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Proposed anti-piracy strategy grants authorities almost unlimited powers to invade citizens privacy


Wow, this is some sad, shocking, and vile news. Recent leaked information points the Canadian Conservative Government a participating member in international talks (aka G8 neocon agenda meetings) to develop a new international anti-piracy agreement under the guise of an anti-counterfeiting shroud. The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement would see Canada join the U.S. and the European Union in a coalition against copyright infringement. The leaked anti-counterfeiting strategy purportedly originated from the U.S. government. The talks, taken behind closed doors so that regular people don’t get to know about until it’s too late, will grant almost unlimited powers for the police and government to monitor any and all activities of Canadian file-sharers.

The legislation will encourage ISPs to monitor the online activities of their customers, and report any and all activity that may infringe copyright law. The agreement covers the copying of information or ideas in a wide variety of contexts. For example page three, paragraph one is a “Pirate Bay killer” clause designed to criminalize the non-profit facilitation of unauthorized information exchange on the internet. Border guards and other public security personnel could become copyright police under the deal. They would be charged with checking laptops, iPods and even cellphones for content that “infringes” on copyright laws, such as ripped CDs and movies. The guards would determine what infringes copyright. The agreement says any copied content would be open for scrutiny — even if it was copied legally. This new agreement goes way beyond the bound of reasonable, it’s Orwellian, unethical, police-state and Nazi-ideologist. I will do everything in my power to educate the public about this horrible modern atrocity that could come to realization if we do not take a stand immediately. This effects everyone, not just Canadians, this agreement is international covering Japan, Switzerland and the European Commision. Sources 1, 2, 3, 4.

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  1. Seanzle
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:13

    Wow….how is that even legal?

  2. me thinks...
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:15

    it sounds a bit like a police state to me..

  3. f00laid
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:16

    wow this is ludicrous.

  4. plasmo
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:18

    Parts of this is old news… US Customs & Border Patrol have had the authority to inspect ANYONE’S laptops/HD’s for any and all information for awhile now….. Whether it be ties to the middle east to copywrite material – they have the power to do it.

  5. name
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:20

    Makes me feel good to know I’ll be downloading Mass Effect in a while to say a royal Fu<k ya’ll to them.

    Wonder who will pre it first.

  6. DeerDance
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:21

    wow, respect for that image

    to hell with them, european comission was against ISP to diconect users who DL copy right matterial (u know that UK thing with 3 warnings) so I am not afraid of EU ;)

  7. eric
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:21

    So I only noticed Canada, Switzerland and the European Commision.

    Hey, if it isn’t US then I’m ok with that!! LOL

  8. fin
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:21

    meanwhile in the real world…EU has already taken a stance on NOT criminalizing non-profit filesharing so such an agreement won’t be made into reality around here.

  9. Bojan
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:24

    Long live third-world countries.(like The Republic of Macedonia)

  10. obama 4 prez
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:25

    i quote NWA
    “phuck the police!”
    we need to stop this facist crap, the patriot act was the first step to taking away our freedoms protected under the bill of rights, if you live in the USA u need to register to vote and vote democrat or independent, this is the first time i will have ever voted in my life b/c i hate war and the nazi regime that is taking over this free country

  11. hi i dont read books.
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:26

    politicians talk, don’t get your panties in a bunch. this isn’t going to happen so stop being so dramatic. this sky isn’t falling. and this has nothing to do with Nazism.

  12. CajuCLC
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:27

    China must be proud. O.o
    heheh

  13. delusional
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:28

    14@7/eric – If the EU is involved, then you can almost guarantee that the US is too.
    Besides, if you have a look in the United States section of Wikileaks, you can see under “Recent Updates” the 3rd link is pointing to the one posted above.

  14. Pop006
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:28

    You all cant seriously thing free for all downloading of illegal content can go on forever…. i WISH i would, but search aXXo under any torrent site… in the first 20 post, there are up to 100,000 people downloading illegal movies at any given time, companies will not take that lieing down.

    We are going to have to get smarter… somehow.

  15. @11
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:29

    @11 – Wake up and have a look at the world you live in. You need to take off your rose colored glasses…

  16. m0rtl
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:29

    name what is mass effect??

  17. name
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:31
  18. aXXo is a n00b
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:31

    @14 – you do realize you are on RLSLOG, right???
    aXXo is not held in high regard here. That being said:
    aXXo: YOU SUCK! :-)
    As do klaXXon, maXXon and all the other “aXXo” wannabe clones!
    The scene pwns your asses!

  19. wh0is
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:31

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

  20. name
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:31

    @16 PC Game. Actually a port of an xbox360 game.

  21. May 28th, 2008 | 02:32

    Who is really behind ACTA? Follow the money:

    Rep. Howard Berman (D-CA)[4]

    Top four campaign contributions for 2006:

    Time Warner $21,000
    News Corp $15,000
    Sony Corp of America $14,000
    Walt Disney Co $13,550

    Top two Industries:

    TV/Movies/Music $181,050
    Lawyers/Law Firms $114,200

    go choke and die on a giant dong Howard Berman

  22. smell it cheese face
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:32

    Even if this does happen it will not become law for at least another three years, stop panicking and go and download something.

  23. S
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:33

    I was going to say “Good thing Switzerland never joined the EU”… :-(

  24. Jason
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:37

    Hey number 10 it is the democrat party in America who are diong this just last week it came out that lieberman and his dem buddies were trying to take content that he deemed bad off the net.Google it for your self Obama and that bunch are liars they will say whatever to win but look at there actions.

  25. A possible solution...
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:42

    As the political system is already screwed up, if NO one voted AT ALL… then how much fun would that be!
    Throw a real spanner in the works haha

    Granted, that would never happen… but what if…………………………………….

  26. blob
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:46

    If it would just affect the European Commision, I wouldn’t bother that are just twenty something old fat blokes but i’m afraid the Union was meant.

  27. terminator
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:52

    Yes, we do have to get smarter like for one, not mentioning on here the p2p site where we go to see what’s the latest R5 with russian audio that is out. Can you imagine if we lose a site like that.

    Think smart people, you think people from the MPAA don’t come here and read our post as well.

  28. Fizzycakes
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:53

    I thought Canada said they were going to lay-off going after internet pirates and only go after those who profit from piracy? Talk about a huge turn of events!

    I almost can’t believe this is real.

  29. hank hill
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:54

    repeat after me.. encrypted usenet access.

  30. Thraprod
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:55

    I wonder how the likes of Ben Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, and Tom Jefferson would address the issues in the film and music industries if they were alive today, including the filesharing issues…

  31. pj
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:55

    It’s time.

    Time to abandon the big corporate companies and find and create the media for ourselves.

    Time to only partake in a media that is shared by content creator and consumer.

    Time to live by the true creed of P2P and sharing.

    Step no1: Don’t buy or support any artist that is anti p2p, pro-copyright control.

    Step no2: Support independent artists who release their art through copyleft schemes such as Creative Commons.

    Step no3: Actively promote the two steps above to all those around you.

    Let’s see how long the RIAA, MPAA, BPI and all the rest survive in a ‘gift’ economy where everyone is both creator and consumer. They can make up as many rules as they want, but when the copyright is in ‘our’ control they don’t have a leg to stand on.

    Boycott the mainstream media. Stop giving money to the media whores. This is the internet and we have the power.

  32. jiggaboo
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:00

    CRAP!

  33. Merlyn
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:01

    @21

    Yeah I believe it I was on Comcast for a number of years and all of a sudden I was getting letters saying I broke copyright laws and if it happened again I would have my service terminated and possibly forwarded to authorities for prosecution. Most warnings were for lame sh*t like downloading a torrent of Battlestar galactica the 1st series through demonoid tracker.

    So this has been going on for some time and now its coming to a head.

    Time Warner/Comcast are combined…

    Heads up people we will get around it one way or another go back to FTP and stay away from torrents and “trackers”

  34. hi i dont read books.
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:02

    this is piracy not a social movement. smoke less crack.

