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Sceners Threaten to Destroy BitTorrent, “One Step at a Time”

SuperTorrents recently fell victim to an attack by alleged ‘Scene’ members who revealed the site owner’s identity. Further action was promised against torrent sites and today another tracker admin’s life has been turned upside down. The attacker’s message: “Destroying The P2P’s, One Step at a Time”

At the end of last year Torrentfreak reported on the unfortunate fate of Ersan, the administrator of SuperTorrents. He suffered multiple security breaches which revealed his identity along with the loss of $2000 in donations. Scene notices (text files carrying news/other info) carried lots of the gory details, with one ending in a threat: “cellkill is next”.

It seems that “cellkill” - the administrator of Feedthe.net (also known as FTN) has become the group’s latest BitTorrent victim, exactly as promised. In yet another notice with the header “Destroying The P2Ps, One Step at a Time”, part of the justification for the attack reads:

Many have heard of him, but have never spoke to him, for a p2per word of him has come far as the scene. [real name removed], the owner of another torrent site called FeedThe.Net (FTN). His Torrent site steals thousands after thousands of releases from the scene, and then he has the nerve to go and say to other P2P’s STOP STEALING RELEASES FROM US?!??!? ILL BAN YO ASS! But wait, how is this even possible??
[real name removed] isn’t on the “Staff” page yet he’s still banning people, posting news and running the entire site. Mr. [removed], did you really think you were gonna leave without us giving you a goodbye present? Guess again ;-)”

The grim reality becomes clear as detail after detail of this admin’s personal life is revealed. His real name, date of birth, place of residence, personal email addresses, home ISP and IP address, places of education, friends, family - it’s quite a grim read. The claim that CELLKiLL is currently studying ‘Computer Security’ must pile on the embarrassment in spades. Family and friends who have also had their identities revealed can’t be too pleased that their FaceBook profiles are now public information.

Does this action against FTN signal the end of this ‘war’ on BitTorrent or will the MPAA and RIAA be rubbing their hands with delight on a regular basis? At least one other admin has been threatened for helping the admin of SuperTorrents after the original attack but there aren’t any more specifics at the moment.

The attackers left with this message: “We have yet again erased another torrent admin from existence. Other Groups, do your part to make the scene what it was in the beginning. Secure.”

My comment on the issue is that these persons who are participating in these acts of degradation represent only a small, arrogant minority of the scene. Within the scene comes some of the most talented hacking/cracking skills available, and these powers can either be used responsibly, or irresponsibly. I’m not to sure if the ’sceners’ here will actually accomplish their goal of making the scene more secure. The biggest threat to the scene is laws and legislation, police task forces and anti-piracy organizations who attempt to infiltrate and bust them. Second from this would be people who give out IPs and locations to the warez FTPs and sites that the scene groups upload to. Therefore, it does not make sense to find private torrent site admins and then give out their personal information. The P2P portion of the internet is more valuable to the scene then they think it to be, by providing a larger source for pre-airs, screeners, and other goodies. Until the anti-p2p pro ignorance attitude stops coming from some scene members, this ugly and unnecessary war shall be waged for long to come.

source: enigmax, torrentfreak | ftnobar-cellkill.1.rar

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  1. gonzalez
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:19

    Ahh i remember the good old days before p2p. now EVERBODY is doing it, and ppl get sued!
    Tho their actions are lame. Shame on you!

  2. henderson
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:20

    I for one don’t trust anything that Muppet X says

  3. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:22

    so is that it, they spend all that time and effort just to get praised or nuked by their peers, whats the point in that, i thought it was a bunch a cool hippies, death to the man and all that,

    maybe they should get out more!!

    hey P2P frever man, well gettin stuff free frever man, death to the man, peace and love

  4. blt
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:24

    The P2P system is the same as Scene? You give some, you get some.

  5. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:24

    Hey Mr X, do you think it was a racially motivated attack?

  6. DSX
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:26

    Any Sceners who agree with this pattern of behavior are only shooting themselves in the foot. P2P is a much larger, easily accessible public facing element of illegal file activity online. It acts as a shield basically, an easily identifiable and persuable target for law enforcement as opposed to the relatively difficult task of tracking down usenet and IRC users.

    If anything, they should encourage P2P in order to remain all the more exclusive and under the radar.

  7. ReS
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:28

    #87 i have it limited while downloading, i only put it off when seeding. did you even read all i writed?

  8. RXP
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:29

    I wonder if all sceners are Virgins?

    nfos are spam. Never read but for serials.

