Sicko DVDRip XViD-iMBT
iMBT bring us a great documentary by Michael Moore, Sicko. Bringing health care and comedy together. Michael Moore explores America’s health care system. Release comes on 2 discs with excellent quality.
Opening with profiles of several ordinary Americans whose lives have been disrupted, shattered, and — in some cases — ended by health care catastrophe, the film makes clear that the crisis doesn’t only affect the 47 million uninsured citizens — millions of others who dutifully pay their premiums often get strangled by bureaucratic red tape as well.
After detailing just how the system got into such a mess (the short answer: profits and Nixon), we are whisked around the world, visiting countries including Canada, Great Britain and France, where all citizens receive free medical benefits. Finally, Moore gathers a group of 9/11 heroes – rescue workers now suffering from debilitating illnesses who have been denied medical attention in the US. He takes them to a most expected place, and in addition to finally receiving care, they also engage in some unexpected diplomacy.
While Moore’s SiCKO follows the trailblazing path of previous hit films, the Oscar-winning BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE and all-time box-office documentary champ FAHRENHEIT 9/11, it is also something very different for Michael Moore. SiCKO is a straight-from-the-heart portrait of the crazy and sometimes cruel U.S. health care system, told from the vantage of everyday people faced with extraordinary and bizarre challenges in their quest for basic health coverage.
In the tradition of Mark Twain or Will Rogers, SiCKO uses humor to tell these compelling stories, leading the audience conclude that an alternative system is the only possible answer.
Genre: Documentary
IMDB Rating: 8.5/10 (15,756 votes)
Directed by: Michael Moore
Starring: Michael Moore, George W. Bush
Release Name: Sicko.DVDRip.XViD-iMBT
Size: 1.37gb 2CDs
Video: 1130 kbps xvid
Resolution: 672×368
Audio: 448 kbps Ac3
Runtime: 124 min
Filename: imbt-xvid-sicko-cd1, imbt-xvid-sicko-cd2
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Comments(73)
While interesting to watch i do take everything MM says with a very large grain of salt.
Huge grain. Very very huge.
Good stuff, im from europe, but I still watched it.
yeah.he’s all wrong the american system is not at all sick….lol……sarkasm is great!!
C’mon people – comment on the quality, nukes etc – leave your witticism and demographic parleys for another forum. God knows there’s enough of them around.
BTW any English subs for this? I’m deaf and like seeing what people have to say.
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3853228/Sicko.DVDRip.XViD-iMBT
anybody know what happened with the TorrentLeech website?
Michael Moore…one of the very few good things about America.
Thanks for this one!
@5: Here’s your english subtitles:
http://www.anysubs.com/subdetails.php?subid=16665&page=1&order_by=titleasc&PHPSESSID=9fda08d6858f190cd223b8374d99783c
“C’mon people – comment on the quality”
It’s a DVDrip. The encoding specs are posted above. What else do you want to know?
If for some reason, say, there was a huge red flashing bunny rabbit covering the entire left side of the screen for the duration of the movie, this may warrant someone mentioning it as a warning to downloaders.
Apart from that though, it is going to be what it says it is.
yea just cos it sez DVDrip doesn’t mean that the encoding was done successfully eg audio in sync? missing frames? you get what I’m talking about Willis? how many DVDrips come out lately been nuked (for valid reasons)?
btw thanks for the subs
first you will be baked, then there will be cake
@10 Mike;
haven’t been able to connect to the tracker all morning..
SoniKalien
October 22nd, 2007 | 12:07
“yea just cos it sez DVDrip doesn’t mean that the encoding was done successfully eg audio in sync? missing frames? you get what I’m talking about Willis? how many DVDrips come out lately been nuked (for valid reasons)?”
You will find the answer to this question, along with the service you are currently expecting random people on the internet to provide, on a website that monitors what is nuked and what is not.
Why not bookmark it.
