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The War On Democracy 2007 DVDRip XviD-NOsegmenT

A well rated Documentary appears on the scene thanks to mostly TV group NOsegmenT. The film has 8.3/10 with 259 votes. The film exposes the true nature of the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the worlds elite. Interviews with ex-CIA agents were videoed which provide credible evidence that supports that the US gov. took part in secret campaigns to overthrow democratic governments. The film is set both in Latin America and the United States, and explores the historic and current relationship of Washington with countries such as Venezuela, Bolivia and Chile. You should grab this if you are into history, politics, current events or conspiracy. Note: this release has not leaked out to p2p yet. Until then no NFOs, snaps, or details.

Award winning journalist John Pilger examines the role of Washington in America’s manipulation of Latin American politics during the last 50 years leading up to the struggle by ordinary people to free themselves from poverty and racism. Since the mid 19th Century Latin America has been the ‘backyard’ of the US, a collection of mostly vassal states whose compliant and often brutal regimes have reinforced the ‘invisibility’ of their majority peoples. The film reveals similar CIA policies to be continuing in Iraq, Iran and Lebanon. The rise of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez despite ongoing Washington backed efforts to unseat him in spite of his overwhelming mass popularity, is democratic in a way that we have forgotten or abandoned in the west. True Democracy being a solid 80% voter turnout in support of Chavez in over 6 elections.

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  1. miles
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:10

    looks interesting, will give this one a shot

  2. Mr Right
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:12

    This will make American’s head explode so they better not watch it.

  3. Levelred
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:13

    @2 well the lemmings’ head.. not the free thinkers

  4. number2
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:14

    there aint no prison break this week???
    coz i checked the air date it says 18 of feb for ep12

  5. hexonxonx
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:15

    @3 are there any?

  6. blank
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:19

    very nice post. thanks

  7. pink_taco_luver
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:20

    this has been out on torrent sites since September of last year

    http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3780383/John_Pilger_-_The_War_On_Democracy_-_2007

  8. sorry
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:23

    as usual Mr. X picks and chooses what he likes to try to brainwash into making us anti-americans. of course he will get a release that is months old, he just dishes out what he likes, not a credible editor in my opinion.

  9. kdik
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:27

    Very well made documentary!!! Worth watching.

  10. February 12th, 2008 | 02:28

    #8
    OMG HOW DID YOU NO THAT !?

  11. DeX
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:28

    Rapidshare anyone?

  12. l.y
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:29

    The film exposes the true nature of the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the worlds elite.

    its ok when they do it

    screw all governments

    @8 what kind of drugs are you on mr president

    F*CK ALL ESTABLISHMENT

  13. Gaius
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:30

    I’d like to point out that while Mr. X seems to be very keen on trumpeting the right to free speech and makes fun of the blatant disregard for civil rights in a lot of countries, he censors a lot of a bad stuff said about him. Just like he’ll delete a bunch of these posts in a few hours….

    Oh and yes, Prison Break is on tonight. The escape finally happens on tonight’s episode.

  14. Jack
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:34

    Dont post shi1t unless you have a link to a torrent, NFO and samples!!

  15. G@wain
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:36

    Mr. X ?? NICE ONE DUDE !!!! i watched it about 3 months ago :P but nice all the same and @2 Mr Right the effects of all this are existent in the whole world dude !!! type in
    .cell phone mind control. and see what you get!! :P

  16. jazda
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:36

    omg, you ares o slowly :\

  17. Argonaut
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:36

    All fake things:

    Space aliens harbored by Air Force at Area 51,

    Government blowing up Building 7 of the WTC,

    CIA assassinating President Kennedy.

    And 80% voter turnout for Chavez is nothing, what about 100% voter turnout for Castro every election?? That is True Democracy!

  18. Michael Collins
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:41

    The American government is just a tool of multinational corporations. American President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against bowing to the military-industrial complex in 1961. Apparently, no one listened. And those of you who think it can’t happen to your government, think again, it probably already has. But it’s better for business if you stick your heads in the sand and blame the evil Amerikans. All Glory to Global Corporate fascism!!!

