The War On Democracy 2007 DVDRip XviD-NOsegmenT
A well rated Documentary appears on the scene thanks to mostly TV group NOsegmenT. The film has 8.3/10 with 259 votes. The film exposes the true nature of the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the worlds elite. Interviews with ex-CIA agents were videoed which provide credible evidence that supports that the US gov. took part in secret campaigns to overthrow democratic governments. The film is set both in Latin America and the United States, and explores the historic and current relationship of Washington with countries such as Venezuela, Bolivia and Chile. You should grab this if you are into history, politics, current events or conspiracy. Note: this release has not leaked out to p2p yet. Until then no NFOs, snaps, or details.
Award winning journalist John Pilger examines the role of Washington in America’s manipulation of Latin American politics during the last 50 years leading up to the struggle by ordinary people to free themselves from poverty and racism. Since the mid 19th Century Latin America has been the ‘backyard’ of the US, a collection of mostly vassal states whose compliant and often brutal regimes have reinforced the ‘invisibility’ of their majority peoples. The film reveals similar CIA policies to be continuing in Iraq, Iran and Lebanon. The rise of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez despite ongoing Washington backed efforts to unseat him in spite of his overwhelming mass popularity, is democratic in a way that we have forgotten or abandoned in the west. True Democracy being a solid 80% voter turnout in support of Chavez in over 6 elections.
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Comments(195)
looks interesting, will give this one a shot
This will make American’s head explode so they better not watch it.
@2 well the lemmings’ head.. not the free thinkers
there aint no prison break this week???
coz i checked the air date it says 18 of feb for ep12
@3 are there any?
very nice post. thanks
this has been out on torrent sites since September of last year
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3780383/John_Pilger_-_The_War_On_Democracy_-_2007
as usual Mr. X picks and chooses what he likes to try to brainwash into making us anti-americans. of course he will get a release that is months old, he just dishes out what he likes, not a credible editor in my opinion.
Very well made documentary!!! Worth watching.
#8
OMG HOW DID YOU NO THAT !?
Rapidshare anyone?
The film exposes the true nature of the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the worlds elite.
its ok when they do it
screw all governments
@8 what kind of drugs are you on mr president
F*CK ALL ESTABLISHMENT
I’d like to point out that while Mr. X seems to be very keen on trumpeting the right to free speech and makes fun of the blatant disregard for civil rights in a lot of countries, he censors a lot of a bad stuff said about him. Just like he’ll delete a bunch of these posts in a few hours….
Oh and yes, Prison Break is on tonight. The escape finally happens on tonight’s episode.
Dont post shi1t unless you have a link to a torrent, NFO and samples!!
Mr. X ?? NICE ONE DUDE !!!! i watched it about 3 months ago
but nice all the same and @2 Mr Right the effects of all this are existent in the whole world dude !!! type in
.cell phone mind control. and see what you get!!
omg, you ares o slowly :\
All fake things:
Space aliens harbored by Air Force at Area 51,
Government blowing up Building 7 of the WTC,
CIA assassinating President Kennedy.
And 80% voter turnout for Chavez is nothing, what about 100% voter turnout for Castro every election?? That is True Democracy!
The American government is just a tool of multinational corporations. American President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against bowing to the military-industrial complex in 1961. Apparently, no one listened. And those of you who think it can’t happen to your government, think again, it probably already has. But it’s better for business if you stick your heads in the sand and blame the evil Amerikans. All Glory to Global Corporate fascism!!!
@8
How is allowing people access to more information, anti-American?
It’s actually anti-American and un-American when you have no other choice of information, other than what the ones in charge want you to have.
It’s better to have more information and come up with your OWN decisions, than to be GIVEN only one side which results in someone else deciding for you.
The more times a Lie is repeated, the more it becomes the Truth.
@ pink_taco_luver: That’s a P2P release, not a scene release. Maybe you’ll do everyone a favor by looking at this blog’s title. Thanks.
Now regarding the movie: I’m really excited for it, I’m glad there’s a new documentary about this subject.
Only idiots would believe this. And it seems the world has many.
@Michael Collins
Unless you happen to work for a defense contractor. Then life is great because you get paid well and you are keeping America safe from muslim radicals.
I love my job.
@8
I lol’d /pat
Oh it’s well rated by a whole 260people at IMDB out of 6 billion worldwide. IMDB ratings mean crap.
you morons this video is pretty credible, all you want to be democrats and republicans need to get a tube shove up your arses,you guys are too ignorent to realize what going on then b*tch about gas prices like yelling is going to change something, good sh*t mr. x, mad props
@22 unhappy
Agreed! If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em
No thanks. I don’t partake in socialist propaganda.
governments could not run without corporate finances
paid for by wonkers
ran by wonkers
please dont take this comment off mr x like you did with my last comment
only trying to help
and the trolls comment in waves…
@8sorry
Dude if you want to be stupid enough to be brainwashed by a post of Mr.X or any Mr.X for that matter then indeed you are stupid. @sorry i’m sorry but i’m not do not speak for everyone speak for yourself.
And something else when you are talking about anti-americans you are talking about the whole world you know why ?? because american kids learn from school that america is the ”greeeaatest naaation of the woooorld” and in three to four american movies you will hear that line, the 1st syndrome like here in rlslog if you post ”1st!!!” you’ll probably have about ten comments for you calling you as.shole
Now to end this i believe that Americans do not exist the true Americans were leaving in the woods running with the wild life till those european Fu.ckheads or you could say american fathers killed them all and took their lands !!!!! Sorry for the off topic!:P ty.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
For those who like conspiracy-theory … i call it the truth
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@30 yeah we did the same to aboriginals and the irish as well as many others,but dont blame the europeans,blame the ruling classes
i’d never take land off my brothers and sisters
never knew there were so many idiots around
@G@wain
The native americans lost the wat, and that is how they lost their land. It was won fair and square by the European settlers of North America.
If the native americans would have fought back a little better, they wouldn’t have lost.
more anti american crap
try this one
http://rapidshare.com/files/52033524/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52034142/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52034951/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52035599/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52036195/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52036895/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52037774/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part7.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52037510/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.part8.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/52032626/Wa.on.De.dayphorum.eu.sfv
as from http://www.tiny.cc/
@30 hey buddy you know who says America is the greatest nation? those hundreds of thousands who vote with their feet and do anything they can to go there, not to Venezuela or Cuba, despite all the mumbo jumbo you commie losers spread nobody seems convinced enough to ACTUALLY go live in one of those red hellholes you shmuck
lol at all the whackjob liberals. keep sipping the kool-aid and spouting your rediculous whacko-lib rhetoric, it’s like comedy for us sane people.
http://rapidshare.com/files/51505695/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part02.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51509535/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part03.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51521915/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part01.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51531307/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part04.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51614017/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part05.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51619727/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part06.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51625279/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part07.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51630804/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part08.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/51632702/TheWarOnDemocracy-Xvid-_WS.part09.rar
Pass: diziplanet.org
meh it basically deserves no response, it’s just that you can’t help being amused at all the brainwashed idiocy coming from these *insert-any-antiwestern-ideology*-supporting types
like this idiot Pilger, he makes this POS film, and then people of Venezuela say FUK U to that Stalin wannabe Chavez in a referendum
Hello, I’d just like to announce that instead of posting Rapid Share links, it would be smarter to post links to adrive or flyupload. It’s impossible for free users to download more than 100 MB at a time on RapidShare.
In case this wasn’t OBVIOUS to you in the past, you heard it here first.
Prison.Break.S03E12.HDTV.XviD-XOR
@travis bickle
Don’t be so cheap. If people post Rapidshare links, get yourself a rapidshare account and download those links. Or else don’t complain and just use Rapidshare for free.
It will just take you a week to download the whole thing that way.
for me it seems there’s good things and bad things on this doc, i haven’t seen it yet but it does seems like it champions chavez a bit and that doesn’t work for me.
but, it also seems to shed some light on the usa’s direct involvement in uprisings, asasinations, etc worldwide for some time, and that’s good, anything that sheds light on a tabu like this with good evidence is very welcomed, i want to know what the people who are “governing” me are doing!
anyway, anybody’s seen it?
plikthai, that’s in English?
America is bankrupt and that’s neither liberal or conservative. I’d post a chart of the dollar for the past three years but I wouldn’t want to make poor Timmy cry.
