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Sceners Threaten to Destroy BitTorrent, “One Step at a Time”

SuperTorrents recently fell victim to an attack by alleged ‘Scene’ members who revealed the site owner’s identity. Further action was promised against torrent sites and today another tracker admin’s life has been turned upside down. The attacker’s message: “Destroying The P2P’s, One Step at a Time”

At the end of last year Torrentfreak reported on the unfortunate fate of Ersan, the administrator of SuperTorrents. He suffered multiple security breaches which revealed his identity along with the loss of $2000 in donations. Scene notices (text files carrying news/other info) carried lots of the gory details, with one ending in a threat: “cellkill is next”.

It seems that “cellkill” – the administrator of Feedthe.net (also known as FTN) has become the group’s latest BitTorrent victim, exactly as promised. In yet another notice with the header “Destroying The P2Ps, One Step at a Time”, part of the justification for the attack reads:

Many have heard of him, but have never spoke to him, for a p2per word of him has come far as the scene. [real name removed], the owner of another torrent site called FeedThe.Net (FTN). His Torrent site steals thousands after thousands of releases from the scene, and then he has the nerve to go and say to other P2P’s STOP STEALING RELEASES FROM US?!??!? ILL BAN YO ASS! But wait, how is this even possible??
[real name removed] isn’t on the “Staff” page yet he’s still banning people, posting news and running the entire site. Mr. [removed], did you really think you were gonna leave without us giving you a goodbye present? Guess again ;-)

The grim reality becomes clear as detail after detail of this admin’s personal life is revealed. His real name, date of birth, place of residence, personal email addresses, home ISP and IP address, places of education, friends, family – it’s quite a grim read. The claim that CELLKiLL is currently studying ‘Computer Security’ must pile on the embarrassment in spades. Family and friends who have also had their identities revealed can’t be too pleased that their FaceBook profiles are now public information.

Does this action against FTN signal the end of this ‘war’ on BitTorrent or will the MPAA and RIAA be rubbing their hands with delight on a regular basis? At least one other admin has been threatened for helping the admin of SuperTorrents after the original attack but there aren’t any more specifics at the moment.

The attackers left with this message: “We have yet again erased another torrent admin from existence. Other Groups, do your part to make the scene what it was in the beginning. Secure.”

My comment on the issue is that these persons who are participating in these acts of degradation represent only a small, arrogant minority of the scene. Within the scene comes some of the most talented hacking/cracking skills available, and these powers can either be used responsibly, or irresponsibly. I’m not to sure if the ’sceners’ here will actually accomplish their goal of making the scene more secure. The biggest threat to the scene is laws and legislation, police task forces and anti-piracy organizations who attempt to infiltrate and bust them. Second from this would be people who give out IPs and locations to the warez FTPs and sites that the scene groups upload to. Therefore, it does not make sense to find private torrent site admins and then give out their personal information. The P2P portion of the internet is more valuable to the scene then they think it to be, by providing a larger source for pre-airs, screeners, and other goodies. Until the anti-p2p pro ignorance attitude stops coming from some scene members, this ugly and unnecessary war shall be waged for long to come.

source: enigmax, torrentfreak | ftnobar-cellkill.1.rar

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  1. nutt3r
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:48

    I loled.

  2. JORZAC
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:50

    WoW.
    How can total strangers be so vindictive toward someone who was providing a free service???
    The world we live in………sad.

  3. mrborat
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:52

    im going back to using smoke signals
    n carrier pigeon

  4. zer0drew
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:54

    Death to P2P, long live the original, IRC (untraceable)

  5. sheridan
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:55

    im confused….so the people who steal and hack the releases in the first place are upset that others are spreading their stolen work..i tohugh the idea was to spread the releases not punish them…who is fighting who here!!!

  6. m1dnight
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:55

    that makes me a sad panda :(

  7. jdd0x01
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:57

    Forget IRC, lets go back to BBS’s.

  8. Samsun
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:58

    “His Torrent site steals thousands after thousands of releases from the scene, and then he has the nerve to go and say to other P2P’s STOP STEALING RELEASES FROM US?!??!?”

