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RiP OiNK!

Hey readers, this post is a bit of a strange one, but its something that i felt i needed to write. Basically this article is about my feelings on how the mainstream media handled the OiNK closure and by proxy view us, file sharers. Why should we care what the mainstream media think of us? Well because they can control how the majority of the public think about a subject. Whether you agree with my feelings is up to you if you dont feel free to shout at me and whatever else you feel you need express yourself. If you do then please say so! If your not interested then please skip this article as well as posting some stupid comment. Read on if your interested.

Although i am saddened by the demise of OiNK and although i know that writing an article wont bring the site back. I just have to say how disgusted i am by the mainstream medias handling of this event. Some may call me naive in believing that outfits such of the BBC should be neutral when reporting the news. You see i expect anti-piracy organisations to have negative bias towards ‘piracy’ with their press releases with all sorts of truth bending and ‘facts’. Yea and that’s fine its there job. I also expect sites such as Rlslog, TorrentFreak and other file sharing sites to have pro bias towards file sharing. As its what we love doing. However i expect news corporations to remain neutral and i know, i know nothing can be bias free but the BBC article (and there other coverage) on the OiNK closure really rilled me up. It is so full of lies and truth bending rubbish, that it almost made me punch through my monitor. Lets have a look at what the biggest broadcaster in the world had to say:

“Members paid ‘donations’ via debit or credit cards, ensuring their continued access to the site.”

What? Where did they get that from? OiNK members never had to pay anything to join, upload, download, use the forums, upgrade their status or to do anything in fact. Although you could donate to the site, you were not forced to donate only encouraged to keep the site running. You also didn’t get anything other than respect from other members and a gold star next to your name. No pay 2 leech here. Even when you did donate you didnt have to do it again, so all these quotes of people saying it was a subscription is so unbelivably wrong and stupid it would make me laugh. (if i wasnt so mad).

“Users were only invited to join the site if they could prove that they had music to offer, according to an IFPI spokesman”

Wrong again! You did not have to prove that you could offer any uploads to the site to get invited. You just had to be friends with someone who was already a member. Most oink members never uploaded anything to the site, only seeding what they downloaded. Simple as that. Trying to make out that the site screened invites of new members to those who would upload new material (unreleased) is simply wrong.

“This extremely lucrative and creative scheme consisted of a private file-sharing website being set up. Membership was by invitation only.”

The only thing that made my blood boil in this quote, is the word “lucrative”. Implying that he was somehow making money from the sites donations. This makes me so mad as it would with most admins. Although i know many of you think that we at rlslog make buckets of money of this website, it simply isn’t true. The servers that rlslog are hosted on cost around $500 a month, a figure that without advertising we would not be able to maintain. The money generated from the ads barely cover this. Now think of OiNK a website that had some 200k+ users and had no ads only donations. That’s all the donations were there for and without it the bills for the server would never have been paid.

Those are just a few of the quotes that really got to me. Although im sure most are quotes from anti-piracy organisations there’s nothing in there from pro file sharing lobbies, nothing that offers another point of few. Where are the file sharers opinions? Instead of just quoting anti-piracy statements offer another view point so the reader can make up there own mind. The state in which the mainstream media portray file sharers at the moment is a great injustice and something i think needs to be dealt with. One thing that really stands out for me everytime a high profile takedown like this happen is that the media and anti-piracy organisations think that the admins make masses amount of money from what they do. Most if not all private Bittorrent site admins do not make money from their ‘hobby’. Their activities are non commercial and loss generating (to themselves) they do it for fun.

In this article im just concentrating on this news post from the BBC but i have read others that have a similar the same tone and feel. Overall though these articles paint a picture of a site that was purely for making money from pirating music and was very cold and generally unhappy place to be. In reality OiNK was a great place not just for the great selection of music just the way consumers want it (hello music industry anyone there!?) but for the community, the people you met and the friendships that were made. Somewhere where you could talk about your favourite music and share that music with others. It was a warm, friendly place to be, something demonstrated by the ‘OiNK’ himself through his forum posts. You could tell he was genuinely a nice guy who just loved music and now he’s being made a scapegoat because the music industry refuses to adapt to changing times. I have fond memories of OiNK and i thank the admins and the community for giving me and others such a great time. If anyone here was a member and actively joined in on the community at OiNK you will know what I’m talking about. At the time of writing the BBC have taken down the offending quotes, they must of realised it made them look like a bunch of twits. I will miss OiNK a lot and i wish ‘OiNK’ (the person) whatever his real name is the the best of luck in defending himself against the bunch of lies they will change him with!

