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Opera attacks Microsoft’s monopoly policy

Posted on 13.12.2007 at 16:30 in Tech News by Martin

Microsoft has once more come under fire for allegedly anti-competitive behaviour – this time from software rival Opera. The Norwegian company, which makes an internet browser of the same name, has filed a complaint with European Union officials accusing Microsoft of stifling competition. Opera, which has around 12 million users worldwide, said today that Microsoft had been acting anti-competitively by bundling its Internet Explorer program with the Windows operating system. “We are filing this complaint on behalf of all consumers who are tired of having a monopolist make choices for them,” said Jon von Tetzchner, the chief executive of Opera. “We cannot rest until we’ve brought fair and equitable options to consumers worldwide.”

The company said it was looking for a series of measures from European officials, including forcing Microsoft to unbundle Internet Explorer or allowing rival products to be preinstalled in Windows, and compelling Microsoft to follow design guidelines issued by web standards groups. “Computer users have complete freedom of choice to use and set as default any browser they wish,” the company said in a statement. Last year the EU fined Microsoft a record €280m in a similar antitrust battle over its Windows Media Player software. Opera’s claims are closely modeled on the high-profile case against Microsoft pursued by the US government in a six-year battle over the integration of Internet Explorer into the Windows operating system. I’m slowly getting tired of all these “best browser” debates and counteractions of competitive companies…

Source: Guardian 

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  1. eitanois
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:31

    first yahoooo

  2. bunnieofdoom
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:33

    we must all use firefox, flameon! lol

  3. Anonymous
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:34

    LYNX is the only true web browser

  4. tramp
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:35

    You’re an idiot eitanois…

    The problem with internet explorers and such is the fact that ‘the stupids’ (i.e. the computer illiterate) don’t realise that there are choices. Most people don’t want the choice, they just want to explore the internet as quickly as possible and giving them the choice might make their little halo-3-fanboy heads explode.

    (that was meant to be a joke, don’t flame me)

  5. GiGi.
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:38

    How the hell are you going to download a new browser without one installed already then? People who want another browser will download it anyway.

  6. eitanois
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:41

    @5

    How the hell are you going to download a new browser without one installed already then?

    The DOS emulator on Vista comes with a build-in Ftp. =D

  7. Bilbo
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:43

    “they just want to explore the internet as quickly as possible”

    with IE? …HAH!

    I use Opera mostly and firefox a bit. Opera definitely IS the fastest browser i’ve ever used…however with some web admins not testing their site with it, on a rare occasion you will find a site that doesn’t work completely. like 1 in 1000.,

  8. shazaaam
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:45

    But is it better than Halo 3 ?

  9. Arnold
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:46

    i use Opera and firefox, the reason i use both is, Opera can be a damn system hog, using 99% of CPU, and as my Quad hasnt arrived this is annoying, and firefox because its fast reliable and good. Opera would be much better if they fixed the damned bugs. I used Explorer years ago, but that damn stuff added so many toolbars and crap, even with Spyware software that it was futile.

  10. Influenced
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:47

    I totally agree with 4

  11. Morghus
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:48

    About time.
    It’s not like it’s hard to implement a window that lets you take a look at all the options out there, and a small text with a presentation and a dl-link.

  12. eitanois
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:48

    @7

    Depends what sites you visit,

    for example:

    governments, Colleges, banks, job application’s

    not run well on Opera and Firefox.

    Resuming: If you use a computer to work, IE all the way.

  13. davross23
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:53

    @ bilbo

    well your normal person wants a page to load in a not outrageous amount of time, not an uber geek sitting with a stop watch going “oooooh yay opera is soo much faster yay”

    you have waaaaay to much time on your hands

  14. eitanois
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:55

    @14

    You are implying that he is g.a.y?

    There always a place for a new Homophobic here at rsLog…

  15. random
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:56

    I used Opera for a year then Firefox & Mozilla on Linux for a year and when I changed to 64bit Vista there was only IE at the time.
    Any who im still using it, I installed the newest Firefox the other day and it looked so dated.

    I did have to install IE7 pro 1.2 so that if it crashes it reopens with the same tabs, but I had a plugin that did the same in Firefox.

