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RiP OiNK!

Hey readers, this post is a bit of a strange one, but its something that i felt i needed to write. Basically this article is about my feelings on how the mainstream media handled the OiNK closure and by proxy view us, file sharers. Why should we care what the mainstream media think of us? Well because they can control how the majority of the public think about a subject. Whether you agree with my feelings is up to you if you dont feel free to shout at me and whatever else you feel you need express yourself. If you do then please say so! If your not interested then please skip this article as well as posting some stupid comment. Read on if your interested.

Although i am saddened by the demise of OiNK and although i know that writing an article wont bring the site back. I just have to say how disgusted i am by the mainstream medias handling of this event. Some may call me naive in believing that outfits such of the BBC should be neutral when reporting the news. You see i expect anti-piracy organisations to have negative bias towards ‘piracy’ with their press releases with all sorts of truth bending and ‘facts’. Yea and that’s fine its there job. I also expect sites such as Rlslog, TorrentFreak and other file sharing sites to have pro bias towards file sharing. As its what we love doing. However i expect news corporations to remain neutral and i know, i know nothing can be bias free but the BBC article (and there other coverage) on the OiNK closure really rilled me up. It is so full of lies and truth bending rubbish, that it almost made me punch through my monitor. Lets have a look at what the biggest broadcaster in the world had to say:

“Members paid ‘donations’ via debit or credit cards, ensuring their continued access to the site.”

What? Where did they get that from? OiNK members never had to pay anything to join, upload, download, use the forums, upgrade their status or to do anything in fact. Although you could donate to the site, you were not forced to donate only encouraged to keep the site running. You also didn’t get anything other than respect from other members and a gold star next to your name. No pay 2 leech here. Even when you did donate you didnt have to do it again, so all these quotes of people saying it was a subscription is so unbelivably wrong and stupid it would make me laugh. (if i wasnt so mad).

“Users were only invited to join the site if they could prove that they had music to offer, according to an IFPI spokesman”

Wrong again! You did not have to prove that you could offer any uploads to the site to get invited. You just had to be friends with someone who was already a member. Most oink members never uploaded anything to the site, only seeding what they downloaded. Simple as that. Trying to make out that the site screened invites of new members to those who would upload new material (unreleased) is simply wrong.

“This extremely lucrative and creative scheme consisted of a private file-sharing website being set up. Membership was by invitation only.”

The only thing that made my blood boil in this quote, is the word “lucrative”. Implying that he was somehow making money from the sites donations. This makes me so mad as it would with most admins. Although i know many of you think that we at rlslog make buckets of money of this website, it simply isn’t true. The servers that rlslog are hosted on cost around $500 a month, a figure that without advertising we would not be able to maintain. The money generated from the ads barely cover this. Now think of OiNK a website that had some 200k+ users and had no ads only donations. That’s all the donations were there for and without it the bills for the server would never have been paid.

Those are just a few of the quotes that really got to me. Although im sure most are quotes from anti-piracy organisations there’s nothing in there from pro file sharing lobbies, nothing that offers another point of few. Where are the file sharers opinions? Instead of just quoting anti-piracy statements offer another view point so the reader can make up there own mind. The state in which the mainstream media portray file sharers at the moment is a great injustice and something i think needs to be dealt with. One thing that really stands out for me everytime a high profile takedown like this happen is that the media and anti-piracy organisations think that the admins make masses amount of money from what they do. Most if not all private Bittorrent site admins do not make money from their ‘hobby’. Their activities are non commercial and loss generating (to themselves) they do it for fun.

In this article im just concentrating on this news post from the BBC but i have read others that have a similar the same tone and feel. Overall though these articles paint a picture of a site that was purely for making money from pirating music and was very cold and generally unhappy place to be. In reality OiNK was a great place not just for the great selection of music just the way consumers want it (hello music industry anyone there!?) but for the community, the people you met and the friendships that were made. Somewhere where you could talk about your favourite music and share that music with others. It was a warm, friendly place to be, something demonstrated by the ‘OiNK’ himself through his forum posts. You could tell he was genuinely a nice guy who just loved music and now he’s being made a scapegoat because the music industry refuses to adapt to changing times. I have fond memories of OiNK and i thank the admins and the community for giving me and others such a great time. If anyone here was a member and actively joined in on the community at OiNK you will know what I’m talking about. At the time of writing the BBC have taken down the offending quotes, they must of realised it made them look like a bunch of twits. I will miss OiNK a lot and i wish ‘OiNK’ (the person) whatever his real name is the the best of luck in defending himself against the bunch of lies they will change him with!

“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win” Mahatma Gandhi

Note: OiNK.cd now carries the standard takedown message from the anti-priacy organisations.

RiP

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  1. bananskal
    October 23rd, 2007 | 17:41

    Thank you got sharing your point of view :)

  2. .Transmit
    October 23rd, 2007 | 17:42

    wow someone needs attention with posting the same thing twice. Nobody cares dude! get over it.

  3. bajs
    October 23rd, 2007 | 17:47

    Having that Ghandi quote at the bottom is really tacky. You do know that what Ghandi stood and fought for, right? He stood for everything that was right. Piracy isn’t right. We all do it, but it doesn’t mean we are in the right and the corporations are in the wrong. We are still breaking the law, and we don’t have any rights in that regard. Even though you might disagree with the methods used in fighting piracy, and how it is portrayed in the media, it is still GENUINELY different than fighting for human rights like Ghandi did.

  4. RLSLOG
    October 23rd, 2007 | 17:50

    Stfu please. Why are you whining over piracy? Double standards. All your points to refute them are moot. If he was a genuinely honest guy who loved music very much, he wouldn’t be pirating it. Moron.

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    October 23rd, 2007 | 17:58

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  6. Armand
    October 23rd, 2007 | 17:59

    “The servers that rlslog are hosted on cost around $500 a month”

    I have nothing to say about the piggy site, but man …$500 per month is a lot of money for the visitor numbers you have. It seems to me that you should consider switching to another host (if one is willing to accept).

    Um… on a second thought I have something to say about OiNK.

