RCMP Tolerates Piracy For Personal Use
The Canadian police announced that it will stop targeting people who download copyrighted material for personal use. Their priority will be to focus on organized crime and copyright theft that affects the health and safety of consumers instead of the cash flow of large corporations. Around the same time that the CRIA successfully took Demonoid offline, the Canadian police made clear that Demonoid’s users don’t have to worry about getting caught, at least not in Canada.
According to the Canadian police it is impossible to track down everyone who downloads music or movies off the Internet. The police simply does not have the time nor the resources to go after filesharers. “Piracy for personal use is no longer targeted,” Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the Canadian police, said in an interview with Le Devoir. “It is too easy to copy these days and we do not know how to stop it,” he added.
St-Hilaire explained that they rather focus on crimes that actually hurt consumers such as copyright violations related to medicine and electrical appliances. A wise decision, especially since we now know that filesharing has absolutely no impact on music sales. On the contrary, a recent study found that the more music people download on P2P-networks, the more CDs they buy.
If you have not already read this from torrentfreak, here’s the copy of it at rlslog. Sorry if this is too much tech news for today but this time it was good news for once 
. We have studies proving downloading promotes CD sales, we have levies on blank media and mp3 players. Now with the official reports they confirm with common sense.
Comments(112)
Finally, some sense.
Can the UK police please follow suit?
99% of us download for personal use. We don’t shoot people, beat people up, sell drugs, have paedophile tendencies, rob, burgle, joyride, cause street problems……….etc etc etc
We listen to music and play games and watch tv.
Go and make the country safer instead of wasting your time on meaningless events……..
Thank you.
ohhhhhh canada
vive le quebec!
Gotta admint Canada always learns from usa’s dumb mistakes.
About time! something that makes sense! thats what you get from a country that isn’t run by major companies.
Well done Canada!
This just goes to prove that the RCMP has not got the manpower to properly police the country of Canada.
Canadian citizens should be outraged.
Canada ftw, now convince the rest of the world that this is the way to go.
Yes #6 Canada should hire enough police officers so that they have enough to have 2 walking down both sides of every block in the country. That way a dispatcher can notify them by radio of an address that matches an offending IP address and they can break down the door and arrest its inhabitants, and send them off to prison camps.
Your post seems a little odd in the sense that you are at a site where you are surrounded by links that if you click one may result in you needing to be “properly policed”. It is an ironic event that you would spend your time at a site that either A) Makes you a moronic hypocrite, or B) Has a bunch of links that are useless to you.
“This just goes to prove that the RCMP has not got the manpower to properly police the country of Canada.
Canadian citizens should be outraged.”
ROFL this doesn’t prove anything boy, not a single country out there has a police force strong enough to deal with filesharing. It’s simply too big. It’s like trying to arrest someone for breathing too much. There are so many people filesharing atm that it is impossible to track them all. At least these folks are smart enough to put their attention on stuff that matters instead of acting like slaves for moneyhungry corporations like they do in the US.
@6
You should have a look at the article mentioned above from LeDevoir (if you understand french).
In a few words, it clearly explains they’re not going to waste there time on such a meaningless crime when there’s much bigger crimes happening..It also mentions few cases from the states where peoples lives were ruined because of downloading a few songs. Why should peoples lives be ruined so big companies can just become richer.
Anyways…
They definitely have the man power & technologie,
but like stated above, there’s no stopping it…
It has become part of society, especially for the youths.
Why waste time & money on something which is doing more good than bad.
It seems very logic to concentrate their time on organized crime & major crimes instead of tracking down millions of youths whom download media off the net….
good move
FINALY, JUSTICE.
Hope all other countries learn from Canada.
“copyright theft that affects the health and safety of consumers instead of the cash flow of large corporations.”
yeah large corporations that are based in the united states. the canadians have nothing to lose since they produce nothing of value that are worthy to be shared on p2p anyway.
@6 it’s a damned shame that some of these people don’t know a good joke when they hear one. Good job bloke, i thought that was great.
Iron Chef Rulez
@ #6
You are fogetting that Canada has no music or movie industry for them to protect.
