Piracy isn’t THAT bad and they know it
I received a very pleasant mail today. My inbox is usually full of stupid cease & desist messages from various antipiracy organizations, but it’s mails like this one which make you happy. It’s good to see that some people realize that internet piracy isn’t just evil…
To Whom It May Concern:
My name is Eric D. Wilkinson and I am the producer of a small independent film called “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth” (our review).
I am sending you this email after realizing that our website has had nearly 23,000 hits in the last 12 days, much of it coming from your website. In addition, our trailer, both on the www.manfromearth.com site and other sites like YouTube, MySpace and AOL has been watched nearly 20,000 times AND what’s most impressive is our ranking on IMDb went from being the 11,235th most popular movie, to the 5th most popular movie in 2 weeks (we are also the #1 independent film on IMDb & the #1 science fiction film on IMDb). How did this all happen? Two words: Torrent / File Sharing sites (well, four words and a slash).
More specifically, RLSLOG.net. Our independent movie had next to no advertising budget and very little going for it until somebody ripped one of the DVD screeners and put the movie online for all to download. After that happened, people were watching it and started posting mostly all positive reviews on IMDb, Amazon and other places. Most of the feedback from everyone who has downloaded “The Man From Earth” has been overwhelmingly positive. People like our movie and are talking about it, all thanks to piracy on the net!
Am I upset… surprisingly no. Thanks to everyone who has downloaded this torrrent and watched the film, our awareness level is through the roof. For that I say, “THANK YOU”!
What you guys have done here is nothing short of amazing. In the future, I will not complain about file sharing. YOU HAVE HELPED PUT THIS LITTLE MOVIE ON THE MAP!!!! When I make my next picture, I just may upload the movie on the net myself!
This guy really deserves support from the file shareing community! You can support producers of The Man From Earth by buying the retail DVD, which should be available in the US stores from tomorrow.
Update: Proof for the non believers:
With so many scams on the internet these days it is not entirely surprising that some may jump to conclusions about the legitimacy of this whole ordeal. Well for one I can tell you he does indeed check out as legitimate. Here are some reasons:
- his comment IP matches his comcast ISP when a whois query is initiated
- his email is the same on his myspace page and he references in his rlslog comments
- he recently added more proof with an image of himself with the rlslog.net website
Recently his new myspace message confirms. Also the Director, Richard Schenkman gives his backup that both of the men have “discussed the matter quite extensively before reaching out to the download community.” But their whole idea behind ‘going public’ was to “pull a Radiohead… to reach out to the online community and say, “If you downloaded this movie and liked it, please buy the DVD; and if you can’t buy the DVD where you live, please send us some money.”
Eric: Here’s is a picture I took of myself five minutes ago in front of my computer screen while logged into rlslog.net.
Comments(415)
Wow, seriously?
Good for him, it seems good things do come from piracy… makes me want to go and upload some more warez for the masses
…plus now I have a warm and fuzzy feeling inside
That’s awesome.
I watched the movie and it very good.
Eric D. Wilkinson, if you ever think your going to have to worry about the next movie, forgerit. You are in for it now.
see we are not all that bad
well, I guess now I should download the movie(s) and watch them. If good, buy them when they come out. Someone with this positive reaction should not go unrewarded.
I love hearing things like this.
I thought the movie was really interesting too.
One of a kind.
Most of those indiependent artists, regardless the field they participate in, have nothing to fear. On the contrary…they put their name and work into anyone’s awareness.
Even Radiohead understood this simple fact. They managed to earn a fortune just by “selling” 160Kbps files, before their cd even appeared on the selfs. That way they promoted their work and gained hundreds of pounds as well.
Very good news for both parties!
Lovely to hear things like this! Wish there were more guys (or girls?) like the one that sended you this e-mail.
I like the movie , very intressting and very intressting dialogs
ill think i will buy it when it comes out !
SuperB
Dloaded it as well but havent watched it yet.
Gonna do that for sure now
Things like these is why i download (j/k)
But thanks to piracy ive come in contact with alot of music i wouldnt know otherwise.
Also bought many CD’s since i liked them so much.
Ill never buy something i havent been able to use fully before. I only buy it when its worth it.
wow, thats nice.
Imma have to dload this movie once I get inet back workin at home!
this shows that only bad movies have to fear piracy!!!
I’ve been telling people that for years. Nice to see some proof. File sharing creates a buzz.I find myself speaking of movies I watch at work and find out they go see them at the theatre over the weekend. Word of mouth advertisement in it’s purest form.
ERIC:
If you can se this, im very happy to read your mail since that shows the heart of the industry, to make movies! and for people to se them, ofcrs you want money for your work and you should, i hope people will buy the retail DVD so that you will be able to create your next movie soon.
That is what piracy is all about, id be more then happy to buy your dvd just for the support, we need more people like you in the movie buisness that realizes the truth.
Thanks and i will download this movie first to se what its all about
Cheers
This is really good news. Being an actor I have quite a few friends who are in small budget movies that are of a good quality, and I have been telling them that they should stick them on sites like this to gain interest. I will continue to do so!
why doesnt every movie producer show some paypal account in his movie, so that people who liked it and downloaded it can give them some money? fighting piracy is useless, but using it for good purposes will bring you further
I have not grabed this one yet, as this guy seems super cool I will grab review and spread the word (if good or bad in my opinion).
Great atitude from this chap.
Io Martin.
Glad you posted it gives us a warm cozy feeling.
Maybe you should “bump” this topic when the DVD hits the stores.
Love to hear from the “little people” that instead of whining
from the profit they lost, glee on the attention they got.
Maybe if Hollywood didin’t spend millions in exploding cars,
insane paychecks an all-round spending frenzy in a movies’
production, they probably profitted more…
Cool, I might buy it when its released in the UK.
This is cool!! Shows that filesharing can help the arts!!
Seriously, I never thought I would see the day.
Take this as an example you anti-piracy groups.
This is funny .Guy have absolutely right .
But what he ACTUALY GET from piracy ?
Like he said “our awareness level is through the roof”.Nothing about MONEY people .So this guy who is “My name is Eric D. Wilkinson and I am the producer of a small independent film ” said he will make another movie and put it himself over internet ?
This is FUNNY .How many people he think he will invest into his new movie ? No matter how good it is .Put it over internet aka GIVE IT for free and no money will be made .
Or u guys think that radiohead receipt is universal apply ?Radiohead WHERE ALREADY FAMOUS .If u put your mp3 over internet and ask people to give u money how much u think u will make ? NOTHING .
So u will be forced to wake up in the morning and go to WORK quiting making GOOD MUSIC .Why ? All because basicaly u need to pay bills .Eat put gas into your car and not the less pay for internet bill .
Good luck to all producers who decide to “give/sell” their content over internet .
I watched the movie. I liked the story but IMO the acting was a poor. I will buy it when it comes out just because this person was honest and super cool to come forward and write that!
Regards
Simon
thanks for the cheer up, magnificent & daring movie, i voted 10 on imdb
Hay this is lovley news, although i aint seen the movie i think this would be a great opportunity for others like yourself as i normally would download a movie to pass time but if the movie is great then get the dvd. lets just hope this dont hit the news or both rlslog and Eric D. Wilkinson will both be walking on ice waiting to fall through.
THANK U FOR A GOOD MOVIE
I really enjoyed it and im going to BUY IT!
Thank U once again To Rslog:) and to the movie producer:)
Norway
Isnt it great to read this kinda stuff
Thanks site-owner for putting the mail up on the frontpage as well… you could have held it all for urself.
And thanks writer to see this obvious advantage, especially for smaller independant films.
I watched it, and LOVED the movie so frigging much
I’m buying the DVD.
The movie is actually good….i enjoyed it very much. I think a purchase is in order here…
Edit: Holland
Ditto on everyone else.
I’ll buy this when it comes out, nice guys deserve a break.
now ill need to watch this movie
and ill buy DVD if its that good. We need to support such people.
=) This post made me smile.
Don’t get me wrong, but i think that peple who produces movies like “The Man From Earth”, can afford write things like this. I very appreciate such kind of gesture,but its only because its small budget movie..
Becouse we’re breaking the chain. We download it, they have less money, and than they’ll stop producing Heroes! It sad, but i afraid also the a truth
Huge studios and producers can not affort support this website and similar sites,because they will be immediately go bankrupt and there would by nothing for us to download. And thats why we’ll be alwas the bad guys.
But after all it’s nice to read it..
well ill be damned, never thought id hear any such news, too bad it wont be available where i live just yet, if ever, but i might just order a copy after i watch it, just because this nice news;D
this sounds too good to be true
i can’t avoid having a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, the industry wants to fight against us so badly they forgot that maybe if they thought of some solution both sides could win…
for example I wouldn’t mind donate or pay for something that i enjoyed instead of having to pay to have it or to watch it and risk wasting money
i didn’t saw the movie, but i’m definitely going to do it now
cheers Eric
Been wanting to see this one for a while, but can’t find a sub for it. Now I’m getting even more interested… sub anyone?
this movie sucked! just some homo trying to get more people to watch his crap.
I hadn’t downloaded the movie, but I will now. If I like it, I’ll buy a few copies of the DVD and give them as Xmas presents.
The movie is actually one of the best fiction movies I have ever seen! So really, spreading a word is all it takes, when there is quality!
im going to buy the movie just becouse he said it
Liked the movie aloth
Same as above: i wasn’t sure if i was gonna dload this one, but now my mind is set to get this puppy and watch it.
Pending my impressions, i’ll maybe buy the dvd.
In any case, the aforementioned producer is a smart guy indeed and i can only wish him more and more successes. I’ll keep an eye out for future Schenkman projects as well.
I agree with the majority of people here, comments like that from a film producer have to make you smile. I will buy the film when it is released. It’s a great film. It’s gotta be worth a 10 on IMDB.
C’mon show your support.
i loved the movie very clever indeed.
All users here need to be careful of their statistical analysis and illusory correlations when interpreting findings. I see Mr. X consistently referring to that study that shows more purchases of cd’s “supposedly associated with more frequent downloading” – but what you all must realize is that this is a self-fulfilling argument b/c the ppl that love music in the first place are the ones exhibiting high frequencies in both variables.
Those findings show jack in the way of promoting positives of piracy – there may be other findings but I’m just saying that particular study is flawed.
REAL artists only care about the art not the money!
Respect to this dude, he’s the real deal!
suck on this hollywood, who should be happy we still watch movies with all those good games about, like i said they could learn from this guy…like they’re actualy losing money, i was there when the video taping got illegal just like now…they even know they cannot win!
anyways, i’m going to buy this guy’s dvd…even if i don’t like the movie!
RIGHT ON!
Lets all go to IMDB and give it a good rating
Also keep its place up on movie meter
@Martin[staff]
Even without the support of said director to your site I think that rlslog is a great site nevertheless.
But in no intention of bursting your bubble or anything. Are you sure that the said REAL director sent you this email? Are you sure its actually Eric D. Wilkinson himself and NOT some internet kiddy PRANK or something?
Well I do hope its not but you can never be too careful in the “tubes” these days with all the scams and pranks.
However if said director was genuinely thankful then enough has been said.
That is brilliant..I thoughally enjoyed the movie thats to this link.
It makes a change to see this and of course some makers of films can see the positive reaction to their work and again putting them on the map because a lot more people have watched in and talked about it.
Not all films can afford great advertising not all films are that good to start with..this small film was really good and thought provoking.
Thanks for the link to that and I now am on a quest to find other works by the writer and director..isnt that the way this works….?
Well Done!