  19. GWBusch
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:44

    @8
    How is allowing people access to more information, anti-American?

    It’s actually anti-American and un-American when you have no other choice of information, other than what the ones in charge want you to have.

    It’s better to have more information and come up with your OWN decisions, than to be GIVEN only one side which results in someone else deciding for you.

    The more times a Lie is repeated, the more it becomes the Truth.

  20. V
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:45

    @ pink_taco_luver: That’s a P2P release, not a scene release. Maybe you’ll do everyone a favor by looking at this blog’s title. Thanks.

    Now regarding the movie: I’m really excited for it, I’m glad there’s a new documentary about this subject.

  21. buttzilla
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:48

    Only idiots would believe this. And it seems the world has many.

  22. unhappy
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:50

    @Michael Collins

    Unless you happen to work for a defense contractor. Then life is great because you get paid well and you are keeping America safe from muslim radicals.

    I love my job.

  23. lolz
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:50

    @8

    I lol’d /pat

  24. buttzilla
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:51

    Oh it’s well rated by a whole 260people at IMDB out of 6 billion worldwide. IMDB ratings mean crap.

  25. !
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:59

    you morons this video is pretty credible, all you want to be democrats and republicans need to get a tube shove up your arses,you guys are too ignorent to realize what going on then b*tch about gas prices like yelling is going to change something, good sh*t mr. x, mad props

  26. Michael Collins
    February 12th, 2008 | 02:59

    @22 unhappy

    Agreed! If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em :-)

  27. art vandelay
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:00

    No thanks. I don’t partake in socialist propaganda.

  28. l.y
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:02

    governments could not run without corporate finances
    paid for by wonkers
    ran by wonkers

    please dont take this comment off mr x like you did with my last comment

    only trying to help

  29. February 12th, 2008 | 03:02

    and the trolls comment in waves…

  30. G@wain
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:03

    @8sorry
    Dude if you want to be stupid enough to be brainwashed by a post of Mr.X or any Mr.X for that matter then indeed you are stupid. @sorry i’m sorry but i’m not do not speak for everyone speak for yourself.
    And something else when you are talking about anti-americans you are talking about the whole world you know why ?? because american kids learn from school that america is the ”greeeaatest naaation of the woooorld” and in three to four american movies you will hear that line, the 1st syndrome like here in rlslog if you post ”1st!!!” you’ll probably have about ten comments for you calling you as.shole
    Now to end this i believe that Americans do not exist the true Americans were leaving in the woods running with the wild life till those european Fu.ckheads or you could say american fathers killed them all and took their lands !!!!! Sorry for the off topic!:P ty.

  31. Wankstar
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:10

    http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

    For those who like conspiracy-theory … i call it the truth :) .

  32. l.y
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:12

    @30 yeah we did the same to aboriginals and the irish as well as many others,but dont blame the europeans,blame the ruling classes
    i’d never take land off my brothers and sisters

  33. lol
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:14

    never knew there were so many idiots around :)

  34. Frank
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:15

    @G@wain

    The native americans lost the wat, and that is how they lost their land. It was won fair and square by the European settlers of North America.

    If the native americans would have fought back a little better, they wouldn’t have lost.

  35. fartbreath
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:17

    more anti american crap

  36. lol
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:18

    @30 hey buddy you know who says America is the greatest nation? those hundreds of thousands who vote with their feet and do anything they can to go there, not to Venezuela or Cuba, despite all the mumbo jumbo you commie losers spread nobody seems convinced enough to ACTUALLY go live in one of those red hellholes you shmuck :)

  37. Timmy Toetwo
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:18

    lol at all the whackjob liberals. keep sipping the kool-aid and spouting your rediculous whacko-lib rhetoric, it’s like comedy for us sane people.

