Apple and anyone else who makes an MP3/4 player that can play anything that may be illegal.

    Every single manufacturer of DVD players, because of course we can make our own from our downloads, or sue them again because they can play DIVX files these days.

    Every single TV manufacturer because we can use them to display our illegal downloads.

    Every single PC manufacturer because we can use them to download and play our illegal downloads.

    Anyone who lives in the US, because of course, we know that everyone in the US is a potential criminal if we believe the MPAA and RIAA.

    In fact, also sue them all again because they can also be used to find and display stuff such as child porn.

    Cisco, after all, they make 99% of the routers that make up the internet so they must be allowing all this illegal material.

    Tim Bernards Lee, he invented this world wide web thingy that allows us to easily find and download all this naughty stuff.

    The US military and all those universities, colleges and schools that were originally part of Arpanet, after all, that was the start of the internet and is what led to us being able to get all this stuff.

    Every ISP in the world, after all we need them to get online so they are giving us access to the material in the first place.

    Every person on the planet, because all of us either do, or might download all this illegal stuff.

  80. Hans Bollmann
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:01

    Copyright has increasingly become an instrument for securing huge investments. But for a democratic society, that thrives on a large diversity of freely expressed and discussed cultural expressions, it’s succumbs to stagnation and regression, all because of some bureaucratic encumbrance of intellectual property rights.

  81. Madigan
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:01

    I can’t believe how naive some people are. Do you really believe everything you read and hear? Besides, Japan owns a good portion of the movie industry. Blame them.

  82. Hans Bollmann
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:05

    Copyrights are selfish; they place the good of the one (the creator) over the good of the many (the audience). Instead of allowing a work to be improved and redistributed by those who may be more qualified than the original author, works are restricted in the name of monetary profit.

    The technical term for this is “rent-seeking,” meaning special-interest coalitions who pressure the government to transfer wealth to them. The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act, the No Electronic Theft Act, etc…

    In addition, software patents deny society their culture expressions, and creative innovation, by locking out the individual from sharing their ideas with each other and by leaving nothing for other artists and or creators to build on…

  83. Hans Bollmann
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:06

    Patents are suppressing innovation in the digital age by making it possible to monopolize methods and practices. Hundreds of thousands of patents sit on a shelf somewhere, never to be implemented, their ideas shut out from the rest of the world.

    They frame this as a massive battle to stop theft, to protect property. Who’s property? Property originating of and by our society for their corporate proprietors in pursuit of making more profits, as patentees and monopolizers, regulating our culture’s creativity, by controlling the evolution of our culture?

  84. Hans Bollmann
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:09

    Creativity has come to a standstill in the U.S.A. for those who wish to work within, and benefit from, the confines of the law. Legitimate creative derivative works are now smothered by the excessive terms, restrictions and punishments of our copyright system.

    Where does an algorithm end and a patentable invention begin?

    How much variation distinguishes one idea from another?

    The vast majority of copyrighted works is owned by a relatively small group of large conglomerates. These mega-industries create, invent or produce nothing at all, yet demand that artists sign over all rights to their works to them [Recording Industry Association of America, Motion Picture Association of America], just for the privilege of having their works distributed.

  85. Hans Bollmann
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:10

    It is unfortunately quite clear such patents have nothing to do with protecting investments nor research and development, and only with obtaining exclusion rights which can help them [Microsoft's +6000 patents] maintain their dominant position in the market.

    The consequences are detrimental by having a few dictate to the rest what culture sharing among us can be allowed, while stunting our growth, and our spirit for the spread of our culture. Even our culture identity is hindered. Consider currently, almost anything can be someone’s property, such as fragrances and colors; even the makeup of the proteins in our blood and the genes in our body cells are being claimed as the exclusive property of one company or another, which can subsequently bar anyone else from using it.