  16. Bnutz
    December 13th, 2007 | 16:58

    I am so fed up of these companys trying to make money off someone else. They should go after Apple next since it comes with safari but they won’t because everyone has a grudge against microsoft, Has the EU gone after apple with itunes? nope. Everyone is trying to make a dollar and don’t care about consumers, why should microsoft make a product which does not include the programs a features to make a better experience for the consumer. It should come with all these programs and it should be the consumers choice to use it or not. What next, I can’t get seats in my new car because there are other copmanies that make seats and if my car came with seat I wont get theirs. Another thing is that better for stability and less frustatration when simple program like IE and WMP come with the system, it works better and if there is a problem you go to one guy, not three different people pointing the finger at the other guy, ie opera to microsoft then to your ISP back to opera then to security software then to microsoft.

  17. thomas
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:00

    eitanois:
    REAL Resuming: they are paid by MS or they hire n00bs

    1) Opera
    2) Firefox
    9) IE

  18. OPERA FAN
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:01

    OPERA RULEEEZZ

  19. trell
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:03

    @13. Yeah, but what about the other 99.9% of the world, who just want to browse for porn and funny vids? ;-)

    Now, going back to the original topic, I don’t get what Opera are getting their knickers in a bunch about. (and usually, I’m an M$ hater!) – The way I see it, IE is not forced on anyone. It’s just a peripheral that’s part of an OS package. You don’t see people at Winamp or VLC complaining about Windows Media Player, do you?

    …and I agree with whoever said ‘How are you going to get Firefox/Opera/your choice of browser, without an initial browser on your operating system?’ – Who the hell is going to use a DOS emulator to get hold of a browser?

    Judging from the comments here, regardless of whether you use IE, Opera, Firefox, Safari or whatever browser you prefer, it demonstrates that the complaint that Opera are trying to sue Microsoft over is wrong! Microsoft aren’t monopolising anything on the subject of their peripherals. It’s the O/S that should be targeted for lawsuits regarding monopolisation.

    IE7 still sucks ass & balls though..! :-D

  20. thomas
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:06

    @20
    +1

  21. Fatburger
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:06

    Pretty dumb on Opera’s part, if it wasn’t for Microsoft, they wouldn’t exist. And of course they’re gonna pack in IE with Windows, it MSoft!!

    I’m not a MSoft fanboy, but take a look at Apple/Mac. Can you buy a apple/mac made by anyone else but them? No. Is there an Acer Mac, or other brand of Mac? Nope. THAT is a monopoly when third party companies cannot make your machine.

    The reason MSoft is so successful is that ANYONE can go and build a PC and use Windows on it. Or go to Staples or where ever and have options as to what to buy, and from which company. With Mac’s you get it made by Apple. No one else. And from the look of the iMac’s I see, upgrading those things is IMPOSSIBLE, meaning you need a whole new one every two years. I say that is something people should be going after, cuz the Mac’s are expensive, but guaranteed to be no good in two years and can’t be upgraded.

    Bye Bye!!

  22. eitanois
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:07

    @20 -

    “Yeah, but what about the other 99.9% of the world, who just want to browse for porn and funny vids?”

    I am in this group… Firefox Forever ^^

  23. FaRdEr
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:08

    I agree with 17 this is stupid I’m not a fan of IE but they make the operating system its going to come with there software. If people want something else they can have it Microsoft doesn’t stop them from using a different browser.

  24. Amn
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:12

    I think its ridiculous that Microsoft cannot ship their own product with their own operating system. I dont use IE and will download Firefox asap each reinstall.

    But still its THEIR product nobody complains that firefox comes preinstall with most linux distributions and a heap of other software so what makes it different for Microsoft?

  25. chriscross
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:15

    “Microsoft’s monopoly policy” ? very subtle :lol:

  26. B0B
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:15

    TBH, WHO FOOOKIN CARES!

    I wish the european court would fork off and stop faffing about with some stupid anti trust, go save africa from aids or something instead.

  27. Nem
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:16

    What’s up with all these nonsense-posts?
    If you want to make a general-techy blog, then just make another one! RLSLOG <- is it not supposed to be about releases? t_T

  28. Sean
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:17

    Last time i checked, browsers were FREE. Competition between products that make nobody any money are pissing contests.