Your conservatives are running a 400billion dollar debt his year. 2009 as well. All your income taxes will go towards paying the interest on it. You work four months of the year just to pay your taxes and not a single cent will go to a school or hospital. Those must be “liberal” to you though. More bullets right tough guy? You don’t even make those anymore either. Just really bad media, that we steal.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18137343/the_fear_factory
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18056504/truth_or_terrorism_the_real_story_behind_five_years_of_high_alerts
screw society screw governments screw liberals(whoever they are)as long as a government body can get away with torture(be it mental or physical)it will never be a free world
cant wait for the mothership to come back for me
That poster is take from the “America Freedom To Fascism” poster???
Any torrents … I tried searching here and there and nothing to be found!
If you wanna watch it and don’t mind a bit of bad quality its available on google video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148
Castro is the dictator, and Chavez is the ridiculous dictator. Is the same ideology, dangerous ideology.
The war on democracy? The war against the democratie!!
It is the fight of the dictatorships against the democratie.
No pasaran!! They will not win.
Good movie, recommended.
It’s pretty old. I think you could get it on chmoskytorrents since 07, or maybe earlier.
The fat CIA guy (talking about Chile as i recall) is pretty interesting. No wonder nobody likes americans.
@36
pass: http://www.dayphorum.eu
@rqqt
Are you crazy??
Everyone loves Americans, we invented the internet for God sakes!
It is a testament to how stupid a *minority* of Americans are that they see true journalism and attempted transparency for government as “anti-american”. A free and open society is the most democratic possible, and that is what such documentaries are attempting to create.
As a Brit’ in the U.S., I can testify that there are many ‘free thinkers’… they just don’t get as much airtime in Europe as it isn’t as entertaining as the Rednecks driving-over then eating possums, or the trash who want their five minutes of fame on Jerry Springer.
Finally… let us not correlate high voter turnout with democracy. In many of the world’s most democratic countries voters are disinterested politically, or happy with the status quo, and thus do not vote. In most high-turnout elections (admittedly mostly in African countries), voters are beaten or threatened and told how to vote.
Must admit though… I kinda like Chavez though!
It’s hard not to appreciate anyone using oil revenues to fund welfare, and who promotes the reading of Noam Chomsky. 
my $0.02.
p.s. lets try to avoid having every African RLSLog reader flame me… you know the countries I’m refering too!
Looks promising, and to all the close minded Americans, stfu and don’t post if you have nothing good to post about the release.
For all those who like to learn the truth and get a broader view of this spectrum check out “Terrorstorm” and other films by Alex Jones. And Zeitgeist, even better.
Terrorstorm
How the government stages false-flag events to achieve political and sociological ends.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2006/terrorstorm.htm
Its not the the Americans they don’t like, its the so called “leaders” are are *ucking murders and terrorists them selfs!
Only hope for America is “Ron Paul”. God help us all if he doesn’t get elected.
@34 “The native americans lost…their land. It was won fair and square by the European settlers of North America.”
Sort of like how the Palestinians lost their land, and continue to lose, “fair and square”. Right?
That’s why it’s called ‘ignor(e)’ance.
@Rohit
Yea, prisonplanet.tv is a reliable source of unbiased information. Suuuuuure it is.
Thanks! Shows like this (and the ones below) should remind us that all governments (and people with power) need to be monitored closely.
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~Unprecedented – The 2000 Presidential Election (2002, 50 min, imdb=8.0)
~Hacking.Democracy.WS.PDTV.XviD-SYS.avi
~PBS Frontline – The Tank Man (2006.TVRip.SoS).avi
~PBS Bill Moyer’s Journal – 2007.04.25 – Buying The War (TVRip.1h25m)
@ 8: “Turd”.
lol @34. Frank… didn’t I see you last week on Jerry Springer.
::chuckle::
This should go nice with my collection with Zeitgeist and America: Freedom to Fascism. Waiting on Vito, Tito or Snake.
Note: Don’t feed the trolls.
Well, comment # 34 does have a point. The native americans did lose the battle for their land, it wasn’t like they were forced off of it or didnt get a chance to fight for it. They lost it in battles.
Similar to the native africans who were picked up and sold into slavery. Those people also had a chance to fight off their captors, but they too lost the battle.
History is filled with people that lost battles, don’t make the victors out to be the problem. Those that lost should have fought harder, they might have changed history.
monitored closely?
i’d say burned at the stake
whoever you vote for the government wins
Sorry, no results found…
Try to change the search query or search for this file in Usenet.
http://isohunt.com/download/24764465/The+War+On+Democracy+2007
The intervention of the United States in chilean politics to defeat Salvador Allende’s government are a fact. I haven’t see this documentary yet, but i don’t belive that recognize a mistake is an anti-american attitude. All depends of the film maker’s point of view.
Awesome. This looks to be much more entertaining then that zeitgiest rubbish.
So many uneducated, brainwashed AmeriKKKans here. What do you expect from idiots who think Hussein had WMD’s, bombed the WTC, and who think that Chavez is a dictator when he’s the only leader that puts virtually all major decisions to a referendum to be voted on by the people and actually sticks to the results!
You idiot Chavez haters without a damn brain should realise that every election has been monitored by foreign observers and NOTHING wrong has been found! In Venezuela, almost all media is owned by the previous rulers and they just agitate 24 hrs a day for the overthrow of Chavez, yet for years Chavez tolerated this as free speech! Think how long a TV station in the west would keep its licence if it agitated for the violent overthrow and assassination of the elected government! My guess is it wouldn’t last long at all, yet Chavez has tolerated it for years, just warning the stations not to be inflamatory. Only now he finally started, rightly, to act against such irresponsible stations.
Furthermore, Chavez lost a referendum recently, and has abided by the results. What ‘dictator’ would do this? In fact, France had a referendum on the EU treaty which the people voted against, yet just a couple years later, the French government signed the treaty anyway! So much for western ‘democracy’ where they give you a feeling of empowerment yet do whatever they want anyway.
As for the documentary, thanks Mr X, Pilger is a great journalist, of course he has an agenda, laughable how idiots here shriek that it is ‘left-wing propaganda’ when the deadbeats don’t realise that virtually everything else they see is right-wing propaganda!
All documentaries on channels like Discovery, National Geographic and even Discovery Science are carefully selected to pitch the ‘USA is great’ message. Just look at all the Gulf War 1 glorifying, constant shows on how great US aircraft, weapons, tanks are, how successful the US is against Iraq(again, mention usually about 1991 or at most the ’shock and awe’ 2003 bit, conveniently forgets the rest) etc.
Stop watching Bill O’Reilly and use your brains!
Americans – please remember, our government officials are NOT our country. I question the officials, I doubt their motives, I suspect them of conspiring to destroy the Constitution, I notice the illicit activities they undertake in other countries – because I LOVE America. Sticking your head up your rear-end and immediately dismissing any viewpoint that is critical of our “leaders” as “anti-American stupid dummies” you ought to pay attention to what these “leaders” are doing to the country your children will inhabit. (remember – they’re supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS – they are supposed to work for US)
And p.s. – our “leaders” aren’t gonna come clean about all the nasty things they do, so it’s up to US to keep an eye on them. I’m sure y’all have nice comfortable middle-class lives, but if you’re a citizen of this country, and ESPECIALLY if you have kids, it’s your RESPONSIBILITY AS AN AMERICAN to make sure they don’t inherit a giant bankrupt dictatorship run by whomever has the most money.
P.S. All you Europeans, South and Central Americans, etc., would do well to realize that the U.S. is not a monolith – there is a strong and very aware section of the population of the U.S. who pay attention to what’s going on and don’t just blindly salute the “leaders” – but, just like in your countries, most citizens don’t pay attention and just want to ignore the problems.
P.S.S. – and corporations that started here are now multi-national – they’re not American anymore, and they’re buying YOUR countries the same as they’ve bought ours.
@ American
Well put. Yes indeed the US is not a monolith. In fact some of the biggest critics of the US are from the US itself! But as we can see by the knee-jerk reactions of so many, you only need to mildly critique the US and all the fanatics crawl out of the woodwork screaming ‘communist’ and ‘anti-american’, without adressing a single point.