    “Implying that he was somehow making money from the sites donations. This makes me so mad as it would with most admins. Although i know many of you think that we at rlslog make buckets of money of this website, it simply isnt true.”

    Can you prove that he wasn’t making money?? That site WAS NOT rlslog; if one admin doesn’t make money it doesn’t mean that every other one is in the same situation.

    Seems to me that you’re not only biased towards file-sharing, but attached to it. This makes your opinion very irrelevant. :)

    PS: I’m not taking sides.

  7. MPAA
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:00

    RIP rlslog in advance !

    MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

  8. October 23rd, 2007 | 18:01

    Ghandi is not the right name. It’s Gandhi. Ghandi/gandi means dirty. Please edit.

  9. jack white
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:02

    The big music corparations can go and fu*k themselves, They have been price fixing and ripping us off for years not to mention ripping off the actual artists that make the music in the first place. I dont know how anyone can stick up for these bunch of greedy leeches. alls they do is make absolute huge sums of cash for their board members and shareholders. Do you actually think they care about the artists? if you do then you are very very nieve. They say piracy is killing the music industry, what a load of old tosh. The only thing that is killing the music industry are the greedy corparations running it in to the ground for maximum profits. And anyone whinging about piracy on this website should fu*k off elsewhere becuse we definatly dont want to hear your bandwagon bullsh*t.

  10. blues
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:04

    i agree with you 100% and good post shiny

  11. to-bajs
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:04

    to bajs (#4)

    You realise that Ghandi was imprisoned multiple times? Because he behaved according to law? I’m not saying the quote fits the subject but that it’s a matter of point of view what is right and what is not.

  12. Armand
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:05

    And since you quoted Ghandi, I’d like to share with you a quote from a recent essay by Dalai Lama, published 21 October 2007 in “The Washington Post.”

    “A scientist from Chile once told me that it is inappropriate for a scientist to be attached toward his particular field of study, since that would undermine his objectivity. I am a Buddhist practitioner, but if I mix up my devotion for Buddhism with an attachment to it, my mind will be biased toward it. A biased mind never sees the complete picture, and any action that results from such a state of mind will not be in tune with reality.” – The Dalai Lama

  13. Armand
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:23

    Edit for #13: the 5th word: Gandhi. The rush…

  14. Crinan
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:26

    The public don’t bother me and how they feel is irelivant.I like some drug dealers,criminals ect ect there honest hard working people they just do some stuff that some people don’t agree with and some do like me.I never Oinked before and i sure as hell aint gonna Oink now so im happy are you happy who cares.My local cop shop they oink all the time its just a pitty we cant eat them.

  15. TRON
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:26

    You girls need to get laid, and stop quoting idiotic stuff from false prophets. Anywho, anyone seen the R5 of No Reservations? It was supposed to be released today.

  16. osamabinladen
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:32

    nice one shiny

    @ #2 (transmit) This sort of thing affects us all and some of us (especially those with more than half a brain) do care what happens regarding both to tracker sites under attack from the feds and also the blatant lies and propaganda spewed out by the media

  17. bako1
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:35

    @7 hilarious lol

  18. youknow
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:41

    Are you serious? Is this article serious Shiny? Hahahahahahaha.

  19. Tim
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:46

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Copyright-Piracy.html

    Of course, no one is threatened by President Bush – but what happens when we get a real president?

    I was wondering if anyone here thinks we will see more raids and arrests in the following months – after both OINK and TVLINKS were taken down. Of course these raids are only symbolic – anyone with half a brain and google can find any link they want – but still what message are they sending about the future?

  20. John the Johntonian
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:48

    “Always forgive your enemies. That’s what they hate the most.” – Abraham Lincoln.

  21. Tesco Value
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:49

    The guy arrested was not hosting files. Donations could have been made(if you did not have music files/URLs to share) so that you could become a member. It was practically a meeting place for members to get together with other members who had the links. He was the middle man. Very grey area to be arrested for.

  22. Z
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:52

    anybody remember the ghandi skit on that movie UHF where he had a Ferrari and a machine gun? That was awesome.

  23. BaB
    October 23rd, 2007 | 18:54

    Filesharers break the law, simple as that.
    If you have a problem with the laws of your country you should be out demonstrating, changing them but it is easier to watch 9/11 dvds at home and moan about how us law breakers keep feeling the arm of the law, isn’t it?
    This whole post comes from the same place all the moaning about other sites ripping off rlslog, when you partake in this activity you have no recourse when you get caught, used and abused. You knew what you were getting into.
    You simply have to swallow what comes because that is the choice you make, the choice we all make, it is no different from shoplifting, do it and pay when caught, that is what you accept when you decide to do it.
    I am here because I live in a country that wont show you what is in a box, wont let you hear what is in a box, wont let you find out if it will work when you get it home and if you open it you can not take it back.
    While that is the case and the companies keep ripping me off I will continue to download but guess what, that is a choice I MADE.
    Get off your backsides and change the country you live in or stop moaning about how the world outside your door isn’t the one you can’t be bothered making.
    Lazy is what that is.

  24. macro
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:01

    I know the risks i take every time i seed or leech, but im old school in thinking, ill download a movie or a song, and i might even burn the movie or song, but if i REALLY enjoy it, ill buy the dvd with all the extras because the movie or whatever interests me that much. Is it right for me to have to pay $20 for a cd with one song i like on it? Some might say to do the pay per download, but at $1, id still be paying the exact same price for the whole cd if i got every song on it, maybe even more.

    This whole thing just stinks of the Kevin Mitnick pursuit, taking a generally good person whos only real crime is just wanting to know and making him public enemy #1, while murders and rapists run ramped on the streets with little to no coverage. I know the risks i take, and i take them for the simple fact i wont be a corporate puppet, and make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

  25. Woznick
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:12

    @ Shiny

    Look man I respect you for firing off this post. BBC don’t matter man, put them in the context of what’s written below and take heart:

    From my own perspective, we’re living right now in the 2nd stage of Internet. The next generation will look back on this 2nd stage of Internet as `the heyday’, before things went bad.