  29. FPS_Fan
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:19

    Opera is a sh!t browser. final answer

  30. JC
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:20

    Opera is the most standards compliant browser available – see here: http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top to see how good IE / Firefox is

  31. Unorthodox
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:22

    I’m all for MS complying with net standards because it wouldn’t half make web designers happy and things would overall run and look better, but not included IE as standard? Hmmm I’m not too sure about that. I mean sure….it’s not a great browser and most people in the know wouldn’t use it but the vast majority couldn’t give a rats arse what browser they use. Not including it as standard with Windows would just likely lead to confussion for the dumb masses….actually maybe that’s a good thing?

  32. xxuaoxx
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:22

    @29

    +1

    Don’t say that! Then they’ll roll out Pro or Advanced versions of browsers that you have to pay for!

    ZOMG!

  33. whatever
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:25

    anyone can use any browser they want! just get it and delete IE… what a bunch of cry-baby wankers!! I hope MS crushes all of them and pisses on there remains… EuroTrash!

  34. Tim
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:36

    i agree with Bnutz (17)

  35. Tim
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:37

    i agree with Bnutz (17).

  36. Aero
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:37

    if microsoft has any sense all you need to do is when u first lauch internet on a clean install it asks wat explorer u wish to install, weather it be op ,fire , or good old ms exp, give a small percent of sales too the companys ,keeps them happy,they prolly will sell my copys of their os its a good marketing point so keeps them happy out of trouble, consumer happy cause of the choice ,

    i think its pretty stupid taking i.e out of vista i would say xp but its only got 6mths of life left to be able to buy it, it is part of windows always have been , the others copied it by rights , but its good to have lots of choice it keeps new things comming out better each time , and the others are only a little more sercure than i.e because the hackers go for what most people use ,bit like apple their os is only secure or used to be they been under attack a little lately because only 5% on the market is macs .

  37. ero
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:40

    sometimes you have to SHOW YOUR TEETH to those americans

  38. RossF
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:42

    Why should wouldn’t they include something which is free.
    it isnt exactly taxing to replace.
    thats like buying a happy meal and saying ‘keep the toy’

  39. crimson
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:43

    “I’m slowly getting tired of all these “best browser” debates and counteractions of competitive companies…” ->

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

  40. DjSaDoL
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:44

    Firefox!!!

  41. romeozor
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:46

    next news will be Sony slapping Microsoft for enforcing the install of windows movie maker and not allowing vegas to be selected as an alternative. i mean come on. if they want to advertise themselves, pick up sponsorship to something popular or whatever

  42. dym
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:46

    using opera for years no (since back 2002 or so, not sure) and it has everything I need and ever wanted. tried firefox but wäähhh it takes me 10 minutes to configure opera the way I want it and in firefox I have to fidle with a dozend addons to make it working the way I want it with everything I need.

    The thing with IE is, IE has its own “standards” and these are quiet different form the webstandards. occasionaly you will stumble over sites that are “optimized” for IE and appear “buggy” with opera/firefox and telling you “use IE cause it is teh sh14t”

    so sue MS they pretty much deserve it!

  43. Affar
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:47

    I am using Opera for at least 7 years. And I am still using it along with Firefox. Firefox is useful whenever you want to use its plugins. But other than that it is almost the same as IE.

    BTW, MS should allow its users to select the browser they want. If MS can bundle its OS with IE, Firefox, and Opera and the users can uninstall any browser he wants. Now that is a true competition.

  44. Aero
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:48

    @41

    Microsoft’s newest operating system, Vista is approaching OSX in terms of market share. This should come as no surprise since there are millions on millions more PCs than there are Macs but still, Vista is now installed on at least 5% of PCs meaning it is only 1% away from topping OSX and only 1.1% away from passing it.

    dats from there just googles it lol so i was 1 percent out they got 6%

    lol

  45. jv
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:48

    CameraShy isn’t a browser. It’s an encryption tool.

  46. memyself&1
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:49

    somebody goes to the store and buys MS XP _without Mediaplayer edition,
    and later goes back to the store becaus he cannot play his audio-cd’s,he demands a refund.

    then another version appears on the shelves
    XP(vista) without explorer (we use NC),without Wordpad (we use openoffice),without mediaplayer (we use Nero),no InternetExplorer (we use FF,Opera,whatever),since you can download it somewhere (funny enough,the majority doesn’t know any other options than using a browser)
    then the customer goes to the store to buy this version and the employee says: this is the only version allowed in the EU, you have to pay additional 30€ for a browser,30€ for a mediaplayer,etc
    or you can buy this all in one XP/Vista package for the same price…

    the EU (Nelie smit kroes,holland still hates her for the failures she left behind),currently only uses Microsoft for lowering the debt of the countries behind the iron curtain

  47. dym
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:49

    and to all firefoxlovers out there:

    http://www.firefoxmyths.com/

    and now flame me xD

  48. ke
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:53

    how about opera make their own operating system and stop whining

  49. finish him
    December 13th, 2007 | 17:57

    Well i’m europan and opera/firefox user, and i still think that this attack is absolutely ridiculous!