So of course the country doesn’t want to use what little resources they have left, after paying for their huge social welfare programs, on policing an industry that doesn’t contribute to their coffers.
The US will just have to apply pressure on Canada like threatening the Molsen imports or other such tactics.
I gotta say, this is good news but we must not forget that they arnt following us cause its impossible to, what they need to realize is that we consumers WILL buy movies/music/programs if it wernt for the high prices, i dont know what you all think about that, but i love having original copies of cd’s/movies etc in my bookshelf, i also download alot but if i like it, i buy it (depends on the price ofcrs).
Still this is good news for now, tho i hope that they will reconsider witch matter that is most important.
To make alot of money for the company, or to spread the joy of movies and music and creativity among people.
Dont fight pirates, fight real criminals.
“It is too easy to copy these days and we do not know how to stop it,”
Pirates win, once again
@#15
You sound like you are full of envy. Now if you’ll excuse me I’m gonna go get me some free media.
Thanks for the free imports USA keep up the good work.
About the “downloading music increases cd sales”..
the only thing the study concludes is that people who download more songs buy more cd’s. So it seems obvious to me that someone who is into music will download more songs and buy more cd’s than someone who just has a smaller/less diverse interest in music. People still buy cd’s if they really like them, but they don’t buy BECAUSE they download.
The article states that “They did not find a positive or a negative relationship between filesharing and CD sales.” This indeed means a huge setback for the recordcompanies because it shows cd purchases aren’t effected as much as they claim.
BUT: the researchers don’t imply that file sharing actually raises cd sales! They just say that there is a relation between song downloads and cd purchases.
great news!!!
awesome
Quebec & and the rest of Canada FTW
@Alfred, Tucker:
That’s why our dollar is worth more than the U.S.’s right now. because WE’re the ones with money problems? HA. Huge social welfare programs? LOOK AT THE U.S.!
Canada has nothing to offer to the p2p scene? Nothing except the vast majority of trackers that operate via Canadian servers. You can say what you will, but Canada has produced some of today’s greatest comedy stars and music artists. Canadian television is becoming more popular than ever.
We’re Bigger and We’re on Top. WWII kiddies.
Canada isn’t going to lick the U.S.’s arse either, boy.
WAR OF 1812. Deal with it. WE BURNED DOWN YOUR WHITEHOUSE.
But seriously, some of your are getting way to offensive with ill-supported facts you’ve just made up on the spot. Lame.
Off Topic(porn banners are Back!)
On Topic ,that a turn up for the books,always liked Canada!
and that is why I’m proud to be canadian..here’s to hoping other governments will follow suit..I feel sorry for you guys who are not fortunate enough to live in a place where the government has enough common sense to know there’s more important battles to be won out there than the war on piracy…canada rules..nuff said.
This just means the police force will not pursue people for criminal use of copyrighted audio/video stuffs. It doesn’t say anything about lawsuits…. In most copyright cases, police or other federal agencies don’t get involved unless it is a rather large operation, like someone selling a crap load of copied DVD’s. So, even if you download in the good old USA and a cop walks in and stumbles upon 200 gigs of downloaded movies and MP3’s, they aren’t doing crap. Now, lawsuits are where all the damage is done, hit the pocket book…
Personal Piracy, so, does this mean I can go and start selling my DVD’s like crazy in T.O
J/K anyways, Canada is the better half of the U.S, or, Canada is what the U.S SHOULD be if we did it right.
#15, you dont know anything about Canada according to your statement..
Canada has a huge music industry, completely independent of USA, in fact we have alot of musicians who don’t even have labels in US, because we have our own identity and listen to our own type of music that won’t be popular in US. Some of our musicians become popular in US (ie. Avril, Nickelback, Simple Plan, Sum 41), but on the other hand, there are alot that simply would never survive in USA because its only Canada who identifies with their music so they thrive extremely well here (Hedley, Billy Talent, Alexisonfire)
as for movies and tv industry, thats another story;
the sad fact is that the US companies bought out all the canadian companies; USA owns all of our theatres and television studios, so anything thats even filmed here, is from a USA company;
the reason for this is that Canada is a huge consumer, at the small country population of 20 mil, we still love our entertainment and we spend ALOT of money, when a giant country like USA wants to make money, its a sure bet they will want to take over as much of Canada’s entertainment industry as possible..
you will notice that USA includes Canada in its box office entertainment, but no other country is included..