  35. hobojones
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:03

    keep sharing my friends, we will prevail

  36. Pop006
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:03

    @28

    Canada is not coming after pirates… the AMERICANS are passing a bill to come after us [Canadians].
    America: still think they Gotta run the world…..

  37. click
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:03

    im scared dude… no more TORRENTS never used it anyways :D

  38. no_rlz
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:05

    dude, people are gettin freakin insane…

  39. insertclevername
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:07

    I hope this isn’t true so far i like the canadian government…i mean i make minimum wage and theres no point in buying movies or games…you buy them and then try to sell them and they are worth 25% wat you bought for.

    Like gta 4 which i bought and am done and now can sell for 40$!!!

    I bought it for 80 and got offered 20 back from the store, what BS…i mean if i bought a car and brought it back right away i’d still get 70% of the price in trade in value with games and movies they are worthless once out of the store.

    Plus i treat downloads like free rentals watch once, if i really like i buy otherwise erase.

  40. Jeff
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:08

    My isp aliant.net is practically providing me with piracy since I use there news server for grabbing stuff off newsgroups.

  41. MoB
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:10

    as a Canadian I have to say I’m surprised. People have told me on many occasions that our government continuously follows the American government. After our decision to not invade Afghanistan I came to think of my government as an independent identity among the world. I had some of that American pride we tend to see alot of. Not that I ever thought bad of Canada to begin with. Actually I’ve always thought really highly of my country just more so that day. But this news… it’s a test. I read an article a few days ago about this same document effecting the United States. It’s sad to hear that it exists but I still have some faith in my government. I could see Steven Harper going either way on this subject but it may not even be upto him. So I also have faith in my countries judges. This is a huge legal issue spanning countless subjects so I do hope to see more news and information on it… if it goes away quietly thats probably not a good thing.

    One thing I did notice is that this goes right along side net neutrality. The idea of net neutrality requires a mechanism to monitor every little bit of traffic. Slowing traffic that has not been purchased from the supplies of the “internet” wtf that doesn’t even sound like something thats beneficial or part of the concept of the internet. Anyway if this does pass even in partial it will allow net neutrality to be abolished. Good luck everyone.

  42. kelvin
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:11

    HEY OBAMA FOR PREZ FYI if you want to stop that stuff then DONT vote democratic in case you havent looked the McCain himself is into less government and less government in the private sector. Democrats want socialization. socialized health care etc.

  43. dosguy
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:14

    If sharing of material which you legally purchased is illegal, why are libraries allowed to exist?

  44. Fake Plastic Head
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:14

    Great news !!!
    It’s about time , we need to protect the glorious industries of this grwat nation and this is a good start
    Time to clamp down on the digital pirate vermin infesting this great judeo christian land
    We need stronger measures to eradicate this plague hurting our economy
    Liberals and the ACLU will whine about it but us God fearing , tax paying , gun toting and flag waving patriots of this great nation know what muast be done to protect the sacred capitalist system on which this great nation was built on.
    Pirates are parasites and need to be punished with the full extent of our mighty judtice system
    Only liberals , hippies , pirates and terrorists whine about privacy.
    If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about

    Peace through strength !!!!

    May God be with you

  45. Atlas
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:17

    I don’t think people here get this. Mr. X, you have an alarmist perspective on this.

    When someone puts something on an agenda and the g8 discusses it, it is usually up for heavy reworking. In its unfinished state it is quite grotesque and that is often the reason why it is discussed behind closed doors. Look at this logically: you would have to rewrite key areas of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. If the Harper government tries to sneak in and change that under pressure from the US, you want to guess how long he’ll last in power? In many other countriesthe population would demand his execution… but we’re nice canadians :P

  46. PRICK
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:18

    @44
    You believe in God???? HAHA! Dumbass……

  47. HDpunk
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:18

    lol @ 31

    im sure most of us hardly steel what we we dl, most of the stuff i dl i wouldnt have bought anyway….

    theres no way in hell i would have bought the *00+ & growing number of movies i have burned…

  48. HDpunk
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:21

    lol @ 31

    im sure most of us hardly steel what we we dl, most of the stuff i dl i wouldnt have bought anyway….

    theres no way in hell i would have bought the *00+ & growing number of movies i have burned…

    how much does a dvd cost at walmart anyway? 19.99? screw that

    its the guys at the walmart parking lot who sale bootleg cams that mess it up for the rest of us.

  49. steve
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:21

    jesus christ kelvin look at congress’ votes on Net Neutrality. every single republican votes for corporations to get net priority, every democrat votes for equal access to the internet.

    none of the congressmen of course understand net neutrality at all so they resort to partisan voting.

  50. Dogwar1984
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:22

    Okej time to mess it up for thise law aginst the nice pirates we just borrow what we cant afford becuse of the goverment rise prices on everthing so lets get any ides how we can make virusfiles on the net but just one mark as Xfil or somthing or how do we stop theme just say what you think you can do i do everthing to just stop theme i am born pirate end die as a pirate end end as long i live i fight for the pirats Long live Torrents =4ever

  51. bako1
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:22

    all i ahve to say is that i bet the scene is happy….well i dont think i will be affected by this…but that clause highlighted is extremely serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    the non-profit facilitation of unauthorized information exchange on the internet.

    seems like they are targeting not only pirates but news companies……another theory would be that this is just the U.S trying to broaden its privacy invading power around the world…this is serious people need to take a stand…but i think most people just don’t care!!…but they should…stop saying you have 3 years…and start fighting it now..so in 3 years you still have a movie to watch on a lonely friday night! or be able to get information about the corruption in our gov’t that is so well concealed that their is a mentality where were all conspiracy theorists and were crazy

  52. name (required) email ( will not be shown ) (required) Spam protection: Sum of 1 + 9 ?
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:27

    i’m not proud of this, but, good then i don’t live on that countries, they’re dropping the freedom of information on the trash.

  53. mrronnie
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:28

    @41 what if your government said no in 1944 no Canadian troops for d-day landings

  54. Not Bin Laden
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:28

    Thank GOD for this new agreement! Maybe this way they can find Bin Laden in a house somewhere downloading copyright pr0n, since they obviously failed misarebly to find him under a rock somewhere in democratic Afghanistan for seven years now.
    Really could not agree more, now reloaded or vitality bring us Mass Effect so i can leech it.

  55. hoho
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:30

    tell me whyyyy!! aint nothing but a heartache

  56. Fake Plastic Head
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:31

    @54 : Who care about Bin Laden ?
    We will get him in due time
    Security begins at home
    If we can eradicate criminals , junkies and pirates it will be one nsteo in the good direction of making this great nation safer

    Silly liberals

  57. name (required) email ( will not be shown ) (required) Spam protection: Sum of 1 + 9 ?
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:31

    @54 LOL

  58. Thraprod
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:31

    This all sounds like big news, but you don’t see Hilary or Obama or ANY of the US Candidates at the moment standing on a platform about filesharing. Sadly, it just isn’t important to enough people for polititions to actually have to take a stand on it, specifically.

  59. ★★★RLSLogKing★★★
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:32

    just use truecrypt and encrypt all your copyright media on the fly. You should be doing this anyways

  60. open
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:32

    you guys are fcuked

  61. sweaty ballsack
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:33

    @36 you are right.

    The problem today is that Canadian Constituionals laws are being upheld by teh Supreme Court so the MPAA, FCC and CRTC cannot get the personal info from the ISP. The ISP would be infringing on personal privacy laws by issuing the info, a far greater fine than the MPAA can impose on the ISP.

    The USA is trying to rewrite another country’s constitution again to make it aligned with thier own. They already have an inetrnational agreement that allows them to push the RCMP to arrest Canadians for breaking US laws, Google ‘Marc Emery arrest’.

    Time for a changing of the guard, they are really crossing the line these last few years.

    Now to focus on Mr.X, you really made extra effort to describe this as a Canadian move, even though you did say it was headed by the USA. This was proposed and set out by the USA, Canada was invited to the discussion. As a G8 participant, Canada is almost obligated to do so, however there are far greater concerns to overcome for the Canadian government than to the US government, who cowtows to such organizations as the MPAA.