  38. school_bus
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:20
  39. lol
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:21

    meh it basically deserves no response, it’s just that you can’t help being amused at all the brainwashed idiocy coming from these *insert-any-antiwestern-ideology*-supporting types

    like this idiot Pilger, he makes this POS film, and then people of Venezuela say FUK U to that Stalin wannabe Chavez in a referendum :)

  40. travis bickle
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:22

    Hello, I’d just like to announce that instead of posting Rapid Share links, it would be smarter to post links to adrive or flyupload. It’s impossible for free users to download more than 100 MB at a time on RapidShare.

    In case this wasn’t OBVIOUS to you in the past, you heard it here first.

  41. eye0eye
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:22

    Prison.Break.S03E12.HDTV.XviD-XOR

  42. Harold
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:27

    @travis bickle

    Don’t be so cheap. If people post Rapidshare links, get yourself a rapidshare account and download those links. Or else don’t complain and just use Rapidshare for free.

    It will just take you a week to download the whole thing that way.

  43. Macaw
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:29

    for me it seems there’s good things and bad things on this doc, i haven’t seen it yet but it does seems like it champions chavez a bit and that doesn’t work for me.

    but, it also seems to shed some light on the usa’s direct involvement in uprisings, asasinations, etc worldwide for some time, and that’s good, anything that sheds light on a tabu like this with good evidence is very welcomed, i want to know what the people who are “governing” me are doing!

    anyway, anybody’s seen it?

  44. Hmm
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:30

    plikthai, that’s in English?

    America is bankrupt and that’s neither liberal or conservative. I’d post a chart of the dollar for the past three years but I wouldn’t want to make poor Timmy cry.

    Your conservatives are running a 400billion dollar debt his year. 2009 as well. All your income taxes will go towards paying the interest on it. You work four months of the year just to pay your taxes and not a single cent will go to a school or hospital. Those must be “liberal” to you though. More bullets right tough guy? You don’t even make those anymore either. Just really bad media, that we steal.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18137343/the_fear_factory

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18056504/truth_or_terrorism_the_real_story_behind_five_years_of_high_alerts

  45. l.y
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:32

    screw society screw governments screw liberals(whoever they are)as long as a government body can get away with torture(be it mental or physical)it will never be a free world
    cant wait for the mothership to come back for me

  46. Cap'n CHronic
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:35

    That poster is take from the “America Freedom To Fascism” poster???

  47. bobo
    February 12th, 2008 | 03:53

    Any torrents … I tried searching here and there and nothing to be found!

    If you wanna watch it and don’t mind a bit of bad quality its available on google video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148

  48. juanes
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:01

    Castro is the dictator, and Chavez is the ridiculous dictator. Is the same ideology, dangerous ideology.

    The war on democracy? The war against the democratie!!
    It is the fight of the dictatorships against the democratie.
    No pasaran!! They will not win.

  49. rqqt
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:18

    Good movie, recommended.

    It’s pretty old. I think you could get it on chmoskytorrents since 07, or maybe earlier.

    The fat CIA guy (talking about Chile as i recall) is pretty interesting. No wonder nobody likes americans.

  50. plikthai
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:21
  51. Thomas Moore
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:23

    @rqqt

    Are you crazy??

    Everyone loves Americans, we invented the internet for God sakes!

  52. OrthodoxAthiest
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:34

    It is a testament to how stupid a *minority* of Americans are that they see true journalism and attempted transparency for government as “anti-american”. A free and open society is the most democratic possible, and that is what such documentaries are attempting to create.

    As a Brit’ in the U.S., I can testify that there are many ‘free thinkers’… they just don’t get as much airtime in Europe as it isn’t as entertaining as the Rednecks driving-over then eating possums, or the trash who want their five minutes of fame on Jerry Springer.

    Finally… let us not correlate high voter turnout with democracy. In many of the world’s most democratic countries voters are disinterested politically, or happy with the status quo, and thus do not vote. In most high-turnout elections (admittedly mostly in African countries), voters are beaten or threatened and told how to vote.