  9. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:30

    so wouldnt the next step be for some P2P people to make public scene people information,

    are we going to war, are there any scene people here to provide their perspective

  10. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:32

    so where does axxo fit in this is he P2P or scene, and where is he anyway, and are you not allowed to mention his name here, oh dear mummy help!!!

  11. hobomobo
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:34

    go MAFIA(A)! make the bastards on the internet pay for lame media. increase the profits of the huge conglomerates!

    anyone who steals for themselves aren’t really part of the scene, period. they are just plain thieves.

    many powerful people have used their tremendous resources to try and stop P2P before… sometimes they get lucky and knock a site down, but we all know how this will turn out in the end :-)

    my thoughts go out to affected admins. rock on homies, you know what to do.

  12. audio
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:38

    boys will be boys?

  13. hobomobo
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:38

    @ charlie

    axxo isn’t scene, he was just some kid who rented movies when they officially came out and put them on p2p. anyways, he’s been out for a while. never had a problem with his releases, but not really having trouble finding stuff in his absence… don’t really miss him either.

  14. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:46

    why ty hobomobo, what a knowledgeable gentleman you are, im still havin a hard time believing that these scene people dont want people to see or appreciate their hard work, other than other scene people sayin,” hey i love what you did what that aspect ratio man, but im gonna nuke you for you audio”

    oh well,

    Take care

  15. haqpod
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:48

    How do we know RIAA or a similar organization isn’t behind this?

  16. l.y
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:49

    so are you saying its aAF (your link)

    easynews, you dont need newsleecher

  17. nms
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:51

    I know first-hand what a security risk P2P (usually) is to the scene, and you can’t really blame them [the sceners] for wanting to protect themselves. After all, any Joe Schmoe can download some release over P2P, or even be high and mighty managing some torrent trackers and sites, but the releases wouldn’t be there without the providers, sometimes taking huge personal risks to provide their respective group with the release. They, and the rest of the team that ensure that the release ends up on the groups hq and trickles all the way down to the “lesser” sites where they are eventually leaked off to P2P, are the ones that risk their jobs, money, and even freedom (in the sense of going to jail.)
    I think the scene could do with an greater increase in security, even though most sites and irc channels these days are top-notch, using SSL, proxies, and thorough examination of every user added. In the end, any security compromise affecting the scene will in some way or another affect the P2P community as well, seeing how P2P, as a phenomenon, in most cases just act like a leech to a host. I don’t mean that in a bad way — I support P2P all the way, for getting the stuff out there, to everyone, not just to the selected elite. I just think it’s up to us (P2Pers) to be respectful to the scene’s need for privacy and security. We might need to be more careful with posting sensitive NFOs, or other details of site(-ops) or such. These days the MPAA and DOJ guys don’t need to infiltrate the scene groups, they cant just hang around P2P and hope revealing details float their way.
    Then again, you’re pretty stupid (as a scener) if you put revealing information in your NFOs and so on. But still, it happens every now and then, in flame-wars, or courier-group forums (anyone remember tca?) or such.
    There’s no need for some stupid way. Just… be respectful — both ways. If the scene should come crashing down, then at least let it be at the hands of those sneaky government and anti-piracy bastard — don’t do their work for them. :)

  18. heynotreally
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:51

    come on, get a life guys… this is a bit sad, anyway who cares

  19. Takashi
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:56

    Lol@bad information…

    This would’ve been a successful follow up article
    if you didn’t get all the facts twisted. :(
    uFAIL

  20. chris
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:00

    jihad?

  21. topho
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:01

    p2p is going to go down, and it should, its been leeching off the scene for too long

  22. topho
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:02

    please go after tophos . org next pleaseplease go after tophos . org next pleaseplease go after tophos . org next pleaseplease go after tophos . org next pleaseplease go after tophos . org next pleaseplease go after tophos . org next pleaseplease go after tophos . org next pleaseplease go after tophos . org next please

  23. Derd
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:10

    XDCC Ninja Death Squads are coming

  24. Liam
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:12

    Very, very interesting read Mr. X.
    What I don’t understand is why the sceners are annoyed, when they preach about the ‘right’ to free media, and try to promote it as best as possible, but then go on a huge retaliation when people are doing just that, redistributing their work.

    I understand where they are coming from.
    It is they who go to all the trouble to get the movie, game, application, etc. Then to crack it or re-encode it and upload it. Then have someone come along and ’steal’(much too harsh a word) their work.
    Are they not(in effect) doing the same thing? Stealing someone elses work?

  25. laugh
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:13

    These so called ’sceners’ are nothing but a bunch of whiny little kids who have nothing better to do than to break apart the network their comrades built. What a bunch of idiots. They are trying to expose admins of large p2p sites, the kind of people who would have access to the idents of the sceners themselves. Idiots.

