ok how many of you actually know what you are talking about? So far i haven’t seen a single person.

I see a lot of people saying ‘ if you don’t want it shared then don’t release it’ well they do want it shared they just don’t want you to share it publicaly with people who have done nothing to earn what they have downloaded which puts them at risk.

There are vast communities that share all these releases and none of them use a p2p app.

At least 50% of scene releases never even end up on p2p and what does is there becuase of leakers who are usually people who have abused there access because the only way they can get what they want is by sharing it on leakers sites. They have no talent and usually have ‘deletion pending’ under there names.

As i said i don’t condone what they did, but i certainly won’t lost any sleep over it.

Re-read my answer to him and you will see that I was telling him that no matter what he thinks, there will always be some form of a file transfer as if there were not, the whole sceener groups would die off. Simple as that. but thanks for trying to clarify what I said even though it was obvious what I ment to most who read the statement.

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These ’sceners’ are not too bright. How hypocritical can they get. They steal copyrighted material, make it available to be shared, then moan about people stealing. Hmmm[/QUOTE]

They DO NOT ‘make it available for everyone’ the release scene and fxp scene are heavily dependant on each other and those involved in it work there arses off for there access.

What do you do to contribute when you fire up your P2P program? Nothing, other than drawing the attention of the authorities to the releases which puts people who put so much work in at risk.

So in principle they have a point. P2P takes and takes and gives nothing back other than danger. I do not agree with what they have done however, nobody deserves that.

This never happened. People always got their hands on “scene” stuff and it was never a closed club. The hardship of getting stuf was due to security measures, not exactly because they didn’t want people to get their stuff. Many of those who think that in the old days the “scene” was closed fall into these categories:

a) Are too young and have imagined an utopian past

b) Are reaccionary nostalgic of the past people with delusions of greatness who aren’t being able to cope with the moving of the times (AKA “aging is a b*tch for some people”).

NFOs used to salute people (all people, not scene friends) who got the release, in whatever way that happened. Now many groups act like they are something special and above all others and that is not the original “scene” i got to know as a youngster.

Fact is most of them are insecure guys probably without much of a life who want the attention and “fame” even though the irony is lost that 99.99999% of people who see or use their work don’t know and don’t care who the person is. Come on, who really gives a f*ck about some nickname on a screen? Nobody.

Big thing, is SSL everything you do with torrents, or don’t use them, and the sites need to promote that..

When compared to Usenet, Torrents suck, however, the last thing we need is a flood of usenet usage since most of the world looks at you weird when you say Usenet, you say torrent and even your 80 year old grandma knows what your up to…

In the end though, we did take the scenes world from them, before 13 year olds could use a torrent, and it was middle ground for the mostly tech savvy users, it was cool. However, as word spread, we got idiots using BT (and a LOT of them) and the MPAA had a little media fest. So, now this “cool underground scene” that was only seen by few, usually oldschool IRC & Usenet users is now a hot topic in the media.

So, being exposed to the world, obviously screeners are being handled more securely, and etc. We use to have awesome TC’s or Screeners a week before the movie came out, then about 6 months ago, that completely changed.

So if you are going to torrent, USE SSL.

I used to argue that the net would make people smarter, in fat nigs case I have been proven wrong as it clearly makes some people dumber then sh*t