    This is just one more example of the US trying to play world PO-lice.

  62. Not Bin Laden
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:33

    I like you Fake Plastic Head i want to have your babies

  63. Nazi Soldier
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:35

    Imagine the real crimes that could be stopped if our leaders would put this much time, effort, money and solidarity into real crimes. Imagine they were monitoring our govenors for using our taxes to hire hookers (NY Spitzer), rapists, child molestors, pedophiles, instead they’ll just go after us because the MPAA and RIAA will pay unlimited amounts of money to them. Amazing, America land of the free, my ass

  64. Newt182
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:38

    really dont want to go back to buying copied games and films from the local market.. besides that funds organised crime lmao

  65. ★★★RLSLogKing★★★
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:38

    I like how everyone’s like “this is taking away our rights!!” blah blah blah

    the truth is…you are downloading for free what is meant to be payed for. It’s becoming more and more of an issue as people learn just how easy it is and with advancements in technology. Just encrypt your stuff, and deny having ever downloaded anything illegal.

    -nuff said

    no more comments needed

    *thread locked*

  66. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:38

    move on record industry, the game has changed, time to try something new rather than suing your potential customers. theyre morons.

  67. Curious
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:39

    I agree with this

  68. hoho
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:39

    i dont ever want to hear you say, i want it that way

  69. SamIAm
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:40

    …So if they end up putting 4.5 out of 5 of us in jail,men,women…Children?…I wonder how they expect the country to keep turning…other then slaving us all or something like this…LOL…EVERYONE has Broken the law on a PC somehow,and that ALSO goes for MANY people that probably WORK FOR our lovely Canadian Gov’t!!!…Where would they collect taxes from when we are ALLL locked up?,Hmmmm…lol …Ive always said if i was sent to jail for smoking pot,or downloading things online,i would happily “take the holiday” ;-) …lol

  70. median
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:40

    THANK GOD… i don’t live in such a country :D

    Portugal ftw :D

  71. Concerned Citizen
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:40

    What’s next? Why don’t we save all the receipts for clothes we buy and have to produce them with identification if a cop stops us.

  72. Dogwar1984
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:41

    i se guys is agins downloading so i wounder way do you even enter pirates sites end reg you of you are agins pirates (downloading) thene just send money to us pirates end we can buy things np just one thing i dont care about copyright the earn so mutch money on get the stuff known over the downloades so the earn cashe on us pirates the can never stop the pirats or even take us the havent thet right before the have proof its not a copy of you movies end yes guys use a encrypter on you extern harddriver where you get you things on end the cant prove you have downloade it of the even decrypt the harddisk end torrent is legal so as long the cant prove you are a pirate the can kiss my ass

  73. 1stewart
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:41

    #43, because it’s only illegal without PERMISSION.

    libraries have permission to share the material

  74. joe hoser
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:41

    Don’t fool yourself. The Canadian gov’t will introduce a law, by their own choice, with strong industry support. The opposition parties will meekly go along and support the bill. There will be little open debate. And it will happen quickly.

    Meanwhile, the resource industry will continue to rip the country to shreds and the rising asian economies will buy out the land and water from under us. All the while completely ignoring any thoughts of copyright protection.

    Welcome to the third-world country formerly known as Canada.

  75. Curious
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:42

    @35

    ★★★RLSLogKing★★★, it would be a shame to lock the thread with the last post having such bad grammar & spelling.

  76. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:42

    Put up a site with a million streamed songs ,youtube style, at least you can make some ad money.

  77. ★★★RLSLogKing★★★
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:43

    @35 ????

    you’re the idiot

  78. Newt182
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:44

    “i se guys is agins downloading so i wounder way do you even enter pirates sites end reg you of you are agins pirates (downloading) thene just send money to us pirates end we can buy things np just one thing i dont care about copyright the earn so mutch money on get the stuff known over the downloades so the earn cashe on us pirates the can never stop the pirats or even take us the havent thet right before the have proof its not a copy of you movies end yes guys use a encrypter on you extern harddriver where you get you things on end the cant prove you have downloade it of the even decrypt the harddisk end torrent is legal so as long the cant prove you are a pirate the can kiss my ass”

    can someone translate this to english please?

  79. click
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:44

    QUESTION is only for people using TORRENTS correct?????

  80. Re:
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:45

    Sorry, X, you sound rather paranoid. There’s just no way the proposal is that bad as you present it to be. “Any copied content would be open for scrutiny”? Even the U.S. doesn’t go that far and we’re talking about Canada here. I doubt something like this will ever pass the legislation.

  81. adamr
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:45

    Film and music industries are rich enough, give me a break.

  82. Joe
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:47

    @41,

    The decision not to take part in the invasion of Iraq (not Afghanistan) was made by Chretien (a Liberal and two Prime Ministers previous to the current Conservative one aka the Bush lapdog).

    We currently have a peacekeeping presence in Afghanistan.

  83. hoho
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:47

    arresting pirates?? arghhhh maytees!

  84. normalguy
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:48

    You know sometimes I am amazed at the posts I see on this site. Some of you are talking like you have a “right” to steel this stuff and how dare these facists attempt to stop you.

    Whether you wouldn’t have bought it in the first place is irrelevant. We are taking something that doesn’t belong to us and getting umbrage at them trying to stop us is hypocritical in the extreme.

    While yes most of these music / movie companies are scum it is does not make them facists becuase they try to protect their property. Nor does the fact that because almost everyone does it it means we are not “technically” thieves.

    If we are going to do this we should at least be honest about it.

    Plus to top it off there are some ridiculously clever people around who will find a way around anything that is put in place so there’s no real reason to get your panties in a bunch. I’ve been on the web for around 15 years now and I’ve lost track of the number of cries of doom we’ve had. And you know what ? There’s more available to download that there ever was.

  85. adamr
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:53

    one dollar for a song, one dollar for some food, i think im going to use that dollar for food.

  86. Dogwar1984
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:55

    way to the even try to shut down downloading

    the what to stop us from hacking downloading end thet stuff

    1 simpel rule thet make us alive 4 ever

    What you downloade you seed or do as me downloade 1 day seed 3 days end the cant ever stop it some time the most get seens end give up to try stop us from the gift god give us take what you need on net end kick goverment ass back to hell for we are the humans the are the devils

  87. The Real Jew
    May 28th, 2008 | 03:59

    When Are We Going To Take A Stand . Im In , Im Not Going To Let Them Do This to The People . We Must Band Together ,We Must Creation Our Own Agency So We Can Protect Ourselves From This AmeriKa Government . The Time For Talk Is Over , When We Sleep They Are Awake And Werking Up New Sceams To Place On Us . If Anything They Are Suppose to help Us Not Set The People Up With Snares And Lies ,And Devilish Ways To Hurt The People By Whatever Means . If We Lose This Internet And Let Them Have Their Way, Than We Lost It All , Because They Already Took Everything Else , Accept Most People Don’t know Its Gone Yet .
    So When Are We All Going to Get Together , Ideas ????

  88. hoho
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:00

    soon to be 15th amendment “freedom of piracy”

  89. hewwo
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:13

    LOL
    i’d hate to be living in canada right now hahaha

  90. A.Bundy
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:13

    Heh, canada isnt even good for bacon these days, as they always find a way to rip off its citizens. well, at least the good shiat will have to become even more encrypted so the fukers cant budge.

  91. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:13

    theyre more like mobsters than facists. they we’re totally raping us before p2p. this is payback time. if they want to continue making the big bucks, they have to adapt and maybe realize that the ez-money party is over.

  92. Bob
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:15

    What happened to something called Privacy?

  93. knight
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:18

    I’m glad we have none of this in India.Our government isn’t even aware of bit torrents n stuff.

  94. hoho
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:18

    get a room

  95. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:22

    “The proposed agreement would allow border officials to search laptops, iPods, and cellular phones for copyright-infringing content.”
    from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

    are you fu*king kidding me?