Sicko is an awesome movie. The only people who don’t like what Michael Moore has to say are those with their heads up their ass. The guy shows how the corporate rich rule the roost in America. Land of freedom and opportunity my ass! Wake up and smell the coffee.
@Mike.
My torrentleech is dead too…
Internet users across Earth. Michael Moore does not represent America. Neither do I. I can say I am pleased with the American
Health Care system. Michael Moore wants free health care for anyone in America. I’d like an indoor swimming pool, a french maid, and a fleet of Italian sports cars. Point is, nothings free. You always have to pay. Canada has a “free” health care system. But they pay for that with a Goods and Service Tariff or GST. Some providences pay an additional PST tax on top. And their health care system is sub par. Long waits, lower quality of doctors, nurses, and equipment. What I am “sick” of are fat cats like Michael Moore running around pointing fingers at people for making money when he is making millions too.
erok713,
Explain to me how a ride in an ambulance costs hundreds or even thousands of dollars.
I don’t have insurance, so I have to pay my medical costs out of my own pocket. A visit to my doctor’s office to have him look at me for 5 minutes costs me $100, and that’s the discounted rate that he gives me. If he gives me a cortizone shot in any of my joints, the bill will be $200-300. All for a procedure that takes less than 5 minutes and uses probably about $20 worth of supplies.
I have arthritis in my ankle, which often makes it hard for me to walk any great distance. It’s swollen and painful. I could probably get some relief via surgery, but there’s no way I could afford what it would cost.
I have a friend who had a heart attack last year and they had to perform angioplasty on one of his arteries. He DOES have insurance, but between his co-pay and what he has to pay for the insurance and his pills, he’s struggling to make ends meet.
@ erok713
Sorry what your saying is bollox – you have been told what to think is right and thats all there is too it..
The President is an idiot who wastes money on futile wars and conflicts when children and the poor hes created for cannon fodder could be cared for.
America is a place for the rich to get richer and the idiots who support the rich to do as they are told.
Look down on every other country in the world – watch sicko and all of Micheal Moores stuff and get a reality check now and then.
Its the same with Al Gores film….If it rocks the boat a bit everyone is educated to bad mouth them and find fault.
The people trying to improve the country and the world are seen as a fools and busybodies and of course not short of a few quid themselves and that of course wont do.
All this while turning a blind eye to the leaders who continue to take away freedoms and lie to get richer…
Of course its easy to think Micheal Moore is wrong cos hes fat and ugly right?…dumbasses
High time for a new revolution in America, I say!
If the american health care system sucks so much how come so many world leaders come here for operations? How come the American divisions of some many pharma companys develop new drugs? How come you have never heard of the canadian equivalent of sloan kettering making some dramatic discovery in cancer research? How come when castro was sick he didnt use doctors in cuba he used doctors from Venezuela?
Free health care? There is no country in the world that has free health care. There are several systems where people pay the same amount to insurance, which goes into a big pot where everybody who needs medical attention gets what he needs (well, the basics). Those systems work, but not without a bit f-ing sum om money from the government to cover the holes.
But do I really want to pay for a guy that drank/smoked/used drugs and now suffers the health consequences? I’m not THAT social. People who live an unhealthy lifestyle should pay through the nose instead of leeching of those who do live healthy. Bring on the new healt care insurrances that take lifestyle into account!
Rekrul – October 22nd, 2007 | 14:02
“erok713, Explain to me how a ride in an ambulance costs hundreds or even thousands of dollars.”
Why should he?
How is that an appropriate response to his post, which merely points out what this one-sided movie doesn’t – that there is a cost to these alternate health care systems of other countries.
In the UK it’s the NHS. You simply need to type that into google news to find out the downside. It’s there every day in a dozen different reports in a dozen different papers.
In Australia the news this month was that 90yo patients were being put in storage closets because there aren’t enough beds. There aren’t enough doctors in rural areas because government hospital staff are underpaid and continually screwed over.