  26. FiXXeD
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:15

    Found this article via Goog… Its a slighly better info’d article about the start of the p2p attacks…
    Apparently Sceners attacking Direct Connect (DC++) hubs too.

    DATE:
    Tuesday, December 13, 2005

    TITLE:
    P2P Networks under attack.. from The Scene

    On Saturday, a notice was posted to the scene containing information about a swedish group called SMURF and a private DirectConnect hub with a few thousand users. The author of the notice complained that too many people in The Scene had gotten involved with P2P networks, and that these involvements was a huge security risk for The Scene. The reason, they stated, is that authorities have started to view P2P as a bigger threat than The Scene itself. The author then complained that members of the group SMURF was leaking releases directly to the hub (even before pre), and attached was nicks and IP addresses to people from The Scene involved with the hub, the complete user list of the hub (with IP addresses) and screenshots. This, of course, forced the DC hub to shut down. The notice also complained about people in the scene who only release custom subs, sometimes without asking permission from the group behind the original release.

    Following this, several more private DC hub was attacked in a similar fashion and an uploader to the swedish bittorrent community swebits.org was revealed. Now it seems The Scene is going after two more internationally known bittorrent communities:

    Warnings go out to bittorrent trackers including torrentbytes and scenetorrents, we have a LOT of information on both of these trackers, this is their chance to shut themselvies down and get as far away as they can. efterbliven which was exposed by someone other than us has asked for his account to be deleted on torrentbytes, shame that someone revealed just one person in 1 notice.. we got a whole list of irc nicks and ips for that stuff.. *scratches efterbliven off list* :(

    So what does The Scene ultimately want? It seems they want to cut all direct connections to any P2P network. They’re even going after members who have a site on one server, and a box connected to a P2P network on another server with a different IP. Do they want to cut all connections to P2P networks altogether? From the notices it almost seems so, but there are probably different opinions within The Scene. Someone even released a counter-notice:

    Nobody could have missed the latest events on the scene. Where a bunch of narrow minded,
    jolt-cola drinking nobodys claim to have full copywright of pirate material. So, I wonder,
    makes you think that you are any better than the average p2p-user? Just because you leech from
    ftp, and others from DirectConnect

    My personal opinion is that The Scene is overreacting. As they’ve stated themselves, the anti-piracy bureaus don’t care much about The Scene anymore, it’s the P2P networks that are doing the real damage. Another thing to note is that most busts to The Scene seem to be direct busts. I can imagine that crawling through a network of private DC hubs and torrent trackers would take some time. And what would be the point of rushing releases if it doesn’t go out to anybody, with the exception of members of The Scene, who one would think spend all their time rushing releases. The notices they’ve released so far give the impression that the releases should only go out to people who contributes. I have respect for The Scene because of the risks they’re taking, but if they remove all risks by not letting the content flow down the P2P hierarchy, then they’re essentially nothing. And surely shutting out all members involved in P2P poses a security risk in of itself. Some of them will probably be pissed about being shut out of The Scene, and would be more likely to give anonymous tips to anti-piracy bureaus. Although they’ve been shut out, any leak of information is a potential security risk.

    What The Scene probably should do, is have a few groups who act as accepted proxys between The Scene and the P2P networks. If done properly, it should pose no major security risk. Instead, they accept no connections to the P2P networks at all, making it more likely for members with a different opinion to upload releases to P2P in an unorganized and insecure fashion.
    ———–End Of Article———

  27. mkeezay
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:15

    this is just another example of sceners making themselves feel important.Lets start a war,first of all wars are fought by men not losers who still havnt opened the pack of condoms dad gave them on their 16th birthday.
    and it seems like they forget all there doing is modifying something that already exists, like if i change the words to a song that doesnt make it mine
    im on a couple private trackers and have never paid a cent,donations are asked for not required and i still have access to all the torrents (even if i have fewer download slots then someone who donated)that other members do.
    the only way to view something like this is abunch of sad little hypocrits who steal anothers property then whine like little b*tches when someone takes it from them.
    they claim its about security but put thereself in the line of fire by doing something so childish and stupid. are they really so naieve to think there will be no backlash i hope someone puts these sad little pieces of sh*t in their place

  28. Dave
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:15

    the “scene” hate it or there released to be public and shown by everyone for example a NFO by HATRED
    “HATRED does not respect any p2p networks, NFOrce or
    anything to make the scene more public.”
    that means they dont really want this site to exist cause we are exposing all scene releases and all that