(i.e. Domestic = USA + Canada, International = everywhere else)
now, when we make our own Canadian movie, it will never be released in our own theatres, simply because USA bought them all out
So you were wrong about not having a music industry, just dead wrong.
You are partially correct about the movie industry, except we DO have our own, but the theatres are bought out by the USA to continue their own feed of films; but we do indeed have our own films and releases all the time, you simply don’t know about it because its limited to Canada.
OHHH CAAANADA,WE STAND ON GUARD FOOOR THEEEE…LOL…W00t…
Does this mean Demonoid is going to be back online soon?
@25 when i said #15 i meant #14, sorry about that #15 (Caesar)
Go Canada!
#14…It’s MOLSON’S D00D…I am begining to believe you REALLLY know NOTHIN’ ABOUT Canada…Go Figure!;-) …LOL…
…lol
And i also gotta agree with what someone said about canada having its OWN music scene,that DOES NOT depend on America,weather its major,or indie label…That being said,Hedly was the WROOONG band to use as example…Headly aren’t less famous cuz there canadian,there less famous,CUZ THEY SUUUCK
time to move to canada..hot lookin chicks and download with no problems
Wasn’t this already reported here two days ago? You scooped TF and now your sourcing them? maybe it was somewhere else I saw this (because I don’t find it here anymore)
RE: Eric the Midget
it doesn’t prove anything. If anything, it proves the proper allocation of resources and time into policing of piracy. Spending billions/millions of dollars busting joe from across the street for downloading fallout boy’s new single is a waste of time and money.
Think about it, would you spend millions of dollars a year to investigate and bust every pot smoker in every highschool in Canada/Usa?
LOL #22 don’t even try to reason with Alfred he is a neo-con d0uchebag. People like him cant be reasoned with and don’t look at commonsense facts. They prance about in life with some ideological fantasy of what the world should be for everyone else, while not actually following any of their own rules. Indeed in a word: a Psychopath.
That is why the government that he supports thinks its OK to start wars without raising taxes, and that printing more money to cover the bills is a good idea. That is why the US dollar is worth even less than the Canadian dollar at this point, and soon the Australian dollar will be worth more as well. This is what happens when you let Christianity espousing crack pots run the books instead of intelligent, capable people.
Yeah is demonoid coming back?
few years back a canadian judge based his decision of the following arguement:
“if at the libraries you can use a xerox to make a copy of a page of a book of any author and we consider this legal, so downloading any material from the net should be considered legal too.”
steve from ottawa
I think we soon going to hear this song
“blame canada” but this time it aint becouse of terrans and philip…
well i think about moving right away what do you say fellows? think ahole nation of just online-piracy
but hey then bush will come and say we are terrorist so that might not be so go idea so it seams i have to stay
Nice… now gimme back my Demonoid!!!
Just one more reason Canada is better than the states.
Sweet…time to move to Canada…
Lets not start another US vs Canada flame war, shall we?
Me and my beaver are extemely proud.
I AM CANADIAN!!!!! wOOt.
no flame war here. just flame u.s., rite?
Is there anyone here who really doesn’t think that Canada is just US state #51?? I mean, c’mon, its a country with less people than California, and it wouldn’t have a sustainable economy if it wasn’t for NAFTA.
Sure, they have their liberal outbursts every once in a while…like this music piracy policy. But when push comes to shove, they will roll over exactly when the US tells them to. They know where their bread is buttered.
…LMFAO,Reading this stuff is just TO DAMN FUNNIE…1st off,all these people saying “I hope the USA puts “pressure” on canada,to stop this”,i just have a bit of a question…W.T.F,are you doin’ on RLSLOG if your an Anti-Pirate???…LOL,Wrong Door???…LOL
And for all of these other people sayin’ canada has NO INDUSTRY,i wonder if you are aware that probably 5% of the movies you watch…ARE FILMED IN CANADA!…The Industry rely’s HEAVILY on this country,unlike your CNN brain wants you to beleive…LOL
lol,
eric man…look up some facts instead of making them up hmm?
