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Piracy isn’t THAT bad and they know it


I received a very pleasant mail today. My inbox is usually full of stupid cease & desist messages from various antipiracy organizations, but it’s mails like this one which make you happy. It’s good to see that some people realize that internet piracy isn’t just evil…

To Whom It May Concern:

My name is Eric D. Wilkinson and I am the producer of a small independent film called “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth” (our review).

I am sending you this email after realizing that our website has had nearly 23,000 hits in the last 12 days, much of it coming from your website. In addition, our trailer, both on the www.manfromearth.com site and other sites like YouTube, MySpace and AOL has been watched nearly 20,000 times AND what’s most impressive is our ranking on IMDb went from being the 11,235th most popular movie, to the 5th most popular movie in 2 weeks (we are also the #1 independent film on IMDb & the #1 science fiction film on IMDb). How did this all happen? Two words: Torrent / File Sharing sites (well, four words and a slash).

More specifically, RLSLOG.net. Our independent movie had next to no advertising budget and very little going for it until somebody ripped one of the DVD screeners and put the movie online for all to download. After that happened, people were watching it and started posting mostly all positive reviews on IMDb, Amazon and other places. Most of the feedback from everyone who has downloaded “The Man From Earth” has been overwhelmingly positive. People like our movie and are talking about it, all thanks to piracy on the net!

Am I upset… surprisingly no. Thanks to everyone who has downloaded this torrrent and watched the film, our awareness level is through the roof. For that I say, “THANK YOU”!

What you guys have done here is nothing short of amazing. In the future, I will not complain about file sharing. YOU HAVE HELPED PUT THIS LITTLE MOVIE ON THE MAP!!!! When I make my next picture, I just may upload the movie on the net myself!

This guy really deserves support from the file shareing community! You can support producers of The Man From Earth by buying the retail DVD, which should be available in the US stores from tomorrow.

Update: Proof for the non believers:

With so many scams on the internet these days it is not entirely surprising that some may jump to conclusions about the legitimacy of this whole ordeal. Well for one I can tell you he does indeed check out as legitimate. Here are some reasons:

  1. his comment IP matches his comcast ISP when a whois query is initiated
  2. his email is the same on his myspace page and he references in his rlslog comments
  3. he recently added more proof with an image of himself with the rlslog.net website

Recently his new myspace message confirms. Also the Director, Richard Schenkman gives his backup that both of the men have “discussed the matter quite extensively before reaching out to the download community.” But their whole idea behind ‘going public’ was to “pull a Radiohead… to reach out to the online community and say, “If you downloaded this movie and liked it, please buy the DVD; and if you can’t buy the DVD where you live, please send us some money.”

Eric: Here’s is a picture I took of myself five minutes ago in front of my computer screen while logged into rlslog.net.

Comments (361)

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  1. shockyxl5
    November 22nd, 2007 | 20:20

    Be careful i’ve just received a law suit for downloading a game via new torrents that i found on releaselog for £500 so someone is watching us

  2. The Dude
    November 23rd, 2007 | 18:38

    Great for the dude. He made fame but not money. Hard to make both from an independent film.

    As for piracy vs commercial? It’s the same argument as this: Gift Economy vs. Barter Economy. Neither bad and both are necessities.

    ~The Dude

  3. corroded
    November 24th, 2007 | 01:17

    Quality.

    Please release this as a Region 2 DVD!

  4. Rich
    November 24th, 2007 | 01:26

    great movie, worth watching, crap quality cam though!!!!

  5. Tom
    November 24th, 2007 | 06:01

    My copy of the “The Man From Earth” DVD should ship from Amazon in a couple of days, the order is just waiting on Paprika.

    Much better SF movie then the usual Hollywood crap.

  6. blank kid
    November 24th, 2007 | 11:41

    Well, as a artist, I will mention that if I send ANYTHING
    which I have createde, my PRIMARY goal is for people to
    see what I have created, and share it, since the more people that see
    my art I produce, the happier I will be. True there is a
    financial downfall, but maybe this is the “electronic great depression”
    where everyone on Earth is in a depression of some form.

    Maybe artists will end up agreeing that they can have someone else
    distribute their work. The major question is: (I am NOT a lawyer)
    How about adding a extra fee (it can be small but pennies can make ppl wealthy)
    to for users of ISP’s who mostly share with each other.
    Something that the EFF proposed. (I trust the EFF more than the ACLU when it comes to technology
    and “law” whatever this whole legal mess is.
    Then again, as a artist I know if I go into a business where
    I “sell” what I create i know beforehand that it’s not a good
    business model to force something down people’s throats.
    I say..Why has it become so difficult for ALL of us on Earth
    to simply work TOGETHER, since we’re all on this planet together.
    Maybe we could come up with solutions that are better than solutions that may be
    invasive.

