Comments on: TorrentSpy Loses Case Against MPAA

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By: Rubric

Rubric — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:40:48 +0000

Piracy will live on forever, and maybe one day they’ll realize that like most things, change affects everything. You take one down and ten more pop up, same ole story day after day. MPAA can get a clue and get a life.

Keep up the incredible work as it’s a service to all of us, and hero’s like Torrentspy need to applauded for their work and effort.

By: Viper-7

Viper-7 — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:43:07 +0000

“Slowly but surely, the torrent sites will disappear. Then, once Rapidshare is hauled into court by the MPAA, you’ll really see the well dry up for a lot of releases.” – 61

LOL..

Piracy has been around for a long time before Torrentspy and Rapidshare… and the MPAA, the RIAA, whoever can shut down as many of these individual sites as they like, they CAN’T win!

It’s pretty fundamental to the way the internet works… you’re transmitting tons of encrypted, compressed or encapsulated data, some of it legal, some of it not. There is NO sure-fire way they can EVER block all the illegal material, without shutting down the internet entirely…

Newsgroups, IRC, FTP, Torrents, P2P (DHT, Gnutella, etc), Websites (Rapidshare, etc), and the list goes on.. and these are just the common examples…

So far the best comebacks they’ve developed are

Shutting down individual major offenders (torrent sites, etc) – we have a near infinite supply… go nuts guys…

‘Scare Tactics’ by suing a token number of minor offenders – Way to make the general community side with the pirates.. lol

DRM – Which hinders us from duplicating their digitally-released material, but will never stop piracy from the source. Not to mention the extra limitations imposed on you for owning the ‘legit’ DRM-encoded digital copy, as opposed to a standard MP3 or Xvid that can be played on almost anything.

‘Nag Screens’ on paid material telling you not to download stuff – I don’t see how this discourages downloading at all.. if anything it encourages it.. (download & you don’t have to sit through their unskippable anti-piracy propaganda every time you want to watch the movie you paid for..)

Alot people fighting piracy are slowly waking up to themselves.. The best they can ever hope to achieve is to slow it down, or jump on the band-wagon.

The only way they’ll ever win-back customers that’ve turned to piracy is either to make it so infuriating to pirate media its not worth it (thats starting to fail now, noob-friendly piracy methods have been around a while now too) or by offering a competing service.

Yes yes I’ve seen the few.. well.. crap offerings for ‘legitimate’ movie downloads. But they’ve still got so many things wrong..

We don’t pay to watch TV.. we pay for it by being subjected to almost a 50/50 mix of programming and advertising, which is acceptable to most people, and works for everyone. But i’ve never seen a legal, advertising supported, online movie store..

Not to mention I’m sure a reasonably large percentage of viewers don’t have a credit card or online payment method (which is required for all the online movie stores i’ve seen so far)

And when it comes right down to it, I’ve never seen one come close to offering the selection & variety you can find on any one of a million torrent sites.

The world changed quite a while ago now guys… Time for the fat cats to stop living in their little dream worlds, and catch up on the workings of the uncensored, uncontrolled domain of the internet. Personal choice is now a single click away, and they’re never going to win by pushing inferior products at extortionate prices.

/rant

And a big (Y) to Torrentspy, not that my IP would be in that listing, they did the right thing in protecting their users. With people like them around, the MPAA/RIAA aren’t only never going to beat piracy, they don’t even have a prayer

By: David

David — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:39:29 +0000

Deleted our ip’s? Try and find meh nowz mpaa TORRENTS 4 EVAH!

By: deathclaw

deathclaw — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:38:57 +0000

[quote]
#
@88 psies
They just should have said they had a harddisk crash orso..
And were unable to recover all data…
Just put some 220v on the disk… Oeps.. its failed on my..
Let MPAA prove otherwise..
It’s just bad luck.. harddrive crash. Can happen to anybody..
#

putting 220v on hdd wouldn’t delete any file on drive, it would only burn electronic which is easily replaced!!!