    Must admit though… I kinda like Chavez though! :D It’s hard not to appreciate anyone using oil revenues to fund welfare, and who promotes the reading of Noam Chomsky. :D

    my $0.02.

    p.s. lets try to avoid having every African RLSLog reader flame me… you know the countries I’m refering too! :|

  53. Rohit
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:34

    Looks promising, and to all the close minded Americans, stfu and don’t post if you have nothing good to post about the release.

    For all those who like to learn the truth and get a broader view of this spectrum check out “Terrorstorm” and other films by Alex Jones. And Zeitgeist, even better.

  54. Q
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:36

    Terrorstorm

    How the government stages false-flag events to achieve political and sociological ends.

    http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2006/terrorstorm.htm

  55. Netranger
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:37

    Its not the the Americans they don’t like, its the so called “leaders” are are *ucking murders and terrorists them selfs!
    Only hope for America is “Ron Paul”. God help us all if he doesn’t get elected.

  56. towenk3
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:37

    @34 “The native americans lost…their land. It was won fair and square by the European settlers of North America.”

    Sort of like how the Palestinians lost their land, and continue to lose, “fair and square”. Right?
    That’s why it’s called ‘ignor(e)’ance.

  57. Thomas Moore
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:39

    @Rohit

    Yea, prisonplanet.tv is a reliable source of unbiased information. Suuuuuure it is. :)

  58. upx
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:39

    Thanks! Shows like this (and the ones below) should remind us that all governments (and people with power) need to be monitored closely.
    .
    ~Unprecedented – The 2000 Presidential Election (2002, 50 min, imdb=8.0)
    ~Hacking.Democracy.WS.PDTV.XviD-SYS.avi
    ~PBS Frontline – The Tank Man (2006.TVRip.SoS).avi
    ~PBS Bill Moyer’s Journal – 2007.04.25 – Buying The War (TVRip.1h25m)

  59. RoFLCaKeS
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:40

    @ 8: “Turd”.

  60. OrthodoxAthiest
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:40

    lol @34. Frank… didn’t I see you last week on Jerry Springer. :D ::chuckle::

  61. Not Stupid
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:44

    This should go nice with my collection with Zeitgeist and America: Freedom to Fascism. Waiting on Vito, Tito or Snake.

    Note: Don’t feed the trolls.

  62. Karin
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:45

    Well, comment # 34 does have a point. The native americans did lose the battle for their land, it wasn’t like they were forced off of it or didnt get a chance to fight for it. They lost it in battles.

    Similar to the native africans who were picked up and sold into slavery. Those people also had a chance to fight off their captors, but they too lost the battle.

    History is filled with people that lost battles, don’t make the victors out to be the problem. Those that lost should have fought harder, they might have changed history.

  63. l.y
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:45

    monitored closely?
    i’d say burned at the stake

    whoever you vote for the government wins

  64. RM
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:46

    Sorry, no results found…

    Try to change the search query or search for this file in Usenet.

  65. RM
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:51
  66. badhead
    February 12th, 2008 | 04:51

    The intervention of the United States in chilean politics to defeat Salvador Allende’s government are a fact. I haven’t see this documentary yet, but i don’t belive that recognize a mistake is an anti-american attitude. All depends of the film maker’s point of view.

  67. Pooper Trooper
    February 12th, 2008 | 05:05

    Awesome. This looks to be much more entertaining then that zeitgiest rubbish.

  68. VivaChavez
    February 12th, 2008 | 05:22

    So many uneducated, brainwashed AmeriKKKans here. What do you expect from idiots who think Hussein had WMD’s, bombed the WTC, and who think that Chavez is a dictator when he’s the only leader that puts virtually all major decisions to a referendum to be voted on by the people and actually sticks to the results!