“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win” Mahatma Gandhi

Note: OiNK.cd now carries the standard takedown message from the anti-priacy organisations.

RiP

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  1. thetrickman
    October 24th, 2007 | 02:36

    According to what the media is saying, Oink was responsible for most of the piracy. Doesn’t this mean that they have won and their will be no more piracy? ;)

  2. October 24th, 2007 | 03:22

    Judging from the comments here we at rlslog have some very smart people, but what bugs me is that the immature dumb commentors comment much more often than the intelligent ones.

  3. boabby
    October 24th, 2007 | 05:26

    Oink was a great community, people who comment in a negative light were either never members, or they were the ones who couldnt get an invite. Piracy is against the law, yet the law is against piracy over murder/rape/pedophiles etc etc. In the end, numbers will survive, there are more of us than them. The BBC were obviously mis-informed, members did not have to pay subscriptions, nor were they forced to make donations. Server costs for such a site/tracker are always gonna be high, whether the guy made any money from us is yet to be seen, I believe he didnt, other believe he did, tug of war continues. File sharing, just read into those two words, what is the most important one? Sharing? Why should sharing data be ilegal? There’s a lot of people here commenting on something which they do not have a great understanding of, I suppose it makes them feel more intelligent, maybe they should “proof-read” before they click the submit comment. Get your facts right before you try to bring down someones opinion with your inferior knowledge. To all the real sharers out there, dont worry, be happy, sharing will continue as will the inaccurate reportings of the BBC.

  4. Triples
    October 24th, 2007 | 07:36

    I’m just wondering how easy to turn the low and order today to work immoral way. Especially after 911/01. And the West today gone almost as far as the East here.

    And it was not enough in OINK’ case. IFPI acting like a LIARS here and there.Dirty and ghandi.And BBC… how it degraded soon after downfall of Soviet Empire…

    Anyway I do not think anybody can stop my free access to the Culture. Yes I am a pirate and I am RIGHT!

  5. grossburger
    October 24th, 2007 | 07:59

    i completly agree with this post here is another poor attempent at mind control for the masses http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5P9OunKuK7mA2SsuxVrNqwea_Iw

  6. Joao
    October 24th, 2007 | 08:26

    In Portugal the same happened to a big site. And what is incredible was that the portuguese mainstream media said exactly the same words (literaly)…

    don’t you see that this is part of their plan…

  7. Joao
    October 24th, 2007 | 08:28

    and when you report news shouldn’t you hear both sides… so you don’t became the voice of one of them… just spiting out whatever lies they came up…

  8. reg
    October 24th, 2007 | 08:51

    yawn, yawn, f*ckin’ YAWN.

  9. ChrisL
    October 24th, 2007 | 09:23

    Nice article, very well written!
    http://enjoys.it/2007/10/23/some-facts-and-some-rumors-about-the-oink-takedown/ has some valid points too.

  10. macro
    October 24th, 2007 | 09:54

    @73 edwin
    I work 12 hours a day delivering pizzas for dominos just to make rent and utilities, and internet of course, which i then use with vonage for a phone. Guess what, they dont offer any health coverage hell we dont even get a lunch break, and i dont have the $200 a month for my own insurance, so think twice before you assume all those without health care are lazy. I used to have a great job in IT, seeing thats what i have my degree in, but it was taken from me and sent to india, and now i am forced to deliver pizzas!

    @48 johnny77
    I know all about the patriot act, but it is meant to only be used in terrorist cases, and if they think me downloading sherk the third for my kids is a terrorist act, then we are in far more trouble than we can imagine.

  11. lucifer
    October 24th, 2007 | 10:28

    @113 Marco

    I agree about the health insurance issue, I am a 14 year electrician, and can’t get insurance because I have asthma, and for those of you that don’t know, there is no cure. Just because someone doesn’t have health insurance, does not mean they’re lazy.

    I think the gov. needs to worry about future terrorist attacks, instad of spending the taxpayers money investigating and shutting down file sharing sites.
    Like Marco stated, “We are in far more trouble than we can imagine”
    FYI: This is the first time I’ve posted a comment and the only reason I did, is because all of the retarted ,simple minded, grade school, just plain childish posts I’ve seen on this subject. Most aren’t even about shiny’s post on OiNK being shut down.Although I feel strongly about freedom of speech, STAY ON THE SUBJECT!

  12. pesse
    October 24th, 2007 | 11:16

    i cant understand how ppl that don’t like piracy or filesharing can log on to rslog and comment an article like this? what the f*ck are you doing here then ?