    It’s not MS fault if Opera cannot manage to have a bigger share of users, Opera’s features are just not following the wishes of the majority (like plug-ins, great adblocker: the one in opera is way too simple and inefficient).
    Opera is also still years away from the “compatibility” of FF with websites, so until they fix this, they’ll still be a distant third…

    And complaining that IE should not be integrated in WS, wtf!?
    How would we able to acces internet after the OS install if there was no browser already integrated?
    It’s not like WS was preventing users to install other competitor software.

  50. romeozor
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:00

    @52 if you make a calculator would you:
    a, tell everyone its nothing special, it gets the job done, its simple to use and gain nothing at all
    b, tell everyone its the best, it calculates pi fast and accurate, it has a really huge memory to store previous calculations in etc. and gain market share

  51. Aero
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:04

    @52

    thanks for the post gr8 infomation there , thou im a i.e user thats very intresting , very intresting indeed ;) im gonna keep that link;)

  52. blunden
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:08

    @29: Well, that’s just not true. The Mozilla Foundation makes lots of money. Thankfully not be selling the browser though.

  53. alfcoder
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:08

    yeah f* microsoft and internet explorer, but do not use opera, rather use firefox

  54. kebrus
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:09

    you can all say whatever you want about which is the best browser, the fact is there are things that you can only do with firefox, because of the extensions obviously, so i don’t really care if the pages download 1 or 2 seconds slower in firefox… in the same way, there are only things you can do with IE…
    but i don’t know of anything that i can only do with opera…

    now think, do you really believe IE is free? i’m pretty sure there is a small percentage of XP and Vista price exclusive for IE

  55. Sranshaft
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:11

    I’m with Bnutz on this one. Is anyone up in arms over Apple including everything under the sun in their OS? With Leopard, they’ve now included virtualization, virtual desktops, web browsers, backup software, you name it, it’s now in Leopard effectively putting all of the 3rd party developers whose living is made from these applications. Hell, they even include a suite of applications from desktop publishing to video creation. Anyone crying foul to the EU over this? No.

    Microsoft is in the business of making software and selling said software. It’s a case of an open and free market. It’s up to these developers to get in touch with the computer makers to include their products bundled with new computers; not complain to the EU when no one wants their software. It happened with Real Networks in the 90s. There was a reason no one wanted that piece of software and it wasn’t because of Microsoft and Windows Media Player.

    With Opera, they’re crying foul because they ‘only’ have 12 million users? 12 million users of their software is pretty good when you think of all the other browsers that came and went. They’re still around for a reason. If users want to use their browser, they will. Don’t cry to the EU about it.

    I’m really starting to wonder say in 10 years, the way things are going over there in Europe, what Microsoft’s OS ‘will’ include…it’ll be a barebone OS without anything included. When that happens, I’m sure everyone will be crying over having an OS that is virtually unusable out of the box and will require searching for every piece of software.

    Maybe if Microsoft went to some sort of apt-get like feature as in Linux, this sort of thing wouldn’t happen but then who knows. There’ll always be something these people will cry over. (Wah!! My piece of software is all the way at the bottom of the download list! Boo-hoo).

  56. Asterix
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:12

    As much as I hate M$, still stupid to complain about something you can alter yourself.

    I mean, don’t like it’s bundled? Just make your own damn OS and bundle Opera with it.

    With this logic, why not complain about Apple for bundling Safari??