  86. Ergopad
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:11

    Stupid american idiots, they weren’t doing anything illigal. If you have enough money, the court will do justice to YOU. :(

    Torrentspy weren’t a trackersite, but a search engine. And you can set google only to search torrents, perhaps MPAA should sue Google too?!? Maybe MPAA should learn the lesson, that the more people download, more they also buy. There was good study of this in one of Universitys of Canada.

    It’s really honourable of Torrentspy folk to not to share the userdatabase, but rather destroy it. Appreciated.

    Thanks Torrentspy! “Heroes never die… As long as they are remembered.”

  87. Hans Bollmann
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:14

    Artists and inventors have always used and built upon other artists’ and inventors work to create new works of art and invention coming into existence without this principle of freely building on the work of predecessors.

    How can DRM identify “fair use” of copyrighted material?

    What about our rights as citizens to be allowed both individual expression and equal access to information in a free and open transparent society of a democratic republic?

    What would happen if copyright were abolished?

  88. allan H
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:19

    “Like the English are doing now to the Irish”
    Commonsense, what the hell are you on about here?.

    You know nothing about British/Irish history at all. The British ruled Ireland, and the Irish were persecuted, certainly true 100 years ago. The agreement to split the island of Ireland was an agreement between the then British government and the Irish fledgling government at the time. Both sides new if this did not happen major bloodshed and a full civil war would probably ensue. Of course the Irish have never given up their claim to the North, and good for them. However, was the murder of innocent civilians by the US FUNDED IRA justified?. If you say yes then you must also agree that the current tactics of the muslim terrorists who attacted on 9/11 are also justified. It was the US (including members of your government – The Kennedy clan) who funded the IRA, anyone who donated to Noraid during the 70s and 80s has blood on their hands. And don’t dare say the IRA only targeted military targets (which is what many US terrorist apologists always try to say), tell that to the child killed in Warrington, tell that to the two innocent shop keepers killed in Docklands, tell that to the innocent drinkers in the Birmingham pub bombings, tell that to the innocent workers killed on the bus bombing in the late 80s, tell that to the thousands of innocent protestants AND catholics killed by both sides in Northern Ireland, tell that to the families of those killed in Enniskillen.

    In what way is Britain (because again, England is only one of FOUR countries that make up the UK) stifling the Irish currently?. The Republic of Ireland has a strong economy, is now helping to stabilise and heal wounds in Northern Ireland and has excellent relations with the UK. I believe Ireland will be reunited, and personally would like to see it happen, but it has to happen with agreement and assurances for the people on all sides.

    How far do we go back?, do we British hate the Norwegians for the rape, murder and pillage of Britain and thousand years ago?, what about YOUR country and it’s murder and oppression of Blacks by YOUR GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES right up until only 40 years ago?. What about your country and it’s murder of the hundreds of thousands of Native Americans?.

    My point is, every single country in the world has it’s good people and it’s bad people, every single country has it’s past with many things the peoples of our nations would rather forget, but it is part of our history.

    And one final point, your country would not exist if it wasn’t for the French, they came to your rescue when the British were on the verge of winning the war of independence so why do most US folks hate the French so much?.

    OK, rant over.

  89. Hans Bollmann
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:19

    How does society benefit when it’s own people are barred, blocked and denied their rights to understand how these technologies work, function and operate?

    This issue isn’t only just about Torrentspy, as I tried to point out above, in which the root issue has everything to do with how society functions in their economy by using
    “Intellectual Property Rights”.

    This issue isn’t just with the U.S.A. either… People need to understand what’s at stake and happening here. I hope by sharing my opinions here and above, it will bring into focus the real issues at hand.

    And remember, it’s what the people are willing to tolerate that becomes public policy.

  90. heh
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:21

    No, the USA is stupid and pathetic on more than just this one level. The true patriots realize this and would see it changed to it’s former glory. If you don’t realize this, then you are the blind one.

  91. Hans Solo
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:25

    Oh, you hate the USA?

    Then Stop Downloading our F****** movies and games!!

    F OFF! You jealous bastards!