By: Ahpuch

Ahpuch — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:00:59 +0000

Now how come the **AA’s don’t go after Library’s and such, they too are “Sharing” their products in some places for nothing but a little card that has your info on it. Leave me alone and go fine your local librarian.

By: A.Bundy

A.Bundy — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:06:33 +0000

Sad sad day. I dont say this often, in fact never. Thanks Torrent Spy. The MPAA will follow the lonely empty road that the RIAA has been following for years. As long as there are DVD, HD-DVD, and BD Burners, there will always be torrents!

By: knux

knux — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:05:21 +0000

Thing is that if they had in their ToS that they have martial law of the forums and/or were in no way to be connected to the media or material posted other than the deletion of said posts.

1. Martial Law permits them to completely nuke the site (probably should have done that from the start and claim a hacker had done it)

2. Not being connected to anything on the forums while having Martial Law means that they could delete ANYTHING they want at ANY time. Judges cannot prevent the announcement of Martial Law and if it is a computer system you are the authority of your own property.

3. Unless they had a warrant they could not call anything evidence.

4. The judge said to log everything in the RAM which means EVERYONE on at that time onward. All they needed to do was flush the RAM and block all logging… This would, in theory, not show ANY IPs in the RAM.

5. They saved a lot of people but ultimately shot themselves in the foot for not thinking… Sad really but when you deal with mean ol attorneys you need smart pirates on deck, not some poopdeck scrubber. Sorry TSpy I just never used ya so I guess I don’t really feel any sympathy.

By: Sheep shagger

Sheep shagger — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:34:35 +0000

@89 Thanks for the article, was a good read. Now if only RIAA would take note of one of the last sentances that was in it: “In short, if you are competing with the darknet, you must compete on the darknet’s own terms: that is convenience and low cost rather than additional security.”

By: shallowgrave

shallowgrave — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:22:37 +0000

The rise of the Darknets will soon be upon us…
http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm

google to know more about them…

By: psies

psies — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:28:21 +0000

They just should have said they had a harddisk crash orso..
And were unable to recover all data…
Just put some 220v on the disk… Oeps.. its failed on my..
Let MPAA prove otherwise..
It’s just bad luck.. harddrive crash. Can happen to anybody..

By: vanny

vanny — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:15:43 +0000

A Question, after EDonkey’s dead and Torrents are dead now:

Where should the normal lamer like me go to get some content besides rapidshare and megaupload?

IRC is to stressful if you are only 2-4h a day at the computer.

Buying access to a usnet server is expensiv and if that owner is busted they got your credit card number …

By: RLSLOG.NET

RLSLOG.NET — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:00:18 +0000

[QUOTE]your paying to use a site for getting illegal downloads… your on the books and you cant deny it in any way… hahaha another one is born every day… I am out fellas![/QUOTE]

WHO SAYS THEY ARE USING RAPIDSHARE FOR ILLEGAL DOWNLOADS ?

By: PG

PG — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:47:31 +0000

I think it’s about time we put an ultimatum to the MAFIAA and their lawyer lackeys: Back off or we’ll make sure each and every new release is available for free everywhere, including direct uploads to infected PCs, mass-postings on all forums (relevant or otherwise) and so on, so that only the most law-abiding people ever would spend money on their stuff. This will kill the major movie/music business really fast – unless they wise up and back off. They need to change their business model radically with simultaneous global releases on all media (no head start for US cinemas or similar) and a dramatic cut in price – and of course a full stop to any and all legal proceedings related to ‘piracy’. Sure it’s pure blackmail but it’s nothing compared the the method currently being used by the MAFIAA against the common consumer.

By: TheGuru

TheGuru — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:42:47 +0000

Anyone know of a mac version of a program to hide your ip address?

Also, @ 43 who said “@9: Yeah i rarely use torrents now, however I DO NOT PAY FOR PREMIUM. I use link generators which basically cracks the premium thing for me”

where do you find link generators?