  13. so ez a caveman could blow me
    October 24th, 2007 | 13:20

    rip rlslog.
    prolly be reading that soon :(

  14. Erik
    October 24th, 2007 | 14:27

    WORD! Every word is the essence of truth

  15. YeahRight
    October 24th, 2007 | 16:19

    May your mindless (and depressingly poorly written) tripe and endless pathetic self-justifications nourish you during your impending incarceration.

    Frankly you deserve ten years of hard time for the Gandhi quote alone. Yeah, trying to free a people from oppression is just sooooo very similar to “fighting” for your right to steal other people’s property.

  16. October 24th, 2007 | 17:02

    Thanks for all your feedback.

  17. Raymond
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:03

    Shiny. Congrats! With your post U have done more 4 the advertising budget for rlslog than the 40 post U did before this.

    Really enjoyed the reading of this discussion. All sides, some idiots and lots of deep comments. Made me think.

    As for laws: In Norway, if U find $10 000 on the street, U get 10% as a finders fee, no questions asked. The government understands that its the only way to make SOME pepole do the right thing. (Give the money back)

    If the record companies would like to survive the piracy age, they should concede and work out a similar business plan/strategy. Make it easy to do the right thing, (i.e pay 4 it), and accept that only a few of us would actually pay.

    It`s better to take a piece of the pie than nothing at all.

    Props 2 all!

    Ray

  18. jonnyBoy
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:15

    I think this got a little too out of hand. Jesus Christ people, yes piracy is illegal. yes people get prosecuted. yes OiNK got busted for hosting a site that enabled it’s users to shirk copyright law in favor of something being free (don’t we all?).

    It’s his battle to fight. Don’t start more with your comments.

  19. Pal
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:26

    I would just say … Its best to know your enemies. BBC is no friend to Pirates it IS the enemy..!!!

    As far as Gandhi his REAL history is much darker then the white wash puritan he is made out to be…. ummm he was a stubborn SOB. Got to give him that much….

    The truth is never on the surface… you got to dig deep…
    Sadly these days most pirates are just self serving jerks that don’t give a rats ass about anyone but themselves… it really is the nature of the game… the age of innocence for piracy crumbled with the advent of the internet…. Its full of money hungry crooks these days… Pirates have become just like the Corporate crooks they loathed in the past… Both sides fight over the $$$$ The rare few who cling to the old higher value are dinosaurs on the verge of extinction….

  20. Pal
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:47

    The only & real question is, “Will the corporations control the people or will the people control the corporations?”

  21. Triples
    October 24th, 2007 | 21:10

    Pal…it’s a matter of fact I realized BBC is my enemy yesterday. Thanks to Internet ‘couse TV I don’t have, I hate this stupid tool.
    Worse then that…what if I’m right saying…big part of (western?) democratic communities want to think…life goes on…Thus this public happy to see fighting between illegal (paralegal)seeders/leechers/admins and legal structures, together with govt authorities, rather then unexpectedly poor attempts to fight terrorism and currencies’ downfall.(?)
    Pal…at least music (phonographic) corporations can’t control people today. Because not so much serious events happens in music for already a couple of years. About junk I don’t care. The question remains: will the people control “cultural industry”? I doubt it. After 9.11.01 reality changed faster then I expected.
    And of course I’ve bought retail CDs of the latest King Crimson (Power to Believe), VdGG (Present), Bee Eno (Another Day on Earth), Laibach (Volk)and some of Robert Fripp, finnish Kluster, Trey Gunn, Harold Budd, Philip Glass and many more.
    Hm, a lot of whatever used to be in the air or on tip of tongue not long ago is going, today to deepstream almost instantly.

  22. lee welton
    October 24th, 2007 | 23:10

    In America, the people ARE the corporations.

  23. nobody
    October 25th, 2007 | 01:33

    Triples loves him some prog rock, hmmm VdGG, yum.

    I was an OINKster, in the segment of it that dealt in all out-of-print stuff that the corporations won’t reissue… lotsa clean vinyl rips, long-gone jazz CDs issued only in Japan, weirdo stuff. The people, at least in this coterie of devotees, were super appreciative and community-oriented about the crazy stuff I would put up, and I got a lot of positive feedback that inspired me to keep doing it.