Yeah these companies are multinational indeed. It’s actually becoming like in those cyberpunk films where corporations own governments and have their own private armies. Funny that Paul Verhoeven, director of Robocop saw this coming back in 1986 when he made that satirical action film.
“the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the worlds elite.”
You just figured out that the soldiers risking their lives are doing it for the corporate elite? just don’t tell them that, cus well, they’ll go postal on your a$$. i guess its a slow day for every hick that tries to spell his name with cheerios. ahyuck!
I’ve seen this. It’s the biggest “mockumentary” since This is Spinal Tap. I’ve got no problem with people having a political viewpoint, one way or the other. But when you start just making things up out of thin air, it gets a bit ridiculous.
I have a good deal of time for Chavez and Fidel although I do wish Snr Chavez would realise that personality cult leadership is so 20th century. But if anyone doubts the level of Venezualian democracy, they would be wise to remember that when the ruling party held a referendum and didn’t get their two thirds result, they accepted it. They didn’t pretend they had got the vote or otherwise corrupt the election.
Unlike recent amerikan elections they didn’t disenfranchise one sector of the community who they knew would vote against them.
eg Florida and Ohio where african amerikans were turned away from the polling booths on beat up accusations of being a felon. There are a number of surnames which have been adopted by disproportionate numbers of african amerikans eg Jefferson. Any african amerikan with one of those surnames was turned away by republican scrutineers in polling booths in republican controlled states such as Florida or Ohio. Later when those disenfranchised got their day in court it transpired the lists of felons were totally inaccurate. Oh what a pity it is too late to fix this the election is over.
Amerika is moving back to the old pre civil rights system of denying aftican amerikans the vote. This is the home of democracy?
That said I can’t help but notice the number of posts attacking amerikan imperialism from english, australian and canadian contributors who appear to have forgotten their soldiers are in Iraq and or Afghanistan killing unwhite humans in order to secure whitefella hegemony over ME oil supplies too. I find their criticism of amerikans a bit rich since their countries are at it too. You need to sort out yer own fat old white men who want to rule the world before you tell others to deal to theirs.
“the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the world’s elite.”
as opposed to…?
“the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the altruism and sympathy of the world’s homeless.”
Do you REALLY need a documentary to tell you that water is wet? Anybody with 2 functioning brain cells already knows. The rest are patriot hicks. My solution is to multiply the amount of deadly ingredients in fast food to the point where they spontaneously burst into a chemical fire and take out half the neighbourhood… oh wait… that’s in progress already…
@Dad Burn
You spelled American wrong. There is a “c” in that word, not a “k”.
@ #74
The colored people in the US have just an equal chance to vote as everyone else, that issue was solved many years ago. Don’t try to stir up trouble with your conspiracy theories.
Had the African tribes in the 16th century been strong enough to fight for their lives, they wouldn’t even have been caught by slave traders and brought to the new world. But no, they were too busy in the jungle with spears and war dances instead of designing a gun to kill their enemies. Why were they so developmentally challenged?
Oh well, at least we treat them as equals now.
You can only talk about Chavez if you live or have lived in Venezuela.
It is the first chosen dictatorship I know of. Did you know that if you’ve registered a few years back against Chavez you were automatically disqualified from obtaining a job at PDVSA or any other government organization? Did you know that a lot of doctors coming from university can not do their jobs because ‘free’ doctors from Cuba are doing it for them instead? Do you know that there are restrictions on money transfers (unless you have a permit) which effectively blocks any international trade for small businesses? I can go on of course.
Of course, he has done good things too, however as his intentions are probably honest, he is surrounded by heel-lickers that do anything to please him while not having the best of the country in mind. Because he is putting time in projects that will not matter in the long run (as most of his projects are failing or bound to fail sooner than later) the net result will be no change for the ordinary Venezuelan. He should instead look towards the Gulf states and places like Singapore or in some respect Japan and China, where through proper state planning/sponsorship the countries became a success. He certainly has the money for it.
Of course if he raises the gasoline price to normal non-subsidized levels, the people would rise up and overthrow him.
Having said all that, I rather have Chavez as a president than Bush. At least you know what you’ve got with Chavez, with Bush you never know. Of the two, Bush is much more dangerous.
@74 “Amerika is moving back to the old pre civil rights system of denying aftican amerikans the vote. This is the home of democracy?”
What ethnic persuasion is Barak Obama? Seems that America isn’t as racist as some think.
Everyone hates the player.
@Johnny
That is silly to say that you do not know what you will get with President Bush.
The guy may be many things, but he certainly does not waver on his idealogy at all. If anything, he may be too headstrong with his positions on issues. He told everyone in 2001 that he was going after terrorists, and despite the American polls and the American news stories and his party member losing elections, he continues the terrorism war that he promised in 2001.
That is not someone who you “don’t know what you will get”, that is someone who is principled and complete in their resolve.
@ Johnny
Don’t post selective ‘facts’ without putting them in context. Chavez told the oil workers not to strike as it would be damaging to the nation, and said that anyone striking would lose their jobs. He tried to meet their demands, but the owners of the oil refineries wanted to topple Chavez and return to power so they ordered the workers to not work, expecting Chavez to not have any skilled replacements to run the oil plants.
Chavez quickly imported technicians and trained up a new generation of oil workers to replace the strikers, and the strike collapsed. These traitorous scum didn’t get their jobs back and rightly so. They should go and complain to their bosses that told them to strike.
As for the doctors, well Chavez isn’t stopping them from working. What Chavez did was to get Cuban doctors in exchange for oil, to help those people who normally can’t afford doctors anyway. The fact that thousands are needed in Venezuela show that the ‘poor’ Venezuelan doctors, who now ‘can’t work’, weren’t exactly doing a very good job of keeping the nation healthy before Chavez arrived! They catered for the rich, they had no desire to help the poor for free, so that’s why Chavez got in foreign help. Don’t speak rubbish about Venezuelan doctors losing work as they would never have treated those that the Cubans are treating anyway!
@VivaChavez
How can Chavez just fire workers from oil refineries if the owners of the oil refineries have not fired them? In the US, President Bush can not just fire some men from Exxon/Mobil if he wants to, the owners of Exxon/Mobil would have to fire them.
This makes no sense.
Hehehehehehe…keep drinking the koolaid and give the sane plenty to laugh at.
Seriously watched this documentary ages ago!! DOn;t know why its been posted here anyway!!
But I’d really like some honest opinions from people in South America, and in particular frm Venezueala on this topic!!!
Uh @8. Read #2. You are obviously a victim of truth.
plikthai thnx for RS
@VivaChavez
I would be interested to hear how you view Mr. Chavez’s open political support for FARC?
Also, you keep mentioning that he bowed to the wishes of the people to disallow his attempt at a referendum to allow him “president for life”. The way I understand it the only reason why he allowed that to happen was because key members of the military would not allow him to attempt anything fancy with the vote (it being so close it would have been very easy to alter for a different outcome). Am I off on this?
Definitely give Mr. Chavez “mad props” for striving to get out from the “iron heal” of the World Bank and IMF after paying debts off (wish the USA would do that but we’re too tightly controlled by those organizations) but he gets negatives for attempting price controls to adjust inflation within Venezuela, which any student of economics would know that this doesn’t work in a capitalistic society (yes I know it’s on it’s way toward socialism, but they are seriously feeling the pains of change on that).
I would suggest that the reason why Venezuela is such an interesting case is because, much like Hong Kong, it’s a mix of socialism, communism, and capitalism…makes for some very interesting politics and discussion.
For example, communism dictates that there is not such thing as private property (as that is very capitalistic). So Venezuela (Chavez) made it legal for “community farming”…essentially people can attempt to farm on land that someone else currently/previous owned (owners can’t do anything about it…too capitalistic). This creates the difficulty of people attempting to farm land that aren’t trained for it and are…well failing miserably at it which in turn means that there is a shortage of common goods such as eggs, chicken, vegetables, etc. driving the prices higher (hence the attempt and inflation control by the Venezuelan Government).
But hold the phone! Venezuela is flush with cash from oil sales to the USA as well as other nations. So Venezuela is profiting from a capitalistic society while simultaneously condemning it and attempting changes within.
VivaChavez, I would be most interested to hear your thoughts on these ideas (because I am attempting to be opened minded about all topics and strive for an unbiased opinion…if such a thing is possible).