    You idiot Chavez haters without a damn brain should realise that every election has been monitored by foreign observers and NOTHING wrong has been found! In Venezuela, almost all media is owned by the previous rulers and they just agitate 24 hrs a day for the overthrow of Chavez, yet for years Chavez tolerated this as free speech! Think how long a TV station in the west would keep its licence if it agitated for the violent overthrow and assassination of the elected government! My guess is it wouldn’t last long at all, yet Chavez has tolerated it for years, just warning the stations not to be inflamatory. Only now he finally started, rightly, to act against such irresponsible stations.
    Furthermore, Chavez lost a referendum recently, and has abided by the results. What ‘dictator’ would do this? In fact, France had a referendum on the EU treaty which the people voted against, yet just a couple years later, the French government signed the treaty anyway! So much for western ‘democracy’ where they give you a feeling of empowerment yet do whatever they want anyway.

    As for the documentary, thanks Mr X, Pilger is a great journalist, of course he has an agenda, laughable how idiots here shriek that it is ‘left-wing propaganda’ when the deadbeats don’t realise that virtually everything else they see is right-wing propaganda!

    All documentaries on channels like Discovery, National Geographic and even Discovery Science are carefully selected to pitch the ‘USA is great’ message. Just look at all the Gulf War 1 glorifying, constant shows on how great US aircraft, weapons, tanks are, how successful the US is against Iraq(again, mention usually about 1991 or at most the ’shock and awe’ 2003 bit, conveniently forgets the rest) etc.

    Stop watching Bill O’Reilly and use your brains!

  69. American
    February 12th, 2008 | 05:28

    Americans – please remember, our government officials are NOT our country. I question the officials, I doubt their motives, I suspect them of conspiring to destroy the Constitution, I notice the illicit activities they undertake in other countries – because I LOVE America. Sticking your head up your rear-end and immediately dismissing any viewpoint that is critical of our “leaders” as “anti-American stupid dummies” you ought to pay attention to what these “leaders” are doing to the country your children will inhabit. (remember – they’re supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS – they are supposed to work for US)

    And p.s. – our “leaders” aren’t gonna come clean about all the nasty things they do, so it’s up to US to keep an eye on them. I’m sure y’all have nice comfortable middle-class lives, but if you’re a citizen of this country, and ESPECIALLY if you have kids, it’s your RESPONSIBILITY AS AN AMERICAN to make sure they don’t inherit a giant bankrupt dictatorship run by whomever has the most money.

    P.S. All you Europeans, South and Central Americans, etc., would do well to realize that the U.S. is not a monolith – there is a strong and very aware section of the population of the U.S. who pay attention to what’s going on and don’t just blindly salute the “leaders” – but, just like in your countries, most citizens don’t pay attention and just want to ignore the problems.

    P.S.S. – and corporations that started here are now multi-national – they’re not American anymore, and they’re buying YOUR countries the same as they’ve bought ours.

  70. VivaChavez
    February 12th, 2008 | 05:42

    @ American

    Well put. Yes indeed the US is not a monolith. In fact some of the biggest critics of the US are from the US itself! But as we can see by the knee-jerk reactions of so many, you only need to mildly critique the US and all the fanatics crawl out of the woodwork screaming ‘communist’ and ‘anti-american’, without adressing a single point.

    Yeah these companies are multinational indeed. It’s actually becoming like in those cyberpunk films where corporations own governments and have their own private armies. Funny that Paul Verhoeven, director of Robocop saw this coming back in 1986 when he made that satirical action film.

  71. a.bundy
    February 12th, 2008 | 05:44

    “the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the worlds elite.”

    You just figured out that the soldiers risking their lives are doing it for the corporate elite? just don’t tell them that, cus well, they’ll go postal on your a$$. i guess its a slow day for every hick that tries to spell his name with cheerios. ahyuck!

  72. Bob
    February 12th, 2008 | 06:01

    I’ve seen this. It’s the biggest “mockumentary” since This is Spinal Tap. I’ve got no problem with people having a political viewpoint, one way or the other. But when you start just making things up out of thin air, it gets a bit ridiculous.