  29. DaLoon
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:17

    baa humbugs , just have to go back to trying to do it all myself :( takes a lot lot longer but F them if they think there sh1t dont stink like the rest of us :lol:

  30. DaLoon
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:19

    ps, but if it scene only how it end up on p2p in first place? must be someone in there ranks that lets it onto p2p so they need to weed out the spies on there scene , that just might help a bit :p

  31. Unleashed
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:19

    They do what they have to. I was in he scene for some years and I can tell you we would ban any group members that spread the releases.
    The scene was never about spreading releases to the world. It was about sharing them between groups only. example: you have access to new DVDs, and your best friens has access to Software and knows how to crack. You guys exchange your material only between you and no one has a problem. But if your friend decides to put your ripped DVDs in the internet and spread it to the world, you are the one in trouble because the authorities will do whatever it takes to catch you, and believe me during those years I was in the scene there was major busts every year. So many good people in jail, so many groups gone. :/
    They only wish not to be noticed because it’s their lives and their safety.

  32. alan murphy jnr
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:22

    I dont remember Robin Hood going after anyone he found passing on his free food for the poor, so why have the scene turned into baddies?

    Sure if the torrent sites were selling warez then thats a bad thing but there not???

    Im scared im gonna hide under my bed til its all over.

  33. alan murphy jnr
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:23

    I dont remember Robin Hood going after anyone he found passing on his free food for the poor, so why have the scene turned into baddies?

    Sure if the torrent sites were selling w@rez then thats a bad thing but there not?

    Im scared im gonna hide under my bed til its all over.

  34. alan murphy jnr
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:23

    I dont remember Robin Hood going after anyone he found passing on his free food for the poor, so why have the scene turned into baddies?
    Sure if the torrent sites were selling w@rez then thats a bad thing but there not?

  35. alan murphy jnr
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:23

    I dont remember Robin Hood going after anyone he found passing on his free food for the poor, so why have the scene turned into baddies?

  36. Oh_well
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:24

    Dumb_dumb_dumb_kiddies.

  37. alan murphy jnr
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:24

    I dont remember Robin hood going after anyone he found passing on his free food for the poor, so why have the scene turned into b@ddies?

  38. FiXXeD
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:24

    i love this response to the article i posted above (#127)

    “The Scene operates by having one weakness in a media company - one people in a million leaks one copy, and a release group gets a release.”

    “Now, they’re complaining because it’s happening to them - one weakness in the scene releases a release to a p2p network and the p2p sites get a release. ”

    So true so true.

    I can remember when sceners were heroes, not spotty little jockstrap sniffers hiding in their bedrooms…

  39. HaxMasta
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:26

    I believe the scene should work harder and provide as freely more cracked/ripped content. :D

  40. DaLoon
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:28

    i see your point Unleashed hmm well scene or no scene there will always be 1 way or another for getting the stuff same as mpaa an all them stop this an that an block this an that , there always be a way around , the scene do the best rips of games an all that but there p2pers out there that can do well enuff so !!

    long live p2p an sceners an let the war begin , i am up for a lafe :lol:

  41. FiXXeD
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:30

    Dear Mr MPAA,

    We sceners would like to bring to your attention, the ‘p2p’ sites that are on the internet stealing our releases that we have stolen from the ‘Big Media’, they are stealing our media and making it available to other people saying it is theirs.

    Please could you shut them all down, so we can continue to make ‘Silvers’ to sell to the Russian Mafia, before they come and ‘take care of us’.

    Many Thanks

    The Sceners

    PS. Thnx for all the leeked movies.

  42. Bosnia lives
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:32

    I can download this is movie? Howda kualiti? Super duper or no no?

  43. LeFluff
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:33

    So.. why did you copied the artice word-by-word from Torrentfreak?

    http://torrentfreak.com/sceners-threaten-to-destroy-bittorrent-080107/

    (I know you will probably want to censor it and delete it and stuff.. but whatever)

  44. indeed.
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:36

    ppl from the scene are livin in a lu abre lusion tin dem a deal wid

  45. AerO
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:41

    this is very strange , no way in the old days would any sceners attack people in this way ,

    ok what you must remember back when it all started big time back in the late 80s with the amigas it was basicly the same as now but no internet as such; disk where not hard to get hold of ,i had 100s of releases ,so really all the p2p has done is advertise the fact , i cannot beleive that a scene group would do this , most probley the man upstairs with the help of the riaa, mpaa etc doing it , but then again i aint be in the scene for a long long time ,you never would have done anything like this and if you did you certainly would not advertise the fact that your doing it lol , maybe the scence is full up with kiddies now that dont understand the rules ,or RESpect each other like the olddays , i personnally think that these attacks are not from the scene they are a way for the riaa to take down the bt sites with out the months of work they need to do and of course they have to do it legal ,this way they dont and blame it on the scene for doing it ,i dont know i have great respect and trust for the scene and the people init and i truly belive that these arnt true sceners if they are what is the world comming too..?