  7. redalert
    November 24th, 2007 | 22:31

    Well, my humble opinon is that the ’scene’ is of benefit to those who use it, and those that produce it, although ‘The Man’ would never admit this as he feels he is entitled to earn every last penny from other peoples creativity.
    My view is that those that partake in the scene (Releasing, or Downloading) make a contribution to the art of others, my issue is when others sell it on, they are just as bad as ‘The Man’,

    HU!!
    RA

  8. Markstar
    November 25th, 2007 | 16:27

    > This page is featured on the front page of Metafilter.

    [URL=http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/23/piracy-helps-artists]TheInquirer[/url] had a little article as well.

  9. mokum von Amsterdam
    November 28th, 2007 | 16:51

    WOW
    Simply amazing that there are movie makers who actually _think_
    For this, the makers of man from earth got a good link from my site too. Keep it up guys!

  10. mokum von Amsterdam
    November 28th, 2007 | 16:52

    BTW
    In Holland this article and the happy news was posted too. Right here: http://retecool.com/post/de-filmmaker-die-ons-bedankte

  11. LMFAO
    November 28th, 2007 | 20:18

    Ignore Nr [B]312[/B]:
    Thats not the original Firefox site

  12. Kush
    November 30th, 2007 | 04:32

    the movie was great. i have nothing but positive feedback for this movie. i recommend this movie to all my friends. i’m glad to see a director thanking the whole file sharing community.

  13. Eric D. Wilkinson
    November 30th, 2007 | 05:06

    Greetings and Salutations…

    I know many of you who have seen “Man From Earth” are from some far away places. If you have a sec, head over to this IMDb thread:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/board/thread/91063204

    And just tell us what country you are from and that you would support a DVD release in your country. That would really help.

    We had a decent 1st 2 weeks of sales, not “Transformers” numbers, but pretty good for an indie release. The nice thing was that the numbers held up pretty well for week 2, which usually doesn’t happen.

    Also, if you are in the US, J & R Music World (www.jr.com) has put “The Man From Earth” on sale for only $9.99! That’s the cheapest price yet. If you haven’t picked it up, that’s the place to go.

    Thanks again.

    Eric D. Wilkinson

  14. RedKing
    November 30th, 2007 | 21:59

    Well I sent a donation but only a small one $5. I wouldn’t give more unless I was getting a DVD Image and going to keep it. I viewed it more like me paying for a rental viewing. I’d certainly do they same for others like brick, if I could.

    Form some of Eric D. Wilkinsons other comments I wonder if he realises that people who didn’t like the movie aren’t going to buy or donate, should they?.

    A lot of people who downloaded probably ain’t even watched it yet and even more don’t know yet about the donate option.

    I’m actually surprised that from certain Christian groups we haven’t seen more of a backlash, I thought they’d get to a certain point in the film and the placards would come out.

  15. Eric D. Wilkinson
    December 1st, 2007 | 02:41

    Greetings RLSloggers…

    Please check out this article:

    http://www.studiodaily.com/filmandvideo/technique/8809.html

    From mainstream press Film and Video discussing Man From Earth and the influence from P2P.

    Thanks again!

    Eric D. Wilkinson

  16. RedKing
    December 1st, 2007 | 04:51

    Sorry I should have added this in the earlier post. But I also paid for the recent radiohead internet release though I almost didn’t.

    Like I imagine many people who downloaded I’ll also be buying the material off the shelf because of the extra videos and stuff.

    So maybe other people figured they didn’t want to pay twice. I’m just saying I think if the material was only available via the web then I think more people would have contributed. In the end I decided it was important enough for me to show my support for the idea that I was willing to pay twice.

  17. chicosoft
    December 4th, 2007 | 01:01

    Hi, i loved the film.

    Im from Portugal, when it will be for sale in Europe?

    Thanks

  18. Eric D. Wilkinson
    December 4th, 2007 | 05:09

    Chicosoft,

    We are working on it, I promise you. Hang in there, as we hope to have some news soon about this film being available in international territories.

    Thanks.

    Eric

  19. random.user
    December 14th, 2007 | 06:41

    Thanks should be to the producers for such an open mind. There is no way I can order the DVD since it is in a different region code than the players over here play, but I saw the movie, and I sent them money on their website, an amount I thought was valid for the amount of interest I had in the movie. thats how it should be. welcome to the future!