Gotta love Canada, eventhough i live in norway, i always liked that country, they atleast have some sense! bet there are many happy canadians about now
@nayab9
If Canada has such a huge film industry, and these films are so good, why not export them on DVD? Even India, and its ridiculous film industry, is able to export their best work out of the country.
@RoaR3000
Just because a US film production company rents a piece of Canadian property for a bit to use in a film, that doesn’t mean Canada has a film industry. It means you have scenic property for rent. That’s all.
Hey Midget,
State #51 is Puerto Rico, you sure know that? Should not leave highschool on the first day, moron!
…”Canada is just US. state #51″ …More like,EVERY “U.S. state” should be rightfully a province of MEXICO dood
…
…If were “just state #51″ yet we have WAAAY diff laws than ANYWHERE in the states,The US is doin’ a pretty horrible job of takin’ us over,its been nearly 200yrs…Still waiting
“it wouldn’t have a sustainable economy if it wasn’t for NAFTA.”…Nafta is a “GOOD THING” and your telling me there are ANY countries in this world with “sustainable economy”,our dollar is worth allmost 10cents MORE than yours right now…Sustainable,there IS no such thing
“they will roll over exactly when the US tells them to.” – Go play with your DOG…
don’t know what is so good about this news?
i think police should deal with real criminals. why should they come to our houses only if we downloaded some movies or music?
but there are still the lawyers who earn a lot of money by threating people. this guys are more dangerous for us filesharers than any cop. would you risk going to court, or rather pay some money to get rid of them?
@zedkhov
Oh, sorry about that. What did I get wrong?
Just goes to show you Canada is home of the…
FREELOADERS!
Happy rememberence day you SUCKERS!
is there any other countries with this kind of justice
or can i check if the country i live in has anything against piracy for personal use? oh btw i’m from finland if anyone knows something about piracy laws there
@Bob
You don’t know anything about the US if you think that.
@RoaR3000
Learn economics and then come back and talk.
@Alfred
“It means you have scenic property for rent. That’s all.”
So true! That is hilarious.
@jdizzle1337
I am the world’s proudest Neo-con. Thanks for the title, you liberal piece of trash.
LOL, I gotta use this line sometimes in the future!
First, nayab9, Canada has a population of 33 mil, PLEASE!
Second, most countries have their own music industry that simply doesn’t care what the u.s. market has to say about it. PERIOD with the U.S. has the only music industry in the world flame, kids… just grow up!
Third, The_Doctor @24… true, this doesn’t mean ppl won’t be sued, but that’s not the point! Each of us is responsible to “cover our tracks” and protect ourselves from the private organizations that stick their noses where they’re not allowed! On the other hand, hosting a BT Tracker ISN’T ILLEGAL, that’s the main point here. Those private organizations storm the hosts and confiscate by themselves the servers?… NO, the police does! Without their support, the owners of trackers won’t be abused anymore and we can all enjoy the benefits of it!
“Canada ftw, now convince the rest of the world that this is the way to go.”
This IS what the rest of the world has always done.
Copyright infringement is a civil matter. You get warning emails saying you will face civil penalties if you are sued, which doesn’t involve the police.
If you’ve been sitting at home wondering if the cops were going to kick in your door, why didn’t you say so. I could have just told you that will never happen, rather than waiting for this news story.
Sans, you didn’t get the point… I feel sorry for u!
LOL…They don’t just “rent waterfront property” they get GREAT service from,Studios,Electrics,Crafts services,shipping,trucking,and EVERY other “little thing” that goes into makin’ a movie in completion…NONE of which,these companies come from the US,there ALLL canadian hired…If there was NO workforce the industry would be screeewed…
…I am STROOONGLY detecting QUITE allot of resentment and jealousy here…This shouldn’t be scene as one vs. the other,some of you are acting as if people in the USA are holyer than thou and DON’T play a HUUUGE part in the pirate industry…Which…Of course…THEY DO…
@12…
Nothing of value? Go back to inbreeding.
Rainmaker Entertainment
EA Games
Radical Entertainment
Rockstar Games
Almost half the hollywood movies are shot somewhere in canada.