A BIG applause to this fella.
this is great. i must say that i havent see movie yet but when i read what You just wrote i’m going to dl it and if i like it a lot then i am going to buying the momvie as well. ‘cuz this is how i do. its no secret to us all. this is a simply & pure test of THE thing. ‘n if THE thing is good it will sell for it self. sharing is promotion in open minded population. an example ? here You go = when i SEE a porsche or subaru on the street it doesnt mean i HAVE to get one ‘cuz i see that. hell yeah i’ve seen it but i cant drive it no? see ya
wow that just… i’m speachless…
so our world has a future after all…
one thing i know – this movie i’m gooing to buy just because the people who made it have such a true view on things
WHOA FREEDOM OF SPEECH BOOST SALES AHAAAHAHAH TRUE
Lol this guy it’s angry little
Thanks for this email n1.
Haha,thats great!Support the guy in every way possible.
To put it simply,a new economy is on the way with all this file sharing
The “old and bold”companies that mass produce s***,must change or simply die..
I don’t want to put a damper on thing’s , but has anyone
actually stopped to question weather the letter is real ?
To me it sounds just a little TOO biased towards making us
feel “warm n fuzzy”
I would like to see some further confirmation of its authenticity.
that was a great story. I watched the movie and i really think it’s awesome. They need to make more of this kind of movie. it doesnt take space aliens and expensive effects to make a good movie.
I would have to completely agree with his excitement. I don’t usually buy music at all, but I use torrents for movies as a screener. I don’t like wasting money on bad movies, and I can honestly say that I plan on buying Man From Earth as soon as I see it in stores.
this is stupid cuz amateur movies want all the publicity they can have , and big movies dont want piracy
howdy doo, This is great news, and I will buy everyone of my family a copy. The movie was great and the people behind it are down to earth and know not to attack piracy because we are your friends! I hope we all go and buy at least one copy of this dvd and share it with our family and friends. Just like piracy shares, we should buy it and share it. Who knows, they might like it too and want it in their dvd collection. yeah, and #54 ninja, you sound stupid with your car examples, and at the end it just didn’t make sense, just like telling a joke with no punch line. Bada Bin Bada Boom.
His movie TOTALLY rocked , albeit a little bit nerdy
– I will buy the retail for sure.
I won’t pay the outrageous high theatre prices. I do d/l for free though. The movies that are worth it I also buy the DVD for my permanent collection. I enjoy the extras that are on the DVD’s. I am not alone in this and it is about time some of “the Big Shots” realized it. Glad to see this email from a producer with some brains.
@59,
If big name Trent Reznor can do/say similar things, unkown artists sure can, too.
kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside :p
Remember to support the people that makes movies, especially independent movies. Because that’s where some of the most amazing movies gets made.
Without independent movies we’d be stuck with “off the assembly line”-type movies.
So paypal this guy a few bucks if you downloaded and saw the movie…
I made a torrent of my bands first studio album which made it on Demonoid’s (RIP) front page and spread through Oink, it had thousands of downloads and the buzz got us a lot of CD/Shirt sales…
myspace.com/vale
In the 1960’s, people had FM radio and recorded music neatly from the radio on to tape. In the late 1970’s, the VCR poked its head out and people started recording TV and movies on the new HBO and Cinemax! Hollywood and the recording industry didn’t collapse around those items. These two GREEDY components of retail…they need to cut back and re-market their products and stop wasting their money on anti-piracy efforts of the individuals…like the Canadian article you guys posted, downloading a song leads to people purchasing the album later!
I’ll be interested to see if the film I was the boom operator for gets pirated. It’s similar in production values to Facing the Giants, which did get on here.
“Come What May”
http://imdb.com/title/tt1090754/
Perhaps other producers should take ‘Erics’ lead here and realise that a good movie can be made on a small budget. Also with less overheads more profit can be made, even when torrents are available of the movies.
Hats off to you Eric for taking the time to write a letter to show your approval. I have downloaded the movie but haven’t got around to watching it yet. I may just have to put it off and buy the DVD when it is available in the U.K.
People like you deserve support.
i not seen it yet but that was such a good email you was sent , i will go buy the dvd in shops when i see it tomorrow . looks like it will be worth it by what i read and it good to support small film makers and all that on low budgets .
I am definitely watching this film.
I admire Mr. Eric Wilkinson for his honesty.
I think its real. He probably saw the IMDB jump and googled his movie and found most hits pointing to this site and similar sites. Plus he can see where the traffic to his site is coming from.
Tv networks are offering their shows online, Bionic woman you could watch the episode online before it even airs. Movies will soon be straight to download.
The movie is good and I’m glad word is spreading no matter how its getting out. I am sure he is too.
I kinda like this lad and now the movie indeed got my attention. This dude ownz the anti-piracy groups by doing something like writing this letter.
@evry1 buying the retail dvd tomorrow:
can u do a retail dvdip please
thanks
^__^
thats very good thing,
i’m downloading
That director’s email is a double-edged sword that could fall either way for him. If he continues to “support” the moralism of piracy (ie don’t give the creators a dime of your money), he might not even get to make any next movie, I’m pretty sure he’s going to have major problems getting funders with such kind of statements. But if all he’s ever aspiring for is making indie movies with next to no budget, perhaps he’ll succeed.
and ur gettingmore hits on ur site after this article Mr Eric D. Wilkinson and i’ll chk the trailer right away
and whats will of u feeling warm n fuzzy all together
This is great to read! I’ve seen quite a bit of talk on this flick recently so I may well grab it & give it a watch.
If you’ve downloaded and enjoyed this though, make sure you give the support Mr Wilkinson deserves by buying the retail when you can!
It’s refreshing to see people recognising the “pros” of piracy rather than focussing on the often untrue “cons”…
We are the good guys! Let’s share some more
nice one…. glad to see us pirates have got the recognition we deserve
Wow, the movie industry can use a lot more people like Eric D. Wilkinson _O_
I really liked the movie, i was going to recommend it to my friends, and now i can make the story about the movie ten times more interesting, by telling them that the producer of the movie wrote an positive email to the release sites.
cool, gonna buy this movie. By the way i have read the news about Prince and piratebay, maybe people should look that if you`re songs are not selling its not the torrent site`s foult, maybe you`re product sucks. Take care guys. Hope Demonoid will be back soon
at this rate i might have to leak my own music to get some exposure….
myspace.com/pimperneljones
Are you idiots? This guy is asking money on his paypal account… Is this the reward he wants? We are talking about a film with a director, actors, staff… And a relatively relevant producer takes money on his paypal account?
This is scam guys, open your eyes.
//I guess this guy really deserves little support//
Wow what an awkward typo.
I got it last week, didn’t enjoy it much, guess not my type of film genre. If it wasn’t posted here, I probably would have saw it at a video store and rented it, but since I got it here, I dont plan to support it anymore. That goes with everything I get here. Just being honest, unlike most of you here.
@ 88
You are an IDIOT.. he’s the producer, producer’s are incharge or revenue.
PEOPLE, HONESTLY, THINK..
C’mon guys.. THIS IS THE KIND OF ACTION WE’VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR.
It’s a good movie, it makes you think or at least for me, so thumbs up for this one
thats awsome.
Ima download, n if good buy, to show my support for such open minded views from ol’matey that sent the email.
come on, guys, let’s not start fooling ourselves here – we’re not the ‘good guys’, we’re getting loads of stuff for free and have no intention whatsoever of doing good deeds by being here
there are certain cases where being on rlslog translates as fantastic advertising and promotion for a product, and this director guy’s shrewd response will only help that
but let’s put this in perspective a bit and PLEASE cut out all this hypocriticial warm n fuzzy bs
@24
Letoll – You seem to be fixated on the £$£$£$£$ of the matter, and completely ignore the crux of the whole argument against the music/film industries.
The industries themselves have absolutely nothing to do with making great films or music, but about copyright ownership, and distribution. It’s true, everyone has to work, and movies themselves are not free to make, whether you are an independent filmmaker, or a Hollywood ‘blockbuster by the numbers’ director. However, only the most vapid and soulless music & film releases are the ones where it’s all about the money. Filmmakers & musicians who truly love what they’re doing are only focussed on getting their film seen or their music heard by as many people as possible. Anything else is (literally) immaterial.
I’ll gladly support this guy when the film comes out on DVD
alright! eric i respect your gangsta. drop it like it’s hot. das is good ghetto booty, you my nigga, peace out!
Whoever deleted my post!!!
That was really lame.. it just proves that you have no intension of actually showing support…
Of all the crap and BS that’s posted on this site.. and you DELETE a post showing nothing but support and concern? LAME!!!
#93, very true and honest. At least someone man enough to admit the truth.
@90 Anonymous,
I for one, and many of my friends, have purchased software after testing the “free” version. I think most of us here have been “burned” numerous times buying crap software and movies which can’t be returned after being opened. So your post actually means that you may just be more dis-honest than the average here.
Hahaha. This makes a pleasant change
What a fantastic story!
I’ve never heard of this movie before, and have never seen it running in the cinema or for sale on DVD here in Norway. But after searching the movie’s title in Norwegian sites only, I found a forum thread where people discuss it (started the day it was posted here on RLSLOG!!), and not surprisingly, every one of the posters think it’s a beautiful and fantastic movie, and recommends others to watch it.
I have yet to see this movie, but since I haven’t seen it available in Norway, I’ll download it and watch it on Friday. As good as this movie sounds, I think it would be a success on commercial cinemas and DVD if it was advertised better.
Congratulations & thanks, both to everyone involved with the film, and to RLSLOG!
free advertising – can’t be bad
Mr Wilkinson
You’ve made an excellent film. I will buy the DVD.
And yes, awarness even through piracy equals success in the film industry. If you can’t get it seen then you can’t make the next film.
Hey that’s great!!! Thanks for sharing. In the spirit of ’sharing’ I hope you don’t mind, I’ve used the email on my blog. Feel free to check it out at http://www.lceaalumni.net/site/content/blogcategory/31/44/ under the title ‘Piracy Can Be Beneficial Too’. Thanks again and great job!!
I’d love to see that movie on local tv.
maybe I’ll just ask some tv stations when it will be on.
We, the filmmakers behind “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth” understand that this is a film many sci-fi fans just couldn’t wait until 11/13/07 to see. And we especially understand that if you live outside the United States, you’ve had absolutely no way of knowing when this film might be coming to your local cinema, video store, or TV… if ever! Indeed, all international rights to the movie are still available.
And as a result you may have downloaded the film from one of the many torrent (or other) sites available. Chances are, you paid nothing to do so. But please understand that we are just some independent filmmakers who put everything we had into our little movie, and you really hurt us directly when you downloaded the movie illegally.
Judging from the postings at IMDB.com, we see that the vast majority of you quite like the film; many of you even love the film and have watched it repeatedly.
We made this movie with a great deal of love, sacrifice and effort on a low budget. But as low as the budget was, it was still a LOT of money to us, as well as to the people who trusted us with their investment to go ahead and make such an unusual, even controversial film.
So we are making an unusual request… asking you to return the love, if you will:
Please visit http://www.PayPal.com, and make some sort of payment for the enjoyment our movie brought you. It could be fifty cents, it could be fifty dollars. Perhaps you feel the average weekly video store rental is a fair amount. Whatever it is, it might be small to you, but if every single person who downloaded the movie — heck, if only the people who LIKED the movie — paid a few dollars, would certainly help get us to breakeven. Just go to PayPal and click on “send money” (you don’t even need to have an account). The address to use is ewilkinson100@comcast.net.
Shortly we hope to also have a link at our main site, http://www.manfromearth.com. Either way, the money will go DIRECTLY to the people who actually made the movie. And who knows… if we ever do break even on “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth”, maybe we can go make another intelligent, thought-provoking film.
Thank you very, very much for your consideration.