But the real problem is beds. In July a girl at my work nearly lost her mother to respiratory problems because she had to wait 4 hours to be seen at a hospital and another hour to be transferred by helicopter to the other end of the state, where the only hospital bed in the state was available. This is the state where Sydney is located, the most populated city in Australia. 1 bed for respiratory intensive care. Think that’s all rosy do you?
Yes visits to GPs are free. They’re also brief and inaccurate as the doctors don’t care. They are the same type of care you would get if you asked a check-out-chick nutrition advice about your groceries. Last doctors visit I got prescribed anti-biotics for a virus, because that got me out the door and the next patient in.
You’ve seen a movie that promotes all the downsides to US care, none of the upsides and the reverse case for other countries. It’s maybe the most blatantly biased film since Why Nuclear Bombs Are Good For You (1956).
Wouldn’t you rather at least hear the downside of an alternative system before embracing it?
Well isnt erok173 actually right, free healthcare isnt litearly FREE… you do have to pay for it in form of taxes.
In Finland its 1.5% of your income so no big deal. And when it comes to quality of the healthcare, finland, rest of the europe, canada and usa has same quality level.
Waiting line for surgerys and such, in here is guaranteed to be less than 2 weeks, emergencies require naturally immediate treatment.
This system works for us but it doesnt mean it would work for you, so I hope you find healthcare system that suits your needs.
Subtitles:
http://www.subtitlesource.org/subtitle.php?imdb=0386032
As Qred in #25 said Health care in Norway to is basically free. That is, if you are unemployed, homeless etc. you get Free healtcare and even needed medecine.
If you do work and pay your taxes you still get almost free health care. The few % you payin taxes are really nothing compared to what you get back.
Anyway, back to the movie..
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3853343/Sicko.DVDR-TGP
DVD-R upped by Loder. havent watched this one yet so cant tell if its ok or not. :/
Is the healthcare system in the U.S. perfect? No.
Is free healthcare the solution? No.
Am I going to watch this piece of propaganda? Definitely not.
Calling MM’s work a documentary is an insult to bad documentaries everywhere… It is one-sided, completely ignorant of the quality of care you get if you can afford it, oblivious to the fact that health care benefits in the US depends on how you contribute (leechers don’t get any), and like most of MM’s work completely geared towards his propaganda message.
Like Fahrenheit 911 this film will do more damage than good. Dunno if that’s a good thing here.
I saw this movie when it was being streamed from a another site a couple months ago.. This movie is a freaking eye opener. Half the world has free medical services with better healthcare then USA.. france.canada.england. etc.. We are getting screwed over by the man in the states.
Michael Moore is the real sicko.
exaggerating son of a bit ch.
jep kill the poor.who needs them.let them rot in the gutter.
and laugh as u drive by in ur fuelgusseler.shouting thats
what u get u big fat leecher.get rich or die u poor bastard.
….well true tax payed health care is not the very best.
but atleast u get help,without them checking ur vallet first.
Born and raised in Canada, Erok713 and anybody else who says Canada’s healthcare is “subpar” is simply misinformed.
The United States shows one too many news reports of “lineups” and “quality decay” from Canada, and hopefully anybody with an IQ above 70 can distinguish the odd “bad news” reports from the reality of the matter.
Canadian healthcare treats both rich and poor 100% equal, thats how it works, for ALL citizens.
IF there is ANY reason why our healthcare is going downhill, its BECAUSE of united states.
Why do all the world leaders go to united states for healthcare? Because they can afford it. If you can dish out large sums of money, American is the best healthcare, if you ask a RICH Canadian, they will indeed say that they like American health care better.
What about the rest of us?
What about the MAJORITY of us who are not rich? A universal healthcare system, is by FAR the best system, because of its ability to help middle-class and lower-class families without them having to sacrifice anything.
Is the Canadian healthcare system decaying? Maybe, but why?