  20. LMFAO
    December 15th, 2007 | 00:31

    over 10 days no sign…is he dead?

  21. Stomper709
    December 25th, 2007 | 07:07

    Thank you. Eric D. Wilkinson producer of a small independent film called “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth”.
    I will buy your films, I thought it was “fantastic”. I have already told all my friends about it and even had them looking for it before it was released at the movie stores. Kinda funny tryin to explain to one of my friends why he couldnt buy the movie just yet. When he finally saw it he loved it. Briliant work Sir, I for one will be happy to help keep the buzZ alive.
    THX

  22. Eric D. Wilkinson
    December 25th, 2007 | 15:59

    No, not dead… just busy trying to get the foreign rights sold!

    Just dropping by to say Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah or Happy EVERYTHING (depending on what you celebrate.

    Will update here again soon.

    Cheers!

    Eric

  23. EGM
    January 2nd, 2008 | 00:35

    Great Movie!! the best than i’ve seem in last years
    Gran pelicula… de lo mejor q he visto en los ultimos años

  24. Mystical
    January 2nd, 2008 | 03:36

    Wow the movie was awesome. The work is great. I’ll be telling everyone about it. I don’t brag about movies mostly because they don’t make me want more, but this movie did it. Without special effects, without violent actions, just a simple story. I will try to donate soon, and I will try to keep donating that is how awesome the film was. Definitely buying the DVD.

  25. Eric D. Wilkinson
    January 5th, 2008 | 17:53

    Just checking in…

    I know this message board has calmed down a bit, however, If you are reading this, I wanted to ask you to go to:

    http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2007/12/30/slice-of-scifi-poll-for-week-beginning-december-30-2007

    and VOTE FOR “JEROME BIXBY’S THE MAN FROM EARTH”

    Thanks so much and continued thanks for your support.

    Eric D. Wilkinson
    Producer
    Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth

  26. kakys
    January 16th, 2008 | 02:16

    I just LOVED the MAN FROM THE EARTH. The movie was amazing, awesome and so on. No visual effects, but ONLY BRILIANT IDEA and story line.

  27. japanese little d..k
    February 1st, 2008 | 16:35

    whoa that guy looks like one major pillowbita

  28. Eric D. Wilkinson
    February 2nd, 2008 | 07:26

    Dude, not cool.

  29. Eric D. Pillowbiter
    February 2nd, 2008 | 15:37

    dude, homo.

  30. rtm
    February 5th, 2008 | 20:03

    I really hope you go on to create/be a big part of many movies just as wonderful as this one Mr. Wilkinson. I hope the buss created by all this makes it possible to do all that you’ve envisioned… Good Luck. And thanks for the great post Rlslog.net :)

  31. Eric D. Wilkinson
    February 6th, 2008 | 21:44

    japanese little d..k,

    Oh, I’m sorry. I get it now… “dude, homo” is you telling the world that you practice an “alternative lifestyle” and your “pillowbita” comment to me was said clearly out of personal experience. Good luck on your search for a boyfirend, but I don’t recommend hitting on people on the internet like this. Buy hey, best of luck to you on your search.

    rtm,

    Thanks for the kind words. Working on a new movie now and will be happy to send an update on the progress when we get out of the development stage.

    E

  32. Eric D. Wilkinson
    February 21st, 2008 | 06:16

    2008 SATURN AWARD NOMINEE!!!

    This morning we received the wonderful news that “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth” was nominated for “Best DVD Release” in the 34th Annual Saturn Awards (http://www.saturnawards.org/nominations.html).

    We couldn’t be more pleased, nor feel more honored. One of our primary goals from the start of this project was to do right by Jerome Bixby’s legacy within the science fiction community, and this nomination, we feel, recognizes that effort.

    Our thanks go to all the members of The Academy of Science Fiction Fantasy & Horror Films, especially the members of the DVD committee.

    And to fans of the film… if you happen to KNOW anybody on the DVD committee, please let them know how much you like it!

    warmest greetings–
    Richard Schenkman
    & Eric D. Wilkinson

  33. Ace
    June 27th, 2008 | 02:34

    The attitude I see here of some people is pretty stupid, pirating a film on the theaters right now will not do anything positive for the company, this guy had free promotion, good for him, he did not have to money to promote it like the big films did, It did help this particular case, but did they stop to think that this guy needs every penny he can get from the film? hes not ritch so to him it makes a difference. I don’t see how it means that it applies to even 5% of the movies out right now.

    Anyways I do see movies in the theater, sometimes even If I’ve seem them on pirated dvd’s, why? Because Theather kicks the ever living crap out of my pc or watching them in my house.