  96. hoho
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:22

    @93 knight

    seeing the condition India is in torrent should be the least to worry about

  97. asdf
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:24

    no one should take away our right to steal

  98. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:24

    “The leaked document includes a provision to force internet service providers to provide information about suspected copyright infringers without a warrant..”

    Whaaaaaaat….you can’t be serious?

  99. Todd
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:24

    how would border officials know copyright-infringing materiel when they saw it? you could suspect but there would be no smoking gun.

  100. twinkie
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:25

    preach on brotha!!

  101. joe
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:27

    New world order is upon us, Dec 12 2012 look it up.

  102. AV 1611
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:30

    The Jesuits will soon have the internet under their total control making file sharing a criminal offense. But thats why they started it in the first place. Entice us all with their free movies and then criminalize it. Which gives them the right now to go through all of our personal belongings to check for other so called infringed intellectual property. ALL TO EASY

  103. twinkie
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:34

    fools gold dvd9 is out!!

  104. Boyer
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:35

    so this is only canada not usa?

  105. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:40

    @99 they would probably hook it up to a computer and check mp3s n avis on the device against a database of pirated stuff? anyway, there would be lots of ways to do that. not a problem.

  106. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:42

    @105
    looks like most of the western world, eu usa australia japan germany… we’ll see tho.

  107. Brick Tamland
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:48

    that sounds really exciting and fun, where do I sign up?

  108. twinkie
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:50

    lol western world eu, australia, germany, and japan.

  109. ELCouz
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:51

    @108 AKA Brick Tamland

    >>that sounds really exciting and fun, where do I sign up?

    RIGHT HERE — > http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/inFORMation/applications/adults.asp

    LOOOOOOOOL

  110. hin
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:55

    check out the lawsuit against YouTube (BBC Website). Might be something to keep an eye on. Viacom is sueing YouTube for not stopping pirac y of there work. Maybe this is a good thing, since Google is huge and can afford the courts.

    @66 I agree, those idiots need to change there game.

  111. Jeff
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:55

    @105
    The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement would see Canada join the U.S. and the European Union in a coalition against copyright infringement.

  112. Jason
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:56

    HEY AMERICANS look at the mess the democrats are stirring up now you better vote republican or you will regret it.

  113. James
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:57

    The internet dies the day this is enacted. Way to go, destroying one of the greatest tools man has come up with.

  114. emdeesee
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:59

    @24.. lieberman isn’t a Democrat anymore.. he’s a Jew.. AND a “turncoat”.. get your facts straight. But as fas as I’m concerned.. the other side can have his whiney wimpy ass.

  115. timo
    May 28th, 2008 | 04:59

    great… now my ipod’s useless

  116. dfg
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:00

    I doubt that this will take affect cause if it does then they will need to setup prisons to hold up to a few billion people cause everyone has downloaded something illege at sometime. I think this is all to try and stop the scene (or anyone that released stuff to the net) and i’m sure if one way of doing things is comprimised then they will think up another way.

  117. WORD
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:01

    STICKY THIS TO TOP OF FRONTPAGE !

  118. frank
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:01

    I AM NOT VOTING Canadian Conservative PATRY, FORGET ABOUT ME HARPER! This thing violates my rights. MY PRIVATE RIGHTS.

  119. Johnny Blanco
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:05

    I dunno about other countries but this is a clear violation of the 4th amendment which states:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated…

    Which means this would violate my constitutional rights. Period. End of story.

  120. intense5
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:12

    police state is a understatement in cali-
    people from across the globe are here caught with their handout and some elected official was asked by the illegal …if they should try to vote and guess what the official said?

    bottom line all! the cali public needs law enforcement!

    p.s. just stop by to thank all here at rlslog.

  121. The Word
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:23

    Meh, will never happen methinks. Even if a law is passed, it will be challenged in the supreme court of Canada. (a supreme court which fortified the “fair use” clause.) And will be struck down for violating the Charter of rights and freedoms. In other words. In order to pass this law, they would have to have consensus of the provinces to change the charter.

    If a law is struck down, a trade agreement is moot, due to sovereignty.

  122. Unbreakable /Bmore
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:26

    Thats a total invasion of privacy. Its like the government is saying ” We decide what is right and wrong from now on.” Warning should be issued before an arrest is made. This whole arrest first, talk later bull shiet has got to stop. If you tell someone, you know what there up too and the ramifications that could occur if he or she continues with that specific activity; they will stop, 90% of the time. Significantly reducing the amount of money lost to piracy, as well as the amount of money spent to keep them all in jail (courts…etc.). It is pure nonsense going with a hostile approach, not only is it a waist of man power but a burden to an already weakened economy. I hope they reevaluate their approach, because it could have disastrous results.

    -Unbreakable /Bmore

    “The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by
    the Prohibition law, for nothing is more destructive of respect for the
    government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced.”

    –Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A, 1921–

  123. defcon
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:31

    fuq it lets keep pirating!
    fuq http, lets go back to the roots, irc!

  124. Thraprod
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:39

    Hmmm… problem with that whole border thing is this: If you have a copy at home, in DVD format, it isn’t illegal to have a copy on your computer, whether you ripped it or downloaded it. Unless that somehow changed and I missed it somehow, you can have a backup. If you’re traveling -countries- would you rather carry your hard drive (laptop, phone, etc) with you, or a trunk full of DVD’s?! Are they going to make you keep and carry all your receipts so that you can produce them on demand?

  125. Kurt1230
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:39

    It is a Fear tactic.

    Information is Knowledge. Knowledge is Power.

    We have Power.

    Our generation is part of the freedom of information revolution.

    Now is the time to hold our ground.

    I will continue to seed and download as much as I can.

    Many Thanks to those who risk much in our Fight.

  126. sluGGo
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:41

    The US can’t even keep out a Mexican from coming in…and they think they can stop me from uploading? LoL!!!

  127. oms
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:44

    This is nothing new its actually expected how long is torrents going to stay alive ?.. just look at http://torrentfreak.com/ almost every day there’s news about a crack down of some sort. I`ll 100% grantee once torrents are gone something else will show up File sharing will not go away people are addicted.

  128. Human_Bean
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:47

    I´m safe from this crap living in a third world country, but I still don´t consider myself immune from this invasion of privacy and someday it will arrive here to. There must be something the vox populi can do against this, but how? Tell me who I gotta nuke. Long live privacy, anonymity and filesharing.

  129. bobbull
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:50

    that why i use newsgroup and sometime ftp
    torrent some time get funny.and you
    people forget they have the right to
    protect thire copyright materiel i,m not on
    there side they have that right.remember we are stealing.

  130. Sonny Le
    May 28th, 2008 | 05:58

    I was wondering if this legal suit will apply to Asia countries like Vietnam or Singapore. This is suck anyway but it won’t be easy to apply it in Southeast Asia ! Beware ACTA !

  131. T.O.
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:01

    @ Bojan. Makedonija is not third world. It’s post-communist. F*ck the police state conservative pr*cks. Somewhat of a lame post… they’re my initial reactions.

  132. intense5
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:08

    correction! #127
    some americans don`t want to stop a illegal from coming in!
    911…. some had many drivers licenses!

    if george w started landing mexicans in cuba like they do “some” islmic people without a trial! the word mexican would be gone in my country! and your in luck tonight all!
    i happen to be selling my country! cheap!
    cost… anyone who first speaks a complete sentence without raising the prize of a gallon of gas!

  133. Jesster20
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:13

    hey is rs links and all that illgal seeing its hosted in anouther country or would this make the use fo rs links illgal too and can any one tell what your really downloding of rs? never asked this just wantted to know

  134. blahblahblah
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:20

    hmm given what Mr X said in post 21, I think funding from internet sites like this could blast their funding out of the water. I mean, there contributions are in the 1000′s, if every sent 1cent to a bank acct for each torrent they downloaded as a kind of honour system, we could flat-out destroy ACTA

  135. Rawr
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:22

    I wouldn’t mind signing up myself and fighting at this but sometimes I agree with them when I see stuck up peeps that think they are so high and mighty that they can have what is free and profit and thing they’re all that.

