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		<title>By: Darth Arcon</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/scene-member-facing-up-to-5-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-341630</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Arcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@44
STFU already. Why is it dumb people like you decide to flame me whenever I try to post something?! You lack logical motivation to attack me...

Fine, Ill humor you. Ive been into the scene for 3 years. If youll notice, I said &quot;to my knowledge&quot; which means mVs was the biggest group I had herd of being busted. Besides, I get all my scene info here on RLSLOG, so it is very possible that I had not heard of them. And for the record, I dont really care about music releases. Any dummy with the right programs can rip a CD...

And on a side note since the wealth of your intelligence and logic is unbelievably insignificant, &quot;education&quot; was not the term you were looking for...though it does satisfy your context with the least amount of relevance possible for such a statement. So primitive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@44<br />
STFU already. Why is it dumb people like you decide to flame me whenever I try to post something?! You lack logical motivation to attack me&#8230;</p>
<p>Fine, Ill humor you. Ive been into the scene for 3 years. If youll notice, I said &#8220;to my knowledge&#8221; which means mVs was the biggest group I had herd of being busted. Besides, I get all my scene info here on RLSLOG, so it is very possible that I had not heard of them. And for the record, I dont really care about music releases. Any dummy with the right programs can rip a CD&#8230;</p>
<p>And on a side note since the wealth of your intelligence and logic is unbelievably insignificant, &#8220;education&#8221; was not the term you were looking for&#8230;though it does satisfy your context with the least amount of relevance possible for such a statement. So primitive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 09:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope Barry won&#039;t get raped in the butt :(</description>
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		<title>By: hobag</title>
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		<dc:creator>hobag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>had a chat with a good friend last night about piracy.

he was pointing the finger at me saying i download too much (cause i do really, but still not as much as some)... he asked me when i last bought a cd or dvd - 1 month ago. i asked him when he last bought one - over a year ago.

now this is tiny anecdotal evidence, but its a strong argument. without the early p2p sharers (yay audiogalaxy), i probably wouldntve got into music anywhere near the way i am, and wouldnt have amassed a ridiculous album collection. likewise with dvds - i dont have as many (its rare that i really enjoy a film, so that makes sense) but ive got 40-50 dvds of films i really LOVE.

admittedly i dont go to the cinema as much as when i was a kid, but to be honest thats because i CANT AFFORD to - ticket and popcorn and drink costs at least £10 ($20) pretty much anywhere in the uk, so i cant see how thatd be any different if i wasnt downloading.

lastly, tv - who loses in the tv downloading, really? its a small (in terms of demographics) group of people watching pirated shows, and if they like what they see, they recommend it to friends, family etc - the show gets a whole load of free word of mouth promotion (the most effective kind), and doesnt lose any money because it generates revenue from adverts or (in the case of the bbc) a license fee.

so really, what&#039;s the problem here? as long as we &#039;pirates&#039; operate with a degree of common sense and support the musicians and filmmakers we like, and delete the stuff we dont (ask yourself - am i really going to ever going to want to listen to/watch that again?), we&#039;re really doing no harm to an &#039;entertainment industry&#039; that is struggling only because it continues to operate absurdly top-heavy pay structures, and regularly throws money away on self-congratulatory partying/schmoozing.