    Also I find it a little disturbing that some people quickly go saying that “The Artist don’t do it for the money, its the company in charge of them”.. That’s the only reason 99% do it for, not for your enjoyment, if that was the case then their concert would be expensive enough just to cover their bills maintenance etc from the consert and not get a huge profit for themselves.

  34. MrEnigma
    July 25th, 2008 | 02:00

    I actually started downloading only becuz every movie or CD i bought sucked and i was sick of wasting my money on crap. If i download and get something i like, i always go out and buy it.

    If the industry wants to stop downloading they should start by putting out a better product. A lot of the stuff the industry releases is just to get people to buy it anyways with not enough emphasis on quality.

  35. G
    August 30th, 2008 | 11:06

    This is a rather old post… but I just watched the movie and googled it. I must say it is an awesome movie.

    Regarding the topic of piracy, although it is “bad” that most of us download and thus not pay for the movie, it is also true that sometimes companies have no respect for the viewer/client/etc and not only in terms of movies but of video games, etc. I can’t count the times that, when I finish watching a downloaded movie, I think..” sigh.. I would feel really bad paying 15 AUD for such a #@%@#%”.

    Fortunately this is the opposite..an extremely good movie..I will definitely buy the DVD and watch it at home with my family.

    Cheers to the producers/writers!!! Congrats

  36. Eric D. Wilkinson
    September 1st, 2008 | 01:53

    Thanks for the kind words! For those of you who are reading this for the first time and saw Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth by way of P2P, we are still accepting donations (or you can just buy the DVD in the US or the UK)! Please go to http://www.manfromearth.com if you are feeling generous.

    Thanks! Eric D. Wilkinson

  37. lol
    January 2nd, 2009 | 03:22

    THIS SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE, THIER IS NO 'LAW' ON THE NET. ORGANIZATIONS CAN DO VERY LITTLE TO PROFIT BECAUSE OF THAT.

    WE ARE THE BACKBONE OF FUTURE VIDEO ENTERTAINMENT!! IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT THIER WILL BE GAME/ANIME MOVIES IN PRODUCTION THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

    WE OWN THIS S H I T/SCENE PIRATES!!

    P2P FOREVER!!

  38. lol
    January 8th, 2009 | 03:13

    WE ARE THE REAL THING, THEIR THE ILLUSION!!!

  39. drone
    January 9th, 2009 | 21:38

    @lol….

    You sir, are a prize buffoon, a spasticatted twat. Run home now i can here your mummy calling.

  40. lol
    January 20th, 2009 | 02:17

    well drone, if u say so, please explain ur reason for ur words, how u came to that conclusion. do u have a problem the way I'm aproaching this. u would prefer that their was no piracy

  41. caveman
    February 7th, 2009 | 01:13

    IMDb ratings are obviously very important nowadays and these guys found a clever way to make many people vote a 10. This is just part of a marketing strategy if you ask me… The movie is a nice idea, but not much more. I like the CV of the director, though :)

  42. hertzberg
    March 1st, 2009 | 22:13

    Reading this email made me cry like a baby in a microwave. I am so touched I am going to give all my money to charity. Who wants to hold hands and sing hyms?

  43. A
    April 7th, 2009 | 05:31

    once he is famous, then he will hate piracy.

  44. sneezewortt
    April 19th, 2009 | 08:11

    we had a speaker who is the head of anti piracy at disney corporation as well as other things, and he discussed how torrents and downloading are no longer their major concern, that the actual bootleg copies that enter the market are the major concern, the ones that are physical dvd's, he said that torrent users (from disney corps studies) hardly hurt their profits, most people who download movies would have never bought the dvd or went to the theaters to begin with or will buy the dvd anyways if they enjoyed the film, he seemed to be argueing that most of the time torrent users hardly harm their major profits, he showed charts of their film profits over the time period before any major downloading sources online till now and there were hardly changes in their losses, he was more woried about stoping bootleg dvd's by delaying film releases in countries that have not made video camera's illegal in theaters or countries that are known for large amounts of bootleg dvd's till they have made most of their release profits across the globe, thought it was interesting to hear that from the head of disney corps anti-piracy group

  45. M@nSenY@R
    April 24th, 2009 | 15:29

    incredible…I think they should sit on the same table with those netloaders to discuss future of media. Some part of the cash should also be shared by the viewers.U know…They making many releases and by advertising they attract our attention and spending our so much valuable 1.5-2 hours of us for their each film…What is that?:P yeah…That producers is a gentleman. I am waiting his new release to be downloaded by himself…Dear webmaster, u continue and we are supporting u…c..u'

  46. burn
    May 15th, 2009 | 23:13

    have to say this is a most awesome movie, no special effects and probably a truly tiny budget, but a real thinking film.
    I highly recommend a watch

  47. Jacob
    May 27th, 2009 | 04:19

    Well, congratulations to the film producer and cast and kudos to rlslog.net.