  136. Ch1d0r1
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:31

    damn if i cant p2p im canceling my ISP connection. Might as well use a computer at a net cafe and save myself 49$ a month.

  137. Matt
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:41

    Good thing they can’t monitor my rapidshare downloads, unless they download what I am downloading and then that would make them criminals by their laws and have to go to jail :O

    I am guessing Mass Effect won’t be out till later today though, man I really want to play that game (already played a bit on 360 but hated controls).

  138. 7SeVeN7
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:46

    @40
    Aliant.net DOEASNT HAVE THEIR OWN NEWSGROUP

  139. BrutalBlake
    May 28th, 2008 | 06:56

    A large percentage of you are overreacting, the chances of this passing legislation is roughly not possible and if it did pass the first group of people they will come after is the uploaders and if that did happen i’m sure we all have the necessary IQ to realise we should stop downloading for awhile.

    This isn’t the end of the world, it’s far from it.

  140. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 07:11

    I could go into a long rant about how many DVDs I’ve bought that could be used as coasters or how many albums I’ve bought for one song. When movies were film and music was distributed on vinyl there was very little ‘piracy’. Greedy media moguls saw increased revenue in digital formats…so who facilitated what? Now ‘the mogul’ says (crying) “Please Mr. G-man I’ve created something that I can’t control”. If they had put this much effort into drugs or arms dealing then…
    When you’ve lived long enough, or seen enough, you may come to realize the truth. It’s not about black and white, it’s not about EU vs. U.S. vs. UAE ad infinitum. It’s about ‘those with’ vs. ‘those without’ IN EVERYTHING from the time you get up in the morning ’til the time you get up in the morning, cradle to grave, the powerful control you… They’re organized, they have influence, and they have lots of money…They WILL win… sorry but true.

  141. yingjai
    May 28th, 2008 | 07:21

    @119. vote NDP! they’re also against the SPP too.

  142. answer
    May 28th, 2008 | 07:23

    stick with private trackers and stay the hell away from rapidshare and other file servers. private trackers ftw.

  143. Q
    May 28th, 2008 | 07:40

    the problem with this is the searching of laptops, this could then be expanded to include searching for other things.

    And think of this from a business perspective, how many business men would want to travel when a border guard will search there laptop adding delays at the airport and possibly getting them locked up for a MP3 that may or may not be legal.

  144. YAY
    May 28th, 2008 | 07:50

    YAY NO MORE PIRACY!

    I CANT WAIT!

  145. TemplarLord
    May 28th, 2008 | 07:50

    International? So I’m not even safe in little, old Croatia anymore? Jezz, I guess we’ll all have to move somewhere now…

  146. Taboo Tongue
    May 28th, 2008 | 07:51

    Well seed the emails when we get them, and anyone\everyone who can join in the G8 protests do it.

  147. intense5
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:00

    #144 america is already allowing big brother to track you and breaking their own laws…. its not really about checking labtops its about how far can the so called elitists and power hungrey push you and how much will the people take and how big a lie will the world accept this time in history and then bam: the micro implant!
    look at how pointed george w`s ears have gotten since 911!

  148. 31337
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:29

    When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.

    ’nuff said.

    31337 :D

  149. MPAA-fan
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:33

    Another victory! Just delete my comment, I don’t care! Point is you pirates are in a loosing battle! Go MPAA, the Police and RIIFA! :D

  150. H
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:37

    hazah

  151. AmiKaze
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:38

    1984 baby!

  152. e3m88
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:44

    im a leecher.

  153. sentje
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:46

    They will only sue people who got big servers with illegal stuff on it, i think they will never sue the little man who downloads occasionally,

    Because of one reason, there is no human being on this planet who doesn’t have illegal software,music,movies,… :) they can’t put everyone behind bars.

    So what they are gonna do is probably searching who’s behind the releasegroups and sh*t,

    If those companies had some brain, they would offer movies,software,music,… for low prices on the internet or they would offer DVD’s or even the cinema for a lot cheaper.
    Its just unbelievable how much a movie costs, and then to know those companies earn 10 times more then it costs them.

  154. Kosherpig
    May 28th, 2008 | 08:57

    corporate greed with the jew lobbies strike again.

    FÜCK THEM ALL!!

  155. jose
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:01

    fkn whales.

  156. ZOMG
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:14

    This is just another step to destroy freedom. This gives them the possibility to search someone’s computer not just for piracy material, but also for stuff that they might deem as “dangerous” against the state police. If they find such a thing, the person becomes a terrorist and the rest is pretty straight forward with things like the patriot act…

  157. Loony
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:23

    well..once again all this is a sign that the industry are loosing pretty big $$$ with piracy..
    They start charging peoples homes with a swat team as if they were looking 4 a serial killer…
    ..but they instead are looking 4 a serial cracker..lol
    not even…just somebody sharing something..

  158. Loony
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:34

    PS.

    New World Order can suck my d!ck…

    u think there wont be Anti-New World Order..??? 4 sure..
    thats were the war is gonna be..And i will be holding my BFG

  159. evi1eye
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:39

    Come on… what are they going to do? nothing how many will get to court. How many kids under the age of 18 download from the internet! are they going to send them to court? The cost outways the profit…. In the end they will just give up.
    regards to all

  160. Outraged on the internet
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:41

    I’m going to keep expressing my outrage on the internet over this, I won’t do anything in real life like voting but by heck on the internet I will cuss and say all kinds of stuff because I am outraged.

  161. 97036
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:44

    To hell with the pseudo-fascist authorities, they can’t stop filesharing anyways.

  162. cassy
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:45

    ok noob question here…
    does this imply to Torrents only or its the same to filesharing sites like rapidshare, netloader,megashares etc…..????????

    i need a answer people im kinda freaking out here.. its time to move from switzerland and back to asia!!

  163. ZOMG
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:49

    @159

    When you are anti-something you are promoting that something.
    So you do not say you are anti-war, you say you are for peace.

    Peace.

  164. ZOMG
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:54

    @160
    Fighting piracy is just a side effect, like solving the problem in one blow.
    The real goal here is to allow the Police and other law enforcement agencies to freely search your computer for all they deem as “terrorist”.

    Wake up and smell the coffee! This anti-piracy gig is just an excuse to invade privacy and freedom of speech.

  165. Zoltan The Destroyer
    May 28th, 2008 | 09:59

    Soon all your bases belong us Mr. Harper …..
    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

  166. bulsnacca
    May 28th, 2008 | 10:14

    just another stealth tax in big brother britain,a governed society obsessed with cctv & speed cameras to tax the minions.fight for your rites brothers & sisters of our free internet world………….

  167. Life Data
    May 28th, 2008 | 10:17

    They will never gonna do this at all, Europe will not be okay with this agreement, EU is Over US for now, even economically so… CA & US SUCKS !

  168. hyper
    May 28th, 2008 | 10:21

    When these laws are made
    When these laws are in affect
    When the companies and Politicians are happy
    When all there income is from originals only
    who and what will they blame when no-one buys their crap!
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    themselves i hope……

  169. 20/20 vision
    May 28th, 2008 | 10:32

    READ more carefully. This is an AMERICAN legislation attempting to be foisted on the free world and crafted into INTERNATIONAL LAW by ALL countries who sign the document. Pretty much the only way we’re gonna beat this garbage is to make it so completely visible that it becomes an election issue. AMERICAN election because no matter what happens at the end of the day, canada will sign whatever america puts before us to sign. We’ll sign away our nation if america asked us to.

  170. Dirka Dirk
    May 28th, 2008 | 10:58

    newsflash 154, they have already sued many many individuals in the us.