    Its obvious as anyone can see we’re moving to Internet stage 3. Look at what Vista is blocking, for example. M$ tried as hard as they could to take all media sharing capability away from Vista, and that’s just the beginning. We’re moving into an age of civil war, global civil war. On one side, the legitimate users who don’t mind having Identity Cards and someone watching their every move, monitoring every blink of their IP (I estimate 60-65% of all Internet users are like this).

    On the other side, we could generalise and say the pirates, the sharers, the underground or `dark side’ of the Net. (I don’t like `dark side’ cos its a bad description; all the way since BBS and FidoNet, to Razor and Fairlight, to Mitnick and Bram Cohen, its been `dark side’ who’s been doing the most interesting creative things on the Web.)

    So there’s coming civil war, a global civil war, and I say bring it on! OK, we could look back at these days as the heyday of the Internet, when it was possible to be free file-sharers and do what we liked, but you know I think it’s the phase AFTER the next one where it gets really interesting.

    At the end of Internet Stage 3 is where the `dark side’ gets some teeth and where we see alternatives to the `usual suspect’ ISPs. Right now, the weakest decision you ever made was in choosing your ISP. Your ISP holds more info on you than your Government and Google combined. We’re soon going to be seeing the death of proxy as we know it and a new type of ISP, which goes back to the origins of phreaking. Bandwidth is currency, but bandwidth is soon gonna be free.

    Over time, the pirate `dark side’ of the Internet is gonna get weakened, maybe come down to 10-15% of all use. But it will be the strongest part of overall Internet use because its the most creative, this is where the real ideas come from. And usually not for profit, in keeping with all the good history of online.

    When the pirates are at their lowest %, the battle is at its strongest, the fighting at its most intense. Because of the risk. Right now, there’s no real risk in single-user P2P or RS or torrent, but there will be. Soon. And when the risk comes, that’s great, because THERE SIMPLY ARE NOT ENOUGH PRISON SPACES out there OR ENOUGH MONEY IN THE SYSTEM to fight us. Even at 15%. Bring it on, I say.

    What are they gonna do, in the middle of the battle? They can’t arrest us all, take us all down, there aren’t enough people and there isn’t enough money in the system to kill us off – and, truth be told, they don’t want to kill us off, because they need our creativity, our innovation, our ideas.

    RESIST. KEEP RESISTING.

    After the dark years ahead, we finally have a free Internet because we will have created a world that can sustain it, a world where corps and government are capped at a certain level – by us.

    You always have to go through pain to get where you want. I’m warning you, it’s going to be painful in the next stage and many of the kiddies and RS leeches will drop off. Good. We don’t need their kind. They aren’t any help. Yes, it may be lonely up ahead. But we’re going somewhere good you guys. Just mark my words.

  26. Rad
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:18

    “Having that Ghandi quote at the bottom is really tacky. You do know that what Ghandi stood and fought for, right? He stood for everything that was right. Piracy isn’t right. We all do it, but it doesn’t mean we are in the right and the corporations are in the wrong. We are still breaking the law, and we don’t have any rights in that regard. Even though you might disagree with the methods used in fighting piracy, and how it is portrayed in the media, it is still GENUINELY different than fighting for human rights like Ghandi did.”

    Gandhi broke the law too for ur info, he fought against the atrocities of the british empire by breaking laws

    Imo Oink was a society too, ppl sharing stuff b/w themselves

    P.S Its gandhi not ghandi

  27. f1sh
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:20

    anyone knows other Torrent sites for music? :) thanks in advance

  28. Calico Jack
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:23

    Downloading Music is not stealing.Music is made my musicians and managed by record companies. Most young kid’s I know, buy there music as its harder to find for them. These kid’s are the future and I see them actively going to live gig’s and buying music.This must be a good thing for music.

    Bands must work harder and make more music- The clash over 10 years ago were releasing triple album’s Double Albums. Most Double albums today are DJ mixes.

    Sending Interpol to shut down a online cool site like oink makes me f.angry! The Time/Money/Energy into this Ongoing investigation is a total waste, the money comes from public taxes ie Us.

  29. cabra
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:28

    nice, we got ourselves a prophet!

  30. deaconthorn
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:30

    Since previous comments included inspiring quotes from famous philosophers, let me add one more…

    “Be somebody, or be somebody’s fool” – Mr T.

    But seriously, I thought the Internet was created for the free exchange of data from peer to peer. I see no wrong in what I am doing, which is obtaining data.

    More and more each day, cable companies are switching to Digital, which is basicly digital data which is converted by a set-top box. Computers do that when we download a file and watch it with our favorite viewing program.

    Nobody gets any flak whenever people record the latest South Park with a DVD recorder to view later, but if we download the very same episode of said program and burn it to view it later, the Feds could knock down the door, take us to jail, and throw away the key.

    Why? It’s data, digitally stored. It’s just the way it’s obtained.

    I do believe in the free exchange of data, that’s why I do the things I do.

    I like getting my rare film, and my Doctor Who (Season three’s finale was so ripped apart by Sci-Fi. My advice: view it by torrent), and my BLEACH episodes. I see nothing wrong in getting those online.

    And since total High Def broadcasting is less than a year and a half away, and you have to get a recorder with a HD tuner in order to record those programs, there will be more recording of Digital data than ever before.

    Digital Copying will just be more prevailant in the coming years so why doesn’t the Feds just realize to lay off their double standard practices, leave the small fish alone, and get on with more important things, like trying to invent cures for diseases, or how to be more prompt in sending help when disaster strikes, or discovering what really is wrong with the national budget.

    Anyways, I’ll let someone get on the soapbox for a while.

    Thanks for listening.

  31. filemp3.org
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:34

    http://www.filemp3.org is the best man …

  32. macro
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:35

    Oh i missed one point i wanted to make.

    I live in the USA, here law enforcement cant tap your phone and intercept or monitor calls without a warrant, they have to have pre-existing evidence in order to obtain a warrant.