  73. Dad Burn
    February 12th, 2008 | 06:06

    I have a good deal of time for Chavez and Fidel although I do wish Snr Chavez would realise that personality cult leadership is so 20th century. But if anyone doubts the level of Venezualian democracy, they would be wise to remember that when the ruling party held a referendum and didn’t get their two thirds result, they accepted it. They didn’t pretend they had got the vote or otherwise corrupt the election.

    Unlike recent amerikan elections they didn’t disenfranchise one sector of the community who they knew would vote against them.

    eg Florida and Ohio where african amerikans were turned away from the polling booths on beat up accusations of being a felon. There are a number of surnames which have been adopted by disproportionate numbers of african amerikans eg Jefferson. Any african amerikan with one of those surnames was turned away by republican scrutineers in polling booths in republican controlled states such as Florida or Ohio. Later when those disenfranchised got their day in court it transpired the lists of felons were totally inaccurate. Oh what a pity it is too late to fix this the election is over.

    Amerika is moving back to the old pre civil rights system of denying aftican amerikans the vote. This is the home of democracy?

    That said I can’t help but notice the number of posts attacking amerikan imperialism from english, australian and canadian contributors who appear to have forgotten their soldiers are in Iraq and or Afghanistan killing unwhite humans in order to secure whitefella hegemony over ME oil supplies too. I find their criticism of amerikans a bit rich since their countries are at it too. You need to sort out yer own fat old white men who want to rule the world before you tell others to deal to theirs.

  74. Atlas
    February 12th, 2008 | 06:06

    “the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the greed and power of the world’s elite.”

    as opposed to…?

    “the so-called ‘war on terror’ run by the altruism and sympathy of the world’s homeless.”

    Do you REALLY need a documentary to tell you that water is wet? Anybody with 2 functioning brain cells already knows. The rest are patriot hicks. My solution is to multiply the amount of deadly ingredients in fast food to the point where they spontaneously burst into a chemical fire and take out half the neighbourhood… oh wait… that’s in progress already…

  75. Henry
    February 12th, 2008 | 06:32

    @Dad Burn

    You spelled American wrong. There is a “c” in that word, not a “k”.

  76. hedgehog
    February 12th, 2008 | 06:36

    @ #74

    The colored people in the US have just an equal chance to vote as everyone else, that issue was solved many years ago. Don’t try to stir up trouble with your conspiracy theories.

    Had the African tribes in the 16th century been strong enough to fight for their lives, they wouldn’t even have been caught by slave traders and brought to the new world. But no, they were too busy in the jungle with spears and war dances instead of designing a gun to kill their enemies. Why were they so developmentally challenged?

    Oh well, at least we treat them as equals now.

  77. Johnny
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:05

    You can only talk about Chavez if you live or have lived in Venezuela.

    It is the first chosen dictatorship I know of. Did you know that if you’ve registered a few years back against Chavez you were automatically disqualified from obtaining a job at PDVSA or any other government organization? Did you know that a lot of doctors coming from university can not do their jobs because ‘free’ doctors from Cuba are doing it for them instead? Do you know that there are restrictions on money transfers (unless you have a permit) which effectively blocks any international trade for small businesses? I can go on of course.

    Of course, he has done good things too, however as his intentions are probably honest, he is surrounded by heel-lickers that do anything to please him while not having the best of the country in mind. Because he is putting time in projects that will not matter in the long run (as most of his projects are failing or bound to fail sooner than later) the net result will be no change for the ordinary Venezuelan. He should instead look towards the Gulf states and places like Singapore or in some respect Japan and China, where through proper state planning/sponsorship the countries became a success. He certainly has the money for it.

    Of course if he raises the gasoline price to normal non-subsidized levels, the people would rise up and overthrow him.

  78. Johnny
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:06

    Having said all that, I rather have Chavez as a president than Bush. At least you know what you’ve got with Chavez, with Bush you never know. Of the two, Bush is much more dangerous.

  79. California Uber Alles
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:06

    @74 “Amerika is moving back to the old pre civil rights system of denying aftican amerikans the vote. This is the home of democracy?”