  171. Bash
    May 28th, 2008 | 11:23

    @18… I would really like to see you in the scene :D (No, I’m not in the scene)… But why do normal p2p people try to envy the scene that much? aXXo is releasing very good quality releases often before the scene…

  172. thizzle
    May 28th, 2008 | 11:29

    of course us is gonna want to get piracy stopped. its the only place with movies and music you actually want to listen to. to bad it will never happen. piracy is gonna go on. always has been and always will be piracy. if they pass these laws then ill just rent movies and rip them that way. no way im gonna pay 20 or more bucks for a movie and fancy case when all i want is the movie. in china they cant stop piracy so they have to sell movies for 2-3 dollars just to try and make some money. why cant they do that sh!t everywhere. money hungry c0ck smokers

  173. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 11:49

    Losing money, my A$$; Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Paramount, $126,040,000 for four days in the U.S.. Again, this is not about ‘piracy’. This is about taking away your freedoms, your privacy. It’s merely an excuse but it WILL happen!

  174. The Deviant
    May 28th, 2008 | 11:50

    How long will it be before there is CCTV in every freakin’ cubicle in every toilet so they can watch what comes out of us in case we weren’t licensed to expel it from our bodies…

  175. ladd
    May 28th, 2008 | 11:51

    American economy is crumbling, they’ve got a lot of crap to worry about right now. This is just scare mongering. If anything, filesharing will become easier. They can never stop us!

  176. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 12:04

    Remember Bill Gates? Remember the $hit he was in a few years ago? Well old Bill turned over his OS exploits to the Gov’t and became a ‘team player’. His huge legal issues went away almost overnight. Google the Bilderberger Group… They want what you know. They want your money, they want what you own, they want your soul… They want to oowwn you! LMAO

  177. jim
    May 28th, 2008 | 12:24

    Sadly this is illegal in the eyes of all democracy’s but the world we live in now is becoming more and more of a police state not just individual countries are guilty anymore, but the entire world has lost its sense of reality, i prey that humankind is rekindled and this disease that is plaguing our governments will be expunged of its evil, Unfortunatly the only way this governmental control will cease is when all the previous members die off and we take the thrones of power from them, then and only then will this foolishness be brought to its knees

  178. Phoenix
    May 28th, 2008 | 12:52

    #44 I am american and you can shove all that GODs greatest country up the exit only. The US is not the devils advocate. We stick our nose in where it doesn’t belong all the time. It was good enough for america to have a war of the north and south and from it our country grew together. Yet we say do not let our troops come out iraq settle it themselves and grow. We tell other countries that we won’t trade if they don’t follow our rules yet hello america couldn’t make it without all the imports cause americans are to lazy to do it for themselves. Lets get real we don’t even vote for our own president cause if they don’t like the vote they change the ballots. Lets accept it that america has alot more problems than piracy. 1 out of every 5 people in the US are in prisons, another 1 out of every 7 are homeless or below poverty. If america would worry about its own problems and the real ones yes we would be a great country but we are to busy worrying about someone elses. So 1.5 billion is lost yearly in piracy well are the movie and music industries going to donate the found money to clear our national deficit or feed our homeless. NO!!!! Our dollar is losing value because we think we can give it all to other countries after we go in and destroy them. Hello take from americans to repair a city we destroyed that we shouldn’t have been in in the first place. Stupid politics is all we do have on our side. When we start keeping our nose at home other countries will stop wanting to drive planes into our buildings. If your gonna be the block bully sooner or later someone bigger will come along and kick your butt. We need to start thinking like intelligent americans not stupid politicians. When the movie and music industries starts taking care of our country instead of their VPs 5 million dollar home plans I will say protect them till then may the scene tell him to do with a 100k home like the rest of us!

  179. Embers
    May 28th, 2008 | 12:53

    Some of their misguided plans:

    Criminalizing willful infringements without motivation for financial gain. (i.e. file-sharing)

    Authority to act without complaint by right holders
    deterrent-level penalties and/or other measures to promote deterrence. (i.e. we have found another reason to throw you in jail if we want to)

    Authority to seize and destroy IPR infringing goods and equipment (i.e. your laptop, ipod)

    Authority to order ex parte (improper unilateral contacts with a court, arbitrator or represented party without notice to the other party or counsel for that party) searches

    Measures to overcome the problem of right holders not being able to get sufficient compensation due to difficulty in assessing the full extent of damage (i.e. wee feel that we’ve lost 10 million dollars by you sharing that song.)

    Safeguards for ISPs from liability, to encourage them to cooperate (i.e. like immunity for telco’s spying on civilians)

    And the list goes on and on…

    It is however very obvious that this falls in the same category as the ‘copyright infringement is supporting terrorists’ nonsense. They want to control the Internet. Free information and informed people, thinking for themselves, is extremely dangerous for the status quo of the powers that be.

  180. El Duderino
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:04

    Noo, not poor lil’ Switzerland =(

  181. streetracerns
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:09

    Japan would be a nice play to live …

  182. streetracerns
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:10

    place*

  183. sluggah
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:12

    they come in my place i got a machette ha ha come bring it pigs!!!

  184. mingu
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:16

    That’s rather worrying news about the Netherlands monitoring all internet traffic as they’ve just proposed exactly the same thing here in the UK. Of course the Americans have been illegally monitoring our communications for years with Project Echelon. Sounds like the usual conspiracy nonsense? Well have a look at this report from the European Parliament then…

    http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/rapport_echelon_en.pdf

  185. PuYa
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:24

    lol, that would indeed be possible in the US, but I don’t see any way it will be accepted in the EU. :)

  186. Embers
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:34

    @mingu, May 28th 13:16: Unfortunately we have the George W. Bu$h ass-licker, Jan Peter Balkenende, as prime-minister. He was able to get rid of Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, the other candidate for the office, by groveling at the feet of his American master so that Bu$h would allow Jaap to become NATO’s secretary-general

    Since then, all draconian plan coming from the US, like keeping track of what books people obtain from the library, have been silently implemented in the Netherlands. In the US there has at least been some resistance to those idiotic, fascistic plans.

    There must be a reason why the Bilderberg group has an office in Leiden and was named after Hotel de Bilderberg, near Arnhem, both cities in The Netherlands…

  187. TrIpleFel0n
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:35

    Just another way for he Jewish Mafia to get their greedy hooks into society. Fvck America! And fvck Canada! 3rd world douches’.

  188. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 13:59

    It’s NOT Bush. Bush is too stupid to wipe his own A$$. It’s the people behind the scenes. And it’s NOT the U.S. The control of the ‘wealth and power of the world’ is held by a relative few people most of whom do NOT hold ‘public’ office. Nor do these ‘people’ have YOUR best interests at heart. They draw your attention with the left hand while the right does it’s work.

  189. Armstrong14
    May 28th, 2008 | 14:08

    Well, maybe this won’t go through because a few of the countries listed above hopefully won’t sign! haha And well if downloads stop, I guess I’ll stop too, until a safe way comes out. I’m not getting fined or going to jail for something I downloaded. If this happens, this happens (sadly enough). If this doesn’t happen, YES! haha Tell me if there’s some sort of petition or fight I have to join!

  190. Born2b from Serbia
    May 28th, 2008 | 14:11

    @#17

    name, your post is the only positive and usefull on this page. Hats off to you m8, I’ve been looking for that :)

    As for this sad news, most of the things that should be said have been said by the other members. From my point of view changes will happen, but not that fast and not with such drastic messures. I mean, come on, the FBI has been fighting against piratebay for years now, and wow what a surprise, they are still running. Just chill and enjoy. BTW you might consider using pearguardian2 software if you are parranoid about your privacy while downloading torrents.

  191. common sense
    May 28th, 2008 | 14:26

    Yep, just as I thought. Was not more then 10 to 15 posts in and the anti-American BS starts to flow. We even had some nitwit say we should all vote for Democrats, yet neglecting to mention that it was a democrat that started this (must be a plant).

    I have warned you numerous times that as long as your country has signed on to the INTERPOL agreement, that the MPAA/RIAA can “reach out and touch you” and can do it legally. ALL the countries mentioned by Mr.X’s post have signed onto this INTERPOL agreement and allow this international police organization to have access to it’s citizens and you ragged on me, well now the chickens have come home to roost and it seems that your countries in the EU are being forced to agree to abide by the agreements they signed.