PS-thx for the post, Mr. X, will take a look at it later.
Venezuelan ideologies Vs. Amerikan ideologies???
..give me Chavez any day…
And to the yanks spewing anti chavez hatred, what about Pat Robertson, the “christian” who said of Chavez…
“You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.” ….
Yeah, thats right, we dont like you, so we assasinate you…simple!!You were democratically elected by your people??So what…we dont give a toss…you dont fit in with the US style of democracy….
Amerika is a fine example of Democracy to the world….a shining light to us all….yeah right….
No wonder you are not liked….
haha you people make me laugh
jealous people and apologetics that hate america
keep hating, keep spreading hate. it will lead you nowhere
sorry mate…is your name bbrain or peabrain??
No one is spreading hate bud…you reap what you sow…
Wouldn’t it be refreshing if this award winning journalist one day did an expose on someone else other than the world’s largest donor of foreign aid?
He’s never had a constructive suggestion in his life. If you were to act on his propaganda the only tool he gives you is to hate Americans. That’s not actually helpful.
Who does Pilger actually support?
pilger tells it as it is….sometimes the truth hurts…
If telling the truth about US foreign policy is “unhelpful” then so be it…what is there to like about americas meddling covert agenda ways??WAKE UP Jim!!
@Johnny… you almost had me fooled… you lost me at “or in some respect Japan and China, where through proper state planning/sponsorship the countries became a success. He certainly has the money for it.”
No country should look to China as an example… they should be ashamed.
Oh my goodness… there is a reason why the Bejing Olympics are being protested.
China has prospered by purposely devaluing their currency to keep exports growing at a ludicrous level (15%+ year-on-year growth) bulstered by dreadful child labour. If I wasn’t such a cheap-ass subprime poor person, I’d actually avoiding buying chinese products (to the extent possible!)!
ooooooo…..a debate
cool
Pilger supports greenland
It’ll be interesting to see if Mr. Pilger has delved into the US managed death squads of San Salvador and made a contemporary correlation to Iraq and A’stan.
Divide and conquer FTW!
“True Democracy being a solid 80% voter turnout in support of Chavez in over 6 elections.”
What is this nonsense supposed to mean?
80% voted in Venezuela and Chavez was re-elected, so that’s true democracy. Well 60% voted in the US and Bush was re-elected.
Assuming we are talking about registered voters, Australia has compulsory voting, so mark them down for 90% and presumably the “truest” democracy going.
They also don’t shut down opposition media outlets so they’ve got Venezuela trumped.
Jesus Christ is this VivaChavez character for real? so much ideology with so little facts, oh well Darwin’s law always takes care of people like that, if we survived Stalin’s and Pol Pot’s western supporters and idiots who cheered Eastern European communist regimes we’ll survive the current crop and their pocket-sized wannabe-dictator darlings too
and as for percentages isn’t it funny that none of these idiots mentions Saddam’s or Milosevic’s 99-104% overwhelming support any longer as a proof of just how loved they were by their respective nations
talking about 99% supports, looking forward to the day when Cubans will be truly free and not the prisoners they are now
I like this post today
it’s turning out to be hot….
what abt Chavez banging Naomi Campbell ? she says she never met a man as macho as him
at least she’ll have infinite supply of her favourite, sniff…, “product”, sniff…
by the way, I haven’t yet seen a post abt the new HBO serie In Treatment, just to see what people think abt it, i’m sick of Lost and Prison Break (still watching though) and what abt the new season of The Wire, the best show ever after Oz !! C’mon boyz there’s a lot of good stuff, better stuff, around
ciaoooo
VivaChavez
February 12th, 2008 | 07:27
@ Johnny
“Don’t post selective ‘facts’ without putting them in context. Chavez told the oil workers not to strike as it would be damaging to the nation, and said that anyone striking would lose their jobs.”
First of all, that’s not what Johnny was talking about, so he’s missed no context.
Secondly, you apparently think this “context” makes Chavez look better not worse.
Johnny was talking about the fact that if you signed the petition to recall Chavez and force another vote on his presidency — a document which was the embodiment of democracy — Chavez took all those names and had those participating in the democratic process banned from holding a job in a state-run nation.
Try offerring some context for that sunshine. Try even offerring a favourable comparison. Even a hypothetical one.
Try saying that if Bush took the names of every registered democrat who voted in the 2004 elections, banned them from holding a government job, along with anyone who went on strike,along with anyone working for a media outlet unkind to him, that would be okay and worth defending because……… ?
Write it.
This is Mr Democracy you are supposed to be defending. Can you even put him in a favourable light in comparison to Bush when it comes to democracy ?
why are you sick of new season of Lost? two episodes so far were awesome looks like a promise of a great story to me
PB lost me this season though
Stan…
you need to brush up on your facts pal…..
Bush and his cronies DID rig the 2004elections, “losing” hundreds of thousands of afro amerikans votes and using ….democracy stan??
try this link../www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen
its Rollingstone magazine….a music magazine, not a bush bashing site….your election was stolen from under your noses..and your statements reflect your total ignorance to this fact….!!Bush in a favourable light??
You sir, are a buffoon!!
lol gotta love when losers like 105 repeat again and again the nonsense about the supposedly stolen US elections, while at the same time saying not a word about the well-established FACTS regarding Chavez’s wannabe-totalitarian measures against the opposition (thank God larger and larger every day) to his stupid policies
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the prof.
February 12th, 2008 | 11:06
“Stan…
you need to brush up on your facts pal…..
Bush and his cronies DID rig the 2004elections, “losing” hundreds of thousands of afro amerikans votes and using ….democracy stan??”
You need to brush up on either your reading or comprehension “prof”. The facts you mention bear no relation to what I wrote.
The hypothetical I mentioned in relation to Bush was quite clear. It referred to taking the names of all the opposition supporters who voted against him and banning them from holding a job in a nation where most jobs are state-run.
Did Bush do this ? If he had, should his dedication to democracy (using voter rolls to purge opponents form the workforce) be applauded like it is for Chavez ?
This is what I challenged you to post. So far you haven’t been able to, or more likely, realised that you are unable to so you’ve avoided doing that.
Nonsense??stop laughing and wake up…why nonsense??FACT!!Read the link…not some conspiracy site…
Do some research, clear your head, its clearly clouded, then when you feel better come back and well debate…till then…well, you know…!!
“Chavez’s wannabe-totalitarian measures against the opposition (thank God larger and larger every day) to his stupid policies”
what actually do you mean?
Care to elaborate??
the prof. February 12th, 2008 | 11:30
“Nonsense??stop laughing and wake up…why nonsense??
Because he didn’t win the election because of those votes. Once you come to grips with that, then you are merely talking about something dodgy the Republican party did in the last 7 years.
Well thanks for posting the link, have you managed to find any porn on the internet, that’s just as hard to find.
“Chavez’s wannabe-totalitarian measures against the opposition (thank God larger and larger every day) to his stupid policies”
what actually do you mean?
Care to elaborate??”
I ELABORATED. IT IS ALREADY POSTED. READ IT. PRETENDING YOU CANNOT READ IT ISN’T GOING TO WORK.
im not interested in debating someone who is unable to understand simple sentences like
“taking the names of all the opposition supporters who voted against him and banning them from holding a job in a nation where most jobs are state-run.”
even after it was posted TWICE
yes, your darling Chavez REALLY DID DO THAT it is not US propaganda like you halfwits usually claim
trying to debate people like VivaChavez or you is WAY too time consuming and, well, pointless – brainwashed people do not respond to reasons anyway. It’s enough that we beat you at elections _every_ _single_ _time_ – and that real history of the real world is never kind to you and your “ideas” just watch what happened when Eastern Europe freed itself from communism, every nation deserves freedom and a chance to live in liberty and wealth, people are finally living their lives to the full after decades of communist bleakness and same will happen in Cuba and Venezuela once their dictators are removed
also get ready to post more silly whining links to RS articles yelling “STOLEN!!!” in November when
McCain wins the Oval Office and proceeds to help world nations free themselves from the likes of Chavez and Castro
have a nice life i hope you get rid of the delusions soon
Stan..you are splitting hairs..
Chavez allowed these people you refer to, a fair vote…
Bush underhandedly ommitted hundreds of thousands of Democrat voters(purged using racial demographics..)in states he knew he would lose in…
You chose to highlight your distain for Chavez using one argument…i show my distain for dubbya using a different argument…!!