  46. Projectil3
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:46

    well if you think about it,

    The Scene trying to .. Kill .. Bitorrent, or P2P. is like the MPAA attempting to shut down The Pirate Bay.

    in the end, they end up with a bullet in the foot.

  47. name
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:49

    That are very good news!! Destroy P2P!!
    Long live UseNet!!

  48. rqqt
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:49

    As long as aXXo will come out with DVDRips, this doesn’t matter. It’s funny to watch these folks digging their own grave though.

  49. Projectil3
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:51

    rqqt,

    I haven’t seen an aXXo release for months.

    where do you get yours?

    Hm?

  50. seethis
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:51

    “the day p2p died”
    …sounds like a hollywood movie :-P

  51. get real
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:53

    pig crap

  52. Mirked
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:55

    at last they are doing something. GO SCENE’s!!! im with you not using any p2p progs… <—props some here i visit this site for the news on releases ect. but p2p sux & is very insecure i use stuff that cant be commented on

  53. pr4wn4
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:56

    roflmao,
    “We have yet again erased another torrent admin from existence. Other Groups, do your part to make the scene what it was in the beginning. Secure.”
    the scene has never been secure. first got involved in the early to mid nineties. as long as humans are involved it will never be secure. i prefer torrents these days so you don’t have to get involved in the stupid politics.
    relax, enjoy :D

  54. h1pp0
    January 7th, 2008 | 22:59

    The scene hasn’t been secure for a long ass time. If I remember correctly, it was pretty secure before all the DMCA laws were passed. Soon after, crackdowns on the scene started. The scene had major raids against before bittorrent/P2P erupted. Thier reasons for doing this is stupid, makes no sense and will never make the scene more secure. Times changed… adapt or GTFO… bittorrent/P2P is gonna be around if you like it or not.

  55. rqqt
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:00

    @Projectil3

    From a private, elite, payed VIP membership on a p2p site. Where else?

  56. singlebullet
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:07

    I don’t buy it for a second that these are people on the scene doing this! This is just RIAA or MPAA at work, pretending that credit should go elsewhere for the damage. You don’t really believe that the RIAA or MPAA would go and take credit for this, do you? It would cause them more trouble then it is worth. Besides, Wwhat better way to assist in the destruction of the scene then to instigate p2p’ers to do it to each other? Divide and conquer— this is an old game with a new twist.

    My 2 cents.

  57. HotAngelPutang
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:17

    So the mpaa and riaa are making there moves within the scene.. interesting. Wonder how much there getting paid to attack fellower p2p’ers. This war wont last long..

  58. Wibble
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:20

    Screw the scene, it’s mostly filled with the REAL pirates who sell the stuff and funnel the money into other criminal activities anyway. I wish that the scene WOULD die…

    P2P’ers.. you know, the SHARERS, would get our stuff anyway, sure it wouldn’t be prerelease but we’d get it on or after release and we wouldn’t even notice the loss of “early” stuff after a while (we’d even end up cracking it ourselves.. BIOSHOCK anyone? even “teh scene” stole that one), and that way the companies might make more of a profit which might shut them up a bit. It’s in EVERYONE’S best interests if the scene were to disappear.

    Die, scene, DIE!

  59. ( ¤ Y ¤ )
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:22

    @157
    “Divide and conquer— this is an old game with a new twist.”

    An interesting theory.. although I personally wouldn’t give the RIAA or MPAA that much credit. You really think they’re that smart? :)

  60. JC
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:34

    Looks like Wibble’s the next to be hacked lol

  61. JC
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:36

    As for me, I’m 100% behind whoever poses the biggest threat lol

  62. beReal
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:37

    this article isn’t accurate.

  63. Jackie Chan
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:37

    i agree w/ #147

    The CIA does the same thing, using the mafia for (domestic) things they don’t want a connection to.

    I think the MPAA/RIAA/BREIN saw aAF’s comment & saw an opening. Psych-ops, corporate style.

    Scene is secure, you don’t think they actually use their own paid for connections do you? They use other hacked connections which they control through another hacked connection. Degrees of separation are what create security. But that also creates complexity, complexity which most of hte P2P sharers don’t want to be hassled by. P2P relies on security through numbers. Power of the people. The RIAA/MPAA/BREIN rely on laws & shame, on the public mis-perception of public perception of ostracation.