Sincerely,
Eric D. Wilkinson – Producer & Richard Schenkman – Producer / Director
Fantastic little sci-fi movie, glad to know people are watching it.
Or of course you could just be somebody who has set up an email address with the name E Wilkinson in it and you are trying to scam donations from people?
I’m such an optimist.
Martin – does this email address match up to the one emailed to you originally?
@106
LOL, what a scammer
The more I read it the more I’m sure it’s a fake – otherwise the guy changed his tune pretty quickly!
By the way, I SWEAR to you this is REAL. I am Eric D. Wilkinson and I did send that message. I have to give credit where credit is due. Our rating on IMDb skyrocketed the same time as traffic poured into our http://www.manfromearth.com website. When we looked at the data. Much of the traffic was coming from rlslog.net. This is why I contacted Martin.
I was pissed when I saw google alert after google alert seeing the film I just spent the last 3 years of my life working on showing up on torrent sites. But when I saw that many of you were embracing this little movie and really raising our profile online, I realized that this may not be such a bad thing after all.
PLEASE, IF YOU CAN
if you search for the adress at google, the manfromearth site shows up, but of course, wait until its approved..
Martin, if you email me again, I will send you my phone number and we can talk. I will be happy to do whatever I have to do to prove my identity. Man From Earth, LLC (the company I set up to make the movie) is based in New Jersey. I would be happy to provide you with whatever info you need.
Thanks.
Eric
I hope that we are turning a corner. Piracy laws need to get under control. It’s so nice to see appreciation for all the exposure youtube and torrents do for the industry. A word about ‘The Man From Earth’ I enjoyed the movie especially their conversation about religion and Jesus. A tremendous effort, kudos to producer Eric Wilkinson and company.
“When I make my next picture, I just may upload the movie on the net myself!”
Haha nice.
‘im gonna buy it when its out’ was the first thing i thought when finished watching it. great movie btw
i somehow feel happy now
i like his last words
When I make my next picture, I just may upload the movie on the net myself!
Scammity scamolo.
It’s awesome to read things like this.
“And they KNOW it”
Will download this film and give it a watch, if it’s any good I’ll grab the DVD same as I do for all films/TV shows.
I was one of the people who downloaded and watched this movie, and afterwards went to the website as well. I thought it was a very clever movie with an interesting premise and some subtle acting. Kudos to the producer for having written such a letter to rlslog. Funny thing is, he is aware of the phenomenon!! Most producers either underestimate or overestimate the effect of piracy (Prince!).
That said, i’ll never be able to pay the producer for this movie. I am in India, and only the most brainless and action oriented foreign movies are brought to screen by distributors here. I’m glad i’m a pirate
Martin,
You’re a lying like p4ki kunt, go stick ur tiny c0ck in Desi’s anus after putting it first in Mr.x’s mouth.
Wow, what a stand up guy. I know nothing about the movie, but will purchase it now regardless simply to support someone WITH A BRAIN IN THEIR HEAD in the movie industry. Props to Releaselog and the dude who sent the email.
I havent watched it myself, but i took a look at the webpage for the movie and it seemed interesting enough to purcase or watch. The first email may be real but all the posts afterwards asking for money to paypal seem fake. The website has no mention of the movie being spread via internet and no link to donate
This thread is fascinating to read… I’m jumping in here because several people have questioned whether a) the posting from Eric Wilkinson is genuine (that is, genuinely from the same guy who produced the movie) and b) is he putting up some kind of scam, asking for money via a PayPal account.
My name is Richard Schenkman, and I directed the movie, as well as co-producing it with Eric. I can assure you that the Eric who made the posting is my partner. I can also tell you that we discussed the matter quite extensively before reaching out to the download community.
Our feeling is simply this: while it’s lovely to be the subject of all sorts of online buzz, it sure didn’t do much to help “Snakes on a Plane”. The fact is that we put a lot of our own money into this movie, and convinced a number of friends and family to do the same. Despite a US Domestic DVD deal, we are nowhere near breakeven on the movie. Below 50%, if you want to know the truth.
It seems that more than 2000 people have downloaded the film, and the vast majority (I’d say 85-90%) seem to like or love the movie.
Most of these people live outside the US, and so the DVD is not officially for sale in their country, and frankly we have no idea when it will be. Same goes for any sort of TV sale.
So we had the idea (truth be told, my wife had the idea) to pull a Radiohead… to reach out to the online community and say, “If you downloaded this movie and liked it, please buy the DVD; and if you can’t buy the DVD where you live, please send us some money.”
It seems only fair, and I can tell you, as an independent filmmaker, that the only way we can make MORE interesting, different, intelligent movies is if we don’t lose our shirts on this one!
thanks very much… and here’s the email address if you feel like sending in your offering via PayPal: EWilkinson100@comcast.net.
Sincerely,
Richard Schenkman
nice ill watch this movie tonight then. cant keep up with all the releases lol.
sweet
Here’s your proof I am Eric D. Wilkinson:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=146843614&blogID=328230543
Its a link to the official Man From Earth MySpace page / Blog. I put up a photo of me taken 6 months ago and right below it, a photo of me taken in front of my computer screen logged into rlslog.net.
Its Eric D. Wilkinson! Producer – The Man From Earth!
I’d say that’s proof right there!
Kudos to Eric and Richard (if you don’t mind me calling you that) for taking this step. It’d would’ve been understandable if you’d just got pissed off that your blood, sweat and tears was out there for free on the net.
Truth is I’d never heard of, and being in the UK was never likely to ever hear of your movie. Now I have, I’m downloading and I will send you a few bucks. That is money you’d never have seen from me otherwise as small movies such as yours have a hard time getting your name heard.
If the movie is any good, and the premise is right up my alley so I’m hopeful, then the old “tell 10 friends” word of mouth will be in effect. I’m only too happy to spread the word about a good little movie, made by guys who recognise the potential of filesharing rather than taking a Draconian approach, and deserve to be rewarded with the chance to make more movies in future.
Hope to see more Wilkinson/Schenkman productions soon. On the big screen, as well as on rlslog
i want rlslog.net to be put on the ’special thanks’ on the next movie this cool guy makes.
great for small film companies to get attention because they have nothing to lose. Small software companies have a much bigger problem with piracy stealing their income. It’s called piracy for a reason.
I used to be all for downloading everything until my cousin’s company had to start putting ad-ware in their software just to cover the cost of development, thanks to people like us (me included
)
First of all, piracy isn’t the reason his film got noticed. It was advertisement. More specifically: adverts by rlslog.net. You basically gave him free advertisement on a site that has many visitors. So why the “piracy isn’t THAT bad”? Piracy has nothing to do with it, other than you are one.
One last post before I head out to Wal-Mart here in Jersey and buy up copies of my own movie…
Thanks again for all of your support. Please go to our IMDb page and keep posting:
“They” want me to go and see the movie in the cinema and then buy it on DVD… Well, i don’t think so. I will download it, watch it and then maybe i’ll buy the DVD. “They” should be happy we want to see “their” movies…
Very nice. Downloaded the movie, loved the concept (and execution), especially since I’m an atheist and my girlfriend is pretty religious.
Anyways, will donate a few bucks right away.
Greets from Germany!
Markstar
Exaltation: Maybe you should be happy there are movies to be seen?
Plus hope noone will take this wrong and THEY wont shut rlslog down
its not piracy thats the problem, the problem is the big fat profit making companies who have created the system where by if they dont get involved your movie probably wont stand a chance. i say change the whole system and get rid of the fat greedy middlemen who are price fixing and basically taking us all for a ride and overcharging us for our dvds and games. me personally will not buy a game until iv downloaded it and really like it, 95% of the games iv downloaded i wouldent have bought anyway, even at half the price.
Look guys IT’S REAL!!!!!!!!!
Why don’t any of you actually check for yourselves before calling people scammers?
Go to http://www.themanfromearth.com, from there navigate to the various other sites that are used to promote this, there’s even a “Myspace” page where all of the details are.
If you all continue to act so stupidly and irresponsibly in the face of such brave and innovative actions by Eric and Richard, who have been the only movie industry representatives who have actually given us WHAT WE HAVE BEEN BIATCHING ABOUT.. then quite frankly this bold experiment will be doomed to fail, and you will be unable to blame ANYONE but yourselves.
For once pull your collective heads out of you butts, and REPRESENT!
Bought it and pp’d.. do the same… or you ARE all just leechers.
nice to hear things like these
Its good that he was honest and I will be definately buying this film. and i wish him good luck on his future films.
the actually website is http://www.manfromearth.com my fault for the mistpye.. just go do it.
Don’t forget that when this hits the cinemas and stores people will read IMDB, see all the comments and rating and go and see it, when without all our comments and ratings they maybe wouldn’t have gone, so extra revenue will be made because of us.
Tom: Yes, you are heroes. It’s like a car thief saying: “you know, we only steal Mercedes, and as of lately their sales has gone up cause it’s been reported in the media that we only steal Mercedes. Therefor, we are heroes”. Moron.
How cool is that
You’re only a “hero” if you cough up some cash.
@141: There is nothing wrong with being suspicious about an individual who posts a request to send him money to a PayPal account and then gives his PayPal address. If you have any brains at all you are very careful when it comes to sending your money to people who you’ve never met and have no idea if they are legit.
The “proofs” all came afterwards (and may still be a clever ruse), so it’s just natural to question any posters identity.
I bet that if Eric D. Wilkinson had made the picture with him being on rslog first, nobody would have called him a scammer (though some may still find it weired that the producer asks to send “him” the money instead of an (semi-)official account).
Will Buy.
Everyone,
I checked out the homepage and there was a ilnk to his myspace page and all the comments that were posted here WERE posted there and the picture of him on RLSLOG.net. looks real to me. but im still going to wait until the link is on the homepage to donate.. thanks RLSLOG STAFF for the time and effort you guys/girls put in not to make my day suck!!
Thats Great news!-Finally something positive!im gonnancheck it out!Thankx RLS Log+STAFF!!!!!!!!!
When I think about it, I much rather want the DVD of movies I really like, so I hope it will come out here sooner or later. Not that the Paypal stuff is a bad thing, it just feels better to have the DVD in my collection
This is indeed very awesome news. In fact, if it wasn’t for rlslog, I would not have heard of this movie at all. Heck, I’ma just download it and watch it later on, and if I enjoyed it, I’d be glad to actually give some money to the producers of this film, Eric and Richard.
Also, I am very glad that Eric and Richard aren’t like any other film producers who get worked up the moment they find their work being shared on torrent sites. The PayPal solution you guys thought up of is indeed very smart, and awesome.
This is indeed great news for everyone.
Wow, interesting.. Nothing more to say.. I’m still impressed.
fake or not , i sent him the price of a movie ticket here in canada , him and his production company deserve it!!!!
They should link to the torrent from their website and put a paypal link for donations like radiohead did….but better
Words (Letters) didnt manage to come out, so ill just say i support this thread/post/article
If you enjoyed The TV series The Other limits, you will love this movie.
This movie may have had a lower budget, but I still recognized most of the actors.
I’m going to buy retail DVD because this guy thanked pirates. Not gonna donate via paypal though, lol.
@ Markstar..148
The proof was all there it just had to be looked for, before posted unwarranted comments.
I looked AND found, then commented.. how hard is that?
This is by far one of the best movies this year. I downloaded it, watched it and enjoyed it. I won’t buy it, because I don’t have any use for a redundant DVD case and a disc. I don’t even have a DVD player.
Excuse me for being paranoid about giving my money away, but I share Markstars skepticism about the validity of this donation bid. That said I will consider donating some eventually (Not today) because the producers / crew etc deserve compensation for their efforts and incentive to keep making more movies.