Well for one, the way the American health care system runs, its all for business and profit, so our Canadian doctors would much rather run south of the border, get paid more $$ for less work, who wouldn’t?
With the current way the medical schools and training works, very little of the med school graduates do it for the sake of helping other human beings, its all for money and prestige.
Because our one and only neighbor is the US, it is the cause of decline in our own health care system. When US adopts universal healthcare for all US citizens, both Canada and US healthcare will improve together significantly.
World leaders normally go to France, not the US. France is where world leaders like the Pope, Arafat, etc choose to go.
As for spending, you have to pay for universal healthcare in taxes but it’s much cheaper. Sure, the government system is much more efficient and only costs half as much per person as the US private system, but Americans like paying more. Americans are also the most likely to be turned down for medical treatment or go without medication.
It’s a great system Americans have.
Hooray for generalizations and lies! This guy has been critisized in every county that he attempts to comapre the US with, and living in Canada, its not so rosy here but at least we keep that marxists at bay
Hooray for generalizations and lies! This guy has been critisized in every country that he attempts to comapre the US with, and living in Canada, its not so rosy here but at least we keep that marxists at bay
This documentary isn’t all that great, but at least it has people discussing the issue.
Any American who has bought all the propaganda pumped out by the American Medical Association, and by all the politicians that the AMA has bought (and there are a lot of them), deserves to be without healthcare, even if they can afford it – that betrays a total lack of critical thinking ability, and you’re a liability in a democracy if you can’t think critically.
The reason why powerful lobbies like the AMA can continue to dictate policy in the United States is because they trick so many Americans into thinking that “OUR best interests are the same as YOUR best interests.”
You’re the people, the fooled people, who make sure the rest of us keep getting exploited by powerful Washington lobbies.
just my few pence but the way i see it is that mm is a fraud moaning about big corporations and capitalism whilst earning big bucks in revenue from films books appearances ect i live in the uk where healthcare is free!!! (lmao) i have to pay quite a lot out of my pay cheque for this free healthcare just to support the indigenous lowlife scum that cant be bothered to work or the increasing health tourists who come over to get free health care or the increasing amount of immigrants who work cash in hand and do not pay any national insurance i would rather have the American system it seams fairer to me and if you cant afford it tough get off your arse and get a job of you still cant afford it get off your arse and get a better one.
Should a 400 lb man advise us on the evils of over-consumption?
Should the resident of a million-dollar apartment claim to be a poster boy of the working class?
Should a person who thought that Enron was a great investment, that Ralph Nader, Wesley Clark and John Kerry would win, and that North Korea’s Kim Jong was changing for the better, advise us on ANYTHING?
It’s easy to say we should not have health care for everyone when you have money and health care of your own. What about the kids who are starting at the bottom? I guess they just get screwed right?
Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness…Which one of those can you have if you are sick and can’t afford help?
This movie may be lopsided against the current american system, but MM has some good points. I am a health professional myself and my biggest disappointment with the US healthcare system is not that it’s not free (like some other posters said, no health care system is *free*), but the fact that corporates are making a hell of money out of a public service that is so vital to our society. No one outside of the direct care of patients should be allowed to make a profit out of the system (read: health insurance corps).
US has some of the finest physicians and medical advancements in the world and people come here for those, NOT for the kind of healthcare system. People with $$ will get the best treatment here, but not everything will get the same care. Don’t confuse medicine with healthcare.
At least Michael Moore has the balls to bring up some of America’s biggest problems. Even if what he presents is slightly skewed, we’re still debating and discussing, looking for the loopholes and trying to figure out an answer – which is exactly what is supposed to happen. *GASP* Americans are THINKING? NO WAY!!! And for that, I applaud you, Mr. Moore.
Hey if your health care didn’t suck so bad it wouldn’t have to be targeted. I know a few people that work within the HMO system in the US and they all KNOW it is the worst in the first world, the only countries worse off are 3′rd world.