  57. Aero
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:26

    ms will never take out stuff ,i mean they wouldnt be able to sell vista in europe with half the stuff for the same as say in the states where it woud be included , cause like guy said above u would have 2 go looking for everything and i would just d/l a pirate copy from the states be easier , so theres a problem that ms would have
    all u do is just play around with the pricing ,u make vista basic wat no 1 buys have none of the stuff included on it ,keeps um legal ,lose money on it , but make money by not gettin fined , thats prolly why there is a basic vista a loop hole in the law ,remember xp is only on 6mths extended sale so they aint gotta worry bout that o.s
    at the end of day the price of o.s dont go up theres just a basic verson wat no1 buys. pretty much wat is avilable now since basic aint got nothing in it anyway,

  58. Ozzy
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:31

    basicly opera is good for porn sites :-) and the rest also

  59. I_know
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:36

    Apple cannot be target for anti-trust since in order for a company to be accused to anti-trust they need to have a monopolic position (Which M$ has with 70% of market share) which they are taking advantage of, which they do. Apple has something like 10%..

    Also IE7 (Microsoft’s latest and greatest) fails ACID2 test which basically says that they *do not* follow W3C standards. ACID2 results you get with IE7 are same as Opera 3.60, which btw has been made 9 years ago :P

    I love Opera and it’s the best and fastest webbrowser at this planet and I hope that this will force IE Team to follow standards and stop slowing down every frikkin process in W3C and make life easier for all webdesigners out there!

  60. whois
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:37

    You can completly remove IE and pretty much any other ms component from the install disk and also put in almost any other browser onto the iso using nlite.

    http://www.nliteos.com/

  61. V
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:40

    Something I will complain about IE and Windows (pick your favorite one), is that Windows NEEDS IE to work.

    You cannot update Windows XP without using IE, since it’s only compatible with that browser, for a fact.

    And regarding the Mac ‘monopoly’… Hold on a minute: Mac is a trademark, a certain type of computer, so the answer is no, Acer, HP, Dell or whatever company will not start manufacturing Macs. Although, something that is in fact true is that the Mac OS cannot be legally installed on a computer other than a Mac, so that is in fact a valid arguement.

    Internet Explorer should not be a required part of the system, meaning that it could be safely uninstalled without losing ANY functionality.

    Oh and yeah, Firefox rules.

    .-

  62. GriM
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:54

    why not just make msoft add ie7 to ((add or remove programs)) so you then have the choice to keep it or not wouldnt that stop the moaning ?

  63. SID
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:55

    Surely for the price of Windows XP, which is more of a software suite than simple OS, we want as much as possible to come with it to get better value for our money. Whether we use it or not is up to individual preference. I have Firefox, IE and Opera on my machine to choose from but I still fall back on IE for 95% of what I do….through choice!

  64. LeFF
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:57

    @71: read #72… :P Tried nlite few months before… checked out IE and some other stuff (nott related). Windows kept poping out errors and hanging (more often than normally ;) ) …

  65. DOCTOR MACHINE
    December 13th, 2007 | 18:58

    I AM DOCTOR MACHINE

    I WAS READING THIS WEBSIT
    http://www.firefoxmyths.com/

    IS THIS TRUE? THIS WEBSIT SAYS TO ME FIREFOX IS MORE DANGEROUS FOR SPYWARE THEN INTENRET EXPLORER

    BUT EXPLAIN ME WHY I DONT GET SPUWARE WITH FIREFOX? IE GIVES ME SPYWARE. BUT THIS WEBSIT SAYS FIREFOX STINKS

    I DONT UNDERSTAND? MAYBE I AM TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND

    I AM DOCTOR MACHINE

    EXIT

  66. Hierber
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:09

    I use Avant browser, very pleased…

  67. Vidhun
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:16

    One thing is for sure if opera is filing suit that means Opera themselve knows their browser sucks. Internet browser is the most basic requirement in an operating system in today’s world. Not everbody is a geek who can use ftp or irc or p2p to download software. Microsoft is perfectly right in installing a default browser with OS. I mean Its completely logical MAN! U R SHIPPING AN OS AND U DONT HAVE A BROWSER IN IT. KINDA SUCKS TO EVEN THINK LIKE THAT.
    There are other better browsers like K-meleon and firefox they dont need to file suits against microsoft to get publicity and attention.

  68. Johns
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:17

    I think it’s good that Microsoft delivers windows with it’s own programes.
    Imagine if you bought a SO that cannot play music,cannot browse the net,cannot even see pictures because they are not allowed to ship the product with it’s own software.
    There’s the idiot alternative of course,to put other company’s programmes.Of course,that would that they would have to buy the software(milions at least) and even if they would somehow manage to buy the software,imagine an SO on 10 Blu-rays because of the multitude of software.300 for imageviewers,500 movieplayers,10 browser,etc.
    Let’s go beyond that and say that somehow they would do all of the above.How the hell would anyone be able to choose one of them all?Never mind the fact that most are pieces of garbage

  69. Vidhun
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:19

    @79 exactly my point

  70. Bigtex
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:20

    So build your own OS Opera, friggin Whiners. If your product is good enough, people will download and use it. Firefox is good enough, people use it. My goodness, everyone has to cry rivers over everything. If they want their software to be pre-installed, they should build their own operating system.