We have 25000 film workers just for your dam us tv shows. In just 1 city.
pfffft.
90/100 Americans have guns.
34/100 Canadians have guns.
33/100 Muslims have guns.
From http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/” Saw it there a month ago.
So who’s the farking terrorist now? We at least value are citizens rights and privelages.
I am just interested in when he hell is demonoid is coming back fully online?
@56
don’t think the police is taking down servers, but the hosts themselves, when threatened by anti-piracy companies.
#61 is totally right,and just to add/fix one of my other posts,my keys were sticky…but i didnt mean 5%,i DID mean 95%,of course,as icehunter pointed out some great companies in canada
…
…And for the midget d00d there…Don’t worry,i HAVE learned…I HAVE learned that Blind Capitalist Reaganomics offers NOTHING that is truely “sustainable”
…
P.S. – I also think everyone needs to remember we BOTH come from PIRATED LANDS/Countries,our lands were BORN from it…So its not time for eather or to act like were “sooo great” above and beyond…Humans are Humans high horse riders
2/100 English have guns , that cuz we know how to fight and are not pssys and need guns
finally..wow that good news i realy hope the rest of the countries understand and do the same…
@65 >.> lmao /bow
Go Canada….EH!
Cheers maties!
@67 ooh crap you sussed us
dont rejoice young men,,they will not do the policing
bell canada is doing the policing for them,,actually most of the isp in canada
sleep in the same bed with the mpaa because they have investment in the usa
Sympatico Admits to BitTorrent, P2P Limiting see slyck for more news
they wont tell you how much bandwith downloaded is consider too much and since they control
the dsl at the local co,even if you are with a competitor you will be disconnect.
@71
Shaw – Canadian Owned – not limited on p2p
MTS – Canadian – not limited on p2p
Telus – Canadian – prolly limited
Bell internet in canada – American owned. – limited on p2p
Canadian owned ones arent in bed with them. More like ready to chew there arm off… coyote ugly anyone?
We all should move to canada, plus they have free universal healthcare!
Respect to Canada. Sometimes it seems to me like the canadians a lot more sane than their southern neighbours. Thyre totally right: Why waste precious time and manpower with pursuing crimes that cause virtuelly no damage to anyone while there still are rape murder and riot..
@73 I wish it was free, however. Only in highly populated provinces like British Columbia and Ontario do you pay for health care rights… BUT.. a family of 3 or more… only has to pay max $108 per month in BC. Compare that to a family of 4+ in the states. Goodbye 1 paycheck, unless your lucky and your employer pays a large portion.
VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE!!!
Oops, wrong topic…
CANADA ROCKS!!!!!
How did it come to health care?..lol..anyways i would prefer to be in Canada any day when it comes to healthcare.
and secondly..i live in sask a little bit red-neck, but still strong..until recently meaning the last 5 or 6 years Saskatchewan didn’t have bell, shaw or anything like it,the province actauly got taken to court and was forced to participate in so called “free economy” and in the end forced shaw cable to lower rates, forced bell canada out because our rates were too low, and so on and so on… we have the lowest rates in North America, thats in comparison to dollar exchange typical incomes and portions of such to each family in each province, state or typical Mexican family unit income.
so what do i say fukk American companies and capitalistic politicians like the PC-new Conservative party whom are little dogs to the republican party or puppets always trying to create a feudalistic system of life sucking diseases.
and thanks for the notification……..
a hint if you know of a native reserve up here you can put servers up because by-laws and such are stated by the band not the gov, Canada actually has a 3 party system. so pay someone off or start a bizz, ….
@78 capsgram
mohawk telecom,except they do that also because they control casino online
entirely and bylaw have no tax to paid in return..so the intention is not really
for helping your brother,
i agree with you on pc-new ect ect,,they are only oriented on business and to
plese business and u.s. deal,so whatever money talks they will bow to it
they dont care about value or politics or standing up…
this is why this news is fishy ,like they will stop targeting people,,which means
in my book that they were targeting but had to stop,because of other
reasons….
