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New law will disconnect internet pirates in UK

Posted on 13.02.2008 at 10:11 in Tech News by Martin

Internet users who illegally download music and films could lose their access to the web under legislation aimed at cracking down on those who flout piracy laws. Powers being drafted by the government will compel internet service providers to take action against customers who access pirated material. The Department of Media, Culture and Sport will recommend the plan in a green paper on the creative industries to be published this month, a source with knowledge of the paper said. Under the new sanctions users will face a “three strikes” regime. A warning email will be sent for the first offence, followed by suspension from the service and finally termination of the internet contract.

A draft copy of the green paper said the government “will move to legislate to require internet service providers to take action on illegal file-sharing,” although it has yet to decide if information on offenders should be shared between the ISPs, the Times reported. The government has come under increasing pressure from the music and film industries to penalise users who download pirated files. Although piracy is illegal, prosecutions are rare. The UK’s four largest internet providers – BT, Tiscali, Orange and Virgin Media – are already in talks with studios on a joint voluntary agreement to share information on web violators. But under the legislation they could be forced to cut off customers. ISPs which fail to enforce the rules could face prosecution, and suspected customers handed over to the courts. Similar laws already exist in many countries but ISPs hardly disconnect someone, as they get money from such a user. This law could easily change everything…

Source: Guardian 

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  1. thirdman
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:13

    So BT cancel my broadband. So I cancel my entire contract, ie Telephone line rental, call charges etc., I use cable instead maybe. Cost to BT would amount to approximately thirty five pounds a month in lost business. Even if just a thousand people did the same the company would begin to panic at losing nearly half a million a year, and you can be sure it would be a damn sight more than just a thousand customers.

  2. QuadrupelQ
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:14

    “New law will disconnect internet pirates in UK”

    This is a total BS title. There isn’t any law, just a proposal (green paper). EU regulations won’t allow this proposal becoming a law, and the ISPs are all against it. They are just negotiating to calm the industry.

    Taking freedom away is a very hard thing to do, except maybe in the US and UK (just yell terrorism). But just in case, download while you can!

  3. godfella
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:19

    @80 sorry if i offended you in any way, i wasnt trying to slander anyone. It just crossed my mind that they had a huge problems with crimes in which are children involved. ” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6974587.stm ” This is the thing that i based my data on- i was wrong, but not so much- “In 1997, the government lowered the age children were presumed to know the difference between right and wrong from 14 to 10.” So they are persecuted… For example here in Czech Republic, you are not persecuted for crimes that you commit till you are 15. Then 15-17 is some juvenile courts. And then at 18 you are fully responsible for your actions. And i dont think that long term solution to crimes that are done by children is just lowering the age of responsibility. I guess what i was trying to say is: Its strange to cast guilt on every 10-13 year old kid, isnt it more logical to persecute his parents? Its this kind of mentality i wanned to point out… (please excuse my grammar)

  4. supertoke
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:20

    Sadly I live in the uk and have watched mindless politicians turn this toilet into a police state. Im not surprised by this latest piece of news, what surprises me is why the people let the bXstards get away with, something to think about come the next elections perhaps.

  5. Dave
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:21

    This isn’t definite It’s just warning us at the minute. Personally I think internet providers will stand to lose a lot of money on extra workforce and disconnected customers. How would this benefit the service provider if this did go through ? surely this will only put strain on the already crap internet customer support team. Tiscalli will take most of the internet business if it does go through as they provide unlimited downloads but slow download speeds during peak hours. Where can i find higher cap internet providers because tiscalli has terrible customer support and other options need to be explored ?