    What ethnic persuasion is Barak Obama? Seems that America isn’t as racist as some think.

  80. buttzilla
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:12

    Everyone hates the player.

  81. Alfred
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:21

    @Johnny

    That is silly to say that you do not know what you will get with President Bush.

    The guy may be many things, but he certainly does not waver on his idealogy at all. If anything, he may be too headstrong with his positions on issues. He told everyone in 2001 that he was going after terrorists, and despite the American polls and the American news stories and his party member losing elections, he continues the terrorism war that he promised in 2001.

    That is not someone who you “don’t know what you will get”, that is someone who is principled and complete in their resolve.

  82. VivaChavez
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:27

    @ Johnny

    Don’t post selective ‘facts’ without putting them in context. Chavez told the oil workers not to strike as it would be damaging to the nation, and said that anyone striking would lose their jobs. He tried to meet their demands, but the owners of the oil refineries wanted to topple Chavez and return to power so they ordered the workers to not work, expecting Chavez to not have any skilled replacements to run the oil plants.
    Chavez quickly imported technicians and trained up a new generation of oil workers to replace the strikers, and the strike collapsed. These traitorous scum didn’t get their jobs back and rightly so. They should go and complain to their bosses that told them to strike.

    As for the doctors, well Chavez isn’t stopping them from working. What Chavez did was to get Cuban doctors in exchange for oil, to help those people who normally can’t afford doctors anyway. The fact that thousands are needed in Venezuela show that the ‘poor’ Venezuelan doctors, who now ‘can’t work’, weren’t exactly doing a very good job of keeping the nation healthy before Chavez arrived! They catered for the rich, they had no desire to help the poor for free, so that’s why Chavez got in foreign help. Don’t speak rubbish about Venezuelan doctors losing work as they would never have treated those that the Cubans are treating anyway!

  83. Henry
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:35

    @VivaChavez

    How can Chavez just fire workers from oil refineries if the owners of the oil refineries have not fired them? In the US, President Bush can not just fire some men from Exxon/Mobil if he wants to, the owners of Exxon/Mobil would have to fire them.

    This makes no sense.

  84. joe
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:36

    Hehehehehehe…keep drinking the koolaid and give the sane plenty to laugh at.

  85. Robert Clive a.k.a Johny Depp
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:37

    Seriously watched this documentary ages ago!! DOn;t know why its been posted here anyway!!

    But I’d really like some honest opinions from people in South America, and in particular frm Venezueala on this topic!!!

  86. Mo
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:39

    Uh @8. Read #2. You are obviously a victim of truth.

  87. monument22
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:51

    plikthai thnx for RS

  88. the prof.
    February 12th, 2008 | 08:40

    Venezuelan ideologies Vs. Amerikan ideologies???

    ..give me Chavez any day…
    And to the yanks spewing anti chavez hatred, what about Pat Robertson, the “christian” who said of Chavez…
    “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.” ….

    Yeah, thats right, we dont like you, so we assasinate you…simple!!You were democratically elected by your people??So what…we dont give a toss…you dont fit in with the US style of democracy….
    Amerika is a fine example of Democracy to the world….a shining light to us all….yeah right….

    No wonder you are not liked….

  89. bbrain
    February 12th, 2008 | 08:56

    haha you people make me laugh

    jealous people and apologetics that hate america

    keep hating, keep spreading hate. it will lead you nowhere

  90. the prof.
    February 12th, 2008 | 09:02

    sorry mate…is your name bbrain or peabrain??

    No one is spreading hate bud…you reap what you sow…

  91. Barry
    February 12th, 2008 | 09:09

    Who does Pilger actually support?

  92. the prof.
    February 12th, 2008 | 09:22

    pilger tells it as it is….sometimes the truth hurts…
    If telling the truth about US foreign policy is “unhelpful” then so be it…what is there to like about americas meddling covert agenda ways??WAKE UP Jim!!