  92. jgarofalo
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:26

    hey, the rationality of the judge sucks, or does the US legal system so?
    there is a very old doctrine about how the evidence was obtained, it is called “the doctrine of the fruit from the poisonous tree”, it rules that if the evidence was obtained violating some law it must not be considered by the judge, because nobody can break the law under the pretext of making others respect that law.
    I wonder how legal is in the US to pay a (pseudo)”hacker” to VIOLATE PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE of members of a firm Torrentspy.
    In my country that is the crime, and the guys that pay for that are so called “intellectual autors” of that crime. What a paradox! Those who claim for the interest of the big intermediaries of the business of intellectual property become intellectual autors of a crime while trying to bother others.
    What a shame for that judge!!

  93. lind
    May 8th, 2008 | 19:56

    I’m never going to the US

  94. ryan
    May 8th, 2008 | 20:13

    i wouldn’t feel sorry for them getting sued. why would they host copyrighted stuff in the US anyway. thats probably about how much big movie companies lose in profit that gets stolen.

  95. R
    May 8th, 2008 | 20:13

    @94 Im chewbacca.

  96. common sense
    May 8th, 2008 | 20:14

    @96 So I suppose that just because the British ruled over Ireland a hundred years ago somehow justifies the grip they have over the northern part of that country today? Or all the people they have killed in the desperate attempt to keep control over it and their fading empire that they eventually lost anyway? It would seem that you are the one that is ignorant of history.

    As you can see all views are suspect…that is unless they can be backed up by historical fact as mine are. So like it or not, you flunked basic history 101. Now you need to go back to summer school.

  97. ryan
    May 8th, 2008 | 20:17

    does it look like we are wasting billions of dollars to get cheap oil in the middle east. i dont think so. and gas it like 3-5 dollars a gallon over here. so not cheap. you europeans can do the math urself…

  98. A.Bundy
    May 8th, 2008 | 20:24

    “distribution of wealth. we leech, the rich that are involved in entertainment get poorer. hopefully”

    for the first time in history, this is now true. back in the golden days, you had to pay to watch a play, listen to music, etc. nothing could be bootlegged back then.

    and i for one am fed up to watch the rich buy their 25th mansion after they made millions from another crap movie. i can barely pay my electric bill and rent, thanks to other idiot rich fukers that decided to unregulate everything.

  99. common sense
    May 8th, 2008 | 20:25

    @93 all you have to do to see who is stupid and pathetic is look in the mirror and then look at your parents who gave you your dna.

    @96 tell you what. You tell us what country you are from and I will give that info to my cousin who can make sure that all aid to your country ceases. Since you dont like us, then sell your computer (we own the copyrights to MAC and Windows as well as the major majority of the parts that make up the computer) cancel your internet account since we invented it back in the 1950′s (and I have given proof of same by no less then the UN itself) and the backbone of the internet is located in the US (not to mention that the UN has been trying to force us to give it to them but we told them to blow us, we are not giving it up) as well as give back your AC-microwave-Telephone-Radio-TV and the car you are driving as it was made on an American invention. As well as gas masks-Stop lights-blood bags-x ray machines and a host of drugs that you now take from Asprin right down to pepto bismal.

    If you are going to hate us, then you need to cease using what we have invented. We can get along without you…the question is can you get along without us and our inventions? The answer is..”I dont think so.”

  100. satake
    May 8th, 2008 | 21:11

    US Sucks big time PERIOD

  101. killerready
    May 8th, 2008 | 21:33

    I say kill all in the federal judge and kill all in MPAA..I be happy to see them killed

  102. simon
    May 8th, 2008 | 22:04

    Who cares.. Stand up for your bloody rights! I WILL BE A PIRATE FOR EVER. AND NO BLOODY CORPORATION CAN STOP ME!