    These ’sceners’ are not too bright. How hypocritical can they get. They steal copyrighted material, make it available to be shared, then moan about people stealing. Hmmm

  9. knux
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:59

    This just shows how the scene is or has been… You get one person who gets greedy and then the entire system fails. My personal feelings on this is that someone in the scene is simply seeing this as a chance to take props that they didn’t do or this is a scene vs scene via a non scene attacker. Either way someone is on the inside and is making life miserable so our mission is to find this person and terminate ASAP. Let this be a warning to all that you are not safe with all scene groups as I am sure this is the start of much bigger event. I look towards heavy virus useage in releases and trust to be exploited with false release names.

  10. s0tt0
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:59

    at last they are doing something. GO SCENE’s!!! im with you :D not using any p2p progs…

  11. Ksawery
    January 7th, 2008 | 18:59

    wtf is the scene doing? isn’t this all about freaking sharing?

  12. noone
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:00

    I thought it was l33t, to be able to look down on this and smile instead of starting a war. p2p never threatened the scene, sometimes having even better releases than the scene.

    Scene groups using p2p sources.

  13. BaB
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:01

    People who steal b1tchin about people who steal.

    People doing bad things to people because they do bad things.

    People in little closed clubs who then have a go at others because they aren’t in those clubs.

    The irony of it all.

    See, this is the reason these “scene” people with mad skills aren’t earning BIG money in a big company, no social skills, no people talents at all.

  14. taski
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:01

    sorry. but what is p2p

  15. Darkseed
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:02

    P2P is GREAT! And some people don’t realize all the positive things P2P offers. I also agree with comments above. If you don’t want your “stolen” “Hacked” material shared, then keep it to yourself in the first place!

  16. OrthodoxAthiest
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:02

    I agree with @2… Wow… dangerous behavior from the “scene extremists” (for want of a better term). Outing P2P admins is risky, as they could encounter a backlash of resistance/attacks – not least of all from real/pure Scene members. The Scene isn’t the only group of hack/crack-savy people. They’re either very brave and very secure… or very deluded. It could be their details, and those of their family, posted next.

    Hopefully more informed readers can tell us whether the individuals outed were ‘deserving’. Regardless, family and friends’ details should be off-limits to any ethical person. Not impressed. :|

  17. Atticus
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:03

    Damn I really hate them sceners,,, but the p2p will never be stopped imo… there will always be people who will “give their last breath to defend it” (quote from: 300)

  18. Pop006
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:04

    You are always gonna get that ‘one bad apple’ syndrome. Someone or some group who think they are better and that their way is the only way. I say we send every hacker after the ‘exposers’, give em a taste of their own medicine…

  19. R1pper
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:04

    well, i love this warez scene war, its pretty fun.
    like the little fight we had,HATRED vs Razor vs reload vs dont care, its funny sh1t.

    anyway, hf sceners.

  20. You Know Who
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:05

    They aren’t proper sceners who are doing this, i know for a FACT it’s only dumb kids. They have only been in the scene for a few years and never even knew what the scene was like LOL.
    Kids go home.

  21. Darkseed
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:07

    P2P = Peer-to-Peer Networks

  22. American
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:08

    Ah, it’s probably one or two dumb whackjobs who still live in their mother’s basement and whine about the ‘old days’ before the world wide web when they could easily find child pornography online.

  23. stimpy
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:09

    @2 they dont offer a free service you have to donate for private trackers but these owners of the trackers are making a fortune. sad fact is they steal the scene releses then charge dumm asses for it that use private trackers nuff said

  24. January 7th, 2008 | 19:10

    even the title is funny. destroy bittorrent. ifpi, riaa and mpaa tries that for years and they have much better weapons in their hands. closing a private tracker with few thousand members is nothing. with their thinking, these scene people should focus on public trackers like TPB with millions of peers. but i highly doubt they will succeed in something what way more powerful organizations unsuccessfully tried for such a long time.