    Only through a larger audience will any “sharing” ever be tolerated. Media companies know that, which is why they’re pushing so hard for digital distribution. Controllable sharing, microtransactions. They know they cant stop P2P, so they’re going to try to make a more convenient system for a fee.

  64. Halo
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:38

    ?

  65. Wibble
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:41

    Lol, JC… I’m quaking. ;)

    All “teh scene” is, is a kiddie fiddling, porn distributing organised criminal fratenity anyways… screw them.

  66. HOLLOWPOINT
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:42

    Captilistic,non sharers.

    Unite comrades unite.

  67. Toni
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:43

    I wish we could go back 10-15 years on the internet, not so much god damn children and spammers around making a mess of things. Them good old days, you’ll never forget them.. I’m happy to have atleast experienced them.

  68. Darth Arcon
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:46

    Such behavior is childish. They didnt just remove the p2p from the picture, they destroyed the lives of these people. The LIVES. They have no other life to retreat to when such things happen. These REAL people are stuck living through the rest of those lives, haunted by what these self-gratifying asholes have done to them. There is no justification for that. Ill be damed before I see people praising what they have done! Nobody deserves this…

  69. who
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:56

    It has actually come down to this? LOL
    THIS behavior is what will kill all sharing.
    I have an idea.How about the ‘Scene’ worry more about putting out something that doesn’t need to be properd’ 8 times than where it goes.How about looking over outdated ’scene rules’

    Who made “The Scene” sharing gods anyway? Those who leech don’t really give to $hits who it is coming from anyway.Just that they can get by any means necessary.

  70. lev400
    January 7th, 2008 | 23:58

    get a life

    let p2p and shareing on the internet thrive!

  71. adam
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:00

    gotta say…. I agree, these dumb torrent and p2p newbies are out of control. I haven’t used P2P since 2002. I remember back when the “sceners” were attacking the aol “server/cerver” rooms like this.

  72. critical thinker
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:16

    Now, we all know that a few bad seeds will always reside in every population. It’s not fair to punish the whole of P2P network because of a few bad people.
    Both the sceners and P2P are on one side and already have a great big resistance from RIAA/MPAA. So why make the situation even more conducive for a total wipe-out of both P2P and Sceners by the hands of MPAA/RIAA. The only people who would benefit from this are these f*cktards MPAA/RIAA.
    We all want freely flowing data in the end which does not cost a cent. So peace guys, before we shoot one another over this.

  73. Not Stupid
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:16

    You know… I am glad #120 said it. I was thinking the same thing.
    I read most the comments about how lame the Sceners are against P2P and how “automatically” people here assumed negatively about them. There seems to be a very few that would think like #120 and I.
    I would have to think that this may be a NEW strategic move implemented by big corp IN HAND with Government(s). You have to remember, it would not be far thinking that this “black” circle would hire l33t black-hat hackers for near top dollar.
    N0085 listen up… Some of you know that the scene would like to think of themselves as gods giving us what we can not afford to obtain. So in essence, P2P and scene really walk “hand in hand”. Without us being thankful for what they hand down to us, they really have NO reason to do what they do. The scene loves the “Robin Hood” attention they get from us and I for one am REALLY thankful that they are brave for sharing such items. But if you think about it, this is just a ploy to create 1) Division 2) Fear (OMG I GON GET CATCHED) 3) Panic (See #2).
    I do not fear government (watch V for Vendetta people) and I am not easily divided.
    But a word of advice, Rlslog needs to start a registration “campaign” complete with user name and password and true secure servers.
    N0085, carefully read what the experienced has posted pertaining firewalls and related stuff. A sponsorship program between n00b and those with knowledge would be nice. It definitely would be the first of its kind.

    Everything with a grain of salt people.
    N07 57UP1D

  74. afterglow
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:21

    theres no need for that new sort of war.this sucks.sooner or later when sth goes out live it will be later found on these common p2ps or any new whatever u wanna call it network.bottom line sharing is what we should care about using any way possible.its u the end user that should pick out the way u wanna share and download.

    peace

  75. zer0drew
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:23

    You are all newbs, learn how to use something besides torrents, its only a matter of time before all torrents are capped by ISPs,

  76. a
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:23

    What kind of pathetic person would post someones name email, address and ip……….o wait…..Isn’t that what happened here at rlslog?

  77. Wibble
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:26

    Not stupid.. you ARE stupid!

    “I for one am REALLY thankful that they are “BRAVE FOR SHARING SUCH ITEMS”.”

    WTF??????