    That being said, the same applies for internet use, they can not intercept or monitor downloads or uploads without a warrent, and the isp history is currently protected under privacy laws so the ISP can not disclose that information without a warrent, and if they give it willingly that evidence is not admissible in court, because it was obtained illegally because it violates said privacy laws. The reason the industry has had such success is through fear and threat, very few cases go to court, and those that do many are thrown out due to lack of evidence, the recent court ruling of the $200,000 fine consists of extenuating evidence that we are not aware of. Most likely a witness that turned again under threat and fear.

    Point being, if you are one of the few unlucky to be prosecuted, make sure you brush up on the laws of your country before you strike a deal.

  33. kanenas
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:35

    You know, I can’t believe all this crap i read in the comments about how piracy is wrong and illegal and bla bla bla, Shiny simply tried to express his frustration with the BBC which is not supposed to take sides and decide whats right or wrong for their readers but state facts (or at least check them) and let them decide. Simply presenting what the anti-piracy organisations say without verifying whether its true, should not be the case, but then again CNN’s slogan at one point was “The Most Trusted Name in News” !!!!!!!!!

  34. nicusarpe
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:35

    yes filemp3.org is the best for now

  35. L0L
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:38

    I have one thing to say: Who cares? (apart from you obviously)

    Site breaks law. Site shut down. Site owner arrested. OiNK=fried bacon.

    Why are you still crying about it, and why must the bbc give a feck about the details either (personally I do not think it makes a difference or anyone actually gives a toss if you had to pay to join etc… main thing is the site is down, and that is the news.)

    Sharing will go on and PLEASE people don’t make this into a goddam religion… we share music because its free, and convenient for us… not because we are budding “che-guevara’s etc” (well maybe some of you believe you are) or we are “fighting back against the system”…. stop with the preaching please, some of the comments here actually made me laugh at how fanatical people have become.

  36. peenis
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:39

    filemp3 sucks ballz, kazaa is best!!!!!!

  37. L0L
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:40

    hey, just disregard my earlier post, I realise I’m a douche :)

  38. Cedge
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:41

    @ deaconthorn:

    Wow. That was one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.

    Yeah, the end result is the same, but there is a big legal difference between watching a show on cable, and downloading it off bittorrent (with the ads cut out).

  39. tw@ttyface
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:42

    @ Cedge 41

    Erm Tivo cuts out ads n records to DvD

  40. Stay_At_Home_Mom
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:45

    I’m on welfare cos I got 15 kids of various different colors, but my point is my only home entertainment for all these kids is my comp and without torrents they wouldn’t get any education or real life … so Mister George Bush, f.u.c.k you

  41. Stay_At_Home_Mom
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:47

    Y.e.a.h. G.e.o.r.g.e. B.u.s.h. f.u.c.k. y.o.u.

    Y.o.u. G.a.y. C.h.i.m.p.

  42. Stay_At_Home_Mom
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:48

    I didn’t say that, that was someone else.

  43. Stay_At_Home_Mom
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:49

    N.o. I.t. W.a.s.n.t. B.i.t.c.h.

  44. Stay_At_Home_Mom
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:50

    Erm yes. It was.

  45. johnny77
    October 23rd, 2007 | 19:50

    @35 macro:

    You’re wrong. They can tap your phone anytime they feel like.

    Patriot Act. Look it up.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

    If they think you’re a terrorist or in a fishy business, they can do whatever they please without a warrant.

    Your point is invalid.

  46. The real L0L
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:03

    Wow, very mature.. just because you don’t agree with my point, lets start taking the piss. Absoulte tard.

  47. m
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:04

    everyone pretending oink was the only music torrent site for some reason……………..

  48. neo
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:09

    no, it was just the best

  49. neo
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:14

    arresting 1 out of 200k+ people isnt gonna do much. someone will just resurrect a new site in place of oink anyways, thats how it works.
    they cant 100% monitor everything, and we wont 100% give up.

  50. Joshfryguy
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:19

    This is like loosing a member of the family. Oink was the best music torrent site I had ever come across. There are many music torrenting sites but there will never be one that will be able to fill the shoes of Oink.
    I feel that, though you can be outraged, you cannot be surprised that the mainstream conservative media takes a bias on piracy/filesharing. Would you really expect them to be neutral in this issue? Have you know the media to be neutral in other areas?

  51. simpsons225
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:21

    Some day all these anti-piracy groups will get what they deserve…

  52. Bolt656
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:23

    Thank goodness the British police force is investing so much time, money and effort into catching these hardened criminals who are causing so much distress to poor music industry magnates instead of wasting time solving murders and other such trivial crimes.

  53. kebrus
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:25

    i just hope rlslog knows there are next… every post someone adds is a step to close down… you guys should remove the torrent and rs links… :\

  54. crimson
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:27
  55. SoniKalien
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:30

    The problem really is the fact that people get too complacent. I mean surely if you start a website that promotes illegal activity, then you know you’re at high risk all the time. Just because it runs for a few years doesn’t mean its going to run forever.

    As far as the BBC’s article goes- well the same goes. Well know the media is just another money making scheme. Nearly every article is laced with poison to make it more dramatic so it sells. Who wants to hear the truth?

  56. neo
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:30

    kebrus, why dont you notify authorities and help them out then? they cannot shut down all sites. warez-bb, oink and rls alone would be over 1.5million users. would the governments and ESA,MMPA, etc have enough balls and manpower to take over the internet? no, no one can control 100% what is put on the internet.

  57. Rohit
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:37

    @ 48
    Johnny I was about to say the same thing :P .
    Watch the movie Zeitgeist if your interested in learning who really controls the world.

  58. Rohit
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:39

    And as for file sharing, most of us won’t be bothered with buying the stuff we download anyways. But I love the fact I’m in Canada, worry free :D .

  59. gizmo
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:44

    too all those out that that are crying and saying who cares
    then why the hell are you reading this in the first place
    some people do care they have lost a great community

    RIP OINK

  60. kebrus
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:45

    @neo, easy ok?! i just feel sorry because i have a feeling rlslog is next, the purpose of organizations is to scare people, cutting the main sites will make users think twice before dl something, and that will probably happen, every time some org wins something, somewhere else you will see others orgs trying to do the same, basically over the past months lots of anti-piracy stuff happened… so maybe MPAA alone wont do much, but together with other orgs they can shut down rlslog warez-bb and others alike… and please don’t say 100 others ones will come up because even if true is not the same to have 1 large file-sharing site or 100 little ones

  61. Rlslog
    October 23rd, 2007 | 20:54

    F*uck OINK it deserved it

  62. ki
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:14

    This should not be getting more publicity than the recent take-down of IMSLP.org!!!