Are you saying because Chavez allegedly did what you say and bush did not then bush is seen in a ‘favourable light when it comes to democracy”??
you see no relation??I m pointing out that if you believe Bush is to be seen in a better light than Chavez re. Democracy, then my point highlights the problem with your Highground position you take with your “Pro Democracy”mate, Georgey…stealing black, hispanic and Jewish votes by the thousand is OK, whilst your “hypothetical” allegations dont fit well with you??
How democratic …
The words Bush and democracy dont belong in the same sentence.
haha lol@the “Chavez _allegedly_ did”
so lame, it’s almost as if these people had parts of their brains surgically removed
for those still at least half-sane, go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_recall_referendum,_2004#The_Tasc.C3.B3n_List
“There was a public outcry over this violation of privacy and electoral laws, in particular by the organization Súmate, and because of reports that people who worked for the government were fired, denied work, or denied issuance of official documents because of their appearance on the list. [19] Several government officials (including Roger Capella, Minister of Health and Social Development, and Iris Varela, member of the National Assembly) confirmed that “those who signed against President Chávez would be fired because they are committing an act of terrorism”"
only a moron can support a scumbag like that
haha…amerika freeing the worlds nations…..AMEN!!
Its funny….i believe you are the brainwashed one….
Stan..
“Because he didn’t win the election because of those votes. Once you come to grips with that, then you are merely talking about something dodgy the Republican party did in the last 7 years.”
…your shameful brushing aside of your countries election rigging speaks volume…
thanks guys…
“prof.” can attempt to laugh his/her/its way out of the untenable (and unarguable) position they hold, but dozens of nations in the world are not laughing, they are rather pretty pretty aware that they in fact WERE freed with American and Western help in general. Ask Poles Czechs Hungarians, or South Koreans after WW2
also, Stan, I guess you now see it’s useless to try and get a straight answer from “prof.” and comparable characters because there IS no answer which would leave their darling dictator looking kosher and these losers know it
I am American and many of us do understand that the government strategically tries to place democracy in some countries but it serves the U.S. government better to keep some countries in chaos. The U.S. just throws that word around to give them an excuse to go do what they want.
And yes, there are a lot of dumb ass people in this country who can’t seem to see the obvious. The media here is so powerful that the less sophisticated people in the middle of the country easily get brainwashed.
@112 lol: Do you have any idea of what the American definition of terrorist is?
If you did that’s nothing in comparison.
the prof. February 12th, 2008 | 11:54
“Stan..you are splitting hairs..”
No, I’m not. If I tell you what you have written has no relationship to what I posted and then re-post what I did write, that’s not splitting hairs.
It’s just referring you to the same hair you seem absolutely determined to pretend doesn’t exist.
Bang up job on managing 2 more posts where you pretend you cannot understand the english words that were written, just because they say something you don’t want to hear about Chavez.
There are female Lance Bass fans in less denial than you.
“…your shameful brushing aside of your countries election rigging speaks volume…
thanks guys…”
Except I’ve brushed it aside because it related neither to what I was talking about, nor Chavez, a prominant “pro-democracy” figure in this documentary. There is a reason I wrote about this and not the space shuttle you nimrod.
If you raise the issue of the fired US attorneys I will brush that aside for the same reason.
You on the other hand responded to me talking about Chavez banning people from the workforce for voting against him, said I’ve got my facts wrong because you found a webpage that features neither the words “Chavez” nor “Venezuela” and since then have not even acknowledged what I referred to.
And now you’ve told me I am brushing aside the issue. FFS you muppet. Go and read some Chomsky and then it’s off to bed with you.
lol
Wiki is the best you can do??/Hardly factual now mate..
a public outcry by Sumate??
For those who dont know, Sumate is a Bush financed “NGO”, founded by Maria Corina Machado..
“Their controversial role conducting flawed exit polls during the referendum—specifically criticized by the Carter Center and OAS observation missions in Venezuela—and their subsequent rejection of the referendum results, though both the Carter Center and the OAS declared them to be free and fair, have cast doubt on Súmate’s professed “neutrality.” When asked why Súmate has worked exclusively with the Venezuelan opposition since its inception in 2002, Machado said that their overtures to the government were regularly rebuffed. She did not specify whether her presence at the swearing-in of the illegal government of Pedro Carmona during a short-lived April 2002 coup may have sullied her reputation with Chávez’s government.”
You will remember the US financed kidnapping of Chavez??
After the kidnapping, and before his release due to people power, the very same Sumate founder, as mentioned above, wasa in attendance at the illegal US backed junta’s swearing in ceremony…
Scumbags??Dictator?Hmmm….i sense you are the one with the lobotomy mate if that is the basis of your argument….a biased report from a bush backed former friend of the illegal junta??
Lift your game mate..
Stan..is your surname Cherrypicker by any chance??
this one is out since last year … released in september or so
haha, “hardly factual” ? only idiots think wiki is unreliable, clueless people who say “oh anyone can post there” well you can try and see how long your edit lasts if it is not backed by links and hard facts
also anyone with half a brain and will to find out facts can google and read both sides of the story on countless websites and then decide for themselves, i can hardly post all of the links here can i
still not a word on Chavez’s way of referring to people who SIGN petitions as “terrorists” eh, figures
http://www.tvscoop.tv/2007/08/war_on_democrac.html
Premiered on the 20th of August 2007 on ITV1 [UK]
Its not anti-USAmerican, its historical fact.
As is this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4789060.stm
@121 .. Wikipedia contains lots of factual inaccuracies. Thats fact
lol @ calling Pilger’s fantasy historical fact
Now THIS is a historical fact.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7124564.stm
if you are aware of “inaccuracies” i suggest you stop moaning about it and go on there and edit the article stating reasons and links to what in your opinion are the facts, that’s how it’s supposed to work. let’s see if you can convince others that your side of the story is “accurate”
Wikipedia is dedicated to the truth and even if they usually have a leftwing slant on things in my opinion, they’re always an excellent place to start
lol… Chavez lost a democratic refrendum on constitutional change. He did not lose two democratic general elections.
Despite an attempted military coup
Thats fact.
@125 .. I do edit the many factual inaccuracies on wikipeado.
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that’s good Guido so you know that in the finaly analysis Wiki way DOES work, and the thing about Chavez’s shameful (completely Stalin-like) way of intimidating people who were brave enough to challenge him for that recall is factual
More on Sumate….factual of course..
Groups like Súmate, the NED, USAID, Development Alternatives Incorporated (the consulting firm distributing US-beneficence in Venezuela) are not so much interested in promoting democracy—if they were they’d be more impressed by the nine elections Chávez has won in the past six years—as they are in promoting a particular limited form of democracy that dovetails nicely with capitalist globalization—what William Robinson calls “low-intensity democracy.”
In a forthcoming interview with Venezuelanalysis.com, Robinson states it plainly: “This is a full-blown operation, a massive foreign-policy operation to undermine the Venezuelan revolution, to overthrow the government of Hugo Chávez, and to reinstall the elite back in power in Venezuela.” “‘Democracy promotion’ will continue unhindered,” says Robinson, “and if the chance and the opportunity arises for…Venezuela to be isolated by international organizations such as the Organization of American States (OAS), the United Nations, and so forth, then the US will go ahead and promote that type of diplomatic aggression.”
Is Machado launching a presidential bid backed and organized, like her ideological predecessors Aquino and Chamorro, by Washington? Maybe. But a more likely scenario in the short-term is the Súmate-led formation of a Venezuelan civic alliance, a key component of any anti-Chávez strategy hiding behind the cynical rhetoric of democracy.
sounds like you guys to me…remember, venezuela is a democracy boys…in the true sense,not the US sense…
awfull film,don’t waste your traffic.
nothing new in this movie/documentary, but still interesting.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363510/
@100
Hi guys, i’m from italy so sorry for my english.. Stan… in Italy 51% voted for Prodi .. he was elected and now after 18 months we have to vote again because it didn’t work out (and now we have to pay about 50bln € for this votation)
Democracy is a strange thing…
You guys call this brainwashing? Surely you’ve never watched Fox News, then.