P.S. The kings of showing people and their BS are still Penn and Teller. P&T’s Bulls@#t is always factually true, and they like to let people talk themselves into corners rather then trying to force a stupid situation. You can find all 5 seasons on Mininova, debunking many different things from The Bible to Recycling to Second Hand Smoking. A definite watch for anyone out there who still thinks recycling is better for the world, or who still thinks second hand smokers will give them cancer, as neither of them are true.
@ nayab9
“Because our one and only neighbor is the US, it is the cause of decline in our own health care system. When US adopts universal healthcare for all US citizens, both Canada and US healthcare will improve together significantly.”
I for one am for less government and less social programs. I think handouts are often abused and the cost is payed by people
who don’t even use those programs. I don’t see how the Canadian
Health Care systems “decay” is the United States fault? Fix your own health care system and stop blaming others. And don’t expect the US Health Care System to go social anytime soon.
Michael Moore rocks, universal health care isnt free. But it is universal.
BTW I come from Australia. My mother is having both her knees replaced in the next week. The total cost to her is about $1000. Pretty cheap if you ask me.
thx for the upload! michael moore is hillarious and this guy is a comedian in my books. All you guys talking about the American System. All systems have pros and cons. my feedback on some of the comments:
-don’t confuse the pharmaceutical business industry and their lobbying power they have on the FDA
Questions to still ponder:
America is richest nation in the world and George Bush is now asking for $46billion http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071022/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_war_spending;_ylt=AjpkJbLoBBJmIKGTa7uCK1Ss0NUE
while there are about 47 million Americans without healthcare http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
go figure… oh well I will watch from Canada, as the US Dollar is going to depreciate faster further if that $46billion gets granted.
…and yet unfortunately this President hasn’t been impeached yet – for what reason I don’t really know, maybe you have to have sex with an intern in the US to get impeached?? There is no other explanation that I think we are witnessing the collapse of the American empire. All great empires have come and go; the Romans and Greeks, now the US. thanks again for this lovely comedy.
@nayab9
“A universal healthcare system, is by FAR the best system, because of its ability to help middle-class and lower-class families without them having to sacrifice anything.”
That statement just about sums up the difference in thinking on healthcare systems. The huge issue is who is going to pay for the healthcare system in a country.
Obviously, you think no one should have to sacrifice anything except people that work hard and wind up with a lot of money. That is not a good incentive to motivate people.
@nayab9
Just one more…
“Well for one, the way the American health care system runs, its all for business and profit, so our Canadian doctors would much rather run south of the border, get paid more $$ for less work, who wouldn’t?”
Why doesn’t Canada pay its doctors a competitive wage for their skills?
I’m an American that works in law enforcement in a medium sized town, work almost 60 hours every week, and I am very happy with the health coverage I have.
Not every American worships Michael Moore. People that complain about our system are people who don’t want to spend their own money on health insurance, or only want to work at a part time job that doesn’t offer health insurance, or refuse to work at all and feel entitled to government handouts.
Well said Andrew. That’s exactly the way I see it too.
Andrew: What’s a guy who works in law enforcement doing on a piracy site?
I’m Canadian, 31, and looking at minor internal surgery in the next few months. The fact is in this country all I worry about is that I don’t have cancer, not that I’ll be financially decimated just finding out. You are fully entitled to prefer your system but I think I’ll stay here with ours, thanks. My operation, treatment, etc, should cost me virtually nothing. Regardless of how much money I make.
It’s pretty simple really, there’s two kind of people in this equation: those that think of what’s best for themselves and those that think of what’s best for everyone as a whole. As you can’t convert really convert people from one type to the other this argument will never go away and it’s pointless to continue it.
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Grrr just got into a huge political debate about Zeitgeist, not really inclined to do that again especially with people that that cant read so well.