    this topic could easily lead to a very long discussion but i will just add one more opinion: isn’t it better to clean your own rows first? people uploading at private trackers must have some connection with the scene and if you shut it down, there’s no possible way to leak all the releases. but that is obviously much more complicated task than looking up few details about a stupid kid who spreads all his personal info on the internet…

    anyway, “real” scene roxx :)

  25. scene
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:11

    scene SUX
    one down, millions will be up tomorow

    and articles like these give them ‘credit’, simply ignore the idiots…

    oh a new movie…

  26. blux
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:13

    Seems good to me, a lot of heat is taken off the scene and the begging torrent sites get KO’d. Used to be most people downloading stuff were also big buyers of films and software and music. Cracking some dongle protection would take months and the people who got it would use it for personal use or creatively.

    Now these torrent sites are acting like middlemen, spreading the data to so many people some of them are just out to grab and run. Begging for donations and charging VIP memberships, wielding power like they own the goods.

    The scene is the only place where security through obfuscation works ok. Make people work a bit to get something unique instead of praising some 15yr old admin on a 2 bit torrent site for pressing “create torrent”.

  27. Eriol
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:17

    Who is the target of the sceners releases then, if not the ppl outside the world? They do it their friends? Then they soo called friends steals from them in the first place. Or to sell their rls in some pay/download ftp, usenet, etc sites? Then they are just fu*king criminals, whos sell their stolen stuffs in the street.

  28. dodge
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:19

    Ok, his info became public, but how did they get that info? Doing a “whois” on a domain usually returns all owner info, (address as well, although it might not be legit), so that’s not much of a problem for the domain’s owner i guess, ’cause his info was already there for everyone to see…

    So all comes down to sql injection or other bad sh*t you can and will do to anyone in case you feel that someone did you any harm… can’t we all just get along? :D

  29. iditax
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:19

    @ Martin (staff):
    No offence, but if a bunch of skilled sceners would really try… then no site would survive. High ranked/skilled sceners aren’t your average scriptkiddy, but skilled hackers/crackers with botnets/resources we can’t imagine.

    @ people who hate these people or don’t understand them, it’s simple. The scene is supposed to be secure, releases should stay within the scene and nothing is supposed to be made publict. So it’s logical sceners hate (see alote of nfo’s out there) p2p (kazaa/bittorrent/etc.). Their respected releases get spread out to total n00bs and insecure people. However alot of sceners this days are not sercure anymore.

  30. January 7th, 2008 | 19:23

    iditax: sure, they have resources to do this. but those usually aren’t real sceners but hackers who usually do similar things for profit (the connection between those two groups is for another discussion). and even if they shut down one site (which is usually just a temporary thing), there will be 10 others growing up in few days. i think that bittorrent in current form is undestroyable, no matter if you like it or not…

  31. Lolly
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:25

    It all sound very cliquish. The more people that share on these networks means that more people upload. It also draws more people into sourcing films, music, games etc leading to faster releases and better quality.

    Scaling down file sharing online is good for nobody but these arrogant, elitist arseholes.

    Long Live BitTorrent!!!

  32. Tom
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:26

    I’m sorry, but aren’t we all thieves in the first place? Why all this hate?

  33. Jan
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:27

    guys you don’t get it, do you? The real reason why sceners are against the p2p is that, because as their release is leaked millions of ppl start downloading it. Well imho till this point they call p2p guys lames, trash etc… BUT! Organizations like RIAA MPAA etc. are hunting them because THEY were the source of the release and in the end they’re “responsible” for damages which piracy cause well yes in fact from scene to uploader in every torrent site every1 had is “guilty” part but sceneres were the 1st. Well without scene there won’t be much to upload. Do you remember the situation about Bioshock? It hadn’t been cracked by any scene group and the result? Yes, someone with decent skills “from p2p guys” finally cracked it but in numbers this delay of 2 weeks made the Bioshock the difference between commercially successful and not successful. If the Bioshock would be cracked let’s say one or two days before official release, it woud mean that even the biggest p2p lame operating at piratebay or whatever could download it till let’s say till release date and then the profit is over.
    Conclusion: If sceners won’t be blamed for piracy in the first place AND if some p2p admins won’t accept “bribes” by accepting VIP status by simple donations this would never happen. Who disagrees?