    They should attack Apple as well, they put Safari on there! Those evil bastards, but no, we don’t attack them. They’re not big enough.

  71. Vidhun
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:24

    Even If microsoft ships default programs with OS which obviously kinda neccesary for daily work because when u first install in OS u need such programs like a media player,internet browser and all that. After that U can install any browser u want if u dont like default programs. people always have a choice so whats the problem in that. Why Opera is whining? If theit browser is better obviously they will get downloads.

  72. Vidhun
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:26

    Everyone just likes to blame microsoft and they are the same ppl who use MS OS daily. kinda ironical isn’t it?

  73. eurotrash
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:29

    “blahblah…eurotrash”

    do you yankees still have access to the web? yeah, to myspace i know but i was talking about the rest of the internet… oh! don’t you know there’s more?

  74. commander cool
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:34

    yayy 80th post :P

    opera works good for me , i think they started the whole tabbed browsing thast eventually other browsers caught up too , but you gotta love those who started it , also firefox is successful only on the fact that it is very similar to IE , maybe in interface .. all said and done

    hail opera !

    cheers

  75. [NZ]SoniKalien
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:34

    This is like complaining about the radio that comes with your car, and amounts to buying a new car, only to find that it has no radio, yet when you first start the car, a message might play through the speakers saying “if you want a factory stereo, go to Toyota; if you want a Pioneer stereo, go to a Pioneer shop; if you want.. *ad nauseum*”.

    Most people, if they don’t like the factory radio (like me) will pull it out and replace it with something decent. Who the he11 goes back to the car maker and sues them for preinstalling a radio?

    It’s just dumb.

  76. [NZ]SoniKalien
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:36

    And it’s not like Opera is losing money considering their browser is now free.

  77. why u care?
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:45

    people who hate microsoft are sad, u only hate them coz they are a rich company, and hey its fun to hate the rich company and become part of the little haterz group, i bet u are using windows nw. windows is their product so why cant they add stuff they have made to it? if u dont like the fact they add stuff to their own product anyway then go cry in a corner.

    its pathetic

  78. FPS_Fan
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:52

    ROFL @ opera’s failed plan at getting it commercialized (to make money)

  79. WakkoBlues
    December 13th, 2007 | 19:58

    I’m sure Opera is making some money from the Wii.

  80. dllhost
    December 13th, 2007 | 20:07

    You all forgot that when u uninstall IE many other NON-MS appz will stop working correctly ;/
    Personally I don’t use IE – I’m just having it for the appz which uses it.
    About Firefox and add-ons – use Mozilla SeaMonkey and u will not have to install any add-ons.
    I once installed Opera and browser is fine but finding some widgets that I wanted was much more difficult than on FF.
    Opera owners make one thing wrong – started as pay software – this is why now FF is most popular not-bundled browser on the market ;)
    We all have own choice so use it ;)

  81. MacG
    December 13th, 2007 | 20:07

    Like this is going to have any effect, on the other side, if it was Oprah complaining about MS all hell would break loose

  82. Atlas
    December 13th, 2007 | 20:08

    I love how the EU is deconstructing windows. What will be attacked next, messenger? Maybe DirectX ? Notepad?

  83. What's halo 3?
    December 13th, 2007 | 20:29

    I’m not a huge MS fan but come off it the Opera stance is a joke. “We are filing this complaint on behalf of all consumers who are tired of having a monopolist make choices for them,” said Jon von Tetzchner, the chief executive of Opera.” I chose Firefox, no monopolist chose for me or said I couldn’t. Sheesh, as if we’re all clueless lambs that exclusively dance to the tune of MS. I will at least credit Gates for having the smarts to license his OS to all and sundry. Had Apple done the same two decades ago, instead of being so elitist, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

  84. bo_3li_h
    December 13th, 2007 | 20:31

    If Opera is complaining about microsoft , why they don’t create a fukin New OS so then can bundle thier own sh!t inside ??