Federalize the school systems so that every citizen that wants a good, quality education may have one for free. Federalize the healthcare system to make sure that every citizen that wants good quality healthcare may have it for free. Pay for it with corporate taxes. Healthy, intelligent Americans is what we are in need of but have a severe lack of. A good quality free education would lower the welfare roles exponentially after a single generation. It can easily be paid for with minor reductions in out of control military spending, and corporate taxes; at the same time personal income taxes could easily be lowered to a flat 10% for everyone.
Gee would be nice if the US politicians could figure out how to do something nice like that for its people instead of thinking how it is going to sell its next war, or find the next “bad guy”, or the next thing that you should be afraid of, or some other ridiculous bullscheisse like that.
And BTW #13, yes you will be baked and then there will be cake; but what you didn’t know is that i just shot an orange portal just inside the gates of hell and when you turn around i am going to shoot a blue portal under your computer chair, quick BEHIND YOU !
@ Charles
“Obviously, you think no one should have to sacrifice anything except people that work hard and wind up with a lot of money. That is not a good incentive to motivate people.”
-Everyone sacrifices something, poor people pay taxes too, its not like we don’t give anything to the government.
“Why doesn’t Canada pay its doctors a competitive wage for their skills?”
- Again you clearly don’t understand something. The US system is based on profit, they make alot more money because they only cover people who can pay money for services (and lots of it)… if this is the case, then theres no way Canada can match this salary, because Canadian health care is run by government, and is not based on making profit, but for taking care of every Canadian citizen.
Canadian physicians make a boatload of money, medicine dominates the top 10 professions by salary for us too, but they just make less then they would in U.S., because healthcare is not based on profit..
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All those snickering at the US, please, think it over…
I mean…
These are our emigrants – our peasants, illiterates, thieves and murderers… our weakest and most futile…
They’re there – not because they chose to – but because we indirectly, in our semi-past tense egoistic societies, sought no use of them. And how would you even expect our waste to excel in a mere 400 years or so when we messed up their gene pool with our dirt?
Of course there’s gonna be some archaic tendencies lingering before evolution catches up. It’s natural.
So instead of all the hate mongering – ask yourselfes – where were your countries before YOU evolved as a society? And on a personal perspective – how many pigeons and frogs did YOU kill before YOU grew up? Did YOU really share YOUR candy?
If not… YOU can’t blame THEM for being midevial rednecks, cause we’ve all been there at one point or another. And the argument that most of us dropped those tendecies at the onset of puberty is weak, because it rests on the false notion that americans in general would be as proficient as YOU. And in general, they’re not.
See the irony in that hate mongers? ^^
I am sorry #60 do you mean founders like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison, John Adams, etc ? Do you mean the people that used to c0ckfight, grow acres and acres of hemp, violently opposed an oppressive government, an fight to the death for personal liberty and freedom?
Funny i don’t see any of their like left in American politics. They either get called “wackos”, “crackpots”, or are thrown in prison for exercising their rights. I only see watered down pu$$y ass fascist now a days; a far cry from what the founding fathers were. People like Ron Paul that could actually save the United States get laughed at.
Kind of hard to poke fun at the euros when they are working harder at liberty and freedom than the “land of the free”.
@jdizzle1337
Ron Paul is a Libertarian wacko, they don’t even respect affirmative action.
How much is his campaign paying you to say this stuff?
It’s NOT the DVD rip, the DVD contains 80 min. of new stuff, including something about Norway too. This edition is just the same as was on the big screen(cinema).
The point of the show is that Americans pay so much more for poor healthcare because most is taken out as profit and overhead. All of the statistics show Americans get the least treatment (including the rich) and they pay about twice as much. 30% alone is wasted on paperwork and administration in US private care, compared to 3% in Canada or 2% in US Medicare.
He focused on the single-price UK system so any thinking person would realize how efficient it is compared to the complex web of insurers and generic / patent drugs in the US.
America has the lowest ratio of doctors in the developed world. The high pay is due to a for-profit system that makes education very expensive and out of reach to talented young adults. In Europe, medical school is essentially free so you have more doctors and they “only” make a couple hundred thousand dollars. That’s also why Canadian doctors receive subsidized education and then move to the US where doctors are rare and in so much debt they can demand higher wages.