  34. Picard
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:28

    These “sceners” are so immature.
    Pissing in a sea of piss.

  35. iditax
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:32

    @marting

    true it’s indestroyable, but messages like this sure scare admins, and maybe stop them from beginning a (new) torrentsite. I mean the RIAA and MPPA close down sites and give the owners fines, ok, but these sceners go way further and are (if you ask me) way more succesfull.
    the idea of a closed scene is wonderfull imo, I mean I see so much n00bs and insecure people these days. Scene/fxp/p2p is quite mixed these days, it’s sad. In the BBS age it was all far better, with nfo’s naming the affilsite and members, with the meetings. But that’s all over, the scene is insecure these days. No group will ever change that, because it’s worldwide and the whole way of thinking in the scene changed. From bloody serious and skilled to n00by and selfish.

  36. dublitze
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:34

    The future is promised to no one!

  37. Howl4Me
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:36

    I read the saga of the supertorrent.org admin. The scene is going after sites that ask for money just for the privilege of using the site. I see nothing wrong with the scene destroying these greedy fools. Some private torrent sites ask for donations, advertise and sell t-shirts in order to help maintain and improve their sites, but the supertorrent admin was asking for money (and a lot of idiots paid up the $10-20 he was asking) just for the “privilege” of using the site so they don’t risk getting banned. He was making a decent living offering stuff released by the scene. The scene is not against sharing, they are against profiting from other people’s work. It really is that simple. So down with those greedy private trackers.

  38. in5ane
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:39

    #4 said it best.
    p2p gets throttled by your isp whether you realize it or not. IRC is so much faster and more reliable. No torrent, or even any of these rlslog rapidshare links can touch IRC. p2p is for joe schmoe who doesnt know how to download efficiently anyways…

  39. n00b
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:42

    i guess this is what nerds do to each other

  40. Till The Fat Lady Sings
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:45

    Rule 1 Never trust a thief
    Rule 2 See rule 1
    Any questions.?

  41. Deathismypride
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:47

    @H00DLUM

    Get a life…..

  42. cedar
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:51

    #37’s right on point

    These idiots who are making money off the scene and contribute nothing can be taken out. I won’t shed a tear for any of those profiteering bastards.

  43. elc
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:51

    seems like it was more efficient to use the Storm botnet to take out the trackers instead of outing names.

  44. Tyh24
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:53

    lol

    my heart’s bleeding for the sceners… gimme a break… you steal, they steal, we all steal… who the hell cares?!?

  45. ghfhgfh
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:54

    facebook, lol

  46. jackstraw
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:55

    Damn kids lol..

    J.

  47. xyztynz
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:56

    I agree 100% with #38 Howl4Me, I think he’s spot on. Besides who really cares about private torrents sites that consider themselves super duper uber “elite”?

  48. PinkDaizy
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:58

    Good. How about those torrent admins now give out detailed information about the FTP sites they source their uploads from?

    This can get ugly. With insane fines and *prison* for both sides. What happened is a stupid thing cause the P2P sites under attack can take counter-action and expose scene sites. What the hell are they thinking?

  49. amperge
    January 7th, 2008 | 19:59

    No off topic just wondering why this hasn’t made the newspaper yet. You would think the MPAA and RIAA would be head over heels about this.

  50. Wolfmans Brother
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:00

    The real problem here is that the scener’s are elitest, they feel what they do is not theft of someones work but the sharing of the info among the other elitest. Like the hackers of the late 80’s & 90’s this is a repeating process. The old way never likes the new… our club is better, our version of god is better than yours… whatever rhyme or reason it takes to dislike or discriminate against others…. let them do their thing, and in the process let them perish… The scene hate because hate is truly fear… fear of loss of their identity, their collective… they fear aXXo, DXM, Leetay…. to name a few… true many non-sceners do rework someone elses work and claim it as their own.. giving no credit to the originator this is not right but at the same time gives others experience in doing the work at hand…. we mastered fire, walking, reading etc… by experimentation and trial and error… we were taught by those or guided by those who knew… yet as a species… we squabble over everything… I know that statistically speaking 15 people will flame me or call me some sort of idiot… because of this rant… yet do i care, will i go home and cry on my pillow… no… because like many of us who share here and elsewhere… we are above the childishness of the few who think they must defame others to feel superior… let them do what they must, but in the end… they are the ones who will think about it day in and out… not i, nor you… the best revenge is not giving one at all. Then you know 2 things are true… you are a better person than they who wronged you and that life is worth living and enjoying not spending every moment crying over spilt milk