@13 tucker
lmao you honestly think that there are no big companys or corporations in canada? you must also think that as soon as you hit the border you start seeing igloos and inuit people fighting over record players like its the latest technology.
you really have to broaden you point of views and get some culture
“wouldn’t have a sustainable economy” – …Correction Eric,NO ONE would have a “sustainable economy” if it were NOT for Saudi Arabia,China/Asia,India …Look at every damn thing you own,the oil you buy,and on and on and on and show ME what country on this earth is “self sustaining”!?!?
some of the best news ive heard in a while.
you americans are lucky aswell though. you guys have no official data protection laws. britain does which suck for me.
@65 DaLoon,
Bring your superior fighting knowledge to the US and see how long it lasts against a Colt .45.
Regarding the article,
I though downloading for personal use was legal in Canada? If so, why would the RCMP be targetting file sharers in the first place?
50 Camagra for a £1 come on roll up folks 50 Camgra for £1.Christ i make thousands on hair dryers 50 hairdryers fur a pound what alota crud lol
that’s old news
Honestly, CANADA is the place place on EARTH! and i’m very proud of living there!
but i have ONE SOLID QUESTION: Why can i record a song of the radio, and i can’t download the same song for free of the internet?????
PLEASE CAN ANYONE RESPOND TO THIS????????
Lol you Americans. Unlike you, we canadians don’t need constant police around since were not savages that commit attrocious crimes. Well not if you guys come up to us and create trouble :/ We’re diverse and friendly. Heck not much violence happens here as they do in the states. Well not here anyway
Oh and another thing, our dollar is worth more that the us one now, Canada rocks even more!
gawd…. americans never cease to show their ignorance… congrats for keeping the image alive you moronic douche bags.
This is rather funny.
Good to be Canadian.
i am australian and I am pleased to see a country follow there own path and see some common scence. Hope our country follows suit, we are not the enemey have just evolved to the ever changing entertainment industry, as more products emerged we found a way to enjoy it, if it wasn’t for the pirates the price of entertainment would be 10 times worse than it is now we just got sick of paying for something that wasnt worth it. the industry had no choice but to become compeditive.
I have always seen Canada as our Brother country, and I am proud to see them walk there own line.
I’m surprised that Canada would do this. Or should I be? I guess I am just less surprised by pirating being in the spotlight more often as of late. But I’m proud of this country for doing something like this.
Bell Canada is Canadian owned, it got bought by the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan in September, 2007.
yahh b*tch yahh
im movin to canada free healthcare plus no need to worry about gettin sued hundreds of thousands of dollars for some lousy mp3’s
Hmm…I hate being ignored…
I love this country.
All you amaricans who want to come north of the border can just stay where you are. You made your bed and now you have to lie in it.
You had your chance for socialized health care, watch Sicko. You had your chance to not get spied on by your government, go vote for someone else.
Canada is truly the land of the Free.
How is this “news” let alone “good news” ?
No police in any country have ever targetted downloaders, as copyright infringement is a civil matter. Unless you are selling pirated material you get sued, not cuffed.
Seriously how stupid are you people?
All of you has heard of someone getting a warning letter for downloading something.
100% of them have threatened a lawsuit.
0% of them have referred to the police coming round.
Now you hear that the police wont be coming round and this is an improvement? How?
If there was a forum for motorists somewhere, how stupid do you think they would look rejoicing at the news the army would no longer be targetting speeding motorists?
That’s how clueless you look.
Stay at home!
November 12th, 2007 | 09:08
“I love this country.
All you amaricans who want to come north of the border can just stay where you are…
You had your chance to not get spied on by your government, go vote for someone else. ”
Er… the same people spying on Americans are spying on Canadians pal. There has been no change in this regard since before Clinton took office, let alone Bush.
Lynx
November 12th, 2007 | 03:58
“i am australian and I am pleased to see a country follow there own path and see some common scence. Hope our country follows suit,”
What could Australia possibly do?
Australian police don’t target people downloading P2P crap for private use and never have.
WTF else are you looking for here ?
If you need to see that written somewhere in order to realise it then grab yourself a pen and paper kid.
Actually Kanf, you and a bunch of others look pretty clueless to me.
The first sentence can be interpreted, but next one, “Their priority will be to focus on organized crime and copyright theft that affects the health and safety of consumers instead of the cash flow of large corporations.” is what it says it is!