    Urge everyone to show them support!

  63. Saiyanfury
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:18

    Great post, I love seeing things like this on RLSLOG. While I wasn’t a member of OiNK, I wish OiNK luck in the months, if not years of legal battles that will follow.

    –Saiyanfury

  64. Glad I didn't donate
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:19

    It certainly sounds like he has enough money to buy a good lawyer and get off with a slap on the wrist.

    Maybe he even made enough to retire now. The users got taken for a ride by this kid :(

  65. UK Police
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:23

    @Bolt656

    We’ve solved all of the murders in Britain, thats why we have so much time to devote towards pirates. Thanks for your concern.

  66. October 23rd, 2007 | 21:27

    I did not read all the article, but from the first paragraph I understood that you’re upset with the media about the lies their telling to us. believe me! I know the media very good and they can make fantastic stories in a few seconds.

    once they said in the Greek Television that I has a relationship with a Greek Celebrity. I sued them!

  67. Yoris
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:34

    the funds invested by the government against this kinda things should be diverted to HEALTH in the US, i keep hearing its hell over there…. you actually pay for being healthy??? damn… that´s really fu….-up….
    piracy is wrong… even if its done by everyone… (myself included) but there r MORE IMPORTANT things to take care of…..

  68. QuadrupelQ
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:36

    “Although i know many of you think that we at rlslog make buckets of money of this website, it simply isn’t true.”

    Why would I believe you? I think Martin makes a hansome sum each month, seeing how much advertisements rlslog has nowadays. Remember, advertisers often pay per visitor, and rlslog is raking them in. It’s not just the media who is often lying to us…

  69. October 23rd, 2007 | 21:50

    @QuadrupelQ

    i dont know hy i even bother responding to you anymore because you seem intent on being negative on everything i do and say. I’m not going to argue with you over this issue, i have stated the facts you can choose to belive me or not. You seem to go in exactly the opposite direction on everythin i say. Believe me or not i dont care annymore.

  70. edwin
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:53

    @Yoris

    No, you’ve got it wrong about healthcare in the US. Only the poor and indigent have no healthcare coverage, so its not a problem. All of the useful, working, productive people are covered. They don’t help themselves, and neither do we.

    But I agree with you, the money spent on this investigation could certainly have been put to better use as a refund of our tax dollars. They take too much already, especially if they spend it closing down torrent sites.

  71. traian
    October 23rd, 2007 | 21:55

    i read an article in the world-famous newspaper metro just today, where it said that a swedish rapper (Ken Ring)
    is actually making more money by selling his music on his own website then going through a record label.

    just a little think to have in mind when ur protecting the record industry…

  72. Verne
    October 23rd, 2007 | 22:03

    @Glad I didn’t donate

    If this little brat was making money off all of his users, then he deserves everything he’s getting right now.

    That makes me mad to hear this profit motive kind of stuff.

  73. kerry
    October 23rd, 2007 | 22:10

    I loved oink. You, however, have really awful grammar. Don’t you double check your homework before you turn it in?

  74. October 23rd, 2007 | 22:32

    @ QuadrupelQ

    i usually don’t read comments, but I read your’s. i’m on rlslog since 2-1-2007 and i haven’t seen any cent from martin. i never asked for something and i don’t care. i just like that many people come here and read my stuff. it’s just a hobby for me. and if martin makes any profit of the website, i think it’s his good luck and his doings that made the site successful…

    i rare talk to other rlslog member cause my time it limited. im just doing my thing with the old dvdrips

    hope some of you enjoy it

  75. edwin
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:04

    @Thraprod

    Totally agree with you. I too think some laws are wrong and have been ignoring them for quite some time now. I disagree with the laws on speeding, drinking in public, recycling, statutory rape, cigarette warning labels, endangered species, and looting.

    Hopefully these will all be overturned as myself, and many of my cohorts don’t like these lawas at all. Until then, we will continue to ignore them as though they don’t exist.

  76. pnisboy
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:11

    I am gonna make a website with a hole in the middle and just site here and f.uck it :)

  77. duder
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:18

    this is a sad, sad, sad day.

    i miss oink.

    your article was good, and touched me.

    and yeah, Thraprod, you are totally on the money.

  78. Justin Case
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:19

    Very nice post, I can tell it came straight from your heart. I only read the first 5 comments, got fed up with the teeny whining, and skipped to comment my self. OiNK was a great, pink palace – and I truly hope and believe it is the shape of things to come in the music industry. It honestly made my life better and gave me inspiration.

    Anyone who is whining about “whining over piracy”, go pay the middle men who rip off the artists. I used OiNK and still pay happily for good music if I know the money in fact goes to the artist (or even 10% of the record I’m paying for). What are you even doing on this site – just browsing? Yea right. Your prolly leeching games or movies – how’s that for double standards.. Not even bothering to seed.

  79. Censorship Tester
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:20

    I love how people try and argue that sites pointing people to access, download and share retail software & music isn’t wrong…

  80. bum
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:26

    Oink wasn’t so great, people were too tight with invites we at http://macory.com offer open registration to anyone, come join us for the best in private trackers.

  81. Observer
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:30

    Seriously, rlslog shouldn’t allow direct links for RS or the torrents, it’s asking for future legal troubles. PPL should refrain from that and use other means to get their fixes. Reporting the releases should be enough. Also the comments section would be much more clutter free!

  82. The Deviant
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:31

    I dunno if anyone else has said this but when they said

    “Members paid ‘donations’ via debit or credit cards, ensuring their continued access to the site.”

    What they mean by that is members donated in order to keep the server running, which is true, most torrent sites/trackers need donations to keep running, the ad revenu (if any) isn’t enough.

  83. duder
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:31

    but the internet is about freedom baby!