    This is a rare yet fortunate outcome of piracy that benefits the smaller players out there that need to get noticed and is the exact opposite sentiment for mainstream film companies that lose a lot to piracy. I wonder if Mr. Wilkinson will still appreciate piracy once he goes mainstream.

    I won't be a hypocrite and I admit that I download torrents.Just keeping it real.

  48. oly scott
    June 24th, 2009 | 07:56

    I kinda understand where you are coming from but there is one major difference between your little independent movie and the big hollywood movies…they want to make shed loads of money and recoup the multi-millions they spend.

    Don't get me wrong, I love to be able to download movies, music, games etc. and my reason for doing this is simple. I personaly would never pay to go see many of the movies or buy every game or CD on the store shelf. I have to be selective and this so called piracy helps me be selective and buy the things I really enjoy.

    I think if they really clamped down on piracy it would hurt them more than they realise and they would see a drop in sales across the digital media industry, from cinema attendances to games, dvd and cd purchases. Espesically in the current economic climate we don't have bottomless pockets and have to be very selective on where our hard earned, over-taxed wages go.

  49. ty
    July 2nd, 2009 | 13:37
  50. yy
    July 3rd, 2009 | 13:13
  51. exever
    July 15th, 2009 | 17:52

    this is because:
    1) limited budget
    2) expected to earn nothing
    3) expected almost nobody to watch it

    now go and tell "piracy aint that bad" to universal, fox, or paramount

  52. McVily
    July 29th, 2009 | 11:52

    Well finally someone saw how stupid economy of today can be.

    If all Movies/music/games enterprises would stop to invest their money in anti-piracy protections and advertising and act as this guy, they would probably earned more money than now cause of expenses cut-off that would be drastical.

    Most of peoples have somewhere deep in their mind feel of obligation to pay fair price for product/service they use. However they are also feel revolt when trying to be ripped off by paying what they find unfair price.

  53. Flagwham
    August 11th, 2009 | 11:15

    Great stuff. This is how it should be. Hollywood is stuck in the past and needs to reform. I haven't seen the film that was mentioned but if it was good, I'd be happy to send him a donation. Nice one RLSLOG!!

  54. Flagwham
    August 12th, 2009 | 20:17

    Update! Just saw the film and thought it awesome. Have donated $5 for the project as I believe it is a cause worth supporting!!

    Great film and thanks for your cool response to rslog!!

  55. plastic
    August 14th, 2009 | 11:59

    i love this movie. when its out on bluray im definitely going to buy it!

  56. Albert
    August 25th, 2009 | 19:11

    dear author,

    pls tell Eric D. Wilkinson to release his next movie under creative commons license. So that a lot of other people who would like to watch movie legally can benefit. It will reduce the number of "pirates" aka illegal users in the community.

    I hope you will forward my message to the producer.

    http://creativecommons.org

  57. amir
    September 8th, 2009 | 17:13

    piracy is a total mess, it waste people hard work and through it on the floor becuase simply u just stole the work of monthes and simply just upload it for free,
    they are going to stop someday , and a lot of jobs will be lost and your economy will go more bad and finaly u, urself will be affected,
    simple theory and i am sure u heared it million time

    just one thing at last
    i never ever buy any software , i only download them for free from your website
    why wud u pay if u can get it for free LOL :D
    hehehehehehehhehehehhehe

  58. uggshere
    October 8th, 2009 | 15:33
  59. Snarf
    October 21st, 2009 | 08:14

    Well he did great. Getting a nomination for a Saturn Award… without wasting 100 millions on publicity stunts?
    There are now 2 shows on TV that just got there so much hype because of the Internet. Lost and FlashBack. Look at those series and see them on the first and what happened to them when the episodes just stacked the net. Millions where discussing it, millions where watching it and giving predictions. Lost had so much hype that the ABC website was crashing after each episode. And that couldn´t be only american people. Then the DVDS got out and they started to sell.
    With flashback the same is happening. Even with good levels of people watching it on TV, the internet is a freeway for getting them publicity. The TV trailers where weak and just showed that “the world got sleepy for 237 minutes and hell break lose”. Well after the second episode, they got more people watching than Survivor…

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