An individual can be sued if he/sh has used a poor service and got caught or if someone supplied the necessary information to incriminate that individual.
Put it simple:
1. USING UNSAFE P2P PROTOCOLS CAN GET YOU INTO TROUBLE! Those unsafe P2P protocols are mostly old networks that lack in development and pre-planning of it’s structure, neglecting Peer security. Such protocols are FastTrack used in KaZaA, Direct Connect used in DC++/ODC and others. Use that and you’re getting sued if unlucky!
2. BT related, AUTHORITIES GETTING INFORMATION STORED ON TRACKER SERVERS!. That means that THE POLICE have to raid the hosting locations and confiscate the servers from their owners. No, no organization dealing with copyright infringement can do such thing and no, they’re not after the files, they’re after the logs of the WebServers conntaining dates and times and the urls accessed for each IP, the tracker logs in case it’s about a private tracker that stores ratio information and a download history for each user. Not to mention the fact that if a tracker goes offline the pirates, that’s we, are loose big time. Take a look at the Hungarian raids, the country’s overall traffic went down with 33-40%!!! And those raids were made only in Budapest!
Demonoid for instance is the biggest private tracker and the second biggest tracker in the world. You think this isn’t good news for us since all that P.O.’s can do now is making empty threats against something that is PERFECTLY LEGAL? Get a life!
I WILL definitely move to canada after I finished my school here in the US…hahaha…
Emm – November 12th, 2007 | 11:17
“”"Actually Kanf, you and a bunch of others look pretty clueless to me.
The first sentence can be interpreted, but next one, … is what it says it is!”"”
Yeah. And what it says is they’re going to do what they have always done. Something other than target P2P downloaders, which is what anti-piracy groups and they alone do.
If there’s only one group who targets p2p users and I’m the only person who can remember that ain’t the fkn mounties, how is it I’m the clueless one here?
And the rest of your post sets new benchmarks for what “clueless” can be measured against.
“”"An individual can be sued if he/sh has used a poor service and got caught or if someone supplied the necessary information to incriminate that individual.”"”
They can also get sued under all other circumstances where they simply used p2p. Including where nothing you described occurs. Including downloading crap for personal use when living in Canada.
It isn’t hard to figure out… if you start a torrent where you can connect to other peers you can be caught. That’s it. That’s the entire security formula.
There are no poor services or informants necessary. YOU ARE THE INFORMANT when you broadcast your IP to the tracker as someone downloading that file, or to other peers via DHT.
“”"2. BT related, AUTHORITIES GETTING INFORMATION STORED ON TRACKER SERVERS!. That means that THE POLICE have to raid the hosting locations and confiscate the servers from their owners.”"”
What utter nonsense. First of all the police are irrelevant as I’ve explained several times. Copyright infringement is a civil matter. You get sued. The police aren’t involved and as such aren’t in need of any user records. What on earth would they want with them if this isn’t their job?
Secondly, anti-piracy groups have been operating for many years and have issued many legal threats directly to P2P users. I have personally received 4. These do not require raids or access to servers, just like you don’t need this access in order to download from BT. All it requires is a BT client and an internet connection. Which is what they’ve been using for the duration.
How bizarre that you would try to profess knowledge and advice to BT users here on this topic while knowing literally nothing about it. Not even having a vague clue as to the who, what, where or why involved.
“”"No, no organization dealing with copyright infringement can do such thing and no, they’re not after the files, they’re after the logs of the WebServers conntaining dates and times and the urls accessed for each IP…”"”
No they’re not. If they raid a BT site or tracker it is to secure evidence against the operators in a legal suit. This is a routine function for police and is a function of the court process where evidence in civil suits needs to be obtained.
Nobody would ever raid a server to get user IPs from a tracker. The only function of a tracker — its dictionary freaking definition — is a service that broadcasts these IPs over the internet to anyone who queries it. It’s like saying you have to raid Google headquarters to get your search results. Er… no. You’ve failed to understand the only function the service in question has.
You should be able to figure this out if you have ever used BT. Did you need to raid a server in order to get the IPs of others downloading something? No? Then figure out it is as easy for anti-p2p organisations as it is for you. Open the torrent… wait for the tracker response… done.