btw - does anyone know downhillbattle.org? any idea why its offline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>had a chat with a good friend last night about piracy.</p>
<p>he was pointing the finger at me saying i download too much (cause i do really, but still not as much as some)&#8230; he asked me when i last bought a cd or dvd &#8211; 1 month ago. i asked him when he last bought one &#8211; over a year ago.</p>
<p>now this is tiny anecdotal evidence, but its a strong argument. without the early p2p sharers (yay audiogalaxy), i probably wouldntve got into music anywhere near the way i am, and wouldnt have amassed a ridiculous album collection. likewise with dvds &#8211; i dont have as many (its rare that i really enjoy a film, so that makes sense) but ive got 40-50 dvds of films i really LOVE.</p>
<p>admittedly i dont go to the cinema as much as when i was a kid, but to be honest thats because i CANT AFFORD to &#8211; ticket and popcorn and drink costs at least £10 ($20) pretty much anywhere in the uk, so i cant see how thatd be any different if i wasnt downloading.</p>
<p>lastly, tv &#8211; who loses in the tv downloading, really? its a small (in terms of demographics) group of people watching pirated shows, and if they like what they see, they recommend it to friends, family etc &#8211; the show gets a whole load of free word of mouth promotion (the most effective kind), and doesnt lose any money because it generates revenue from adverts or (in the case of the bbc) a license fee.</p>
<p>so really, what&#8217;s the problem here? as long as we &#8216;pirates&#8217; operate with a degree of common sense and support the musicians and filmmakers we like, and delete the stuff we dont (ask yourself &#8211; am i really going to ever going to want to listen to/watch that again?), we&#8217;re really doing no harm to an &#8216;entertainment industry&#8217; that is struggling only because it continues to operate absurdly top-heavy pay structures, and regularly throws money away on self-congratulatory partying/schmoozing.</p>
<p>btw &#8211; does anyone know downhillbattle.org? any idea why its offline?</p>
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		<title>By: NewzLeech</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewzLeech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 10:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aPC releases on NewzLeech:
http://www.newzleech.com/usenet/?min=min&amp;max=max&amp;q=altbin+efnet+apc&amp;mode=usenet

Just a cleaner link than in #11 with only a few irrelevant results (such as Adobe Photoshop CS3 for &#039;apc&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aPC releases on NewzLeech:<br />
<a href="http://www.newzleech.com/usenet/?min=min&amp;max=max&amp;q=altbin+efnet+apc&amp;mode=usenet" rel="nofollow">http://www.newzleech.com/usenet/?min=min&amp;max=max&amp;q=altbin+efnet+apc&amp;mode=usenet</a></p>
<p>Just a cleaner link than in #11 with only a few irrelevant results (such as Adobe Photoshop CS3 for &#8216;apc&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 09:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets stop this type of thing from happening by...all gang up together go down to the prison and break them out,if its like 10000+ of us,i dont think they will cause us too much trouble,the scenes need to reunite ,,,and take over everything

REVOLUTION!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets stop this type of thing from happening by&#8230;all gang up together go down to the prison and break them out,if its like 10000+ of us,i dont think they will cause us too much trouble,the scenes need to reunite ,,,and take over everything</p>
<p>REVOLUTION!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Senturio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senturio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 09:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Know the feeling, been to the cinema yesterday (Ironman) 
kost me 8,55€ for the movie and 2,3€ for a coca. thats 11€ just to go see a movie on your own :s.

btw thats something of 19$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Know the feeling, been to the cinema yesterday (Ironman)<br />
kost me 8,55€ for the movie and 2,3€ for a coca. thats 11€ just to go see a movie on your own :s.</p>
<p>btw thats something of 19$</p>
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		<title>By: Anarch!st</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anarch!st</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Musicians art is for public consumption, a good artist will always make an adequate living from their talented work. If Madona can&#039;t afford to buy more children because she&#039;s not hitting her sales figures we should not care. Nor should we care when copyright holders are denied their copyright holdings. That is not theft, it&#039;s a market dictating worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Musicians art is for public consumption, a good artist will always make an adequate living from their talented work. If Madona can&#8217;t afford to buy more children because she&#8217;s not hitting her sales figures we should not care. Nor should we care when copyright holders are denied their copyright holdings. That is not theft, it&#8217;s a market dictating worth.</p>
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		<title>By: fwiw</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 04:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^I agree with you^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^I agree with you^</p>
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		<title>By: cypher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cypher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 01:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how is it stealing if i wasnt even planning to buy the album in the first place ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how is it stealing if i wasnt even planning to buy the album in the first place ?</p>
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		<title>By: jorj uu</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorj uu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i completely disagree with 26.  most musicians i know are not greedy, record execs are.  musicians are just as ripped off as their fans.  