  51. Crinan
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:01

    Piracy has no rules end of story if you steal something then it can be stolen by whoever wants to steal it next.These sceners don’t own the media in the first place so why do they dictate who does what.I don’t really care to be honest.This guy should pay the sceners back with hardcore violence smack them around the head with there own keyboards.I don’t give a monkeys who grasses me in to whoever but always remember i’ll come after you no matter what or how long it takes revenge is always sweeter in the end.

  52. steves job
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:01

    @39 ha ha haha. And so says the great, all knowing elite one eh?

    - you’re wrong and you know it.

    .

  53. none
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:02

    at the end of the day the admin of the site was being a d1ck, getting all high and mighty and banning people for shareing files from his site that he had leeched elsewhere .. he deserved it for being a greedy so and so

    & i dont blame the scene for hating on him or p2p users, a majority of BT users are blatently dumb stupid people constantly asking how to view this “file” and with what to open this “file” with etc etc even tho the answers already been posted 100 times! i think id be enoyed to think complete nubs were downloading my hardwork and moaning it dosent work when it blatently does

  54. QuadrupelQ
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:03

    This sounds like some kind of hoax, and I’m not buying it for one minute. Especially not since the source is Mr. X.

    If it was true, “next up, rlslog”.

  55. The One
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:04

    BitTorrent blows and anyone who uses it is a newbie and deserves to get caught! It will be the death of the internet. Uses way to much resourses and doesn’t give back much.

  56. wtflol
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:04

    LMAO!

    What next? They hijack next admins sisters email and demand ransom?
    I think these scene kids need more discreet approach…
    Hire a hitman, bullet in the head makes usually quite good point!

  57. Borderliner
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:05

    I understand the basic “share but keep it secure” argument, but isn’t it obvious that P2P people provide a “front” for the sceners? Why should MPAA/RIAA/BSA/whoever mess around with some highly secretive ripper group whose name most people can’t even rememeber when they can publicy hang&burn some large torrent site or some well known BT site admin? “Website linking to thousands of movies that you could download by just installing a BT client was shut down by the police!” is *way* more provocative than “police caught a 10 people ’scene’ group that made available 30 movies last year”…

  58. BabylonSoul
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:06

    I believe the main problem here is having people making some money out of the scene’s hard work, isn’t it?

  59. 262nos
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:07

    I think some sceners got their door knocked on by the MPAA or RIAA , but this is totally hipocritical . This reminds me : doesn’t this feel a bit like a “mob” war ? You stole from us , we’ll kill you , even if our loot was already stolen from someone else . These “sceners” are just being childish and are attracting too much attention onto the scene itself , probably they wanna get themselves caught . Peace . Secure scene ? Please stop me laughing :) )

  60. Metalfan
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:11

    My best wishes in their crusade againt those hypocrital torrent sites.

  61. RoFLCaKeS
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:11

    First off, this information is not hard to get hold off anyway, in any country.

    Maybe other then the ISP / I.P address + relatives information, other then that everything else is out there for the world to see, good look to Brandon, *hides in the corner and squeals with laughter*

    //over and out.

  62. JazzaNL
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:13

    Usenet FTW! Although id sometimes use torrents for those hard to find releases…

  63. primo
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:14

    Quote from the comments @ torrentfreak:
    “This is an interesting P2P sandwich, we’ve got the MPAA/RIAA pushing from the top and the hacker anarchists pushing from the bottom. Who knew the scene could get this complex and dramatic.
    I wonder if it’s the pirates that actually sell content for money who are really behind these “outings”.