  85. EMZ
    December 13th, 2007 | 20:49

    I believe @88 & @89 is the same guy ?

    spreading trojans or just some stupid software to increase your rapidshare account credit?

  86. Jam
    December 13th, 2007 | 20:59

    «Another thing is that better for stability and less frustatration when simple program like IE and WMP come with the system, it works better and if there is a problem you go to one guy, not three different people pointing the finger at the other guy, ie opera to microsoft then to your ISP back to opera then to security software then to microsoft.»

    That’s not “stability”, that’s monopoly.

    For the ones complaining that no one goes after Apple… well, they don’t have a monopoly in anything they produce. They may sell more mp3 players than anyone else, but that doesn’t make a monopoly.

  87. thedank
    December 13th, 2007 | 21:01

    opera isnt THAT great, definately better than IE though. i dont see why they care that much.

  88. Joe
    December 13th, 2007 | 21:49

    I’m a Opera user for a long time, but i don’t agree with the Norwegian company, almost every OS have a browser installed by default, so why M$ can’t offer IE?
    http://www.opera.com

  89. mupet0000
    December 13th, 2007 | 22:03

    Dont unbundle IE, that would be a bad thing. How would we get on the internet in the first place to download opera or firefox without ie..

    Gah, microsoft should be able to do what they want, no one likes rivals and they shouldnt have to move for them.

  90. AMERICA SUCKS
    December 13th, 2007 | 22:13

    All american businesses are criminals it is as easy as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  91. cirithungol
    December 13th, 2007 | 22:20

    Wait one second…. Microsoft actually has a Monopoly Policy?

    Maybe if Opera didn’t suck so much ass people would use it.

  92. Shiznit
    December 13th, 2007 | 22:51

    @17.

    Opera is 100% free, you moron!

  93. MAXp0wr
    December 13th, 2007 | 22:56

    M$ Can bundle whatever the hell they like in their OS.
    It’s theirs.

  94. aritdan
    December 13th, 2007 | 23:04

    This is one reason why i’m not going to use Opera. Now they are only bullying the one who has the most market share.

    http://www.e-janco.com/browser.htm

    It’s not like you don’t have the choice to change browsers. I use firefox. I used opera but i don’t really like it.

  95. PaNNaP
    December 13th, 2007 | 23:09

    I thought it said “Oprah attacks Microsoft’s monopoly policy”
    When i first just glanced at it, but as i read on….i realized O_O

  96. CajuCLC
    December 13th, 2007 | 23:42

    Let`s sue Apple and Ubuntu, kubuntu, etc…
    People are jealous of other people`s sucess…
    wtf…

  97. geetard
    December 13th, 2007 | 23:44

    Go Opera!

  98. Johno
    December 14th, 2007 | 00:15

    @ 22 Fatburger

    You must be a mac-hater and/or a completely biased moron. Has the thought ever occurred to you that because Microsoft was founded and there were no competitors the first year or so that APPLE was founded to be it’s competitor?

    APPLE was created to stimulate competition with MICROSOFT.
    Not the way you’re telling everyone. Which is, “Apple Inc. has it’s own computer and they came out of nowhere and they built their own OS and they won’t let anyone touch their OS blah blah blah. They’re a monopoly.” You fking twat.

    That’s the same thing as you saying that a chef who created his own special sauce for his pasta is being monopolistic because he isn’t sharing the recipe with his competitors next door. Why don’t we just sue the chefs for keeping their sauce exclusive to their own restaurant. He, THE CHEF, created it HIMSELF so he is entitled to keeping it for himself so long as every other business in corporate America doesn’t go bankrupt.

    That’s why there’s mac and linux. To compete with windows.
    Please, if you’re going to think to yourself that you’ve got down an argument think outside that little box of yours.

  99. open
    December 14th, 2007 | 00:38

    OperaTor is the best. im behind great china firewall. OperaTor lets me go around all that, full anonymity, you can install it in your flash drive and use it anywhere. dont have install, just plug-in your flash drive. very useful.

    IE was better than Netscape. But yeah Firefox Modzilla is better than IE now. I use all 3. all of them have their up and downs.

  100. Not Stupid
    December 14th, 2007 | 00:43

    LOL @ comment #15

    And I use both Firefox AND Opera. Whenever FF seems to “crash” on me I use Opera. I stay away from IE. Even on Linux I use FF & Opera.

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