    The scene isn’t some bunch of altruistic Robin Hood types as you like to portray them… (mostly) they are the shady thugs who stand at markets and SELL digital copies of anything under the sun… it’s done for purely profit motives (you have to buy your way into the scene, either with money or more releases) and the money is channeled into other less savoury activities… they (for the most part) are involved in highly organised criminal activity!!

    THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WE ARE ACCUSED OF BEING!!!

    Get a grip!

  78. leet div
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:35

    ….so no one wants a waffles invite then?

  79. LOL
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:36

    LOL

    the only way they can stop P2P is to stop “stealing” things themselvesand releasing them.

    My private site got hacked over xmas and lost all its torrents, there was a mass upload week then….

    It wont stop torrents

    :D

  80. dumpydooby
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:37

    He was born one day after my girlfriend. :o

  81. Projectil3
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:40

    Paying for a service you can get for free.

    Amusing.

  82. AerO
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:40

    the scene was a non profit see wat i can do , but i agree with wats being said , p2p are taking massive profits from the sceners who do it for money , i mean why pay a fiver for a dogey copy of a dvd for a few $$ when u can d/l it urself , but more and more im certain this attack is not scene or not old skool sceners due to the fact all that’s really been achieved is an increased awareness of the scene.
    Practically overnight articles and links to articles about the scene have been posted on forums and blogs across the net, people who’d never even heard of “the scene” are now fully clued up. Yay!

  83. who
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:42

    zer0drew,
    Perhaps you are the newb ! ISPs have already started that and 2 have already admitted to doing so….to ALL P2P
    Don’t ASSume everyone here is using P2P/Torrent either.Thats just ignorant.
    Some are saying for others to learn to use other means.Well lets see.Someone wants a file/app for FREE, do you think they want to PAY in order to get FREE files?

    This is all lame and will pass over.If this ‘Scene’ guy really did do this then he will get his.What comes around, goes around

  84. AerO
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:44

    All that’s really been achieved is an increased awareness of the scene.
    Practically overnight articles and links to articles about the scene have been posted on forums and blogs across the net, people who’d never even heard of “the scene” are now fully clued up. Yay!

  85. Pif
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:50

    If we ever needed proof the scene is full of children…

    Also:

    >IRC (untraceable)

    PAHAHAHAHAHA

  86. scene
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:56

    its no ploy the scene cant stand p2p and p2p wishes they could be part of the scene, its sad

  87. yeaaaaaa
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:56

    I FULLY support the scene and ONLY the scene. If P2P die tomorrow, i couldn’t care less, honestly.

  88. Sopd
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:57

    Zergrush kekekekeke , p2p , ftp usernet or what ? i still think
    “no profit” shall stand.

  89. !
    January 8th, 2008 | 00:59

    ****

  90. Not Stupid
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:01

    Hey everyone… We have a troll and its name is Wibble. You guys/gals oughtta read its comments and see thru the BS it spills. ROFL!

    Granted that they are shady and “black market” material, but there ARE a few other sceners that DO NOT mind of their warez “trickling” down to where we are… P2P. I dont deny this at all, so I am really Not Stupid, am I now? Just critically thinking on my part and pointing out that sceners would NOT do this sort of thing to DRAW ATTENTION to themselves!

    Wibble is an idgit!

  91. !
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:02

    All i have to say to whoever said this…………

    **** *** *** ****** *****

    “p2p is going to go down, and it should, its been leeching off the scene for too long”

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THE SCENE WAS NEVER SAFE, THE MPAA MAY NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE BUT I GARUNTEE YOU IF PEOPLE IN THE SCENE ARE NOT PART OF SOME MAJOR CULT THEY WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN A LONG TIME AGO, IT’s JUST THAT HAVN’T YOU NOTICED THAT MPAA IS ALWAYS MAD THAT IS BECAUSE RICH PEOPLE OWN EVERYTHING AND IT BENEFITS MASON’s THAT THESE SCENE RELEASES LEAK, EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MONEY. SCENE DON”T HAVE TO GO THROUGH **** TO GET THEIR RELEASES. I USED TO BE IN THAT SWEDISH DIRECT CONNECT HUB, AND I TALKED TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE, THEY SAID THE BIG COMPANIES GIVE THEM THE RELEASE’s, Warners, Universal, and all of that! THEN IT DOESNT LEEK TO p2p UNTIL THEY GET THE GO AHEAD, IT LIKE CHINA and AMERICA, and Russia, WERE ALL SPIEING ON EACH OTHER!

    Note’s

    GOD BLESS BILL MOYER!

  92. Not Stupid
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:09

    Just a little add to before I go eat.