  84. hahaha
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:40

    Piracy shall never die. You face an army of users and administrators far beyond your capacity. You take pride in taking months to take a single server down yet 3 more pop up in days and join a network growing exponentially.

    File sharing technology continues rapid development at a speed which you can not keep up with. Decentralised architectures, encryption algorithms and increased annonominity.

    The internet is beyond anyone’s jurisdiction and anyone’s reach of censoring it.

  85. Peter
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:48

    @hahaha

    Could you tell what the 3 sites are that have replaced Oink? Jerk.

  86. Paul A
    October 23rd, 2007 | 23:52

    @79

    You know… I don’t know if it’s better to assume that statements like yours, which fill comment sections everywhere, are from some idiot that thinks it’s funny to troll or is an actual idiot whose grasp on logic, and certainly debate, is so poor that he might in fact be some sort of stroke victim, perhaps a really small kid, dunno… Anyways, no point in actually debating with your points, never is, I am just interested on what some of the other guys here think of such a statement. Troll or IQ in the teens?

  87. hahaha
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:06

    @89
    Just wait a little longer…

  88. lee welton
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:07

    Oink arrest video from BBC:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwwMZKYxag

  89. newb
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:14

    @Paul A

    It would seem that comment was made as a sarcastic reply to a comment that it was ok to ignore laws that one thinks are wrong.

    Not to say whether that is morally correct or not, it is just another viewpoint on the issue.

  90. TQD
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:18

    I agree with this post. There is nothing wrong with piracy and any organisation that tries to stop it is in the wrong….

    Grow up.

  91. Time to act
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:19

    @78 Thraprod

    I agree with you.

    If we take into consideration the number of families accessing the net these days and their average income, we can safely say that like 95 % of all the stuff downloaded would have never been bought anyhow, but on the other hand, a lot of the products are being bought by ppl who seen them on the net and liked enough to download.
    If you add that all get a huge advertising without paying, I’d say that the ballance might even be in their favour.
    Ah and of course they should pay us for betatesting all their sh_tty games/software.

    And last, if they just steal the money instead of using for education, the governments should pay the companies and consider these as a part of the free education all ppl of this world deserves

  92. paraZite
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:26

    the law… load of crap… they cant enforce it… they lose it… yeah… and oh! i do drugs :)

  93. bill gates
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:29

    been on since 300 baud modems and hole punched floppies with 10 c64 games
    all cracked
    longer than most leechers been breathing
    scene is in no trouble
    do the crime
    do the time
    not supposed to advertise while breaking the law
    who uses their real name online
    I thought at least everyone used their neighbors wireless

    btw:
    there are plenty of FREE games
    http://sauerbraten.org/
    http://www.worldofpadman.com/
    http://frozen-bubble.org/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.kkrieger

    operating systems are FREE *

    * Windows NT/2000/XP/2003/ETC… is an application not an OS
    * These are not the droids you are looking for

  94. bill gates
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:30

    Oh yeah piracy supports terrorism too

  95. Michael Collins
    October 24th, 2007 | 00:41

    I like piracy because there’s been nothing doing since the IRA stood down.

  96. Derek
    October 24th, 2007 | 01:00
  97. Gr00vE
    October 24th, 2007 | 01:29

    Seriously, how can you expect media not to be against piracy?

    Will you buy a $50 box set of 24, giving money to Fox after downloading it? No!

    Can you downloading BBC produced shows, sold to other networks, sold as DVD’s and shown on BBC America/World full of adverts? Yes

    Do these downloads hurt their revenue? Yes

    Of course the companies we steal from arent going to put us in a good light!

  98. Neverland Ranch Hand
    October 24th, 2007 | 01:36

    Always amazes me that there are so many people against Piracy at a FRICKIN PIRACY WEBPAGE … dudes should go to the RIAA websites and be more at home…

    Similar to the republican senator against divorce, drugs and homosexuality … yet is a cross dressing , five wife havin . crack smokin closet queen

    IE hypocrite

  99. thetrickman
    October 24th, 2007 | 02:36

    According to what the media is saying, Oink was responsible for most of the piracy. Doesn’t this mean that they have won and their will be no more piracy? ;)

  100. October 24th, 2007 | 03:22

    Judging from the comments here we at rlslog have some very smart people, but what bugs me is that the immature dumb commentors comment much more often than the intelligent ones.

  101. boabby
    October 24th, 2007 | 05:26

    Oink was a great community, people who comment in a negative light were either never members, or they were the ones who couldnt get an invite. Piracy is against the law, yet the law is against piracy over murder/rape/pedophiles etc etc. In the end, numbers will survive, there are more of us than them. The BBC were obviously mis-informed, members did not have to pay subscriptions, nor were they forced to make donations. Server costs for such a site/tracker are always gonna be high, whether the guy made any money from us is yet to be seen, I believe he didnt, other believe he did, tug of war continues. File sharing, just read into those two words, what is the most important one? Sharing? Why should sharing data be ilegal? There’s a lot of people here commenting on something which they do not have a great understanding of, I suppose it makes them feel more intelligent, maybe they should “proof-read” before they click the submit comment. Get your facts right before you try to bring down someones opinion with your inferior knowledge. To all the real sharers out there, dont worry, be happy, sharing will continue as will the inaccurate reportings of the BBC.

  102. Triples
    October 24th, 2007 | 07:36

    I’m just wondering how easy to turn the low and order today to work immoral way. Especially after 911/01. And the West today gone almost as far as the East here.

    And it was not enough in OINK’ case. IFPI acting like a LIARS here and there.Dirty and ghandi.And BBC… how it degraded soon after downfall of Soviet Empire…

    Anyway I do not think anybody can stop my free access to the Culture. Yes I am a pirate and I am RIGHT!

  103. grossburger
    October 24th, 2007 | 07:59

    i completly agree with this post here is another poor attempent at mind control for the masses http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5P9OunKuK7mA2SsuxVrNqwea_Iw

  104. Joao
    October 24th, 2007 | 08:26

    In Portugal the same happened to a big site. And what is incredible was that the portuguese mainstream media said exactly the same words (literaly)…

    don’t you see that this is part of their plan…

  105. Joao
    October 24th, 2007 | 08:28

    and when you report news shouldn’t you hear both sides… so you don’t became the voice of one of them… just spiting out whatever lies they came up…

  106. reg
    October 24th, 2007 | 08:51

    yawn, yawn, f*ckin’ YAWN.