Many conspiracy theories aren’t true, of course, but it’s 100% certain that the US has fed right-wing military dictators into Latin America during the mid-late 20th century to counter the leftist tendency that was rising here, even if it was mostly made of legitimate democratic governments, not communist ones. That period of time has dented my life (I’m brazilian) and will still affect a few generations to come, but I don’t hold a grudge against the americans, because it’s past history already. But now they’re making the same mistake elsewhere and then, unfortunately, it’s only natural that anti-americanism spreads around the world like forest fire. It’s a shame, but that’s the way it goes.
I’m curious where this democracy is that is being warred upon. To the best of my knowledge there is not a single true democracy currently anywhere in the world. And with good reason, pure democracy is a Very Bad Thing ™. To use the old chestnut “Democracy is three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner”.
Since the United States is a Representative Republic and not, by any remote stretch of the imagination or anyone’s intention, a democracy, I can safely assume that this has nothing to do with the US. So where is this democracy that is being warred upon?
For what it’s worth, pedantry is way more fun (and, when faced with so much concentrated ignorance, so easy) than tinfoil hat selling, you really should try it.
This is new for Americans ONLY, just read some works from Latin American sociologist from 50’s and 60’s
The problem here is that everyone is comparing country to country, as if those geographical designations made discrete units.
The REAL division is the world is between the wealthy and the poor – it’s the wealthy that want us to line up behind them in terms of nationality/political system. They’re the ones who want us to go to war against one another to further their own agenda. THEY’RE the ones who want use blindly saluting and beating our chests and publicly praising the virtues of our nation. In reality, the only thing that separates nations is their size. China isn’t much different from the U.S. really – it’s run by a select few who hold the most power and compel the rest of the poorer people in the country to be “patriotic” enough to do things that, ultimately, are NOT in their own best interests. Meanwhile, enough income trickles down to create a middle-class who have enough to be comfortable and extremely protective of the system (they believe) has allowed them to lead comfortable lives. In our own countries, they’re keeping us from organizing by allowing a small percentage of us to be prosperous. Globally, they keep us from organizing by feeding the fires of “patriotism” and convincing us that our enemies are all in different countries.
our TRUE enemies are our so-called leaders.
Barack obama
Thanks Mr X
Don’t mind these little pricks, they have no idea what the hell they are talking about, don’t read if you don’t like idiots, go find another site.
Again thanks for pointing out this wonderfull video. I found a link on piratebay.
Sometimes when I need a laugh I come to RL look for a movie with a lot of comments and read them, Thanks RL
> remember, venezuela is a democracy boys…in the true
> sense,not the US sense…
And how would the US get closer to this true democracy that Venezeula has?
Presumably having the head of state stage a coup to take power then engage in suppression of media, populist pandering, punishment of political opponents and trying to remove term limits to allow a president-for-life situation would all be desirable measures for Bush to pursue towards this “true democracy”.
Not even you believe what you are writing, otherwise you would at least attempt to defend it. Your avoidance of issues like this which people raise with you is a little obvious.
AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
when are they gonna release something good, it’s been a while now since something good has come out or the release scene.
Fact: U.S. has it’s own agenda regarding foreign policy (comply with its interests or else…) and has steamrolled over any country/political system that doesn’t play ball and continues to do so to this day! The awareness of this fact is spreading fast around the world and creating dangerous extremist positions that put democracy at risk everywhere. I don´t envision a very nice future for our children…
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don’t have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.
not much off toppic:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm
My fellow merkins….if you watch this movie you are supporting t’rrrrrrism. And if you pirate movies, my friend in the MPAA says you are supporting t’rrrrrrrism too. So if you pirate this movie, I say that my good ol’ boys at the CIA can kidnap you from your own countries and imprison you without right to a lawyer in a country of my choice. Which they do in fact do already. YEEEE-HAAAAAWWWW!!!!!
Well i for one am British & damn proud of it.
Who wouldn’t love a life of quaffing Bollinger, being entertained by the Neanderthal underclass on the Jeremy kyle show during weekdays and living a rather spectacular life living of the taxes of lower & middle classes. Do you think they have time to see the truth?
Keep these commie pinko’s out of my country
Boring. When the hell is “There Will Be Blood” going to come out on DVD????????????????
juano
find it under the there will be blood section
For all those whinny noobs who keep asking when a DVD rip of There Will Be Blood http://videoeta.com/movie.html?via=form&id=96067
Sometime in March – so shut up already !!
Liberals and their whacko-lib rhetoric = comedy for us sane people.
Confucius says without knowledge on both sides one can not have greater understanding. Open your eyes to the suffering of the world and find out whom really controls the economy. CIA’s have always sent out propaganda even before the Vietnam war. Kennedy was against these covert operations and assassinated because of his views on shutting down clandestine operations. My father was approached by CIA officers during the Vietnam WAR, in Saigon. White guys with hawaiian Shirts on speaking fluent Vietnamese, wanting to know if he would go to the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs to be a pilot. I still have pics and proof.
That being said, impeach Bush and Cheney and all their cronies.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Terrorstorm the movie by Alex Jones.
Obama for your Mama 08. Vote people!!!!
Peace, Love, and Red wine.
@buddha
Totally agree with you. My father was abducted by aliens in the late 50’s, and these were not the typical green men in a spaceship aliens. No, they were wearing suits and hung out in jazz bars. As it turns out, the aliens were working for the CIA.
Once they abducted my father, they asked him to join their anti-communism forces, and of course my father told them he would not. This just goes to show that you never know who is working with this American government.
For these reasons, I believe we should impeach Bush and the oil companies. Space aliens need oil too, and we are not being fair to them.
Let us not forget during Hurricane Katrina that the “evil” Dictator Castro offered to send their own doctors and help to the people of New Orleans before FEMA even went there to investigate. Once Bush and “way to go Brownie” realize what a disaster it was they finally sent help a week later.
Who are the real terrorist in Iraq now? You can not take over a Country and think there will not be any civilian and military casualties. The US needs to pull out all of our troops and let the civil war over there create there own Government. But WAIT, that would mean Halliburton which Cheney still gets a paycheck from, does not make ammunition and supplies for the troops so that they can charge the US Tax payers Billions a month. Cheney and is creating generational wealth from this WAR. But yet kids and families go hungry every day without proper health care and food. And people are losing their homes thanks to Greedy Corporations.
My poverty stricken .02cents worth less than a penny to the Euro…
@buddha
Just wanted to let you know that as an American, I can confirm that there are no kids or families going hungry without proper health care and food in the US. We have social programs in place for the poor, including both food stamps and Medicare. These programs feed the poor and supply medical care for the poor. Things are fine for the poor in the US.
Just wanted to correct you on that point.
May i recommend the following link for those who don’t know..
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
At Adonis, medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US. Foreclosures are on the rise. We had a surplus when Clinton left the office that we could afford to give more money to the welfare system. Now we are trillions of dollars in debt to the WAR.
At Ankle, good one mate.
Nguyen Ai Quoc “Ho Chi Minh” actually asked the US government, President Truman for help to kick the French out of Vietnam. However, since the French were Allies to the US, Truman said sorry no Thanks. So who did he turn to? Russia, where Ho Chi Minh went to University to learn Communism. On paper communism sounds better to a poverty stricken farmer than does “democracy”. Well, we all know how that WAR ended, thousands of US lives and millions of Vietnamese lives lost. But wait, wow the US mission to Free the world of Communism really did not affect the US at all. Now, most of your goods are being manufactured in Vietnam. Communism was just the vehicle that Ho Chi Minh used to get the oppressors out of their country. Much the same way as Bush uses terrorism to get the US to back his own agendas. False flags and propaganda is the way of the US…Wake up and see where your “shrinking dollars” are used.
Did you know the majority of Oil that we use is actually coming from Texas. Exxon made Billions of dollars in “profit” in one quarter yet we pay over $3 dollars per gallon. Ask yourself why? Is it supply versus demand? http://www.cnbc.com not a news site but a business site.
Sincerely,
Smelling the coffee. Buddha
BTW, sorry to be off topic and forgive me. This movie is great and so is “Sicko”. I do choose to get information from all sides so I can make an educated decision based on all points of views. I wish everyone to be more open minded and would watch more movies like this and thank you Releaselog for posting movies from all genres. Nice debating.