  93. OrthodoxAthiest
    February 12th, 2008 | 09:27

    @Johnny… you almost had me fooled… you lost me at “or in some respect Japan and China, where through proper state planning/sponsorship the countries became a success. He certainly has the money for it.”
    Oh my goodness… there is a reason why the Bejing Olympics are being protested.
    China has prospered by purposely devaluing their currency to keep exports growing at a ludicrous level (15%+ year-on-year growth) bulstered by dreadful child labour. If I wasn’t such a cheap-ass subprime poor person, I’d actually avoiding buying chinese products (to the extent possible!)! :| No country should look to China as an example… they should be ashamed.

  94. what
    February 12th, 2008 | 09:42

    ooooooo…..a debate

    cool

  95. VZN
    February 12th, 2008 | 09:46

    Pilger supports greenland

  96. Abraxas
    February 12th, 2008 | 10:08

    It’ll be interesting to see if Mr. Pilger has delved into the US managed death squads of San Salvador and made a contemporary correlation to Iraq and A’stan.

    Divide and conquer FTW!

  97. Stan
    February 12th, 2008 | 10:31

    “True Democracy being a solid 80% voter turnout in support of Chavez in over 6 elections.”

    What is this nonsense supposed to mean?
    80% voted in Venezuela and Chavez was re-elected, so that’s true democracy. Well 60% voted in the US and Bush was re-elected.

    Assuming we are talking about registered voters, Australia has compulsory voting, so mark them down for 90% and presumably the “truest” democracy going.
    They also don’t shut down opposition media outlets so they’ve got Venezuela trumped.

  98. lol
    February 12th, 2008 | 10:53

    Jesus Christ is this VivaChavez character for real? so much ideology with so little facts, oh well Darwin’s law always takes care of people like that, if we survived Stalin’s and Pol Pot’s western supporters and idiots who cheered Eastern European communist regimes we’ll survive the current crop and their pocket-sized wannabe-dictator darlings too

    and as for percentages isn’t it funny that none of these idiots mentions Saddam’s or Milosevic’s 99-104% overwhelming support any longer as a proof of just how loved they were by their respective nations :)

    talking about 99% supports, looking forward to the day when Cubans will be truly free and not the prisoners they are now

  99. ender
    February 12th, 2008 | 10:53

    I like this post today
    it’s turning out to be hot…. :D

    what abt Chavez banging Naomi Campbell ? she says she never met a man as macho as him
    at least she’ll have infinite supply of her favourite, sniff…, “product”, sniff…

    by the way, I haven’t yet seen a post abt the new HBO serie In Treatment, just to see what people think abt it, i’m sick of Lost and Prison Break (still watching though) and what abt the new season of The Wire, the best show ever after Oz !! C’mon boyz there’s a lot of good stuff, better stuff, around

    ciaoooo

  100. Stan
    February 12th, 2008 | 10:55

    VivaChavez
    February 12th, 2008 | 07:27

    @ Johnny
    “Don’t post selective ‘facts’ without putting them in context. Chavez told the oil workers not to strike as it would be damaging to the nation, and said that anyone striking would lose their jobs.”

    First of all, that’s not what Johnny was talking about, so he’s missed no context.

    Secondly, you apparently think this “context” makes Chavez look better not worse.

    Johnny was talking about the fact that if you signed the petition to recall Chavez and force another vote on his presidency — a document which was the embodiment of democracy — Chavez took all those names and had those participating in the democratic process banned from holding a job in a state-run nation.

    Try offerring some context for that sunshine. Try even offerring a favourable comparison. Even a hypothetical one.

    Try saying that if Bush took the names of every registered democrat who voted in the 2004 elections, banned them from holding a government job, along with anyone who went on strike,along with anyone working for a media outlet unkind to him, that would be okay and worth defending because……… ?

    Write it.
    This is Mr Democracy you are supposed to be defending. Can you even put him in a favourable light in comparison to Bush when it comes to democracy ?

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