    Seems that your countries in the EU are not the glorious paradise that you have touted they were so wake up and smell the coffee boyo’s; and keep saying that the RIAA/MPAA cannot touch you just because you dont live in the US (and again it is not the citizens of the US that are doing this…keep that in mind next time you write “F^$K the US” from the safety of your parents basement) You keep telling yourself that even as they lead you into the docket and you hear the words “the honorable court is now in session”

    Twits!

    (Oh and for the one that tried to claim that looking at his stuff was a violation of his constitutional rights, he really needs a history lesson. There is NO right to privacy in the US Constitution and as such any and all “rights” or laws made on same cannot be constitutional or enforced, and besides…if you are at the border you are not in your home are you? And your laptop nor baggage are physically on your person are they? And once you remove your phone from your person to have it scanned, then it is no longer on your person and as such can be looked at. Jeeze, join the rest of us in reality for once)

  192. Stitch10925
    May 28th, 2008 | 14:29

    @31 pj (And anyone else for that matter)

    This movie here is a good example of how things should be:

    Good Copy Bad Copy (GCBC)

  193. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 14:50

    The European Parliament is about to vote on the IPRED2, the Second Intellectual Property Enforcement Directive.
    The vote is scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday 25th, so please act now.

    If IPRED2 passes in its current form, “aiding, abetting, or inciting” copyright infringement on a “commercial scale” in the EU will become a crime.
    Penalties for these brand new copycrimes will include permanent bans on doing business, seizure of assets, criminal records, and fines of up to €100,000.
    IPRED2’s backers say these copycrimes are meant only for professional criminals selling fake merchandise. But Europe already has laws against these fraudsters. With many terms in IPRED2 left unclear or completely undefined – including “commercial scale” and “incitement” – IPRED2 will expand police authority and make suspects out of legitimate consumers and businesses, slowing innovation and limiting your digital rights.

    If you live in the E.U., please, visit copycrime.eu .

  194. eTheBlack
    May 28th, 2008 | 15:10

    European Union???

    Well in EU the piracy is LEGAL! so how the f***???

  195. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 15:27

    IPRED2 passes, with tweaks to protect personal copying
    File sharers in the clear?
    By Mark Ballard and Lucy Sherriff → More by this author
    Published Thursday 26th April 2007 11:56 GMT

    The European Parliament voted yesterday to pass legislation that could still see people copying music or movies for their own personal use stand in the dock alongside hard-nosed counterfeiters and commercial copyright blaggers.

    The Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive (IPRED2) has been designed to criminalise people for intellectual property breaches. Opponents say it passed almost unchanged, and that it is, in parts, “dangerously unclear”.

    Guidoni, who says he still has reservations about the form of the bill, led a campaign to limit the rules on behalf of the European United Left. He commented: “Unfortunately, we were not successful in rejecting this directive, but at least we managed to secure some limitations that protect the private not for profit use of P2P and file sharing.”

    The directive now passes to the Council of the European Union, where ministers from member states will consider how to apply the directive country by country.

    Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) spokesman Danny O’Brien says there were really only two good possible outcomes: the first would have been an outright rejection. The other would be that the directive was so badly drafted and so unclear that the council would be unwilling to let it pass into criminal law and would tear it apart.

    The directive passing without many of the amendments its opponents were calling for leaves consumers at risk of heavy criminal penalties, O’Brien argues.

    “We’d be satisfied if the scope of the directive stuck to the examples that the commission give as to its effect, which is copyright piracy and trademark counterfeiting (which is the definition for criminal sanctions in TRIPS).

    “Anything more than that isn’t harmonising, it’s ratcheting up and broadening the scope of what is classed as criminal acts in the EU,” he told us.

    He added that even the UK government has opposed the directive, largely because it is not even clear that the EC has the competence (in the legal sense) to “harmonise” criminal law.

    Indeed, this is the first time the commission has stuck its oar into the murky waters of criminal legislation, and UK ministers argue that by the commission’s own measure the new IP rules are neither necessary nor proportionate.

    The UK also feels there hasn’t been enough time for member states to digest the last set of IP law from Brussels.

    Guidoni also has concerns about the EC drafting criminal laws. He said: “This directive lacks economic and social analysis and the basic requirements of criminal law: clear definitions of scope and crime. IPRED2 confuses piracy and commercial infringements. This makes it an instrument that could potentially criminalise the major parts of European industry and “ordinary people” can be treated as criminals.

    The proposals will mean “serious” IP cheats will face a maximum sentence of at least four years in prison and a €300,000 fine. Serious cases are those involving organised crime or posing a risk to health or security. Other IP breakers will face a €100,000 fine.

    Although some efforts have been made to limit the scope of the directive, many of the tabled amendments were still not legally tight enough for the EFF and fellow campaigners the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure (FFII).

    For instance, the directive’s rapporteur Nicola Zingaretti tabled an amendment that tried to define commercial scale, and tried (succesfully, as it turns out) to exclude patents from the scope of the new laws.

    But O’Brien argues that it was not a good thing that proposed criminal laws are being amended at such short notice, and often orally. He adds that even the strongest amendments were still fuzzy enough to define “commercial scale” infringement not by its intentions, but by its effects, leaving a huge hole which could be used to prosecute consumers.

  196. PrS!
    May 28th, 2008 | 15:39

    fack em all..

    While these richs facks are complaining about not getting enough cash, and others scared of losing their entertainment..

    Other people are dealing with worse problems.
    War & poverty for example…

    It’s been around for decades and no country has made any real effort to resolve these issues…but this whole filesharing thing which hasn’t been around for so long has gotten everyones attention with all major governments trying to put a stop to it.

  197. 1
    May 28th, 2008 | 15:51

    all to prisons. we will be sharing then prison2prison P2P next big global network :) and what happened to microsoft then … ?

  198. 97036
    May 28th, 2008 | 16:09

    What’s up with all the anti-semitism here? You guys actually believe jews rule the world? Learn from history, it doesn’t solve any problems at all blaming it all on jews…

  199. Lasher
    May 28th, 2008 | 16:17

    was just a matter of time, I guess it’s good. I’m no prude, and I download alot, but it’s still stealing, anyone who copies, downloads, watches, or sells pirate material is guilty, simple as that. if you think your sh*t smells of roses and your not guilty, your simply kidding yourself, or your just deluded.

    don’t get me wrong, selling copywrighted material is way worse then simple download, watch and delete, but it’s still stealing.

    just think about it, you spend years and years, hoping to bring an awesome gaming experience to pc gamers, or an awesome movie to the cinemas, you worked your ass off, whether it be good, or bad, you worked your ass off. Then you realise 85% of the people who bad mouthed it, or sang it’s praises didn’t even f**king pay for the privelidge.

    no wonder Crytek aren’t making Crysis PC Exsclusive anymore.

    which is part of the reason I am buying a PS3.

  200. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 16:26

    @ 200 Who said anything about Jews? Are you paranoid or something?

  201. AV 1611
    May 28th, 2008 | 16:43

    Yes it’s not the Jews its the Vatican controlled by the Jesuit order. Nights of Malta who are papal nights control and own Hollywood. The mafia control the porn industry who also answer to the Pope so this shows the true masters of the MPA. The Jews are simply scapegoats which the Vatican hate. They would love to start a new holocaust in America.

  202. Bane
    May 28th, 2008 | 16:49

    by time the time this law goes into place. encryption will be incredible. mp3s will be 20 kb in size. dvd rips no more than 10mb. everything single piece of media created in the history of mankind will be in digital format. unprotected and free for everyone.

  203. someone
    May 28th, 2008 | 16:52

    damn! it’s only a matter of time till they come sniff my ass to check if i pooped myself… this is bull$hit! it’s a violation of people’s privacy, and should never be accepted.
    stand up for your rights (yeah, like Bob Marley used to say).

  204. Dan
    May 28th, 2008 | 17:03

    Thats stupid, so basically everyone in my school gets their music from Limewire, which is “illegal”
    Thats alot of people if you include all secondary schools!