Forever suffering. Buddha
@buddha
So do you actually hate America, or do you just hate the Bush administration? Because you say that even in 60’s under a Democrat administration, you hated what America was doing, so I am not sure if you hate Republicans or you hate the US in general.
Shetty propaganda, you blatant agenda monkey, Mrs.x.
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Being an Old Fart and thank goodness there are some of us around….. I’m able give testimony that this movie actually talks about the real facts… I still remember much of what is referenced …. Anybody claiming Anti-American issues is just ill informed or has a preconceived position to protect.. This movie is not anti-American its anti bad behavior..!!! I was lucky to live in a country where the news less bent and twisted to fit positions taken. South/central America has been devastated by many years of US bad behavior. Thank goodness the US Nasties have nowhere to hide anymore they have so much to answer for. The people of the US can’t believe the atrocities perpetrated in their name by their own government… but that doesn’t make it so… these awful things did indeed happen and sadly we need to talk about them so they don’t happen again……
remember: You can’t wall in freedom or it goes away
@ Tony-
Hate is such a bad word. I dislike the Bush administration and their agenda. As for the Democratic system in the 60’s, I do not think, if Kennedy were alive we would have went to WAR in Vietnam. If you want me to Hate something, I think i hate War machines thinly Veiled as terrorism. Nothing gets people worked up as to fear that the democracy and freedom is intruded upon. However, with this fear and control of our big Government we are even more sheltered and isolated from other Countries. I think Diplomacy is a way to work out our differences. Not through War and pressure. When Mccain sang Bomb, bomb Iran, that is evidence that the US Government (Republicans) want to continue world dominance through WAR. Whatever, happened to being apart of the UN and getting Countries to work with another through Dialogue and not force. It is like the playground bully that picks on the kid that is different and forces him to do things his way only.
Just Sad,
Buddha…
Thanks to all who posted links for this documentary. Pilger is a true journalist. Many young people here probably have never been exposed to such a person.
I recommend another film of his called “Palestine Is Still the Issue” (2002)
I agree with the comments by VivaChavez. Your intelligent comments stand out from the rest of the bilge here.
@8
Mr.X posted this because people were talking about it on IRC. So please know this before you accuse him of picking this release because of any inclination towards the ideas in it.
Any way, the content in this documentary is not something new, people have known about the U.S.’s involvement in South America for a long time now.
no i posted this a day late from pre because i was looking for the p2p link but there are none ! leak this someone
We must cut and run in Iraq. We might lose more soldiers against the muslims and we don’t want to win because then Bush will look good. Also, it is expenseive to have a war, and that is money we could be giving away to people who refuse to work.
Plus, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, so that the poor can get more free stuff. By the way, wealthy is anyone single and over $45,000/yr.
Thanks for your time.
Reminds me of 1984, all the doublethink in today’s world.
As much as I hate the republicans, I have to take exception with this praise of Chavez democracy and the statistics supporting it wherein among other problems, opposition media outlets are banned. Kim Jong Il claims 99% of voters, therefore he must be the most democratic head of state in history. EU courts have just last week awarded American oil companies billions in Venezuelan assets for Chavez democratic acts. This “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” philosophy should be obviously flawed to such eager critics of American foreign policy.
I find it funny how the right wing nutjobs here make every critic seem as either anti-american, terrorist or left wing conspiracy wacko’s.
Everything that has been discussed in this docu is factually true, don’t believe it? Do some research. (or use your brain when you find the time to turn off the Fox propaganda)
What it all comes down to, those who have power (the rich elite minority) do not want to share it’s power and wealth with those who have nothing, because their power and wealth can only exist when there are poor people to exploit.
Because of this they will do everything to maintain ,or even increase, their power and wealth.
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@Terry
I also find it funny that the left wing liberals here make every critic seem as either the rich elite, religious extremeist or right wing conspiracy wacko’s.
What it all comes down to, those who have nothing (the poor) always want to share any power and wealth that has been earned by others, because their ability to gain any power and wealth without working for it can only exist when there are wealthy people to steal it from.
G@wain
February 12th, 2008 | 03:03
@8sorry
Dude if you want to be stupid enough to be brainwashed by a post of Mr.X or any Mr.X for that matter then indeed you are stupid. @sorry i’m sorry but i’m not do not speak for everyone speak for yourself.
And something else when you are talking about anti-americans you are talking about the whole world you know why ?? because american kids learn from school that america is the ”greeeaatest naaation of the woooorld” and in three to four american movies you will hear that line, the 1st syndrome like here in rlslog if you post ”1st!!!” you’ll probably have about ten comments for you calling you as.shole
Now to end this i believe that Americans do not exist the true Americans were leaving in the woods running with the wild life till those european Fu.ckheads or you could say american fathers killed them all and took their lands !!!!! Sorry for the off topic!:P ty.
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As a proud member of the Cherokee Nation, I would ask…no that is not right…I WILL DEMAND G@wain, that you keep your idiotic political opinions to yourself and leave me and my tribal members out of your leftist mentality rants as we neither need your help nor want your help. And the last time I looked, you were not even elected bedpan cleaner nor a member of the Tribal Council so you have no right nor ability to speak for me or anyone else in the Indian Community or Tribes.
You want to speak for yourself, then fine. Otherwise keep your f^$king mouth SHUT about my tribe or my Indian brothers!!!
Crappy quality but watchable
http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=171
Frank
February 12th, 2008 | 03:15
@G@wain
The native americans lost the wat, and that is how they lost their land. It was won fair and square by the European settlers of North America.
If the native americans would have fought back a little better, they wouldn’t have lost.
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Frank, YOU need to learn history a WHOLE lot better before you open your mouth on it again. The Black Hills of the Dakota’s were given to my brothers in a treaty signed by the President. And yet when gold was discovered…the treaty was broken and my tribal brothers were forced out of the land that was theirs by legal right. My tribe, The Cherokee; had democracy and laws and a government when your ancestors were still painting themselves blue and picking lice off their heads while living in caves in Europe! In fact, most of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights was copied after the Cherokee Articles that we used to govern ourselves with for more time then Europe had Kings.
So the next time you say that if we had fought harder..think twice and keep your mouth shut. In fact right now if we wanted to we Indians could claim every inch of land from the Western part of Ohio down to the Gulf and over to the east coast and back up to Maryland with the treaties that were signed into law by US Presidents…and there would not be a thing you could do to stop us. Dont believe it? Check with Hartford Conn, the whole downtown is claimed by an Indian tribe and nothing can be built or taxed nor sold till this is decided in a court. Yet another tribe by Buffalo NY is claiming all lands from Buffalo to Albany, from the northern part of the state to the Penn state line. And if they are successful, then New York will be cut into two states. In Oregon and Washington, my Indian brothers made the states give them back whaling rights, and the Feds upheld that decision. In every state of the Union I can go and pick up Bald Eagle feathers and have them. Yet if you even so much as get within 200 yards of a nesting set, YOU can face a $5000 fine and 10 years in prison.
We have our own laws and government and dont pay taxes on anything we buy, nor do we have to. I and my children can go to College anywhere in the US for free and each month I get a paycheck from the US Government just because I am Indian. This is rent money for the land you took.
What you dont understand is that you may have won the battles, but WE won the war.
Oh and Frank…that ALSO includes EVERYTHING west of the Mississippi to the California coast. Keep trying to piss us off and we just may force you all back into a country a little larger then the size of the original 13 colonies. And do it legally in the courts.
towenk3
February 12th, 2008 | 04:37
@34 “The native americans lost…their land. It was won fair and square by the European settlers of North America.”
Sort of like how the Palestinians lost their land, and continue to lose, “fair and square”. Right?
That’s why it’s called ‘ignor(e)’ance.
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yep, you are ignorant. The major problem with your rant is that there ARE NO Palestinians! They did not exist until well after 1949. In fact if you check with the libraries in the Arab countries, they have artifacts clearly showing that a kingdom called the “Kingdom of David” and the Kingdom of Judeah existed where Israel sits now well back to before 3500BC.
So tell me einstein, if this mythological race did exist, why no mention of them before 1949?
The Darjeeling Limited is out…
filmed in india…not red indian…!!
Dad Burn
February 12th, 2008 | 06:06
I have a good deal of time for Chavez and Fidel although I do wish Snr Chavez would realise that personality cult leadership is so 20th century. But if anyone doubts the level of Venezualian democracy, they would be wise to remember that when the ruling party held a referendum and didn’t get their two thirds result, they accepted it. They didn’t pretend they had got the vote or otherwise corrupt the election.