    Right to the point.

  64. derren32
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:14

    i think some of you dont understand that the scene is non-profit. People who have p2p sites gain money from the scene. Thats why the dont like it.

  65. []D[][]V[][]D
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:14

    lol

  66. Anonymouzor
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:20

    hmm my post didnt show up… anyways.. im all for the scene hunting sites gaining personal profit, but sites that gets fair donations and use them as donates should be used should be left alone..

    as for scene vs P2P was in general, i think it will even out and we will have both except it will be one… ;)

  67. RoFLCaKeS
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:21

    @ 64: How you do know it is not a myth, of course Bittorrent admins profit from advertising and donations, etc, but how do you know the scene doesn’t sell content, because it happens all the time, sceners selling silvers to others and then writing NFO’s saying “Only xxxx can use our video”, etc.

    They buy the stuff and sell it on, they are only after p2p because they are paranoid.

  68. gav616
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:21

    this sounds like a credits war, “noo i ripped that and released it! not you, thats my illegal art work!” ect..

    *hugs* Kad network

  69. Heckle
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:22

    Mirror please? Sendspace sucks! RS! :)

  70. fr3
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:24

    This is a sad day for P2P.

  71. V
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:25

    This ain’t a scene, it’s a God damn arms race!

    .-

  72. MorningStar
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:28

    Darren22, if the scene distributed to the majority, the p2p groups wouldn’t be needed?

  73. Nunya
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:30

    I don’t get why anyone would want to change things because the fact of the matter is that if they try to take out P2P aka… bittorrent kazaa etc… people are going to turn to what ever still works which would end up being IRC which would make IRC get a lot more n00bs spamming and focusing more attention to IRC then they probably intended.

  74. noone
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:31

    OK everybody shake hands and go to your respective corners… we are all on the same side in the end. The end will come to quickly with behavior such as this.

  75. KRIEGHOFF
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:36

    Awww some one took their ball away, didums.

  76. Furk
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:38

    Is this a new kind of War?

  77. HollyWood
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:41

    LOL “p2p will stop” yeah along with microsoft and google…

  78. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:43

    So is it only the private tracker sites that are being targetted?
    i can see why the scene folk aren’t happy, why should people make money off their work?
    or do they have a problem with P2P in general?

    scuse the ignorance, clarification would be appreciated?

  79. HOLLOWPOINT
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:43

    Arseholes

  80. who cares
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:44

    hahahaa classic!
    now all of you are on notice!give respect where respect is due!@33 gets it, maybe you will too. Wake up, Time to Die!!!!

  81. The Hacker Near U
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:45

    For those people that think IRC is untraceable think again, what these people and company fail to see that piracy of music and games and all over things have been around for ages you shut one down 4 other open up. Their fight a fight that cant be won. Simple as that…

  82. melvin
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:46

    tophos is next, melvin and his sisters are going ot die, one allready died, adam gets married at disney wed, cant wait

  83. Ksawery
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:49

    long live the scene rls’es on p2p and other sh**! we are all here to share EVERYTHING (well, maybe not GF’s)… so wtf is this all about??

  84. ReS
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:50

    i think this is wrong, wery wrong of those “Sceners” to destroy peoples work, some work wery hard to setup a site and then they just **** it over, well i can see that if they litterly stells scene release that was never made to get to the public then i think it is some reason in it.

    how ever, i never use bit torrent cause it takes me to download a movie 2-3 days cause there is no seeders, or just only leechers, and when i have downloaded the movie in some hours it has a ratio of 12 or something, i mean wtf? i wait for 2-3 days so some leechers just get it fast and then just vanish from seeding the torrent? to hell with that, i like sharing but not just to seed to some idiot’s.

    i hate the way bit torrent works on public sites, and those closed trackers, i will never get into them cause you need to do something special to one person you never meeted, or know someone.

    i only download from rapidshare now, and upload, i love it cause it is fast and if you share enough it will never cost you 1 cent!

  85. tox
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:51

    Hahaha.. As some already said:

    “They steal from us! *cry* Hahaha, I almost pissed my pants reading these news.

