First the ps3 is ahead of the wii but behind the 360 in power, it’s a fucking FACT.

Second, it’s completely the line up of games, and the fact that the ps3 hit a YEAR after the 360 and the wii was out first. It’s pretty simple, 360 with a line up of games for 500, wii with like 8 games for 200, ps3 with barely a game in site for 900.

Like I’ve been saying for awhile now, give sony the same time in the market as their competition and THEN you can bash them all they want.

No ,I’m not done. The ps2 had PS1 hardware built into it for backwards support, as does the ps3. Why? Simple you morons, it’s better to run the game on the hardware than in emulation. Find me a *good* ps2 emulator and of course it will be that same lonely 1 working ps2 emulator. Take a look at the PC requirements of running that, and compare that to the hardware the ps2 actually has. There’s a HUGE gap, cause it’s takes ALOT MORE POWER to run ps2 emulation than simply dumping the old hardware in it.

Didn’t hear you bitching about the ps2 working flawlessly for all but a handful of ps1 games.

Again, sony didn’t lie about anything, they showed you ingame videos running o nthe SDK as they always do, all game companies do this. They never once claimed it was real time console playing, just ingame video.

But that’s beside the point, 60 some posts and they are all the same lame crap showing the rest of us most of you are either 12 years old, or have the mental capacity of a 12 year old.

When the 360 hit the market it was AHEAD of pc games in terms of power. Not anymore, no console can steal the lead for long, and as it is now, the money spent on a ps2 can get you a monster gaming rig without the LCD.

Anyone trying to argue console gaming is better than PC gaming is young and has to be under 15, it really is that simple. Don’t argue points you don’t understand, don;t come here quoting bullshit as fact, some of us actually do RESEARCH these products.

Out of the 3 next gen consoles the ps3 is, unfortunately, the weakest. Why do i say unfortunately? CAuse I’ve owned a ps1 and ps2 and still use my ps2 alot. Sony runs lines of games I like, always has always will.

It’s not even about prodcut loyalty, it’s about games. Traditionally the games I like come out on ps2 and 6 months to a year later on the xbox, and I’m not willing to wait that long.

The 360 is riddles with problems, just go to your local retail store and jsut ask how many they had to send to microsoft after x-mas, you’ll be amazed.

I personally saw a game that was left in the drive over night that now has RINGS BURNT INTO THE DISK!

I’ve used a Wii and it’s fun, for awhile. I’ve played on the 360 extensively and it’s not all that. Neither is the ps3. The fact that this subject can’t be broached without the ensuing bitch match is pathetic.

Grow up and discuss your complaints like adults. I’d honestly hate to see what the rlslog forum would be like.

Well dumbfucks so did 360 and wii so who cares? Really i think the point of this post should be to ban anyone flaming or posting up lame useless comments.

All 3 consoles suck compared to PCs so whatever suck it and grow up.

besides, fanboys are so one-track minded that it’s sickening that the MAJORITY (not all fanboys mind you) don’t even respect the opinions of others on why they like one particular console. they act as if, if you don’t like the product i’m loyal to you’re nothing but a “FUKIN RETURD BITCH” or whatever. although he’s not a gamer, all gamers should be as opinionated and non-one-tracked-minded as aussiebear is.

also, hasn’t anyone noticed why the ps3 is doing bad right now. it’s because of the games, not the hardware (although i realize that you cannot play games unless the tech issue is addressed). the ps2 won this generation’s console war because of their gigantic library of great, good, and decent games. xbox was clearly the hardware winner and gamecube (if i remember correctly, it’s been a while so i could be wrong on this) isn’t that far away. yet consumers didn’t care for that because ps2 had a better library of games that people enjoy playing. xbox 360 is winning right now because it had a head start before the others and has a lot of games in its library right now (gears of war anybody?), wii is doing well too because it had that killer app in zelda and wii sports. ps3 has no games yet, until i guess gran turismo (the same killer app that sold a lot of ps2’s when it first came out) or metal gear solid 4. btw, i’m not going to address the pc issue because i haven’t really play pc games to see what’s its strong points and weak points other than the obvious upgrades for strong and “have to play with others” for weak.

every console has its strong points, 360 is great for fps a la gears of war or halo, wii is great for party games, and ps3 is good for its rpgs (and god of war 3… maybe). every console has its deficiencies too, 360 isn’t backwards compatible to its fullest, the wiimote horror stories, and the pr/tech fuck ups of the ps3. personally once i graduate next year and get that job i’m going to buy all three because each console has both its strong and weak points, but in the end its all about the games.

(1) The pre-sale overhype.

A whole year before it was released, they showed all these wonderful demos. (was it CES 2005?). It was fucking mind blowing!…Too bad most were pre-rendered.

ie: The audience feels cheated and doubts about the capabilities of the PS3 itself are questioned … All that PR momentum is lost by 2006. (You know it, I know it, Sony knows it).

So far, MGS4 has lived up to the hype in terms of eyecandy demos which aren’t pre-rendered. But we still have no idea of how it will play. You can’t say much about it, because its not out yet. (I wanna know what happens to Snake!)

That Gundam game on the PS3 was SHIT. You can tell the developers have no fucking idea how to write apps for the Cell processor.

(2) Cost.

From past history of consoles, if you exceed a certain threshold of price, the consumer won’t be interested. (That’s fact). This is why the Wii is well accepted. Its affordable. Bloody obvious.

(3) Competition.

Sony was too busy knocking on MS’s Xbox 360 in their early presentations. (Boasting how powerful their PS3 is, etc).

