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If you copy something that can be duplicated without stealing anyones resources, is that 100% the same as the classic version of theft?

I’m never gonna feel any moral or ethical dilemma from stealing “pocket change” from “fat cats”, and if those “fat cats” want to moan that the gaffer needs to get paid, they can take it out of their cut.

At the same time I’ll happily pay whom i think deserves it. The days when anyone will buy any crap on the shelves are over.

extortion : Law. the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one’s office or authority.

@26 Gaius – “It’s entertainment, nothing more.” It’s more than entertainment, its part of culture and its part of our social fabric. I recognise that in the eyes of the law it is theft, but I believe it has no relation whatsoever to the kind of intent required to steal a real DVD from a shop, and I think in most peoples minds it is an entirely different moral question.

Fundamentally, this whole issue arises because the media industry is trying to apply old media supply and demand economics to a situation that doesn’t bear any resemblance to that structure. There is infinite supply (copy-paste) and demand is not concentrated and is not driven necessarily by desire for a product but more from interest or exploration. There is such a plethora of media available on the internet that the industry couldn’t, without immense (but not impossible) effort, supply the wide ranging demands of internet users.

“The price P of a product is determined by a balance between production at each price and the desires of those with purchasing power at each price.” – Wikipedia

As soon as the industry recognises that we know digital media doesn’t have production costs and that there are better (DRM-less, quickly found and acquired, high-bitrate, easily accessed and transferred) alternatives to their paltry, half-assed, offerings – we can start the climb back to legal media.

I personally belive that production companies should be paied for distribution rather then the idea. Noone clamies that stealing a physical dvd is theft. But saying that distributing the dvd information over the internet is somehow worse is rediculus. If film and TV companies would embrace digital distribution priced for the relative cost of the cheaper distribution via the internet. Wich must be atleast 100 times cheaper then dvd manufacturing and shipping, not to mention that digital distribution is more eco friendly.

People already get hundreds of chanels for 30-40? $ (don’t know the pricing in the US) a month. If you could subscribe for your favorite shows and download them via the internet in a few minutes for a few $ a season I would. I live in sweden and the only way for me is digital distrubution if I don’t want to wait for years for them to come here.

Game developers are already useing digital distribution sucessfully proveing that it does indeed work. Ofcourse pricing is still way to high comparativly.

I think I have rambled on enough now.

While I don’t disagree that the people who make movies deserve to get paid, I do disagree with many things the movie industry does. For example, most all DVD (& Blu-Ray/HD-DVD) releases have a region code on them to stop you from importing discs from other countries. The industry says it needs to prevent people from importing copies from another country before it goes to theaters there. This doesn’t explain why re-releases are region coded. Or why each title doesn’t have a bypass code that can be used once the movie is no longer in theaters. With digital distribution being much cheaper than having a run of DVDs made, why can’t the studios put their movies up in downloadable AVI form for $2-5 each, rather than require a monthly subscription and only let you download videos in a broken DRM format that won’t play on anything else? Why do we have to wait and hope that a studio will deem certain older movies worthy of a DVD release so that we can finally see them again, when for a fraction of the cost, they could transfer their entire catalog to digital format and put it up for download? Why should people who record a movie in a theater and harm no-one and nothing other than some of the profits of a movie studio, be sent to jail longer than someone who actually hurts someone? Why are the same studios that have used public domain stories to base some of their most famous movies on, working so hard to make copyrights permanent, effectively preventing anything from ever becoming public domain again?

Maybe when the movie and music industries stop pretending that their profits are what keeps the world spinning and they offer their products in a legal format that competes favorably with the illegal ones in terms of ease of use, ease of obtaining it, etc, I’ll have more respect for them.

@28 Gaius,

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i am willing you to steal it

take it, its yours

I download what I want when I want knowing that it is illegal.

If the film/album/software is good enough and I feel that the developer/company deserves the money they will get it from me.

They can’t really claim they don’t get enough money. A lot of the big films go way above the budget for their films on just the opening weekend. An early CAM release is not going to effect it at all.