@Charles: Only 1/3 of US taxes are from income. The bottom 25% of earners pay more in payroll and sales tax.
Canadian doctors are not civil servants. Providers are entirely private in Canada.
Canadian physicians don’t really earn less than most American doctors now that the dollar is in parity. More doctors are actually moving to Canada than the other way around now.
The cost savings between the US and Canada is almost entirely due to the efficiency of the single-payer system in Canada. Canada just has a lot less overhead waste without hundreds of insurers, claims research, marketing, or insurance profit.
It’s the US system that produces less doctors. Fewer doctors naturally drives up wages and the cost of healthcare.
i cant understand the logic of some people i would rather pay 20-40 bucks out of my pay a week, then have to fork out $500,000 if i had a heart attack or i was involved in a traffic collision.
health care is the right of every person rich or poor, and some people are poor not just out of laziness, what about those who have had a shocking divorse or have run a failed business? or better yet those who are poor because they have had to pay for kemo?
and when u add profit to the equation u are just going to get screwed… here in Australia the system has far too many problems but at least i know i wouldnt have to sell a house just so i can live?!
and just think of the trillions of dollars that has been wasted in iraq alone, and think how many lives could have been saved.
@Harry: Things are of course paid by taxes, but it’s cheaper in the long-run. Healthcare costs twice as much (per person) in the US, and universities are about 3 times more expensive in the US.
Americans pay more in the end, but they pay for most of it out of their own pocket rather than taxes.
Most people in OECD countries are richer than Americans. Per capita GDP is high in the US, but the inequality is so extreme the median US wage is only $24,000.
$24,000 is the minimum wage in most advanced countries and considered very poor outside the US. Most Europeans receive about half of their income from government benefits, so a European nation with low inequality will generally have twice as much as a median American family. In the US, the median income + government benefits is about $50K, compared to $100K+ in many Scandinavian nations.
A funny fact about the states:
Ever heard the song…
Yankee Doodle went to town,
A-Riding on a pony;
He stuck a feather in his hat,
And called it macaroni.
Yankee Doodle, keep it up,
Yankee Doodle dandy;
Mind the music and the step,
And with the girls be handy!
… and wondered why he called it macaroni?
See… in the mid-18th-century in London there was a notorius club called The Macaroni Club. It consisted of young bashful men gathering to discuss the latest in fashion, culture and cuisine (basically a social gathering for flamboyantly g@y people).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaroni_%28fashion%29
The word “yankee” in it’s turn… comes from the the old dutch word “yuck” which means a rude, hick, hillbilly, slow, simpleton etc.
So when the britts sang about the “yankee doodles” what they were singing was:
A f@ggot hick went to town,
A-Riding on a pony;
He stuck a feather in his hat,
And called it macaroni.
You f@ggot hick, keep it up,
F@ggot hick dandy;
Mind the music and the step,
And with the girls be handy!
And here’s the blissfulness of it…
The ones singing that song nowadays, and getting some “national pride” out of it, probably wouldn’t be caught dead with someone calling them g@y. It’s kind of in the social construct and mindset of the “lesser half”, wouldn’t you agree? (In all fairness, there is a “better half”, they just didn’t kill all the hicks after the war and unfortunately those Yankee Doodles spawned like a mofo… cause, that’s what they do?)
Anyways…
This is how we know that irony in it’s purest form stems from England. Who else would have an entire nation of hicks proudly sing about g@ypride and adapt it as a national symbol for their gigant Macaroni Club?
Yankee Doodle went to town… A-riding on a pony…
Catchy stuff. ^^
$50K is a median Family income + govt. transfers over a lifetime, including SS, medicare, etc. It’s not individual income. The $100K typical for a median family in Switzerland or Norway.