Unlike recent amerikan elections they didn’t disenfranchise one sector of the community who they knew would vote against them.
eg Florida and Ohio where african amerikans were turned away from the polling booths on beat up accusations of being a felon. There are a number of surnames which have been adopted by disproportionate numbers of african amerikans eg Jefferson. Any african amerikan with one of those surnames was turned away by republican scrutineers in polling booths in republican controlled states such as Florida or Ohio. Later when those disenfranchised got their day in court it transpired the lists of felons were totally inaccurate. Oh what a pity it is too late to fix this the election is over.
Amerika is moving back to the old pre civil rights system of denying aftican amerikans the vote. This is the home of democracy?
That said I can’t help but notice the number of posts attacking amerikan imperialism from english, australian and canadian contributors who appear to have forgotten their soldiers are in Iraq and or Afghanistan killing unwhite humans in order to secure whitefella hegemony over ME oil supplies too. I find their criticism of amerikans a bit rich since their countries are at it too. You need to sort out yer own fat old white men who want to rule the world before you tell others to deal to theirs.
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Dad Burn, you have to be the BIGGEST DUMBS%$T I have ever had the displeasure to read!!
For your information you ignorant loudmouth, according to the Federal Civil Rights Commission (run by Democrats by a 5 to 4 seat with the 5 being liberals and Democrats) they stated that..and I will quote slowly so as to let this sink in to that concrete block you call a head “We have found that no minority that wished to vote and was in line to vote, was denied the right to vote anywhere in the 2000 election. In fact the myth of minorities being turned away from voting booths in Ohio and Florida were exactly that. An unproven myth. In our investigation we found no evidence of this happening.” unquote. That slow enough for you bunky?? Or are you now calling the Minorities that head this federal commission “liars” because it does not fit your racist and obscene statements?
Keep it up bunky, if a democrat wins the election and the hate crimes bill that Kennedy has introduced becomes law, statements like the one you just made without any proof will get you 5 to 10 in a federal lock up.
“only the small secrets needs to be protectes, the big ones are kept secret by public incredulity”
All of you idiots posting links to rolling stone articles (#45 & 105) saying that they are “credible” should know that those writers are some of the most biased liberal douchebags on the planet. It is good to be educated on political matters, but I am so sick of all of you people acting like just because you saw a few specials on TV or read a bunch of articles that you know how everything works in the world when you really have no clue.
“We must cut and run in Iraq. We might lose more soldiers against the muslims and we don’t want to win because then Bush will look good. Also, it is expenseive to have a war, and that is money we could be giving away to people who refuse to work.
Plus, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, so that the poor can get more free stuff. By the way, wealthy is anyone single and over $45,000/yr.
Thanks for your time.”
“we don’t want to win because then Bush will look good.”
whos side are you on?? I am an American soldier and i find that statement offensive!
If we cut and run now all that has been lost will be for nothing, we need to finish what we started.
Why are you in Iraq, That is the question ?
@183 soldier:
45k wealthy? where the FUK do you live???? I make 75k and i am NOT wealthy, nor i presume to be middle class. Maybe if you live in Warren Ohio you are
Oh and “Bush will look good”? no matter what happens, he will NEVER look good. He IS, BY FACT, an IMBECILE.
“all that has been lost will be for nothing” You mean the thousand of Iraqi lives? the children women, families, etc you guys are killing for no reason other than oil?
Oh please cry me a river you freaking moron.
I feel sorry for people that say “if you don’t support the troops… ” Well i DON’T support the troops. They are not defending me against anything, because i am not afraid of an invisible treat created by propaganda…
Go fight your money war if you die, i won’t be sorry for you; since you choose to follow the wrong leader…
Wolfin, do you usually walk around with your head up your arse?
let’s see..hmmm. Iraq invaded a country they said they owned. We were asked to help but were told by the UN NOT to go into baghdad and remove Saddam, so we didnt (and the left as well as people like you keep bringing this up and do not bother to see that were were told NOT to do this or we would face the same sanctions) Then the UN passed resolution 1441 and it stated that Saddam was to give a complete accounting of ALL military might as well as ALL checmicals and WMD’s. IF ANY were left and were not accounted for and found later, then the US would have FULL UN AUTHORITY to go in and remove Saddam. You would know this if you bothered to read once in a while instead of just parroting the crap from the 9-11 nutcases like loose change producers and the DNC.
Saddam did not comply as you can clearly see by the finding of planes and labs and chemicals buried in the sand…items that were NOT on the list.
Since he did not comply, we did as we were authorized to do. And need I remind you bunky, the Senate voted to authorize this on the same info that Bush got from the Foreign Governments, so if you think something was done wrong…then YOU need to scream at your Senator and Congressman and not let them pass the buck as Bush could not have done this WITHOUT their permission.
Got it now child? Good! There will be a test on Tuesday on this material covered. Class dismissed.
I sorry I’m Canadian, people don’t hate us.If you watch the documentary of this thread you will actually see that the U.S. only interferes with countries that they have a stake in. Remember WW2 you were happy to sit of the sidelines selling arms to the participants making billions until you were attacked (Pearl Harbor) then you joined, so don’t give me this righteous bull crap about defending democracy. We all know there is oil in Iraq.
@Kyle find it as ridiculous as you want and put people’s desire for a fair shot at a humane existence as you want, your right wing parroting has killed your fascist party for the next 20 years. Now go stage your Ruby Ridge and let the non sociopaths fix your mess.
15% of people think they’re the wealthiest 5%, 50% of people have IQ’s below 100. Half of the afforementioned stupid can succesfully vote. Subtract %5 for the percentage of the self proclaimed wealthiest 15% who don’t measure their well being based on how many people are and how much poorer the rest of the coutry is and you have the 35% of Americans that make up the republican party.
dan, the US put Saddam in power, like you guys did not know who he was? You trained the guy!!!
My god you are so in need of information my child…
BTW, nobody authorized the US to do crap; the fact that you guys used their country as a liaison to defeat your enemy at the time, and then decided to take over for the oil and used your little “terrorist attack” to invade a country with no relation to that “attack” comes to show that you just watch FOX news my unborn little tiny child.
You have nothing to worry, we, outside the US, have plenty of reasons not to be hated at all. Oh and, people HATE your GOV, not you in particular, but then again, the majority of the people DID elect those assess in DC didn’t they? Ups NOT, can you say electoral fraud?
So, you see, it is a little more complicated that “WE RULE YOU DON’T” mentality. Then again, most people are mindless sheep.
Go pasture.. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
(Sorry for my bad english)
i have to say this is just nonsense
people grow up!! don’t you see there’s no actually venezuela, cuba or america this is just a line we mada!! we all are humans and any human came from the first human so this mean we all are brotherS how can you fight for something that people made up the world is going crazy dont you see it!!?
i mean how could you people do all of this
and americans saids”america is best greatest country in the world”
thats just stupid because the world is only one country!!!!
and if so do you know that america have North America, South america..ect..
so this mean that when people said america why they dont think on the south countries????
If you dont get any of this then:
WHAT IS HAPPINESS FOR YOU??
(WITHOUT MENTION ANY MATERIAL STUFF)
The.War.On.Democracy.2007.DVDRip.XviD-NOsegmenT
http://www.eatlime.com/download.lc?sid=4E8F2D7B-FB71-53E0-1116-6BE6BD871182
OR
http://adrive.com/public/2ec9f4d3871cdb2ac76f113bcc93dfdafa34d5f17cc36091020ae6426a71beab.html
thanks for the adrive link baha.
For anyone who didn’t get the subtitles, they are very much needed to watch this film, here ya go.
The.War.On.Democracy.2007.DVDRip.XviD-NOsegment-subs
http://mihd.net/g3ekif
I dont like Mr X either, quite frankly hes brainless, but if you are too lazy to type http://www.piratebay.org and then type “the war on democracy” followed by 2 clicks; then the only stupid one is you.
@many
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/incarceration/
the statistics shown there mean there’s something very wrong somewhere. fact is, there is no clear line between good and bad… good in one setting may very well be bad in another… one thing we western people should consider is that we cannot project our christian democracies on other cultures, whether true democratic or corporate ruled…