    See, I’m one of those people that believes in Music as pretty much the last bastion of worthfulness on Earth, the last weapon of defense against the colonization of our minds by the quantity-destroys-quality attitude, and to me the world is just a better place if Grant Green’s “Visions” and Alice Coltrane’s “Lord of Lords” are available to those that want them. Certainly Blue Note and impulse!, once proud companies but currently being run into the ground by blithering idiots who don’t even know what went before and don’t seem to care, aren’t interested in supplying these products because they don’t see the equation in the light of cultural weight and legacy, only in terms of the phony $$ pursuits that have taken over the other 99.9% of activities on this fallen planet.

    I think OINK is being eulogized to the extent it is because of this aspect, the idea that you could go on there and score a copy of “The Sun and the Moon Have Come Together” by the Fourth Way when there really isn’t any other way on Earth to get one. It seems from what I’ve read here and elsewhere that the camps are split, with the people who weren’t on OINK being dismissive and “who cares?” about it and the people who were actually involved feeling like something important has died.

    Of course I am dead against the idea of pre-release material getting out on the web before artists have a chance to profit from their efforts, who wouldn’t be? But for me that’s not at all what OINK was about… I pretty much only ever d/l’d stuff from there that wasn’t really available any other way, and this I in no way regret.

    Just my 2 cents.

  24. Tim
    October 25th, 2007 | 04:20

    Thank you for your post, its what most ex-oink’s are thinking right now.

    Cut down one torrent site and 3 will take its place. Face it, you’ve lost this battle. Adapt or die

  25. Sod Off MPAA
    October 25th, 2007 | 06:21

    What makes the BBC even more hypercritical is that they themselves are funded by (enforced) viewers contributions. Any revenue or profits generated should be returned to the poor saps who actually pay it!

    Of course the BBC will take the side of the anti piracy lobby; they stand to lose their cushy jobs…

    Perhaps a news broadcaster should not be associated with a revenue generating media corporation?

    I say the fight should be taken to the industry – with millions of people wanting easier access to music and television shows which in the most part are broadcast to the public anyway. Surely the tables can be turned if it is proven how corrupt, greedy and talent-stifling their industry really is?

    One caveat, though – sharing of mainstream movies (especially prior to release) will never be acceptable, nor ‘right’. My humble word of advice to my favourite site RLSLOG is this: distance yourself from CAM/Screener/TS links completely. These are the BIG thorns in the movie industry’s butthole.

    Sharing DVDRips should be as defensible as borrowing the disc from your friend.

  26. henrygeorge
    October 25th, 2007 | 23:00

    @nobody – I listened to that Grant Green “Visions” outro on “We’ve Only Just Begun” about 50 times. To think that I would have never heard it because of some record label Nazis!

    Everybody else – don’t worry about the moral high ground. We all know that record label and movie people are sleaze. A copy of something has little intrinsic value. Copyright is an abstract concept that has no basis in reality. Rewards for creativity are rare in this society.

    Radiohead is selling their album direct download for whatever people want to pay. Last I heard they are making average $5 per download and they have over a million downloaded. These record sh*theads now have bigger things to worry about than some kids trading the latest pre-releases…

  27. nobody
    October 26th, 2007 | 01:07

    @henrygeorge: yes that outro alone could save lives. A big part of what it means to be human and alive is expressed in GG’s playing in those 2 minutes. I’m glad someone else read what I wrote in that OINK thread and understands why withholding that album is a crime against Art on the part of Blue Note.

    That segment of that song is in some ways a pinnacle of expressive achievement to me, and I feel that GG took the meaning of a song that started life in a bank commercial, found notoriety thanks to the golden voice of a girl drummer forced by her brother to sing, and vaulted it up to a whole other level with what he chose to play over those changes. This may seem to those reading this as a triviality and much ado about nothing, but these little things often form the underpinnings of what gives us the most sustenance and comfort in these sometimes painful lives we live.

    I feel that if the music industry doesn’t figure it out and adapt to the evolving paradigm of online music, many many unreissued albums (long-forgotten but tremendously worthy of reconsideration) will be lost to history forever. This robs future generations of the true cultural breadth and depth of what’s gone before, and makes us poorer and less enlightened in the long run, because like I said I believe that Art and especially the multidimensional, Vibrational language of Music is really all we have left. I hope Capital doesn’t burn that village in thinking they (the corporations) are somehow saving it.

    Thanks henry, you made my 41st birthday, just knowing that someone hears what I do in that GG recording.

  28. brett
    October 28th, 2007 | 09:01

    “Piracy” is acceptable.

    anti-piracy organizations (related to online music file sharing) are the result of a dead industry trying to resurrect itself in the face of its own obscurity.