  103. Evileye
    May 8th, 2008 | 22:08

    I did not realise that torrentspy was a international company how many thousands of workers did it employ? 111 million dollars fine. I just thought it was a website linking torrents. In the United Kingdom I was reading today there is a channel called ITV very large company it was fined just 5.5million pounds for telephone fraud to a whole nation now this company has many people working for it producing TV shows and everything else even the awards that is gave international stars was completely fraud. It makes me wonder??? mmmm

  104. Evileye
    May 8th, 2008 | 22:12

    @ 52 You know what the problem is your right !

  105. Flying Knee Of Death
    May 8th, 2008 | 23:13

    @105 : LOL do you really expect Americans to stand for their rights ? Most of them are asleep at the wheel and know nothing or just don’t care about what the hell is going on in their country.

    They are quickly losing their freedoms and rights (Patriot Act I and II , warrantless surveillance programs , secret prisons overseas , bogus war(s) based on lies ect ect ect) but only a few seem to realize that the military industrial complex , corporate interests and powerful lobbies are taking over. The U.S is slowly but surely turning into a totalitarian plutocracy and anyone who don’t see this is blind.

    Eishenhower warned us about all of this but it seems that it fell into deaf ears. Sad and pathetic

  106. bINKY
    May 8th, 2008 | 23:34

    It’s amusing to read comments blaming this government or that for this or that. Very 19th century. Today it’s All Glory to Global Corporate Fascism – national governments are just minions to big business.

  107. ian
    May 9th, 2008 | 00:03
  108. speedy11131
    May 9th, 2008 | 01:43

    Torrentspy went downhill when they started blocking US access. Removed the shoutwire feed, and replaced everything with ads. Hell if your tracker/site is in the US, you’re bound the get caught IMO. Thats why IF they do come back, they should do something like Demonoid, host in a country where the laws aren’t so shall we say, “enforced”.

  109. Endless Diversity
    May 9th, 2008 | 01:51

    Why bother to host a site in US anymore… US broadband speed is a joke for big country.

    I am sure all that stupid MPAA people used to / still use torrent to download pirated stuff . e.g mp3 or etc

    maybe we all should hire investigator that will investigate all MPAA employers, and send all of them to hell

  110. farscape
    May 9th, 2008 | 04:27

    Pirate bay is located at http://thepiratebay.org/ not at the site listed above… I pinged the site mentioned and it returns as located in Marina Del Rey, California IP=85.17.142.41 most likely it is run and operated as an entrapment site. And if you are curious, the posted FAQ for torrentspy… also resolves to the same city. IP=85.17.142.22 And is it any surprise that the MPAA has operations based in THAT city. Be wary people,very,very wary!!! It is not difficult to isolate where an URL or IP originates from… they can find you… you cannot hide. Even those that use Proxy sites can be found. All that is required is a court supeona for records and they have you dead to rights. All I can say is be careful, very, very careful!

  111. MOHOGANY
    May 9th, 2008 | 08:31

    They must have known something like this would eventually happen. Why on earth in 2008 they are still hosting a torrent site within US soil is beyond me.

    PS Ryan, there is no such word as ‘urself’. It’s yourself.

  112. a helping hand
    May 9th, 2008 | 08:41

    instead of giving our opinions to worthless viewers, we should make a contribution to those that have actually saved us alot of money. i used torrentspy.com so much with movies, tv shows, and programs but stopped using it once i knew they were caught with something. i think it would be really helpful if we were to give a donation to those that are suffering the consequence because of our shameful desires….

    someone make a website for donations and i’ll send some money. $110 million is too much.
    i need to feel like i payed for something with all the hard work that people have put into my own enjoyment.

  113. Steven
    May 9th, 2008 | 09:08

    9th Circuit? They are safe. The 9th is a circus and very liberal. They will probably overturn this and rule in favor of torrentspy.

  114. daashyte
    May 9th, 2008 | 15:33

    that stupid judge! he shouldnt of been overseeing this, he should be at home checking on his son little Johnny in the basement downloading every f**king thing he can get his little paws on burning it to dvd and selling them to the Judges hill billy cousins….LMAO! long live isohunt!!!