  107. ChrisL
    October 24th, 2007 | 09:23

    Nice article, very well written!
    http://enjoys.it/2007/10/23/some-facts-and-some-rumors-about-the-oink-takedown/ has some valid points too.

  108. macro
    October 24th, 2007 | 09:54

    @73 edwin
    I work 12 hours a day delivering pizzas for dominos just to make rent and utilities, and internet of course, which i then use with vonage for a phone. Guess what, they dont offer any health coverage hell we dont even get a lunch break, and i dont have the $200 a month for my own insurance, so think twice before you assume all those without health care are lazy. I used to have a great job in IT, seeing thats what i have my degree in, but it was taken from me and sent to india, and now i am forced to deliver pizzas!

    @48 johnny77
    I know all about the patriot act, but it is meant to only be used in terrorist cases, and if they think me downloading sherk the third for my kids is a terrorist act, then we are in far more trouble than we can imagine.

  109. lucifer
    October 24th, 2007 | 10:28

    @113 Marco

    I agree about the health insurance issue, I am a 14 year electrician, and can’t get insurance because I have asthma, and for those of you that don’t know, there is no cure. Just because someone doesn’t have health insurance, does not mean they’re lazy.

    I think the gov. needs to worry about future terrorist attacks, instad of spending the taxpayers money investigating and shutting down file sharing sites.
    Like Marco stated, “We are in far more trouble than we can imagine”
    FYI: This is the first time I’ve posted a comment and the only reason I did, is because all of the retarted ,simple minded, grade school, just plain childish posts I’ve seen on this subject. Most aren’t even about shiny’s post on OiNK being shut down.Although I feel strongly about freedom of speech, STAY ON THE SUBJECT!

  110. pesse
    October 24th, 2007 | 11:16

    i cant understand how ppl that don’t like piracy or filesharing can log on to rslog and comment an article like this? what the f*ck are you doing here then ?

  111. so ez a caveman could blow me
    October 24th, 2007 | 13:20

    rip rlslog.
    prolly be reading that soon :(

  112. Erik
    October 24th, 2007 | 14:27

    WORD! Every word is the essence of truth

  113. YeahRight
    October 24th, 2007 | 16:19

    May your mindless (and depressingly poorly written) tripe and endless pathetic self-justifications nourish you during your impending incarceration.

    Frankly you deserve ten years of hard time for the Gandhi quote alone. Yeah, trying to free a people from oppression is just sooooo very similar to “fighting” for your right to steal other people’s property.

  114. October 24th, 2007 | 17:02

    Thanks for all your feedback.

  115. Raymond
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:03

    Shiny. Congrats! With your post U have done more 4 the advertising budget for rlslog than the 40 post U did before this.

    Really enjoyed the reading of this discussion. All sides, some idiots and lots of deep comments. Made me think.

    As for laws: In Norway, if U find $10 000 on the street, U get 10% as a finders fee, no questions asked. The government understands that its the only way to make SOME pepole do the right thing. (Give the money back)

    If the record companies would like to survive the piracy age, they should concede and work out a similar business plan/strategy. Make it easy to do the right thing, (i.e pay 4 it), and accept that only a few of us would actually pay.

    It`s better to take a piece of the pie than nothing at all.

    Props 2 all!

    Ray

  116. jonnyBoy
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:15

    I think this got a little too out of hand. Jesus Christ people, yes piracy is illegal. yes people get prosecuted. yes OiNK got busted for hosting a site that enabled it’s users to shirk copyright law in favor of something being free (don’t we all?).

    It’s his battle to fight. Don’t start more with your comments.

  117. Pal
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:26

    I would just say … Its best to know your enemies. BBC is no friend to Pirates it IS the enemy..!!!

    As far as Gandhi his REAL history is much darker then the white wash puritan he is made out to be…. ummm he was a stubborn SOB. Got to give him that much….

    The truth is never on the surface… you got to dig deep…
    Sadly these days most pirates are just self serving jerks that don’t give a rats ass about anyone but themselves… it really is the nature of the game… the age of innocence for piracy crumbled with the advent of the internet…. Its full of money hungry crooks these days… Pirates have become just like the Corporate crooks they loathed in the past… Both sides fight over the $$$$ The rare few who cling to the old higher value are dinosaurs on the verge of extinction….

  118. Pal
    October 24th, 2007 | 18:47

    The only & real question is, “Will the corporations control the people or will the people control the corporations?”

  119. lee welton
    October 24th, 2007 | 23:10

    In America, the people ARE the corporations.

  120. nobody
    October 25th, 2007 | 01:33

    Triples loves him some prog rock, hmmm VdGG, yum.

    I was an OINKster, in the segment of it that dealt in all out-of-print stuff that the corporations won’t reissue… lotsa clean vinyl rips, long-gone jazz CDs issued only in Japan, weirdo stuff. The people, at least in this coterie of devotees, were super appreciative and community-oriented about the crazy stuff I would put up, and I got a lot of positive feedback that inspired me to keep doing it.

    See, I’m one of those people that believes in Music as pretty much the last bastion of worthfulness on Earth, the last weapon of defense against the colonization of our minds by the quantity-destroys-quality attitude, and to me the world is just a better place if Grant Green’s “Visions” and Alice Coltrane’s “Lord of Lords” are available to those that want them. Certainly Blue Note and impulse!, once proud companies but currently being run into the ground by blithering idiots who don’t even know what went before and don’t seem to care, aren’t interested in supplying these products because they don’t see the equation in the light of cultural weight and legacy, only in terms of the phony $$ pursuits that have taken over the other 99.9% of activities on this fallen planet.