  205. King of Cycling
    May 28th, 2008 | 17:24

    comment
    eric
    May 28th, 2008 | 02:21 :

    “So I only noticed Canada, Switzerland and the European Commision.

    Hey, if it isn’t US then I’m ok with that!! LOL”

    YOU IDIOT!!!!

    ” “In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

    And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.” – Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

    Don’t leave it too late! don’t let the pigs beat the human race.

  206. Knowledge
    May 28th, 2008 | 17:33

    New World Order folks…

  207. Newtype
    May 28th, 2008 | 17:47

    Damn, what has the world come to? The things written in there are so ridiculous and shocking that it sounds like something from a science-fiction movie. Pretty weird, considering this idea comes from conservative governments!? Oh wait, yeah, when it comes to corporations, I forgot that all rights and morality are thrown in the water…

  208. dolFin luvr
    May 28th, 2008 | 17:53

    I love to have sex with dolphins …. ups i am on the wrong forum
    douchebag says what !!!!

  209. WM7
    May 28th, 2008 | 18:17

    @207 Thank you King of Cycling I have now copied that quote as it is profound and fitting the state of the world. Fight ACTA if you can… I googled it and have to go deep into the list to even find mention of it. Widespread awareness is what is needed. But… In the 1990′s there was no state income tax. There was great public outcry against it petitions etc. Noone wanted it but the governor and his cabinet…there is now an income tax… Eight years ago in the Republican primaries Bush and the party pummeled McCain and made him look the fool. Bush went on to… under extremely suspicious circumstances. Now McCain is the MAN. Much goes on in the world that we, the masses, know nothing about. But, there are strong indicators that we (and Gov’ts)have no control, probably never will have. Who pulls the strings? Don’t know, but, ACTA has nothing to do with filesharing.

  210. someone
    May 28th, 2008 | 18:46

    this situation somewhat reminds me of the game “On Mirror’s Edge”‘s story (the information exchange part… just read about it on wikipedia).
    one day, the only way to exchange data without others’ knowledge will be through physical contact, one person to another.

  211. RU
    May 28th, 2008 | 18:48

    @53 posted
    what if your government said no in 1944 no Canadian troops for d-day landings

    Yeah, that’s the same thing. You’re relating an illegal war that Iraq is to WW2? Lets see, 25% of American’s could see Iraq was either a lie or a bad idea right away. All of the other non-sycophantic countries could see it was a lie. This week we have one of Bush’s own coming out saying it was all smoke and mirrors. Yeah, deciding to fight Nazi’s is the same thing. Dolt.

    All this fear mongering has governments thinking-up 1984 ideas like monitoring the populace with camera’s everywhere, listening to phones, arresting people without reason or warrants, checking your papers when moving from place to place, which is essentially considering you guilty before innocent.

    As for the creation of these kinds of laws they start from lobbyists. Those names of people and companies, and the money are the donations to governments for favours. They give them money and they collect at a later date for whatever special interest they have.

  212. James
    May 28th, 2008 | 18:54

    God I hate this planet

    Please!!! Someone I don,t care who
    just get me off this rock !!!!

  213. Zwolf
    May 28th, 2008 | 20:23

    These days in regard to the law it’s worse to download a movie than to beat the crap out of his wife. Nonsensical?

  214. billboy
    May 28th, 2008 | 22:15

    Steve Harper is an asshead

  215. Alex
    May 28th, 2008 | 22:35

    I HAVE TO SAY:
    LEAVE INTERNET FREE. DON’T TRY TO SHUT DOWN THE LAST FREE SERVICE ON THE EARTH.

  216. dolFin luvr
    May 28th, 2008 | 23:46

    Internet is not free , you paying a fee for it or at least I do .. around $55 a month
    btw did you guys see any dolphins running around I need to have some sex tonite

  217. none
    May 29th, 2008 | 02:06

    “I will do everything in my power to educate the public about this horrible modern atrocity ”

    horrible modern atrocity?

    haha you’er fooking kidding right?

    numpty, get over it an go buy a movie

  218. Unbreakable /Bmore
    May 29th, 2008 | 05:56

    When I was a young kid; whenever people used to approach me and say something like, “Dude. Thats illegal. You can’t just throw a moltov co_cktail wherever you want.”I would say…

    “Chillll man, its not illegal unless you get caught.”

    -Unbreakble /Bmore

  219. TrIpleFel0n
    May 29th, 2008 | 06:24

    The internet and digital media age was supposed to be about offering information to the planets citizens for free. The day it becomes illegal to share information, is the day the New World Order has begun. There are people dedicating their lives to implamenting laws which will allow Governments to control what we watch, hear and deem as entertainment.

    It’s coming folks. Prepare!

  220. Nebula
    May 29th, 2008 | 06:26

    Will this new law be better then Halo 3?

  221. intense5
    May 29th, 2008 | 13:27

    take the mark or get you head cut off is more the new world order! this law and others are for millions and maybe billions they can cash in on! there`s a few ways to make it work! first thing i think will happan is these mega corps will merge! second… corps will have people like from india track you at pennies a hour compare to u.s. worker connected google or some corp! people will have a instant backround check and the corp with the bank roll will have the option to file charges! strickly connected to cost and amount uploaded! once your forced to get chipped it will fall into place nicely and your`ll be shocked by radio wave or gps when downloading or in court until you put in your credit card! they want the money just like with the war on drugs! the u.s. collects about a billion dollars in cash with war on drugs and forsees the 49billion they seem not to be able to collect! as soon as corps pay- they`ll say the new law works- we all know the laws are already on the books!

  222. knux
    May 29th, 2008 | 23:54

    im going amish cyall later

  223. Sep0h
    May 30th, 2008 | 02:19

    Well, as it may be the dam cable company here in Illinois shut my service off due to dl movies..?? eeh riight. how fcked up is that.. I called comcast which was insight and just recently converted, after i got a customer service rep they transfered me to higher rep supervisor or who ever. He advised me that i was downloading movies and what movies i dl and from what website.. piratebay. eeh :P .. but he also advised if i deleted the movies and bittorrent or any of its alike clients he would reactivate my service, inwhich he did and it took about 15 minutes or so.. but even with ip plantinum plus or any of those progs, can u prevent them from nowing wtf were doing..??

  224. Kwipper
    May 30th, 2008 | 04:41

    Honestly, I don’t even see how this could even pass. I am quite sure everyone but the media companies would be against this.

  225. Brett
    May 30th, 2008 | 19:19

    @84 While I agree with what you say, I have to add that I don’t consider myself any more or less of a thief than the film and music companies that have been ripping us off for years. When CDs and DVDs replaced tapes, both times, the industry bumped the prices up massively because they knew we would pay more for new technology. The fact is that tapes cost a lot more to produce than optical media yet the industry greedily charges us 30% or 40% more. They’ve had it all they’re own way for too long and now that they’re getting a dose of they’re own medicine, they don’t like it. Well phuck them!! Tough sh*t!!
    The answer is for the industry to recognize that it’s greed will no longer be tolerated. If they provided superior quality, cheap downloads of content they might be able to attract more customers back to legitimate downloads.

  226. Armstrong14
    June 13th, 2008 | 03:34

    Alright, so I was watching Dancing With the Stars while playing Gunsmoke on nesDS, when a news article flashed across CTV for tonight’s news, stating that illegal downloading will soon crack down, or something like that. I checked it out on Google Canada news, and, well here’s what it had to say.

    (http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hyirC9llI-9HJfgDetlix0PFSxCQ)

    PLEASE READ NOW.

    :( This law will allow the Canadian government to bully any random person at any given time when it becomes in effect. Looks like it’s true, hopefully the government realizes how stupid this law sounds. This stupidity makes me think of the Racoons show, more specifically the part in the intro where Syrril Snear (ruler of all pretty well) is on his pc, playing a game (which he probably downloaded) with his atari controller where he’s eating the trees in the forest… Lemme remake the intro, where you see the Prime Minister downloading a game where you see him in a huge plow, plowing down everyone’s homes so he can directly see into their homes ;)

    Show us all how to mask IP’s from the gvt. now, somebody!!! :P

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