Unlike 90% of movies from Hollywood, which are degenerative crap.
So I don’t understand, do the actors and production people all work for free on independent movies just for the publicity of giving the movie away online?
I thought that guy from Greatest American Hero would have been an established actor by now and could demand a lot of money for his roles.
Loved the movie, this is awesome, and it is rather sad that this thread has more posts than the original movie thread…
This is great news, congratulations Mr. Eric Wilkinson, especially for one major reason:
I downloaded this movie a few days ago and enjoyed it very much. Great work on the movie
i might just get this dvd for myself and some family members, would like to support the creators:)
Man when I got some money I send to Mr. Eric Wilkinson for this movie and for this post in this page.For real this is really nice job, no offence Mr. Eric Wilkinson but here in my town I don’t have stories with movie.
Thanks to all.
I hope you don’t forget this when you start to collect those millions. I find that most indies are cool with sharing until they are millionaires and then they want to sue everybody and their mother…
Finally someone that noticed the benefits of piracy. I’m downloading this atm (come catch me MPAA) and if it’s as great as it seems I’ll try to get my hands on a DVD for sure, even if I’m from US:)
After reading this I’m going to download this and if I like it I’m gonna send some money to the creators! I’m from Europe and I don’t know if the DVD ever comes here. Piracy isn’t bad after all some people would say now. But honestly I think that piracy has NOT been the problem ever, I mean it doesn’t hurt the sales at all! Look at hollywood movies – if the movie is good then the sales are good as well. The only important thing here is the quality of the product.
I love this thread! What a fascinating online conversation.
To answer the questions about money:
The movie cost money to make. We paid the crew, we rented equipment, we paid the actors, bought food, etc etc. While it’s true that EVERYBODY involved in the movie worked for pennie on the dollar, it still added up to quite a lot of money (just a piece of HD mastering tape, for example, costs over $200 to buy; a portable bathroom costs $1500 a week to rent).
Thanks to the advance from Starz/Anchor Bay, we recouped just under 50% of the cost of the film. That leaves us with quite a large amount to go.
If you send money to the PayPal account, it goes into our general account, from which we make payments to investors, actors, and crew members — all of whom have a piece of the movie!
I hope that answers the question—
Richard
Just made a payment via paypal for this film.
Would buy the dvd but it probably won’t ever get released in Denmark.
this reminded me of a msg from a director on imdb board.
as a reply to critics to his film, he just asked;
“where did you get my movie? even i don’t have the post-production version”
Whoa, this dude Eric Wilkinson is a cool guy! Props for him!
Watching it now, i recognize some of the actors, they aint bad at all, looks promising
This is a rather fortunate instance by which I’m happy for the producers of that film, but you guys have to understand that most people who come to rlslog are not going to buy anything after they “obtain” it. I know there’s a lot of kids reading this site and I hope that they understand that when they grow up, they should pay for things in order to keep the market going. Without the dollars from non-pirates, we wouldn’t be getting all this free entertainment being churned out and distributed via the pirate networks. So, remember to go to the cinemas, buy a software you can’t do without, and keep doing your part with whatever money you can spare to keep the market going.
TBH i buy it if i like it
this is a good idea for low budget films, prob wont catch on with the big boys like.
Am sure it’ll take the director up a few notches though
P2P a boost for the movieindustry
The guy who send the mail deserves a statue for not being like ‘the rest’!
hahahaha, way more than 150 comments but not nearly 80diggs.
the readers suck man!
Maybe the industry should consider providing screeners for the torrent community…
That was fantastic
fantastic ^_^
This is cool cause I like to watch a movie for free before I buy to make sure it is good. If I like the movie enough I will buy it at the store even itf it isnt on sell for a lower price.
I haven’t watched the movie yet, but I will buy it just because he supports file sharing. When the movie hits South Africa… I’ll be one of the first to buy it, just to support them!
Would be fun to see how much money they can recieve on paypal now for a week or 2.
And maybe send some money if its nice stuff.
If the real concept for the scene, that if u like something, pay for it and support the producers.
And now we can more or less pay anything just to support them.
Well, as many other in this comment, I will download the movie to see what all the fuzz is all about.
awesome
and what an awesome movie!
good job man! and yay for people who are/were interested in that movie! Groups like VoMiT definitely help out films that normally wouldn’t get much viewing due to the lack of “big stars” and advertising. wohoo
So ONE e-mail from a unknown and very small producer means that piracy isn’t bad at all…right… Too bad thousands of them complain about it and give money to organisations like the RIAA, that sort of negates your reasoning doesn’t it. Martin, your ignorance amazes me again. When a thousands of these people come knocking on your door saying “thank you” and making the same statement, then you have enough ‘data’ to support that piracy helps to sell movies/music/programs/games.
If you want to believe in UFO’s you’ll eventually start seeing them.
i would love to have this movie in my dvd collection.
Paypaled and kudos to Richard and Eric + the rest of
the crew and actors for making such a great film.
Wow, that’s pretty cool. I just watched the movie last night in bed. It was low budget but the actors really carried it off (I’m not surprise: it had a awesome cast). Presently, I can’t buy the DVD and I wasn’t really planning to but just because of this producer, I’m going to buy myself a copy when it’s released over here.
Good work Eric, you just got another guy buying your films DVD.
Well done Eric D. Wilkinson! Someone who is embracing the internet and p2p and not trying to fight it. I may watch his film now. After all, I’ve allready downloaded it!
Wow this is great news and really interesting. I haven’t seen this film yet but from all the poitive comments about the film, I am now going to buy this dvd and watch it!
Thanks rlslog.net and finally some one from the industry realising what is possible with the support from us, online users.
I just finished Watching the movie, and my personal thoughts is, Its brilliant, very original and nice storyline, it somewhat resembles K-PAX but in NO way would i call it a ‘ripoff’ or stolen ideas, this is a beautiful movie, very well directed. I also believe this have potential to be a TV series for a few seasons, get this movie some more advertising, and it will go far, I know for sure if i see it anywhere here in norway i will pick it up, Congratulations Eric D. Wilkinson, on this most excellent movie, and a shout out to everyone involved in the creation of it, Thats my two cents, Thanks.
@7
Most of those indiependent artists, regardless the field they participate in, have nothing to fear. On the contrary…they put their name and work into anyone’s awareness.
Even Radiohead understood this simple fact. They managed to earn a fortune just by “selling” 160Kbps files, before their cd even appeared on the selfs. That way they promoted their work and gained hundreds of pounds as well.
They lost a fortune mate!!
What an interesting premise. A well written screenplay,i read the comment on Releaselog from this films producer.Piracy Can Be Beneficial Too!!.Tony Todd is excellent, well worth the download.Congratulations & thanks, both to everyone involved with the film, and to RLSLOG!
Mr Wilkinson
You’ve made an excellent film. I will buy the DVD.
this is just a confirmation of what i was just saying
)
@160: Hmm, but it’s nowhere to be seen on the http://www.manfromearth.com and how come the blog entry with the pictures is only ~15 minutes earlier (6:49 on 2007/11/13) than his post here (7:08)? And sorry, you can’t expect people to surf around forever just to see if a person is legit – well, at least not in cases like these.
@163: Why is it sad? While I consider this movie a great piece of art, the different opinions about the impact of P2P on the entertainment business have been around for ages and each side produces new “studies” all the time. So it is only natural that this is a very hot topic among the “affected” people.
The real sad thing about this in my humble opinion is that all of this is probably not going to change the way studios overreact to P2P networks. In their greed, they are paying politicians to pass laws that cumber the freedom of the people to do what they want with the things they have purchased. Moreover, they show again and again that the larger the company, the slower it is capable of adapting to new situations.
So instead of profiting from the endless capabilities that the Internet provides, they make it more difficult for you (interesting recent story related to that: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071107-major-league-baseballs-drm-change-strikes-out-with-fans.html) and you might actually end up being punished when you’re buying something legitimately.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m from Germany and every since I spent a year as an exchange student in the US, I have watched (and read) pretty much everything in the original language.
So, while I do own a legit DVD of “Seven”, I still downloaded a copy via eMule because in Germany, I could not find the DVD with an English audio track and I simply wasn’t willing to purchase a 2nd copy in form of a more expensive UK import. Furthermore, while I do own all three Matrix movies, I still ripped the first one to be able to have it on my server so I can watch it whenever I feel like it (and without the forced subtitles). There are countless other reasons why the current system just doesn’t cut it any more in todays day and age and they have been discussed endlessly all over the Net.
Is it going to change? I hope so, but I don’t believe it until I see it. Does the industry lose money because of piracy? Nope. Because if you can’t download it, you wait for a friend to lend it to you. If nobody has it, you rent it ($1 where I live) or you get it at the library. And if all else fails, you simply wait for it until it’s on TV. Each step makes it more inconvenient for the user and the studios gain is marginal at best.
It should also be mentioned that at the end of the day, most people, even in industrialized countries, don’t have that much extra money in their wallets to afford $10 for DVDs or visits to the movie theater, at least not on a regular basis. The average person has less spending power (
The average person has less spending power (
awesome. i’ll grab that movie right now.
And again (it seems the text input cannot handle a “
Grr. You can’t use a “less than” sign. Last try:
The average person has less spending power (I hope that’s the right word) than 20 years ago. Things have gotten a lot more expansive but the income has not risen by the same factor. Therefore, things like DVDs, visits to movie theaters or swimming pools, etc. are the first things to cut back on.
Should you pay for things? Definitely! Is downloading a movie stealing? No.
Does one letter from a producer make P2P a good thing? No.
Does the studios constant whining about lost income make piracy bad? No!
Does the fact that millions of people use P2P and this accounts for about 90% of all web traffic say something about the feasibility of the entertainment business’ business model? I think so.
Wow.. this makes me feel so much better about downloading illegal copyrighted movies… thanks… defiantly gonna download this movie.
good for you Eric D. Wilkinson! you have my support!
I too downloaded this movie after seeing it up on nzbmatrix and following the IMDB links and youtube trailer (sry RSLOG). I even helped bump up the rating on IMDB I might add.
And Eric, thanks for this gem amongst a plethora of Hollywood crap. After watching it and being blown away I recommended it to various people, all of whom enjoyed this as much as I did. Needless to say I will be purchasing this movie and it’s going into my ‘favorites’ collection.
I hope the attention opens the doors to future projects; which i will be eagerly anticipating – Kudos to you and thanks again.
i have watched this film and i showed it to my friend.he liked it and i loved it.awesome film awesome site
SPEECHLESS. GUess ima have to buy that as well.
rlslog.net just made my effin’ day.
Eric is in fact the man from earth. An unique person, with a very unique perspective.
I’m going to watch it tonight. And to be totally honest, I haven’t been this excited about any movie in a while.
x)
It’s a good movie. It isn’t for those who are into non-thinking movies like Transformers or Saw1-4. It’s a no-budget movie that tells quite litterally a story of someone’s life if they didn’t die. Even the use of flashbacks were not needed.
I think it’s great that this producer got an adrenalin shot from the download community even if it was not a legit source. I’d like to think his career will jump into notoriety from this but not come back to bite us on the 4ss when the big times come ala Metallica, who rose up from demo tapes and handouts to assaulting their fans who downloaded their music later in career life.
Good for you Eric. I want to see more from you even if it means going to a theater to see it the way all movies should be enjoyed.
Eric.
I just wanted to say that I’m really impressed that you can give some kind words to the Rlslog.net family/community.
Simple a genuine bloke.
Best of luck !
Eric’s letter got my attention and I just watched the film. A very captivating movie, almost brilliant.
I will admit taking fewer trips to the cinema since starting to download. But then I was taking many fewer anyway.