    IT’S ALL ABOUT MONEY!! SCENERS MAKE IT AS THEY CAN WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT AND WITHOUT DRAWING ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES SUCH AS THIS. THIS IS ABOUT THE RECORDING INDUSTRY AND MOTION PICTURES GROUP LOSING THEIR MILLIONS!!

    We as P2P support them by coming here and dl’d what’s being offered BY THEM (sceners) and some of us go as far as paying for accounts to UseNet and such! Think people!

    Now I am hungry.

  93. singlebullet
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:18

    @ 160 — ( ¤ Y ¤ )

    I don’t think they are that smart– I just think they have the deep pockets to hire smart (but unscrupulous) people who can hack this stuff and are willing to do it for the money.

    People here really believe this was done by other people on the scene? I’m telling you man, that’s just what the RIAA and the MPAA want you to think! When all else fails, these people hope they can get the scene to tear itself apart, since the RIAA hasn’t been able to tear the scene apart with their own efforts.

    A bit of history— when you had the famous Nixon era Watergate burglary that led to his impeachment as President, the burglars did all they could think of to make it seem like it was a standard burglary of an office. They didn’t want anyone to suspect that it was not really a “burglary”, but rather, an instance of political espionage. People attempting to do the ‘wrong thing’ always try to see if they can point the finger elsewhere :)

  94. Wibble
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:28

    Stupid..

    If you grant that what I’m saying isn’t false (which you do), and assuming that you read the word “mostly” in my post.. then I guess that I am neither trolling (btw these days calling someone a troll says more about YOU than it does about the “troll”) nor posting BS.. so I guess that “critical thinking” isn’t one of your strong suits.. care to rethink your statement on not being stupid?

    ALSO.. this is EXACTLY the type of thing some “militant sceners” would pull.. this kind of anti-p2p sentiment has been brewing for many, many months which you would know had you actually read some of the nfo’s. I’m not saying that it is unlikely that “the man” is behind this situation, HOWEVER, I AM saying that knowing the amount of publicity that this will gather and how easily it would be for the scene to refute this action, that it is FAR MORE LIKELY that it IS in fact scene who are behind this.

    BTW shouting “Hey everyboy, look at this”.. kinda sucks!

  95. ScytheNoire
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:31

    The “Scene” is actually groups who are basically trying to get themselves arrested by creating enemies. They are trying to end file-sharing.

  96. Wibble
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:35

    Quoted from a comment at Torrentleech…

    From the site in question.
    At least two members of CELLKiLL sell ftp leech, I find that funny considering they talk about being secure.

    Here’s one member..

    KENNETH BIGLEY

    23 W Haywood Ave

    Struthers OH, 44471

    330-755-4791

  97. blacKdeath
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:36

    I know a member of the behind the scenes (no pun intended :p) staff of SuperTorrents personally and feel that the people at ST by no means force anyone to pay for use of the site, I admit I do not know the full staff or even most of them but those who I do know are certainly not driving around in $50,000 cars bought with the money from donations. Like almost all private trackers donations are voluntary and on many smaller sites the donations either barely cover server fees etc. or the admins/staff pay from their own pockets to make ends meet.

    The larger sites however are a different story, isohunt for example (an indexing site I know), has seen overall donations for the site well in excess of $100,000 over just the past couple of years. SecretSquirrel got himself a shiny new BMW out of asking for donations. I don’t agree that these sites are right to make such large sums of money from what is essentially someone elses hard work (both the copyright owners and the release groups) however people are again not being forced to pay these funds, they do it out of thanks to the people who have provided them with the warez.

    I have no doubt that if the scene groups were to run in such an open way as isohunt does then they too would be making huge amounts in donations as people would rather optionally donate $10 for downloading Adobe CS3 etc. than pay nearly $2000 for it. But then the ’scene’ wouldn’t really be as ’scene’ any more would it?

    Long live the scene but long live p2p. Both have their place in the piracy community and both tender to different parts of that community.

  98. PBK
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:48

    LOL why dont these so called “Scene” pussies go after TPB? because TPB will laugh in their faces, thats why. Long Live TPB!!

  99. Wibble
    January 8th, 2008 | 01:49

    Blackdeath..

    You should go back and read the full story!

    Secretsquirrel paid for the car mostly (by a long way) from the payment of actual real work that he was owed.. and for the small few thousand $ that was a donation, he made it perfectly clear that that was want he wanted it for.. those who donated knew he wanted a car.. SS even posted a pic of it for us to see… The way you wrote the post sounded as if you were saying that it was syphoned off on the sly or misappropriated.. which wasn’t the case.

    HH.

  100. blunden
    January 8th, 2008 | 02:08

    @none [53]: I totally agree.

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