They shouldn’t have said anything, just show brief glimpses of the PS3 concept demo box and nothing else. They became obsessed with beating MS, wasting time & effort in countering MS PR with their PR. This is exactly what MS wants, and Sony fell for it! (Its the OLDEST trick in the MS Playbook!…This is why you remember MS’s history!)

Here’s a trick about MS if they’re gunning for your ass. You ignore them and produce the best damn product you can muster.

The most surprising thing is Nintendo pouncing out in popularity, while MS and Sony were in a dick measuring contest. See what I mean? Ignore MS, and focus on your product!

(4) Production and Design issues.

PS3 is too radical and too new. The infrastructure wasn’t well in place yet…Result? Not enough Blu-Ray diodes! Europeans and Aussies like me don’t get our PS3 release until March. (Is it March? I think I stopped caring about consoles at the end of 2006). This also has issues with (5), see below.

And what about the initial control design? “The Boomerang”! Wow, I wonder how much they spent on that?! Here’s a hint. People like a balance of simplicty, looks and usability…They don’t like over the top BS. It must be practical. Someone was smoking some “funny stuff” when they were designing that!

(5) Development tools.

Along with being too radical, the dev tools provided aren’t making life easier for game developers. PS3 is a whole new platform, requiring time to understand and optimise for. Both John Carmack (Id Software) and Gabe Newell (Valve) have clearly indicated that MS’s dev tools for the Xbox 360 are better. (When you write games for consoles, you actually do it on a PC and cross-compile the code to run on the architecture of that game console…I mean the dev kit of that console!)

MS kills Sony in this regard. Their experience in software development is one up on Sony.

Hell, even the infamous developer of the MGS series, Hideo Kojima, has hinted that its difficult to do, but he wishes to exploit it in MGS4. Which is why its taking a long time!

Now, IBM is stepping into it by providing engineers to tutor and help game developers in exposing the Cell processor’s potential.

(6) PR screwup by the music branch of Sony.

Officially, they called it “Extended Copy Protection”. Unofficially, its the infamously named “Sony Rootkit”.

The issue turned out to be equivalent to a dirty old peverted man (Sony), trying to fondle a 15yr old girl, and got caught red handed!

Rule 1 : Get it through your thick skulls you content providing dim-wits, DRM does NOT work.
Rule 2 : Follow Rule 1.

People don’t realise that Sony Music and Sony Computer Entertainment are two different branches. (Same with their mobiles, TVs, Car audio, etc).

What people see, are that it all falls under the banner of Sony, and hence, its all the same level of suck factor.

Currently to some, Sony is BAD.

(7) Linux support?

Cool idea. Probably desperate move by Sony (in a marketing perspective).

As a Linux user, I see this as a complete and utter belly flop to the MAX.

Why?

* You can’t access the Nvidia GPU. They won’t let you (prevent you via hypervisor) or provide the facilities for it. Way to go ass-wipes! So what’s the point then?

…so PS3 with Linux, no graphics acceleration. Whooopi-friggin-do! Slow ass VESA mode! No cool desktop eyecandy effects! No OpenGL love. Well, fuck you too, Sony.

* Memory is too little. You need to double the system RAM here Sony. Its not a computer when it runs slower than a PC! At least 512MB of system RAM in addition to the existing video memory.

* Cell processor isn’t suited for regular computing work. (I personally think they should have gone with a dual-core processor design). So a dual-core with 7 or 8 SPEs.

* Geeks need time to understand how the heck to take advantage of the Cell. That’s gonna take a while. They’ve managed to port the code over without too much issue. (as the Cell is PowerPC architecture)…But its not optimised

* Its FAR more cheaper to build a low-noise PC than it is a to buy a PS3. PS3 is also less flexible in the hardware sense. What you can do is restricted by Sony and Nvidia. (At least on the PC, an open 3D driver is being worked on!)…Hell, its cheaper to hack an Xbox 1 and turn that into a MythTV frontend!

So all this snowballs into a huge mess for Sony.
They really should learn these lessons.

They were unfocused, distracted and over-confident because of their past success with the PS2.

I don’t doubt Sony makes great hardware and electrical goods when done right…But no one is gonna fall for marketing any longer. (to cover up deficiencies)

Everyone is starting to wisen up to all forms of marketing.

Just look at the response to Windows Vista, and how MS is using the excuse of “piracy” for a reason of poor sales! They spent millions on a world wide launch for Vista, and at best, the consumer reaction was: “Meh”.

Simply put. If you make a great product, you don’t need marketing to hype it up. The product will speak for you. All you do is demonstrate it to the rest of the world.

You can copy other company’s ideas, just make sure you are actually making it better and improving the fundamental concept that the consumers like. Not just repeating someone else’s crap.

…And lastly, focus on giving the consumer fun and entertainment. Wasn’t that the original point of the Playstation concept?

Apparently, somewhere along the way, this was lost on Sony…

If Sony wants to get user confidence back, bring out a “PS3 Plus” with seriously beefed up specs at a generous, affordable price.

I’m talking 512MB RAM, dual-core variant of Cell, 120GB HDD, fixing issues with HD output limitations, fully MPEG2 capturing of video, etc.

Otherwise, there’s really no hope in hell.

I’m not a gamer, but I do keep an eye on technology itself. Its not hard to figure out why something became unpopular and f**ked up completely. The real question is: Will they learn from it?

I appreciate every console ever made.
Each one has it’s strengths and weeknesses, which makes
them different, just imagine if there was only Nintendo,
how boring and lame would that be. Personally I enjoy the
differences in Nintendo, M$, and Sony, it makes for an interesting gaming world!!

Just my 2cents

get a life and dont mesh with things that u dont have, will never have