Eric, thanks for the email regarding us “pirates”. I haven’t seen your movie but will now. And I will buy it when it comes out, just because of your thoughts on file sharing. Keep Hollywood straight.
i hope this will be a trend that others will follow
@Trell
I think some people may be losing sight of what the file sharing community is all about. Hasnt it always been about sharing digital media, whether it is music, movies or software, with other users who don\’t have that media yet?
Is this shared media supposed to be made available with the obligation that if you like it, then you pay for it? If so, then whole idea of file sharing just becomes a cheaper distribution system for the digital media creators.
If I have to pay for the media whether I acquire it from a store or I acquire it online, then that would seriously decrease the popularity of file sharing.
the simple solution would have been to meet back in 20 years and see if he aged or not…
just got done watching movie,AWESOME!!!
KUDO`S TO RLSLOG STAFF
AND TO PRODUCER Eric D. Wilkinson AND TO Director, Richard Schenkman good to see something ORIGINAL in sci-fi genre not the usual drivel that has come out from hollywood as of late………
But Lee Welton, having said that, at some point the bottom simply falls out. If people can’t make their money back, they can’t continue to fund independent films, and then the only material available will either be home-made YouTube clips or “Transformers III”. It’s only right to step up and support artists, if you possibly can.
In the case of musical artists, while you may download their music, you can still buy tickets to see them live — the “free” download supports the other part of their business (although of course they’d like to sell some CD’s, too).
But with a movie, there are the theatrical rights, the video rights, the digital rights, and the TV rights, and that’s about it. Small films don’t tend to get theatrical releases, or sell to TV, so that leaves video and digital. And nobody seems to know yet how to make money from digital.
I don’t believe in filing lawsuits all over the place, but there has to be some middle ground. Downloaders can’t take the attitude that “it should all be free” because then how does it get made? I mean, really! People work for a living, even writers, directors, and actors. Sure, it’s fun, challenging work, but if it’s how you expect to make your living, then you need to be paid for your work. That’s what the Writers Guild of America strik is all about. The studios want to sell, and re-sell, and re-sell artists’ work and never pay for it again, and the artists are saying, “No, that’s not fair.”
I don’t mean to rant. I’m just saying, there has to be a middle ground. That’s why we’ve come forward and said, “Okay, fair enough, you downloaded the movie. If you liked it, please either buy our DVD or send us some money.” A number of people have indeed already sent in a respectable amount of money and we are honored and touched by this display.
Downloading content from the ‘net and having the option to pay for it is the same as buying something that is fully returnable and refundable regardless of how much it has been used.
I have bought each and every piece of art (music, movies, even some prints of pictures) and software that deeply impressed me and/or had significant usefulness. I will continue doing so because I feel good about doing so. AND I like to have things in their original, intended format and quality, because it’s an important part of the overall entity/creation in question.
I believe it is only fair for all intellectual properties to be made *freely* available like this, with profits stemming from people’s appreciation (in form of ca$h).
You might wonder what will happen to those being insufficiently appreciated both in thought and money…
Well, the governments should exert funds for the development and creation of art and utility software. Just take all that money going into weapons R&D and use it for something good and actually useful! We have quite enough of efficient kill methods, techniques and means as it is now…
@Someone Noone
“…the governments should exert funds for the development and creation of art and utility software.”
Ummmmmm….no.
If anyone here is in the United States, PLEASE go to Wal-Mart & pick up the DVD. We really need to do well there. I think it’s at $14.44 (below cost). Please if you are in the US try to pick it up there. Thanks again for all of your support.
I’m outside the US so i cant pick up the DVD but i did paypal some $$$. Hope it helps.
Its the year 1241, mid europe.
In this time, artists…or…lets call them…”bards” are traveling arount with Instruments and other equippment, trying to amuse the normal townspeople and hope to get some coins for the next meal. All was fine, every artist got what he deserves, depending on the quality & concept of his work.
Some year around 2000~:
Something went terrible wrong. Artists and the Industry behind them are trying to sell everything they make. Quality is not a point that is choosen & rated by the people with the amount they pay. They have to pay even if they dont get what they wanted(Bad movie, concert canceled or changed, Software with tons of bugs or just not usable&unstable, music that is no music,…). Thanx to the great efforts of big marketing companys, people are bombarde with great commercials, advertising prints and other ways of getting attention for a bad product.
It is now 2007:
IMHO “That’s one small step for man… one… giant leap for mankind.” that Eric D. Wilkinson & Richard Schenkman are doing. I dont remember any situation like this in the history of the Internet. They say it like the nice bards in tights back in 1241, “Pay what you want, just pay a little for listening”.
Eric D. Wilkinson & Richard Schenkman, I wish you the best going for this movie and hope to “see” you soon again.
Greetings from germany & sorry for my bad english…3am here
P.S.: paypal underway, sorry no Wal-Mart here
dude…
u rock!
Very good movie
all i can say.. amazing
@Eric
Sorry, I can’t buy the DVD. It’s available for free on the Internet, so I’ll just download it and not pay you a cent. Like 99% of the other people who are downloading stuff. Kiss our asses all you like, it won’t translate into more sales. Pirates care only about one thing: themselves.
Edit: Someone knows how to kill the vibe…
If i and the other rlslog staff were being a pirates for ourselfs we wouldnt be running this website for you guys for free…
I have no words……
I have donated a little too,beause this movie is not sold well at my store.I have only make 200 copies and only 90 are sold.
do ypou mind not reposting the same thing?
Eric –
I hope you don’t take these last few crappy comments to heart (226, 229, etc…) These boards are filled with immature little punks talking all sorts of negative BS and generally being the a$$h0l3es they wouldn’t dare be face to face… Of all the topics i’ve read the comments to, this one is BY FAR the most positive and free of petty, posturing BS
Best of luck on your next production
woohoo! that’s just plain orgasmic!
@Apollo Gist
The problem with this method of gaining popularity and publicity is that it is not a sustainable business model. If producers were to release their productions to the internet before theatrical releases, they would risk losing large parts of their potential audience.
And as Hollywood has said for some time now, a large part of the movie going experience is to see the movie on the big screen. Downloading a movie and watching it on a PC screen isnt even close.
@Shiny
Sorry to “kill the vibe”, but I had to inject some reality into this love-fest. The reason rlslog.net is run is to MAKE MONEY. You make money from the various ads here, and no, I don’t buy the fact that the ads are “just here to pay for the server”. Unless you’re running multiple supercomputer-type servers, you’re easily making more money than your costs based on your traffic and the types of ads you serve here.
@Other whiners
Let’s look at the facts. This guy loves the publicity his movie is getting, but he’s just being short sighted. Sure, this movie might get lots of cred and even some sales, but when he next goes to make a big-buck picture to actually earn some decent money, he’ll be kicking himself for encouraging all of us for downloading his stuff.
If I paid for all the movies I’ve downloaded I’d be broke. So would most of you. We download movies because we don’t wanna pay for them not because we’re “trying before we buy”. Don’t give me that BS.
Giving stuff away for free is not a longterm business model, and if that reality upsets some people then wind me up and call me Jesus, but I just hate to see so much crap flying around in these comments… let’s call a spade a spade, OK>??
Apollo:
Its all good. I understand that not everyone will like the flick (or me for that matter). Thanks for looking out.
Eric
Great movie, I live in the states and am going to purchase asap and I will tell many others to do the same… guys isn’t this what we want?? lets support these filmmakers for all the hard work and maybe they wont be the only people to see a “return”
Eric/Richard: don’t be tricked into replying to troll’s comments . it is impossible to satisfy them no matter what you do.
Mr. X – No problem
Jxr6724 – Thanks so much. Wal Mart brought in the most copies I’d go there. And please – go over to the IMDb message board: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/
Rate the flick and share your thoughts. Thanks.
Less ego stroking and more illegal downloads, please.
How come every time I visit a page on this website, it jumps to the bottom of the page.
Anyone else experiencing this?
woah, eric sure looks like bon jovi in that photo!
jokes aside, good stuff man. riaa get an early christmas present :p
Sounds like the revolution is getting a roll on
Steely
Hi, i think this is the first time this happend, nice movie to watch:)
and next time you make a movie, put it on the net to watch it live on the net! ill will pay 3 dollar for eatch movie:)
@212 (Trell): I had already accepted this as the real deal with my first post (#136) and went to PayPal at this point. If you wrote the first paragraph in regards to #196, you should probably also read the comments that I was reacting to. My point was not that I didn’t believe them, it was that I could understand someone’s skepticism if only a name and a PayPal account is supplied (which it was when some people used words like “scammers” etc and before Eric posted a link to his myspace blog).
Anyways, I decided to give $4 – I think that’s fair considering that I still hope to purchase the DVD when it’s available here (and I usually wait until the prices have dropped a little so I rarely end up spending more than $14).
I just finished watching ‘The Man From Earth’ and I must say, it’s a damn masterpiece. I have read so many good reviews about it that I just had to see it and now that I have, I am buying it on DVD. This movie is worthy and is a lot better than most of the crap Hollywood has been shoving down our throats.
Congratulations guys on creating such a wonderful film! I hope my purchase of three copies helps you out and I look forward to your next film!
Good on him, file sharing is really a great way to get out to the masses
you rock dude
to R4inx post #242 — I wish I knew what the heck you were talking about, with the downloading, “wrap a free torrent client together”… sorry! This is Greek to me. But they sound like very exciting ideas. Perhaps at some point you or someone else can explain to us exactly what you mean and/or how to execute it and we can look into that. We’d probably have to upgrade our web site, though.
guys, I passed this movie once it was released by domino and is a cheap film. i will download it and if I like it, for real, ill drop some euros via paypal
peace
Props to the director i will buy this movie for support..
Viva Piracy
Mmm… i never tougth i would read something like this and here we are, finally someone that sees piracy in a different way, i have not seen the movie but now im pretty sure im going to buy it.
Peace
Remember how the two Jhons (carmack & romero)
The started giving out stuff for free at the begining. and manny of us liked it, some liked it so much that they was sending them money.
now? THE ARE F**KING rich
Wow most number of comments I have ever seen on a post.
This is been done before, so i don’t get all the fuzz about it here, but it’s still awesome moviemakers do this. I hope more and more will use this as a channel to promote their work. It would be nice to see this kind of ‘market’ making the now-existing market disappear because the honesty system is simply better. People will pay less, but more people will buy and the money will go to the people who deserve it, not the big shots.
Good luck on future projects:)
Enjoyed the movie, will consider buying it:)
I’d go over to walmart and buy it but I don’t possess any money to do that with. My music isn’t selling…I do the “bard” thing, give it away, hope for donations after. Only, I’m not getting any donations and the coffee house I play at doesn’t pay except in free drinks.
Anyhow, when you’re done giving Eric your donations for his film … jump on over and listen to free music, read free stories, download or request any songs and I’ll give them to you for free.
http://www.myspace.com/novellice
http://www.novellice.com/theRedPress/
http://thepiratebay.org/user/theRedPress
And thar you go. You can donate if you like, or don’t. Wee jumping on the “Radiohead” bandwagon (or rather not because I’ve been doing this for the last three years :p)
This article made my day. I’m glad to see that even the people behind the products are finally realizing what downloading their products really does for them.
I live in a small country and watch a lot of movies and listen to a lot of music, but the information that i get from the papers and other media are only about the i.e. top ten music albums (like that sad little thing called Britney) and only about the most watched movies. So far i have found at least 50 music albums that nobody hasn’t even heard of but like me when i introduced them to my friends aswell they also fell in love with them and ordered them. Same goes for the movies. The mass movies don’t need our support if they have hundreds of millions to spend on a movie wich the public will be viewing in the theaters only because the special effects.