    RECORD LABELS ARE NO LONGER NECESSARY.
    The internet is an infinitely better way to distribute music. As most people are well aware, the music industry (ie: labels and ridiculous government organizations like the RIAA) make most of the money gathered from CD sales. The artists get a small cut, making most of their money from touring and if they’re lucky, other merch sales.

    So here’s the thing: why are we paying record labels for advertising, promoting, and distributing these albums to us (the public) when we now have unfettered access to these albums on our own? WHY ARE THEY NECESSARY WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE A FUNCTIONAL INTERNET CONNECTION? The answer? They aren’t necessary. Yes, artists deserve money for their artistic contribution, but internet downloads will actually help the artists make money, provided they’re good enough for people to care. The more people downloading an album, the more people will appear at the shows when bands go on tour. Also, the more music people have access too, the more likely they are to become inspired and create music of their own. “piracy” is probably responsible for 90% of the good music released in the last 5 years.

    Furthermore, piracy protects us, the consumer against one hit wonder jerks like the Buggles and your Britney Spears/Backstreet Boys/Nickelback/My Chemical Romance type bands who release 1-3 good songs on a 12 track album and still charge $20 per album.

    Admittedly, if you like an album, you should buy it, but at least this way, you get a legitimate shot at hearing it before you buy it, the exact same way you can try out a computer before you fork out $2000 for it. File sharing has allowed small bands with talent to reach unprecedented levels of talent, while simultaneously reducing in popularity garbage acts like Nickelback and plagiarists like Rihanna.

    If you’re against file sharing, you don’t understand it.

    One more thing. I’m a university student, and I’m broke. Without file sharing, I would have heard literally 5-10% of the music I’ve heard with access to file sharing. Is this fair? Is this in line with freedom of information. They allow you to borrow CD’s for free from libraries. Is this illegal? How is it legal to borrow books from libraries, and to photocopy excerpts, and to quote them in blogs and papers?

    Just remember – all of these laws and these agencies exist for the sole purpose of sustaining an obsolete organization that, with the advent of high speed internet, is no longer necessary. do NOT let their propaganda fool you. You have a right to hear these songs. Don’t let them steal it from you.

  29. henrygeorge
    October 30th, 2007 | 00:28

    Happy birthday nobody, thanks for giving yet another reason to share music. The record labels can’t reissue stuff without risking a loss, we, on the other hand, take no risk other than being stigmatized as crooks. Essentially the chance of anyone profitting from the release is so unlikely that the music becomes obselete (strangely, often meaning that the music is actually GOOD). I think if we have the time and resources to do it, we owe it to the world to distribute rare, out of print, and unreleased music!

    It’s so typical to see profit as the only motivator in a captialist society, which is why sharing can be so satisfying. As you point out in this case, the irony is supreme: the worst Carpenters schlocky bank commercial song is transformed into a brilliant statement by an underrated genius, only to have it thrown in the dustbin by the label that probably encouraged him to record the crap song in the first place.

    Back to the song for a minute- notice that the whole band comes alive during the outro. Suddenly the bass starts hitting harder and dropping into more of a groove, even distorting a bit, the drummer drops in some more accents, and the vibes create a shimmering backdrop. I am guessing they jammed for 20 minutes!

  30. Tsuruda
    November 18th, 2007 | 21:04
  31. music lover
    November 19th, 2007 | 16:34

    Immortal Technique is a self promoting rapper who handles every aspect of his music himself, from recording to distribution and everything inbetween. He has used file sharing to promote his product and has been an incredable success story. You probably havn’t heard of him – that’s because mainstream media wont cover him, their are no adverts on corpourate websites etc. His success has come purely from word of mouth, easy access via the internet to his music and over all musical integrety.

    Technique and many others have recognised that file sharing can be a huge blessing to those artists whos art is not respected in the mainstream. ART being the key word, if what you have made is art then you want everyone to hear it, if what you have made is just another formulaic product (metallica for example) then you obviously want every penny for that product. These people have no love for the music, if mcdonalds paid enough then i’m sure Lars Ulrich would be happy to push burgers instead!!

    I’ve just used one man as an example, but many great artists world wide are having their music heard by new audiences due to sites such as oink. How can any music enthusiast say this is a bad thing?

    The loss of oink is a dissapointment, but in reality someone somewhere is setting up a new and improved site that will learn from any mistakes oink made, and this evolution of ideas will continue to thrive regardless of the money hungry devils that frequent the music industry and ruin its integraty.

    fairwell oink, you will be sourly missed!!

    “One love
    One music
    One people
    One movement
    One heart
    One spark”

  32. maninabo
    January 30th, 2008 | 07:13

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