  115. Hans Solo
    May 10th, 2008 | 01:44

    It’s funny how all you people say things like “U.S. sucks” and “I’m never going to the U.S.”.

    When, in fact you European/Asian/Etc. immigrants are coming here in record f***ing numbers.

    I JUST wish you a**holes would end your comments with the country where you are really from so I could have a laugh or a pertinent rebuttal about how your country pales in comparison to the U.S.

    I’m an American and despite all of it’s flaws I’ve never want to live anywhere else. And I’ve seen the world from Italy to Argentina!

    Even you’re best directors (e.g. Bergman) say a couple lines in English in their movies and isn’t that what it’s all about. What you are here for? Our superior movies, music, and games?

    You suck and swallow it up; and you still hate. You’re pathetic hypocrites.

  116. Hans Solo
    May 10th, 2008 | 01:45

    It’s funny how all you people say things like “U.S. sucks” and “I’m never going to the U.S.”.

    When, in fact you European/Asian/Etc. immigrants are coming here in record f***ing numbers.

    I JUST wish you a**holes would end your comments with the country where you are really from so I could have a laugh or a pertinent rebuttal about how your country pales in comparison to the U.S.

    I’m an American and despite all of it’s flaws I’ve never want to live anywhere else. And I’ve seen the world from Italy to Argentina!

    Even you’re best directors (e.g. Bergman) say a couple lines in English in their movies and isn’t that what it’s all about. What you are here for? Our superior movies, music, and games?

    You suck and swallow it up; and you still hate.

  117. Roflcer of the Lawl
    May 10th, 2008 | 03:41

    Lets just make it 1 billion dollars while we are at it

  118. Suze
    May 10th, 2008 | 13:29

    I am from the UK and I don’t hate America, I have been there a lot and I love it!!! What I do hate though, is the rampant patriotic fervor any anti US comment stirs up.

    I mean, Hans Solo, what’s the big fu*king deal? If it’s so great just chillax, you live in the “best” country in the world, your extensive travels from Italy to Argentina have PROVEN that beyond reasonable doubt, so just be happy and STFU.

    Common Sense, your another supreme patriot. I mean your so blinded by love for your nation that you would believe every invention from the wheel to the nuclear powered hover car was created in the states. The funny thing is, of all the inventions you spoke of only a couple were truly American inventions. Most were multi national efforts (yeah, that’s right a scary concept MULTI national).

    It is not Americans we hate and it is not America itself. It is your amazingly egotistical and xenophobic attitude towards the rest of the world, as exemplified by the two posters I have mentioned. This obnoxious and conceited mind set will not strengthen your (none existent) arguments.

    Here’s an idea, why not focus your rage towards Burma, now there’s a messed up country deserving of some criticism!

  119. Zak
    May 10th, 2008 | 22:27

    Well, Suze makes a great point
    Respect :D

    I have nothing against USA. Its a great place by all means. But hey you Common Sense fella, y’agotta hav enough common sense to know that no county no place is all perfect right?

    And yes, Burma is a doomed place..Pity.. And istead of spending billions for these stuff, try feeding those millions of starved kids and ppl living in poverty all arnd the world.

  120. Mickey
    May 11th, 2008 | 01:58

    I am from Europe, South-Eastern part, and i don’t think America is perfect or the best place to live or the worst place or even hell. It’s a place that has good and bad sides, like others. I agree with Suze in some opinions, and another thing, both Europe and America were wrong in the past, people on each continent wage war and genocide so there is no perfect place. The only thing there is greed and lust for power, on both sides.
    And some moral and ethics :D .
    As for the technology i mean it is really dumb to claim that the technology used today is someone’s own and personal achievement. It is all human civilization’s common achievement and development. The computers would’t exist without physics, and physics without mathematics and so on…
    Anyway i think that we drifted apart from the general subject somehow, but that just my opinion :D

  121. steve
    May 11th, 2008 | 03:58

    You do the crime and pay for the time.

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