Anyway… i hate the word pirate and piracy. I associate it with the cheap copyed stuff that are being sold on the black market in countries like thailand and russia. Piracy to me is making money with other peoples products (if you download a movie and sell it to someone then this applies to you aswell). While most of us just download stuff for ourselves and have not made a dime with these on the contratry we have just gave the products more publicity -> more buying customers.
#246 gHoul :
You mentioned how much you spent on stuff but forgot to mention how much the spiffy emo haircuts were.
This is awesome despite all the people downloading it, now that there is ace positive comments around the net more people who don’t have time, or simply don’t know how, to download it will buy it in an instant.
Richard and Eric,
When you release your next movie put a torrent link and a paypal link on the site and spread the word like this and you will have another popular movie. You said that getting tv rights is difficult, well after all the reviews, good comments and sales this should now be easier.
Hopefully if this works, and you do make money off it, another small company can get a good film out there using the same method and we may be seeing the future model of film distribution starting for a lot of Indie films. Of course the film still has to be good
Good Luck
A film producer creates the conditions for making movies. The producer initiates, coordinates, supervises and controls matters such as fundraising, hiring key personnel, and arranging for distributors. The producer is involved throughout all phases of the filmmaking process from development to completion of a project.
An executive producer of a motion picture is typically a producer who is sometimes involved in creative or technical aspects of production. This person generally handles business issues, and may also be a financier of a film.
Whatever the case may be for this guy, it doesn’t matter. This whole ordeal only strengthens the fact that p2p downloading of the movie made it popular and is now looking like the film will be successful.
Three cheers for RLSLOG and the torrent network!
Eric and Richard
if you’re still reading this, how about an update after the week. you can tell us how well you’ve sold and how it compares to the money you’ve raised via paypal. i’m interested to know the ratio of DVD:Torrent sales. don’t expect you to put up figures, but an idea of the balance would be great.
Thanks and good luck.
yahh
went and scored this at walmart this morning
@Richard Schenkman (Post 251)
Considering “R4inx post #242″
Sure, im more than willing to assist you on this for free. Just contact me using dTs7JPnkkfdjBZB2@spambox.us
Best wishes,
r4inx
Hello…. It’s now 9:51am in Los Angeles. Here’s an update:
Yesterday’s first-day DVD numbers were good. Not a grand-slam, but hardly a failure. Apparently they were considered good-to-very-good for a small science fiction movie without big stars or a pre-sold title.
But the only way we can hang on in stores through the all-important holiday season is if people really head out and buy the DVD this week.
So if anyone is considering buying the DVD…now’s the time! Wal-Mart stores (NOT online!) and Circuit City probably have the best prices brick-and-mortar, and Amazon has the best price online. And by the way — you might as well find the cheapest price you can, because any future return to us (the filmmakers) is only based on the wholesale price anyhow.
As for PayPal… more than 22 people from all over the world made payments in the first few hours, ranging from just a few US dollars to over one hundred! It’s a very impressive start, and we appreciate the response very much, both as a statement of support, and as a practical matter of additional income.
So, what’s next?
Well, if you want to support the film (and filmmakers like us), we’d love for you to buy the DVD (heck, buy two and give one to your mom)… and of course it’d be teriffic if people who can’t buy the DVD send a few dollars to the PayPal address… but also very important is to keep the IMDB postings coming. If people keep visiting the movie’s IMDB page and making posts, we’ll stay in their MovieMeter top ten, which does bring a lot of attention to the film. If we can stay in the top ten, or even move up from #6, the mainstream press might start paying attention to the film, and things could really open up for us.
In fact, if any of you have contacts in the mainstream press, please let them know about this film and this story. This goes for Americans a well as those who live outside the US. We want this movie to come out in every country!
Once again, thank you so much for your ongoing support. Eric and I appreciate it so, so much.
Congrats to the makers and the actors of this great movie. You created a true piece of art.
Buying my copy today, absolutely brilliant film.
Have you ever thought about having filming’s at colleges? I know my university would love to host your film.
Fantastic Eric D. Wilkinson!
The funny thing is that i read all about this in the Norwegian newspaper first..
*Sorry RLSlog* smile!
So i had 2 come here and read for my self…
I have not DL this yet, but now i sure will.
Concerning the rating at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683
This is what my kind of people say about it:
“omg WhAT AN AWSOME FILME, just watched it and it is one of few movies that made me enter another reality. The end is dolorous and painfull but still a great end
9.7/10″
and
“I watched this movie last night and it was awsome! This proves that you can make a great movie without thousands of explosions and hot chicks running around.
Another movie that is similar and also awsome is K-PAX.
9,5/10
”
This movie is for sure one i will grabb an original copy of..
This is history friends..
Cheers from
Norway
@222 (1241 A.D.)
You made the best post on here. Very entertaining. I must say, I completely agree. We as consumers have to take a blind leap of faith when it comes to music, movies and books. Entertainment is the one industry where NO ONE is guaranteed satisfaction. Money is tight for a lot of people these days, and after you’ve been burned so many times by paying for mediocre (or worse) product you feel somewhat justified in downloading. I, as many on here do, use downloading as a way to “try before you buy.” If I like something I show my support by purchasing a DVD, going to a concert, buying the t-shirt or whatever. What I pay should match my enjoyment level. Why do they charge $19.99 for Citizen Kane and the same for a crapfest like Hot Rod? Would you pay $45,000 for a Kia? Hell no. For that money I better have a three-point star in a circle on my hood.
Sorry I’ve been quiet all day. I had to get some work done. Just read all of the new posts. You guys are great! I’ll check in again later.
I liked the movie, and thanks to this I might just end up buying it. Smooth move!
Awesome.
I actually downloaded this and watched it a week ago, usually, I dont watch movies where people talk, yes only talk, for 90 minutes but this was very do-able.
Gave it a 7 or 8, just cause of the story (i know its a book), but still, it didnt come over as ridiculous.
Great stuff for a company like that.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WuMRZZIOTdE
Click me please i want some free publicity as well
Love it!!!!
My understanding is that the film is still All Rights Reserved so it is illegal for me to download and share it regardless of how the producer or director feels.
Is there an official notice giving permission to download and share? How about releasing the movie under a CC license if sharing is what is desired?
Sounds like a great movie. I hope I see it one day.
YES! That’s what file sharing is for, sharing with the community and friends. Not Stealing!
If I see a movie I download that I like, I’ll recommend my friends to go watch it in the cinema or I’ll go watch it again in the cinema, and when the DVD is out, I’ll go buy the DVD to keep in my collection. I’ll also give it a good review on the internet.
For those who download and don’t go buy the DVD, we’ll have to forgive them because not everyone can afford everything they want!
For those who download and convert to DVDs to sell, to make a profit! Those real pirates out there… then that is STEALING! And sometimes the profit from pirating DVDs goes to organised crime such as terrorism, human trafficking, and planning larger scams!
Do not buy pirated DVDs, you indirectly sponsor organised crime!
The law should put a blind eye on downloads as it really indirectly push the market. But should hit hard on those who make a profit out of it.
I have always been preaching this:
Pirated DVDs = Guilty! Stealing! DO NOT BUY!
BT Downloads = Not Guilty! Forgive!
WHASUP, rls log! Thought I would drop by with an update.
I am overwhelmed by the wonderful things everyone has been saying about our film. RLSlog is my new favorite site. The support has been nothing short of phenomenal and this whole experience has been amazing. Please keep posting. I LOVE the debates and arguments, comments and reviews.
If you live here in the US, JEROME BIXBY’S THE MAN FROM EARTH is now available on DVD (Wal-Mart, select Circuit City & Best Buy stores, J & R Music World, FYE, Barnes & Noble and to rent at Hollywood / Movie Gallery).
Per many of your requests, we have updated the http://www.manfromearth.com website with a “direct link button” on the top left hand corner.
PLEASE KEEP POSTING! I don’t sleep anymore. All I do is come here (and imdb) and read!!!
Thanks again.
I will buy that movie when it comes out on DVD purely due to the positive reaction of the producer/director.
Unlike a lot of people here, I don’t think sharing your movie on the web gets you more attention and positive reviews all by itself.
The reason why this is working so well for them on imdb is not “filesharing”, it’s the quality of the movie.
We, the so called “pirates”, only gave this movie a chance in todays world where adverts tells you what you should like or dislike.
We’re not thieves in the first place, we’re only bored of paying for something we don’t even like. Of course there will always be people wanting to download for free and who will never pay, but be honest, that does not make “lost sales”. They would rather not watch it than pay.
But there are also a lot (and I mean *a lot*) of movie lovers who use filesharing because it provides them with an easy access to everything, fast, in the quality they want, without having to pay ten times for the same thing.
And without adding DRM to their movie, which is the way hollywood use to say to its customer “we don’t trust you, thieves”. We use filesharing because it’s more convenient, but we are all willing to pay for good products.
It may sounds good, but it’s also a trap: we are willing to pay for GOOD products. If we watch a movie and dislike it, we won’t pay.
Even worse from your point of view, if we watch a movie we dislike, we will slash it in the back. You’ve seen what a +++ rating on imdb can do, i let you imagine what a — rating would do.
In other word, it’s all good for the consummer who get better product (i use “product” since that also applies to music for exemple), with no big-drm-brother, it allows the creator to make money from us instead of fighting us and getting tons of reviews, but it also disallow him to make a cheap poor quality one that we can see a lot these day.
I would love to read reaction to this from either Eric or Richard, to see if they do understand the full implication of the “digital age”. An age where consummers get back the power to say what is good and what’s not. It worked like that in the past, but is today’s industry ready to go back to this model, with cost rising so much ?
Btw: I agree with the guy saying a torrent pack on your website would help a lot.
, find a good torrent on a public tracker (the pirate bay or mininova for exemples), and write a nice txt explaining to people how to pay a few bucks if they like it, and to feel free to comment.
You wouldn’t have to upgrade anything: find a free-to-share bittorent client on the web (we thieves like to share for free
Put all these things in a zip file. Give that zip on your website. You don’t host the movie, we the thieves do it for you
If you have any technical question about this you could ocntact the upper guys who proposed it, or the rlslog staff maybe for advice, or even me at bobbydoh-at-gmail-dot-com
But before you do any of this, you better check your legal rights to do so, because even if you own your movie, I’m afraid your contract with walmart, or theaters or whoever might disallow you to do so.
This is an amazing movie! Gotta watch it!
yes indeed this is one of the merits of file-sharing sites. It’s a really good form of advertisement for such independent musicians/film producers.
i m from Morocco a thousands of miles from America , if it wasn’t for file sharing i wouldn’t appreciated watching this master-piece
i think a cult movie is born…..
Cool i dont know about all you guys but if i like something i download i always buy it if i can i wonder if the anti piracy guys now that its quite common to download the the stuff first then buy it? Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth has already been ordered should arrive in a few days
Yeah… What he said!
By the way, if you haven’t gone to IMDb and rated the movie, reviews the movie or posted comments, PLEASE DO SO. I really think we have a shot of moving into the top 3 tomorrow night. That would be really cool. Please head over to:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0756683/board
and post. Thanks!
Wow, this movie was so awesome that I even registered to the IMDB and gave this movie 10/10!
Dear mr. Eric D. Wilkinson: If your movie comes to shops in Finland, I will buy it.
To me being a pirate is a great way to find out things worth being purchased.
I have a Blockbuster account for pretty much just this reason.
Most of the movies I torrent I end up getting from Blockbuster so I can see the extras, or just to watch it again because I’ve deleted it.
Most of the torrenting I do is to get content that I can’t buy/rent due to availability.
I just added this one to my queue.