download their music
pay for their shows

i remember aPC.

a lot of grps seem to be going anonymous.  first they quit personalised nfos, now many don&#039;t tag with a grp name anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i completely disagree with 26.  most musicians i know are not greedy, record execs are.  musicians are just as ripped off as their fans.  </p>
<p>download their music<br />
pay for their shows</p>
<p>i remember aPC.</p>
<p>a lot of grps seem to be going anonymous.  first they quit personalised nfos, now many don&#8217;t tag with a grp name anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: kkpn</title>
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		<dc:creator>kkpn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having knowledge of multiple release groups as member in them since last 10 years and I cant say APC rings any bells. Well, you have to be extra careful or stupid to do any &quot;crimes&quot; in US cause even spitting on road gives you death penalty if it causes a carcrash :p  But yep yep, they can bust single or small groups forever, it definitely wont change the fact as all have seen since start. As guy above me says, there&#039;s much more concerning stuff that slacks resources, but its the money that rules all in this business afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having knowledge of multiple release groups as member in them since last 10 years and I cant say APC rings any bells. Well, you have to be extra careful or stupid to do any &#8220;crimes&#8221; in US cause even spitting on road gives you death penalty if it causes a carcrash :p  But yep yep, they can bust single or small groups forever, it definitely wont change the fact as all have seen since start. As guy above me says, there&#8217;s much more concerning stuff that slacks resources, but its the money that rules all in this business afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: DJWill_I_AM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJWill_I_AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its just another joke from the american government!

There is so much more important things going on in the world.. Like MURDERS - RAPES - WAR - INHUMANTIES!

They are fighting a losing war in piricay...

You take ONE GUY OUT - There will be 10 million people to take his place!

Just the the &quot;war on drugs&quot;  - They government &quot;think&quot; they can win.. But its a pipe-dream!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just another joke from the american government!</p>
<p>There is so much more important things going on in the world.. Like MURDERS &#8211; RAPES &#8211; WAR &#8211; INHUMANTIES!</p>
<p>They are fighting a losing war in piricay&#8230;</p>
<p>You take ONE GUY OUT &#8211; There will be 10 million people to take his place!</p>
<p>Just the the &#8220;war on drugs&#8221;  &#8211; They government &#8220;think&#8221; they can win.. But its a pipe-dream!</p>
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		<title>By: PorkChop</title>
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		<dc:creator>PorkChop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is not small time, idiot, for you not collecting music or knowing what&#039;s a scene release for 2 weeks.

aPC released some nice stuff I have around including some great breaks (plumps or freeland)

show how young and uneducated you are if you only know mVs as the &quot;biggest&quot; name when most ppl woould have said doa opr pwa...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is not small time, idiot, for you not collecting music or knowing what&#8217;s a scene release for 2 weeks.</p>
<p>aPC released some nice stuff I have around including some great breaks (plumps or freeland)</p>
<p>show how young and uneducated you are if you only know mVs as the &#8220;biggest&#8221; name when most ppl woould have said doa opr pwa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Arcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darth Arcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh, every time we hear of some scene group being busted, its always some small time that nobody has heard of. mVs is the only high end group I can think of that got busted, but he was kinda asking for it...I dont think situations like this pose any threat to the major scene, at least until somebody from Vitality or Pukka end up here...

My sympathy does go out to him. Dont be so quick to say that they deserve it. It is very hard to cover all your bases; something is always left behind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, every time we hear of some scene group being busted, its always some small time that nobody has heard of. mVs is the only high end group I can think of that got busted, but he was kinda asking for it&#8230;I dont think situations like this pose any threat to the major scene, at least until somebody from Vitality or Pukka end up here&#8230;</p>
<p>My sympathy does go out to him. Dont be so quick to say that they deserve it. It is very hard to cover all your bases; something is always left behind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry to hear.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry to hear&#8230;..</p>
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