“”"Demonoid for instance is the biggest private tracker and the second biggest tracker in the world. You think this isn’t good news for us since all that P.O.’s can do now is making empty threats against something that is PERFECTLY LEGAL? Get a life!”"”
Which Demonoid would this be? The one that just shut down entirely in Canada because they couldn’t challenge the legal suit they faced there?
And this has convinced you not that a BT site in Canada is certainly not immune, but apparently that it is perfectly legal. LMAO.
So I guess if the owner of Demonoid loses his house to the CRIA that’ll be more good news for BT sites in Canada. LOL
Teh stupidity… it burns.
“That’s the entire security formula.” That’s what I mean by clueless! Enough said! Yeah, you’re clueless!
Don’t be so upset boy, it’s not that you said anything of value above so I’m not starting to quote the junk you spit out!
I think everyone can appreciate that you’ll STFU now, with your childish no-nothing BS, because you just got thoroughly filled in on how utterly ridiculous *every* *single* *thing* you posted was.
Look at your response. You again suggest you believe trackers don’t broadcast IP addresses of everyone downloading a torrent to any anti-p2p group who wants to collect them, just as every downloader does.
Literally the only function a tracker has — the core function of BT — is something you cannot understand. You even appear to disbelieve this when told. LOL
And you continue to call someone else clueless in a post where you repeat this. LMAO. Comedy gold.
No doubt with the sheer level of ignorance you’ve displayed here, your idiotic assumptions about security and willingness to provide poorly thought out guesses to others as security recommendations, you’ll be a big supporter of PeerGuardian.
I think everyone can why you’ll STFU now, considering they can all see you just got thoroughly filled in on how utterly ridiculous *every* *single* *thing* you posted was.
I mean it’s not like you left much to the imagination is it. You actually just cited Demonoid being forced to shut down their Canadian servers completely (just like digitaldistractions was forced to before them) as a reason why it’s perfectly legal to run a BT site in Canada. LMAO.
And look at your response. You again suggest you believe trackers don’t broadcast IP addresses of everyone downloading a torrent to any anti-p2p group who wants to collect them, just as every downloader does.
Literally THE ONLY FUNCTION a tracker has — THE CORE FUNCTION OF BT — is something you not only not cannot understand, but you are actually disputing! LOL
And you’ve again called the person trying to educate you about BT’s most basic function clueless. LMAO. Comedy gold.
What’s next for you chump? Heading over to usenet to call some people clueless who tell you that newsservers are involved in that?
Now if only Bell and Rogers would stop traffic shaping
“A wise decision, especially since we now know that filesharing has absolutely no impact on music sales.”
Are you stupid? Have you any sense of file sharing and downloading music at all? OF COURSE IT HAS AN IMPACT ON MUSIC SALES, even if it’s meager at a loss of several millions instead of hundreds of millions of dollars. If it had “absolutely no impact on music sales,” I doubt music corporations and enforcement in various countries worldwide would be bothering to stop downloaders so badly.
I’m glad for the people in Canada. They can feel a bit safer now when they download music or videos, but none of that actually applies to us in the United States so I have no idea how any of us could ever feel safe. Even if the corporation is stationed in Canada and their police aren’t doing anything, I’m sure our government will continue to try everything they can. The worst thing that can happen is another “TorrentSpy” where site by site American’s are blocked since we are the only country trying so hard. HEY! MAYBE THEN WE’LL BE SAFE CAUSE WE CAN’T DOWNLOAD ANYTHING! There is something us American’s can rejoice about!
All of you Canadians need to just shut up. I think it is hilarious that you people claim to be the haven for file sharing, yet your country just knocked Demonoid off-line.
And your country doesn’t even matter that much…if the US annexed Canada as a state, it wouldn’t even be our most populous state. We have states that are larger than your entire country. So you don’t have much of a voice on the world platform.
You have a lot of frozen ground and some nice reindeer, but thats about it.
The only thing larger about any states than all of Canada, is the level of stupidity and ignorance.
@IC
Totally agree with you dude.
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@ Lynx…
So naive…