File sharing helps in many ways, Eric D. Wilkinson i would just like to say i enjoyed your movie very much, its very very interesting, i will surely buy it when its out and add to my collection, its one of those ones i could watch over, i also passed it onto family and friends who very much enjoyed the movie too, good luck and can’t wait until your next movie.
Regards
thats how viewing our media should be. first download it, then watch it and if you like it then buy the dvd, if you cant afford the dvd then send them as much as you can afford. it should be cheaper as your not paying anything for the packaging and nothing for importing it, so you cut out the middleman and thus make the product as affordable as possible.
piracy isnt killing the music, movie scene. its the greedy bast*rd profiteers who are ruining it.
@jack white
Totally agree! I also think this system should be expanded to restaurants. First, order your food, then eat it, and if you like it then buy it, if you cant afford the full meal, then just leave them as much as you can afford.
The greedy profiteers that run restaurants are ruining that scene for everyone.
@BrotherJustin: Thanx that finally someone got the point in my bad english
Somehow….some sort of “respect” was growing in me for Richard & Eric so I wait for the DVD to get released in “The Old World” and buy it. If your film starts here(maybe in Cinemas?) I will start my full supporting power right away to give you the best support from a single person, teasing it on my community Site(not that big…~1800 people/Month) I run, even some commercial banners (if allowed).
I just can simply say again: Thanx for doing it that way.
Such a great movie and one that I probably would never have heard of, or seen if it wasn’t for p2p.
Great to see support for filesharing, I myself download music simply to hear if it is any good, I always buy the CD if it is worthy of £10 of my hard-earned cash.
Eric D. Wilkinson – brilliant movie, thought provoking and challenging dialogue, my girlfriend and I are both scientists and we were fascinated.
Like everyone else has said, support this genuine guy and buy the DVD.
I liked the movie. Hope they make more of those kinds of movies. It’s really interesting although the whole movie took place only in 1 place.
I finished downloading this movie yesterday and was totally blown away! I just ordered it after finding it on Amazon.ca and posted the first review there.
The producer shouldn’t be worried about profit because this movie will become a classic, I’m certain of it. It might take a couple of years before the fanbase becomes big enough but it will happen.
Word to mouth, or keyboard to keyboard will do it’s job
Thanks, Myrdek.
I’m posting this to Thank you guys again for your support (and to be the 300 POST, Woooo!). The postings and reviews are still coming fast and furious on IMDb. Although we dropped a little to #22 on the MOVIEmeter, that is still WAY higher than I ever though we would get. Please keep letting us know what you think, if you havent already. We have our first “fan” built website (that’s so effin’ cool) at http://www.themanfromearth.com AND we have created a title page at the official “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth” website at http://www.manfromearth.com to keep you updated on the latest. Many people have requested we post the song “Forever” (from the end of the movie during the credits). We should have it up later today as a free mp3 download for all to share (WITH NO DRM, ENJOY!).
Thanks again. Please keep posting.
Eric D. Wilkinson
Producer
Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth
congrats again to all involved. i hope to see more from you guys in future!
i see you’re currently rated at 8.5/10. you’re not in the IMDB Top 250, but i guess that’s only because you need a certain amount of votes to qualify, but right now you’re rating alongside the likes of Lawrence of Arabia, The Matrix, Taxi Driver, Vertigo, It’s A Wonderful Life and Apocalypse Now!
and better than Chinatown, The Shining, Reservoir Dogs, Raging Bull and Terminator 2!
Not bad going, guys!
Because of one mans happiness cause of his new popularity, isn’t helping me to conclude that piracy should be legal.
Software should be bought just like hardware. It’s work behind both.
Be careful i’ve just received a law suit for downloading a game via new torrents that i found on releaselog for £500 so someone is watching us
Great for the dude. He made fame but not money. Hard to make both from an independent film.
As for piracy vs commercial? It’s the same argument as this: Gift Economy vs. Barter Economy. Neither bad and both are necessities.
~The Dude
Quality.
Please release this as a Region 2 DVD!
great movie, worth watching, crap quality cam though!!!!
My copy of the “The Man From Earth” DVD should ship from Amazon in a couple of days, the order is just waiting on Paprika.
Much better SF movie then the usual Hollywood crap.
Well, as a artist, I will mention that if I send ANYTHING
which I have createde, my PRIMARY goal is for people to
see what I have created, and share it, since the more people that see
my art I produce, the happier I will be. True there is a
financial downfall, but maybe this is the “electronic great depression”
where everyone on Earth is in a depression of some form.
Maybe artists will end up agreeing that they can have someone else
distribute their work. The major question is: (I am NOT a lawyer)
How about adding a extra fee (it can be small but pennies can make ppl wealthy)
to for users of ISP’s who mostly share with each other.
Something that the EFF proposed. (I trust the EFF more than the ACLU when it comes to technology
and “law” whatever this whole legal mess is.
Then again, as a artist I know if I go into a business where
I “sell” what I create i know beforehand that it’s not a good
business model to force something down people’s throats.
I say..Why has it become so difficult for ALL of us on Earth
to simply work TOGETHER, since we’re all on this planet together.
Maybe we could come up with solutions that are better than solutions that may be
invasive.
Well, my humble opinon is that the ’scene’ is of benefit to those who use it, and those that produce it, although ‘The Man’ would never admit this as he feels he is entitled to earn every last penny from other peoples creativity.
My view is that those that partake in the scene (Releasing, or Downloading) make a contribution to the art of others, my issue is when others sell it on, they are just as bad as ‘The Man’,
HU!!
RA
> This page is featured on the front page of Metafilter.
[URL=http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/23/piracy-helps-artists]TheInquirer[/url] had a little article as well.
WOW
Simply amazing that there are movie makers who actually _think_
For this, the makers of man from earth got a good link from my site too. Keep it up guys!
BTW
In Holland this article and the happy news was posted too. Right here: http://retecool.com/post/de-filmmaker-die-ons-bedankte
Ignore Nr [B]312[/B]:
Thats not the original Firefox site
the movie was great. i have nothing but positive feedback for this movie. i recommend this movie to all my friends. i’m glad to see a director thanking the whole file sharing community.
Greetings and Salutations…
I know many of you who have seen “Man From Earth” are from some far away places. If you have a sec, head over to this IMDb thread:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/board/thread/91063204
And just tell us what country you are from and that you would support a DVD release in your country. That would really help.
We had a decent 1st 2 weeks of sales, not “Transformers” numbers, but pretty good for an indie release. The nice thing was that the numbers held up pretty well for week 2, which usually doesn’t happen.
Also, if you are in the US, J & R Music World (www.jr.com) has put “The Man From Earth” on sale for only $9.99! That’s the cheapest price yet. If you haven’t picked it up, that’s the place to go.
Thanks again.
Eric D. Wilkinson
Well I sent a donation but only a small one $5. I wouldn’t give more unless I was getting a DVD Image and going to keep it. I viewed it more like me paying for a rental viewing. I’d certainly do they same for others like brick, if I could.
Form some of Eric D. Wilkinsons other comments I wonder if he realises that people who didn’t like the movie aren’t going to buy or donate, should they?.
A lot of people who downloaded probably ain’t even watched it yet and even more don’t know yet about the donate option.
I’m actually surprised that from certain Christian groups we haven’t seen more of a backlash, I thought they’d get to a certain point in the film and the placards would come out.
Greetings RLSloggers…
Please check out this article:
http://www.studiodaily.com/filmandvideo/technique/8809.html
From mainstream press Film and Video discussing Man From Earth and the influence from P2P.
Thanks again!
Eric D. Wilkinson
Sorry I should have added this in the earlier post. But I also paid for the recent radiohead internet release though I almost didn’t.
Like I imagine many people who downloaded I’ll also be buying the material off the shelf because of the extra videos and stuff.
So maybe other people figured they didn’t want to pay twice. I’m just saying I think if the material was only available via the web then I think more people would have contributed. In the end I decided it was important enough for me to show my support for the idea that I was willing to pay twice.
Hi, i loved the film.
Im from Portugal, when it will be for sale in Europe?
Thanks
Chicosoft,
We are working on it, I promise you. Hang in there, as we hope to have some news soon about this film being available in international territories.
Thanks.
Eric
Thanks should be to the producers for such an open mind. There is no way I can order the DVD since it is in a different region code than the players over here play, but I saw the movie, and I sent them money on their website, an amount I thought was valid for the amount of interest I had in the movie. thats how it should be. welcome to the future!
over 10 days no sign…is he dead?
Thank you. Eric D. Wilkinson producer of a small independent film called “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth”.
I will buy your films, I thought it was “fantastic”. I have already told all my friends about it and even had them looking for it before it was released at the movie stores. Kinda funny tryin to explain to one of my friends why he couldnt buy the movie just yet. When he finally saw it he loved it. Briliant work Sir, I for one will be happy to help keep the buzZ alive.
THX
No, not dead… just busy trying to get the foreign rights sold!
Just dropping by to say Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah or Happy EVERYTHING (depending on what you celebrate.
Will update here again soon.
Cheers!
Eric
Great Movie!! the best than i’ve seem in last years
Gran pelicula… de lo mejor q he visto en los ultimos años
Wow the movie was awesome. The work is great. I’ll be telling everyone about it. I don’t brag about movies mostly because they don’t make me want more, but this movie did it. Without special effects, without violent actions, just a simple story. I will try to donate soon, and I will try to keep donating that is how awesome the film was. Definitely buying the DVD.
Just checking in…
I know this message board has calmed down a bit, however, If you are reading this, I wanted to ask you to go to:
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2007/12/30/slice-of-scifi-poll-for-week-beginning-december-30-2007
and VOTE FOR “JEROME BIXBY’S THE MAN FROM EARTH”
Thanks so much and continued thanks for your support.
Eric D. Wilkinson
Producer
Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth
I just LOVED the MAN FROM THE EARTH. The movie was amazing, awesome and so on. No visual effects, but ONLY BRILIANT IDEA and story line.
whoa that guy looks like one major pillowbita
Dude, not cool.
dude, homo.
I really hope you go on to create/be a big part of many movies just as wonderful as this one Mr. Wilkinson. I hope the buss created by all this makes it possible to do all that you’ve envisioned… Good Luck. And thanks for the great post Rlslog.net
japanese little d..k,
Oh, I’m sorry. I get it now… “dude, homo” is you telling the world that you practice an “alternative lifestyle” and your “pillowbita” comment to me was said clearly out of personal experience. Good luck on your search for a boyfirend, but I don’t recommend hitting on people on the internet like this. Buy hey, best of luck to you on your search.
rtm,
Thanks for the kind words. Working on a new movie now and will be happy to send an update on the progress when we get out of the development stage.
E
2008 SATURN AWARD NOMINEE!!!
This morning we received the wonderful news that “Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth” was nominated for “Best DVD Release” in the 34th Annual Saturn Awards (http://www.saturnawards.org/nominations.html).
We couldn’t be more pleased, nor feel more honored. One of our primary goals from the start of this project was to do right by Jerome Bixby’s legacy within the science fiction community, and this nomination, we feel, recognizes that effort.
Our thanks go to all the members of The Academy of Science Fiction Fantasy & Horror Films, especially the members of the DVD committee.
And to fans of the film… if you happen to KNOW anybody on the DVD committee, please let them know how much you like it!
warmest greetings–
Richard Schenkman
& Eric D. Wilkinson
The attitude I see here of some people is pretty stupid, pirating a film on the theaters right now will not do anything positive for the company, this guy had free promotion, good for him, he did not have to money to promote it like the big films did, It did help this particular case, but did they stop to think that this guy needs every penny he can get from the film? hes not ritch so to him it makes a difference. I don’t see how it means that it applies to even 5% of the movies out right now.