The medicare system costs about $3000 per person and covers very old and sick people. Private care costs about $7000 a person and they deal with healthier people.
Since both systems use the same doctors, the cost savings comes mostly from the efficiency of a single large-scale system. Yes, people who do all of the paperwork and calculate who to deny, or collect huge profits from private insurance would lose their jobs if the government became the insurer. If any of those people got different jobs, then their new output would increase the size of the economy because we’d have the same amount of healthcare + the new work being produced.
@Harry: That’s what a Govt. Transfer normally is. Everyone gets SS and medicare, just like they get education, healthcare, and childcare in other countries. Everyone pays the taxes, although it is generally applied progressively (ie: the rich pay more).
Even the rich get the same childcare, healthcare, social insurance, unemployment benefits, etc in most developed countries.
The US system is a little different in that most benefit programs are targetted to just the poor. Most countries apply the benefits to everyone evenly… that may be why people are willing to pay higher taxes and receive more of their “income” through the government than the US.
Look up any peer-reviewed study and you’ll see medicare is much cheaper than the private care, and administration costs are the primary difference.
I would imagine your taxes would have to increase, but there would clearly be a significant savings overall.
http://www.pnhp.org/news/IJHS_State_Paper.pdf
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/news/releases/0820woolhimmel.html
We already know the same thing happened in every other country. Canada was probably the most recent major country to switch from a US to a single-payer system and their healthcare costs dropped to a level half of the US (previously, they both were the same) and health increased.
Health increased for a different reason – the healthcare had become more evenly distributed and the lower classes saw significant rises.
@Alfred: If employers are now bearing the brunt of the healthcare costs, then that cost savings would be passed to your income. You will either pay it through taxes or private, but there has never been a private healthcare insurer in any country to operate as efficiently as any government.
In the end, Canadians spend about 2% GDP more than Americans through government because that includes most of their healthcare. Americans spend about 20% GDP in healthcare, which is mostly done outside of taxes. The Canadians get to keep most of their money.
There is no such thing as a for-profit insurance provider that operates as efficiently as medicare. Private insurers simply cannot exploit economies of scale of a program as large as medicare. To believe the US government could not do the same would mean we cannot operate as efficiently as every other advanced economy. It would mean the US government cannot operate as efficiently as it does for medicare or medicaid, which already cover America’s old and poor.
You people complaining about the poor receiving basic healthcare without directly paying for it are hypocrits.
You think you should receive software and movies for free but others should die if they can’t afford a doctor?
Sickos.
@69… those were just some examples of how people end up poor… but say you save 30 bucks a weeks from not paying taxes? ok that seems worth it but what happens if your walking along somewhere and you get assaulted by 5 people and basically are left for dead, then you have to be carted to hospital in an ambulance which could cost u anything from $500 to $5000 ( ive talked to an American who got charged 5k for an ambulance ride), then have to have emergency surgery, require an extensive stay in the hospital for recovery and if possible any rehabilitation required? then dont forget the painkillers and other associated medications involved.
so once thats all done and dusted, providing you have actually got insurance the company will find many ways to skimp the costs and in the end this could cost you tens of thousands of dollars which the average person just simply can’t pull from their arse.. so is saving that 30 or more bucks a week well worth it?
@goatman
You make a nice argument until you get to this sentence:
“…providing you have actually got insurance the company will find many ways to skimp the costs and in the end this could cost you…”
You’re wrong. When you sign up for an insurance policy, you buy the coverage you want. If you want a $500/yr deductible, then you sign up for that plan. If you want no deductible, you get that plan, etc…
Some people do sign up for the cheapest plan possible so they can have more money in their bank account. So if they have this accident, and their plan doesnt cover all of the costs of their accident, the hospital will still treat them and fix them up. They can then pay whatever the balance is with the money they saved from buying the cheapest plan. If they don’t have the money because they spent it, they can even pay the hospital off over time.
http://www.moviesplanet.com/movies/3628/sicko/links