  86. Wekke
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:52

    I really do not understand these people
    If they are in the scene and are upset that their releases got on p2p, well to bad
    I wonder why most of the stuff I want is being served on private trackers, and sites I do not get signed in
    If they think for just 2 minutes they will see that they are wrong to use some of their skills in the bad way
    Just do all of us a favour and stick with the things u’r good at, don’t go and screw people over just because they are just doing the things u do but in an other way

  87. Vizulize
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:53

    @84 If you had a half decent BitTorrent client, you could limit your upload rate. Limit it until you finish seeding, then get a good ratio. Leech first, seed later. Use uTorrent, it’s easy. If you have a client good enough, and don’t know how to do this, you’re a bit of a n00b.

  88. Old Lady
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:56

    Site owners that charge for access so you can get your hands on scene releases are the same as bootleggers. They only use BT as a delivery system. If it weren’t P2P with BT or some other file sharing software it would be done by charging for access to private FTP servers or passworded IRC channels.

    That said, publishing the names and addresses of site owners, their family members and friends is just plain dangerous. If one single person is harmed because of this, the person who published the names will be guilty of a violent crime. And if that happens you can forget about the RIAA and MPAA, because the FBI and Interpol with be on your asses and the least of your worries will be piracy charges.

    Even if they never laid a hand on the people, those who published the information will have made it possible for others to do harm. Ignorance of the law or the “unknown or unintended” consequences of one’s actions will not be considered a plausible defense by most juries and judges.

    The idea is that you could reasonably expect that the publication of names, addresses, phone numbers and other personal information would lead to financial damages, personal injury or psychological harm. Therefore, should anything happen, the original publisher would be liable as the instigator of a conspiracy.

  89. baks22
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:57

    scene extremist / scene terrorist = SCENARIST

    The scene only have themselves to blame. If things are “INTERNAL” and get leaked – its because one of THEIR members leaked it. Same with uploading to shared FTPs with other groups – everything gets out because someone in one of the groups decides they want to share it with non scene people.. thats how it happens. If they don’t want their stuff leaked – then they should get their own house in order – so to speak.

    Any scene group that does stuff like this and helps the RIAA/MPAA achieve their goal is a sellout.

  90. SenorBubbz
    January 7th, 2008 | 20:58

    @38, alright us joe-shmoes don’t know how to download efficiently… How about you tell us? Where can we find these so called “IRC” servers and how do we convince the elitist sceners, uploaders, top-site owners and IRC operaters to even let us read the TOPIC of their IRC

    I’ve been looking for good topsites, IRC servers and FTP servers for a long time… And I haven’t been able to gain access to even 1. So stop complaining cuz I get fine speeds with bittorrent, downloading 4 gigs of stuff in under an hour..

  91. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:01

    Hey excuse my ignorance again, but why should private trackers hosty site people be able to take somebody elses work and make money off it,
    The scene do not do what they do to make money do they,why should someone take what should be free and charge people for it?
    or have i got it all wrong, do the scene people have a problem with pirate bay etc,

  92. Unbreakable
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:02

    Pride comes before the fall

  93. r
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:05

    teh sc3ne is still angry because p2p cracked bioshock first, so they now act like n@zis.

  94. kgb
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:06

    I’m on many private trackers and have yet to pay any money.

    The people that did this really need to get there priorities right.

  95. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:08

    hey wheres my last comment?

  96. Charlie
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:09

    do the scene only want their releases to be seen by the scene so to speak?

  97. crimson
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:10

    just stop downloading useless nfo files with movies.. i consider them mostly as spam ..

  98. Zhico
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:11

    Maybe an anti-piracy group is trying to
    start a war between P2P sites and The Scene.

    Thats scary!! :-O

  99. crimson
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:12

    ah and @ 71 (V) this aint a scene its a god damn arse face
    -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucfKdukf10

  100. Harry
    January 7th, 2008 | 21:16

    “The scene is supposed to be secure, releases should stay within the scene and nothing is supposed to be made publict.”

    So what you’re saying is, the people involved in the scene are a lot like the people who work for the RIAA?

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