Anyways I do see movies in the theater, sometimes even If I’ve seem them on pirated dvd’s, why? Because Theather kicks the ever living crap out of my pc or watching them in my house.
Also I find it a little disturbing that some people quickly go saying that “The Artist don’t do it for the money, its the company in charge of them”.. That’s the only reason 99% do it for, not for your enjoyment, if that was the case then their concert would be expensive enough just to cover their bills maintenance etc from the consert and not get a huge profit for themselves.
I actually started downloading only becuz every movie or CD i bought sucked and i was sick of wasting my money on crap. If i download and get something i like, i always go out and buy it.
If the industry wants to stop downloading they should start by putting out a better product. A lot of the stuff the industry releases is just to get people to buy it anyways with not enough emphasis on quality.
This is a rather old post… but I just watched the movie and googled it. I must say it is an awesome movie.
Regarding the topic of piracy, although it is “bad” that most of us download and thus not pay for the movie, it is also true that sometimes companies have no respect for the viewer/client/etc and not only in terms of movies but of video games, etc. I can’t count the times that, when I finish watching a downloaded movie, I think..” sigh.. I would feel really bad paying 15 AUD for such a #@%@#%”.
Fortunately this is the opposite..an extremely good movie..I will definitely buy the DVD and watch it at home with my family.
Cheers to the producers/writers!!! Congrats
Thanks for the kind words! For those of you who are reading this for the first time and saw Jerome Bixby’s The Man From Earth by way of P2P, we are still accepting donations (or you can just buy the DVD in the US or the UK)! Please go to http://www.manfromearth.com if you are feeling generous.
Thanks! Eric D. Wilkinson
THIS SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE, THIER IS NO 'LAW' ON THE NET. ORGANIZATIONS CAN DO VERY LITTLE TO PROFIT BECAUSE OF THAT.
WE ARE THE BACKBONE OF FUTURE VIDEO ENTERTAINMENT!! IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT THIER WILL BE GAME/ANIME MOVIES IN PRODUCTION THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
WE OWN THIS S H I T/SCENE PIRATES!!
P2P FOREVER!!
WE ARE THE REAL THING, THEIR THE ILLUSION!!!
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You sir, are a prize buffoon, a spasticatted twat. Run home now i can here your mummy calling.
well drone, if u say so, please explain ur reason for ur words, how u came to that conclusion. do u have a problem the way I'm aproaching this. u would prefer that their was no piracy
IMDb ratings are obviously very important nowadays and these guys found a clever way to make many people vote a 10. This is just part of a marketing strategy if you ask me… The movie is a nice idea, but not much more. I like the CV of the director, though
Reading this email made me cry like a baby in a microwave. I am so touched I am going to give all my money to charity. Who wants to hold hands and sing hyms?
once he is famous, then he will hate piracy.
we had a speaker who is the head of anti piracy at disney corporation as well as other things, and he discussed how torrents and downloading are no longer their major concern, that the actual bootleg copies that enter the market are the major concern, the ones that are physical dvd's, he said that torrent users (from disney corps studies) hardly hurt their profits, most people who download movies would have never bought the dvd or went to the theaters to begin with or will buy the dvd anyways if they enjoyed the film, he seemed to be argueing that most of the time torrent users hardly harm their major profits, he showed charts of their film profits over the time period before any major downloading sources online till now and there were hardly changes in their losses, he was more woried about stoping bootleg dvd's by delaying film releases in countries that have not made video camera's illegal in theaters or countries that are known for large amounts of bootleg dvd's till they have made most of their release profits across the globe, thought it was interesting to hear that from the head of disney corps anti-piracy group
incredible…I think they should sit on the same table with those netloaders to discuss future of media. Some part of the cash should also be shared by the viewers.U know…They making many releases and by advertising they attract our attention and spending our so much valuable 1.5-2 hours of us for their each film…What is that?:P yeah…That producers is a gentleman. I am waiting his new release to be downloaded by himself…Dear webmaster, u continue and we are supporting u…c..u'
have to say this is a most awesome movie, no special effects and probably a truly tiny budget, but a real thinking film.
I highly recommend a watch
Well, congratulations to the film producer and cast and kudos to rlslog.net.
This is a rare yet fortunate outcome of piracy that benefits the smaller players out there that need to get noticed and is the exact opposite sentiment for mainstream film companies that lose a lot to piracy. I wonder if Mr. Wilkinson will still appreciate piracy once he goes mainstream.
I won't be a hypocrite and I admit that I download torrents.Just keeping it real.
I kinda understand where you are coming from but there is one major difference between your little independent movie and the big hollywood movies…they want to make shed loads of money and recoup the multi-millions they spend.
Don't get me wrong, I love to be able to download movies, music, games etc. and my reason for doing this is simple. I personaly would never pay to go see many of the movies or buy every game or CD on the store shelf. I have to be selective and this so called piracy helps me be selective and buy the things I really enjoy.
I think if they really clamped down on piracy it would hurt them more than they realise and they would see a drop in sales across the digital media industry, from cinema attendances to games, dvd and cd purchases. Espesically in the current economic climate we don't have bottomless pockets and have to be very selective on where our hard earned, over-taxed wages go.
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this is because:
1) limited budget
2) expected to earn nothing
3) expected almost nobody to watch it
now go and tell "piracy aint that bad" to universal, fox, or paramount
Well finally someone saw how stupid economy of today can be.
If all Movies/music/games enterprises would stop to invest their money in anti-piracy protections and advertising and act as this guy, they would probably earned more money than now cause of expenses cut-off that would be drastical.
Most of peoples have somewhere deep in their mind feel of obligation to pay fair price for product/service they use. However they are also feel revolt when trying to be ripped off by paying what they find unfair price.
Great stuff. This is how it should be. Hollywood is stuck in the past and needs to reform. I haven't seen the film that was mentioned but if it was good, I'd be happy to send him a donation. Nice one RLSLOG!!
Update! Just saw the film and thought it awesome. Have donated $5 for the project as I believe it is a cause worth supporting!!
Great film and thanks for your cool response to rslog!!
i love this movie. when its out on bluray im definitely going to buy it!
dear author,
pls tell Eric D. Wilkinson to release his next movie under creative commons license. So that a lot of other people who would like to watch movie legally can benefit. It will reduce the number of "pirates" aka illegal users in the community.
I hope you will forward my message to the producer.
http://creativecommons.org
piracy is a total mess, it waste people hard work and through it on the floor becuase simply u just stole the work of monthes and simply just upload it for free,
they are going to stop someday , and a lot of jobs will be lost and your economy will go more bad and finaly u, urself will be affected,
simple theory and i am sure u heared it million time
just one thing at last
i never ever buy any software , i only download them for free from your website
why wud u pay if u can get it for free LOL
hehehehehehehhehehehhehe
Well he did great. Getting a nomination for a Saturn Award… without wasting 100 millions on publicity stunts?
There are now 2 shows on TV that just got there so much hype because of the Internet. Lost and FlashBack. Look at those series and see them on the first and what happened to them when the episodes just stacked the net. Millions where discussing it, millions where watching it and giving predictions. Lost had so much hype that the ABC website was crashing after each episode. And that couldn´t be only american people. Then the DVDS got out and they started to sell.
With flashback the same is happening. Even with good levels of people watching it on TV, the internet is a freeway for getting them publicity. The TV trailers where weak and just showed that “the world got sleepy for 237 minutes and hell break lose”. Well after the second episode, they got more people watching than Survivor…
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I gotta say this is the first time that I have read this and I can see where the guy is coming from, I did notice whilst browsing through the comments that some people were ridiculing him just because of the director/producer saying that he might upload the next film he does himself. What does this get him ? I’ll put in in several words.. Recognition, plus also gives potential investors the chance to see his work and just how many interested people there would be in his next production… So I say GOOD ON YA MATE.,…..
Hey guys! I’m a big downloader myself and I did watch and buy the movie and thought it was very good.
I’m also a writer and since I saw this post some weeks ago I decided to put my work online because (as some poster said above) real artists just care about their work and the people who appreciate it. Money is just a plus, unfortunately a needed one.
Well, my book is called “Diary of a Bipolar” and you can find it in most torrent sites. If you can’t or just want to drop me a line after/before reading just write to me at george _at_ diaryofabipolar _dot_com.
First he goes around file sharing sites that posted links for his movie complaining about piracy, and now he congratulates it.
What an idiot.
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Never read this, I’m one of the people who saw it in 2007. I still think about it today
Such an awesome movie.
I just saw it…..wow……I will order the DVD today. Its a classic and even some younger “transformers” morons will not like it….it will go in my DVD dashboard.
that proof one thing
marketing is simple cheating the buyers
the best way to buyers to know what they really want to buy and not crappy movies stuff games
is torrents file sharing!
ordering DVD as i type this…
Just watched this movie (because of the recent bluray rip) and I think its awesome!
I read this post long ago (probably the same day it was written) but didn’t really care for the movie cause I noticed that it was an independent movie and it didn’t have that many IMDB ratings.
I liked the description on the recent bluray post so I clicked the IMDB link and saw that it had lots of votes and a good 8.1 rating (i also rated it now, 10/10
), so I decided to download it and watch it. I didn’t even remember this post. Anyway, I liked the movie so much that I decided to look it up on wikipedia which led me to the torrentfreak post about this post. And so here I am. 
By the way, the song at the end of the movie is also good.
found your site on del.icio.us today and really liked it.. i bookmarked it and will be back to check it out some more later ..
I am SO GONNA BUY this movie because the producer is SUCH A SLICK DUDE!
Even though Ive already seen the film…
AWESOME!
I think it is high time we separate the file sharing concept from the piracy concept. Piracy envolves making money out of the files and file sharing envolves, well, in a nut shell, sharing, with no money envolved. Therefore, file sharing is NOT piracy, and the file sharing community shold always make that clear for those who mix these two concepts.
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We all know that this world is wrong. We humans should be sharing things. Not trading. We all should have our roles and be treated the same but no.
I arrived to RLSLOG from a web search on “software piracy”, the focus of my own blog. I’ll quote some of the insights here in my upcoming articles in that’s okay with you
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crazy dude….long live piracy and pirates …lol
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Pull a Radiohead
As you know it works, dont spend time fighting the machine! Flow with the wave, and it will work FOR you!! FREE
radioheads albums sold about the same but guess what.. they sold more tickets and tour merch.
in times like this, if you can add say SPECIAL THANKS section in the next movie for people who donate! that would .. like rock
more might donate
my name! in a movie! … even a tiny one at the end!
Works like a charm for games, why not movies
and this is coming from a dev/old tester
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Piracy is nt something to detest. If something makes money change hands, and keeps people occupied in productive pursuits, its all good for the economy anyways. Only that the rightful owner (producer) isnt receiving a share of the money. I think they could just as well throw in some ads and release all new movies after 30 days in the box office, via the internet. I will only be too happy to put up with some ads at the beginning and end of movies if it will make them legal. If I earned more, I will buy such DVDs frm legit sources, but those who are against so-called piracy can think of it as ‘cultural spread’ or ‘cultural imperalism’ for overseas markets – they are only spreading their words and their culture as far and wide as possible, and as long as the downloading/leeching happens by choice, and not by coercion or force, i dont see anything wrong.
IMO “The Dark Knight” PROVED that piracy isn’t that bad, it made a BILLION dollars and was one of the most downloaded movie that year, and it goes to show that people will PAY to see GOOD movies the same could be said for avatar
if a movie done poorly after being downloaded then it was a CRAP movie nuff said
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Wow, the films seems great.
Ok I will download it and then donate 5 Euro if I like it.
This producer is great. Everyone ought to support him!
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