    I think OINK is being eulogized to the extent it is because of this aspect, the idea that you could go on there and score a copy of “The Sun and the Moon Have Come Together” by the Fourth Way when there really isn’t any other way on Earth to get one. It seems from what I’ve read here and elsewhere that the camps are split, with the people who weren’t on OINK being dismissive and “who cares?” about it and the people who were actually involved feeling like something important has died.

    Of course I am dead against the idea of pre-release material getting out on the web before artists have a chance to profit from their efforts, who wouldn’t be? But for me that’s not at all what OINK was about… I pretty much only ever d/l’d stuff from there that wasn’t really available any other way, and this I in no way regret.

    Just my 2 cents.

  121. Tim
    October 25th, 2007 | 04:20

    Thank you for your post, its what most ex-oink’s are thinking right now.

    Cut down one torrent site and 3 will take its place. Face it, you’ve lost this battle. Adapt or die

  122. Sod Off MPAA
    October 25th, 2007 | 06:21

    What makes the BBC even more hypercritical is that they themselves are funded by (enforced) viewers contributions. Any revenue or profits generated should be returned to the poor saps who actually pay it!

    Of course the BBC will take the side of the anti piracy lobby; they stand to lose their cushy jobs…

    Perhaps a news broadcaster should not be associated with a revenue generating media corporation?

    I say the fight should be taken to the industry – with millions of people wanting easier access to music and television shows which in the most part are broadcast to the public anyway. Surely the tables can be turned if it is proven how corrupt, greedy and talent-stifling their industry really is?

    One caveat, though – sharing of mainstream movies (especially prior to release) will never be acceptable, nor ‘right’. My humble word of advice to my favourite site RLSLOG is this: distance yourself from CAM/Screener/TS links completely. These are the BIG thorns in the movie industry’s butthole.

    Sharing DVDRips should be as defensible as borrowing the disc from your friend.

  123. henrygeorge
    October 25th, 2007 | 23:00

    @nobody – I listened to that Grant Green “Visions” outro on “We’ve Only Just Begun” about 50 times. To think that I would have never heard it because of some record label Nazis!

    Everybody else – don’t worry about the moral high ground. We all know that record label and movie people are sleaze. A copy of something has little intrinsic value. Copyright is an abstract concept that has no basis in reality. Rewards for creativity are rare in this society.

    Radiohead is selling their album direct download for whatever people want to pay. Last I heard they are making average $5 per download and they have over a million downloaded. These record sh*theads now have bigger things to worry about than some kids trading the latest pre-releases…

  124. nobody
    October 26th, 2007 | 01:07

    @henrygeorge: yes that outro alone could save lives. A big part of what it means to be human and alive is expressed in GG’s playing in those 2 minutes. I’m glad someone else read what I wrote in that OINK thread and understands why withholding that album is a crime against Art on the part of Blue Note.

    That segment of that song is in some ways a pinnacle of expressive achievement to me, and I feel that GG took the meaning of a song that started life in a bank commercial, found notoriety thanks to the golden voice of a girl drummer forced by her brother to sing, and vaulted it up to a whole other level with what he chose to play over those changes. This may seem to those reading this as a triviality and much ado about nothing, but these little things often form the underpinnings of what gives us the most sustenance and comfort in these sometimes painful lives we live.

    I feel that if the music industry doesn’t figure it out and adapt to the evolving paradigm of online music, many many unreissued albums (long-forgotten but tremendously worthy of reconsideration) will be lost to history forever. This robs future generations of the true cultural breadth and depth of what’s gone before, and makes us poorer and less enlightened in the long run, because like I said I believe that Art and especially the multidimensional, Vibrational language of Music is really all we have left. I hope Capital doesn’t burn that village in thinking they (the corporations) are somehow saving it.

    Thanks henry, you made my 41st birthday, just knowing that someone hears what I do in that GG recording.

  125. henrygeorge
    October 30th, 2007 | 00:28

    Happy birthday nobody, thanks for giving yet another reason to share music. The record labels can’t reissue stuff without risking a loss, we, on the other hand, take no risk other than being stigmatized as crooks. Essentially the chance of anyone profitting from the release is so unlikely that the music becomes obselete (strangely, often meaning that the music is actually GOOD). I think if we have the time and resources to do it, we owe it to the world to distribute rare, out of print, and unreleased music!

    It’s so typical to see profit as the only motivator in a captialist society, which is why sharing can be so satisfying. As you point out in this case, the irony is supreme: the worst Carpenters schlocky bank commercial song is transformed into a brilliant statement by an underrated genius, only to have it thrown in the dustbin by the label that probably encouraged him to record the crap song in the first place.

    Back to the song for a minute- notice that the whole band comes alive during the outro. Suddenly the bass starts hitting harder and dropping into more of a groove, even distorting a bit, the drummer drops in some more accents, and the vibes create a shimmering backdrop. I am guessing they jammed for 20 minutes!

  126. Tsuruda
    November 18th, 2007 | 21:04
  127. music lover
    November 19th, 2007 | 16:34

    Immortal Technique is a self promoting rapper who handles every aspect of his music himself, from recording to distribution and everything inbetween. He has used file sharing to promote his product and has been an incredable success story. You probably havn’t heard of him – that’s because mainstream media wont cover him, their are no adverts on corpourate websites etc. His success has come purely from word of mouth, easy access via the internet to his music and over all musical integrety.

    Technique and many others have recognised that file sharing can be a huge blessing to those artists whos art is not respected in the mainstream. ART being the key word, if what you have made is art then you want everyone to hear it, if what you have made is just another formulaic product (metallica for example) then you obviously want every penny for that product. These people have no love for the music, if mcdonalds paid enough then i’m sure Lars Ulrich would be happy to push burgers instead!!

    I’ve just used one man as an example, but many great artists world wide are having their music heard by new audiences due to sites such as oink. How can any music enthusiast say this is a bad thing?

    The loss of oink is a dissapointment, but in reality someone somewhere is setting up a new and improved site that will learn from any mistakes oink made, and this evolution of ideas will continue to thrive regardless of the money hungry devils that frequent the music industry and ruin its integraty.

    fairwell oink, you will be sourly missed!!

    “One love
    One music
    One people
    One movement
    One heart
    One spark”

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