  6. Dzajo
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:28

    Hi UK
    OK people i think somebody must write somethink about , the encyption optoin in the torrent clients. Becouse if you use this option your internet provider will receeve somethink like this:
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    Normaly your provider receev this:
    d8:announce69:http://p2p.arenabg.com:2710/84e5890fb9568d517b35b56eee25b373/announce10:created by13:uTorrent/176013:creation datei1200819034e8:encoding5:UTF-84:infod5:filesld6:lengthi3451153e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow29:1975 – Rainbow back front.jpgeed6:lengthi3046974e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow30:1975 – Rainbow booklet 0-1.jpgeed6:lengthi2972206e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow32:1975 – Rainbow booklet 10-11.jpgeed6:lengthi2919277e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow31:1975 – Rainbow booklet 12-0.jpgeed6:lengthi3206054e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow30:1975 – Rainbow booklet 2-3.jpgeed6:lengthi2828946e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow30:1975 – Rainbow booklet 4-5.jpgeed6:lengthi2984193e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow30:1975 – Rainbow booklet 6-7.jpgeed6:lengthi2985626e4:pathl34:1975 – Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow30:1975 – Rainbow…………………..
    It’s not imposible for them to decript the informacion, but they will need too much resurces and too much time, to do that, for one user. And imagine if the half of the P2P Comunity start to use it.

    i think somebody must write one post about that

  7. mupet0000
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:30

    What are they going to do against my 128 bit SSL encrypted downloads eh…

  8. fokal
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:35

    Do we have a ‘Pirate Party’ in the UK? If we don’t, now’s the time we probably should. Hey, just copy all the policies of the currently most popular UK government, add in our own pro piracy laws and if it’s true we have 6 million downloaders here in the UK, we should win…. right? ;)

  9. liamuk
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:35

    we just rename all our files :)

  10. none
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:37

    lol there ya go again martin with more LATE disinfo, dont you think the headline should read “maybe” instead, last year on bbc news i heard of a green paper to change the name of “Christmas” to something not so religious doesnt mean its gonna happen, its just a idea on someones behalf, exactly the same as this, its just someones idea, and your going on likes its a deffinate, reminds me of your crappy qtrax artlicle where you hadnt bothered to research properly , perhaps you should stick to posting about pirated goods rather than trying to tell the news , which you do so poorly at

  11. none
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:43

    Here ya go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_paper seeing as i know you dont know what it means

    a green paper is the equivalent of me doing this:-
    Martins a DumbFuk and should be banned from telling news
    /Discuss

  12. Nevosuk
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:46

    Hope Rapidshare is not affected!! Also will they be able to monitor Limewire or programs like that??

  13. videos4u
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:48

    Heres the video for this story
    http://rapidshare.com/files/91463325/C4_News_Internet_Piracy.avi.html
    enjoy

  14. leighdegree
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:51

    is there any program to hide our details so they cant track us?

  15. probs
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:51

    This is an old story now, its been around for a few days, just surprised its taken this long to end up on rlslog. This is a green paper, not law, it needs to be discussed and passed through Parliament which will take some time, and even then I doubt this version will get passed. I think only the heaviest downloaders will suffer as its impossible to monitor every single internet account, and that happens at the moment anyway through “fair use policies”, this is just another step.

    If you get cut off, would you not just be able to sign up with another ISP?

  16. Mc Bain
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:54

    Stupid english people…. they have queen

  17. dobiaas
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:58

    the funny thing is that now he will face more charges if he ever gets cought!

  18. Piers
    February 13th, 2008 | 13:58

    No!!! PLEASE RICHARD BRANSON DONT DO IT!

    I believe this idea will never come into play as too many internet moochers will continuley download off other peoples wireless connections!

    Hoorah for wireless!

  19. mashed
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:01

    Crap and nonsense. We deserve to get caught because we are breaking the law, including me. Don’t give me these pathetic facile platitudes saying yeah, yeah, cd’s and dvd’s are too expensive and yeah I’ll buy them if they weren’t so much. Tosh! We download because it’s FREE! Because we can get something for nothing. Because, at the moment, we can get away with it. If this is stopped than go and cry in your nappies and get a reality check. We steal, we don’t deserve sympathy.

  20. Preacher
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:03

    All this will do is piss off a lot of voters.

  21. Taki
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:10

    U.S puppets!

  22. Gr00vE
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:14

    If they can do this with harmless music and movies, why the hell can’t they do it for child porn surfers and terrorists on a more global scale?

  23. neil
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:20

    out gov suck in the UK, I wish they could find better things to do with the overpaid time then come up with stupid ideas oh and reduce tax on UK fuel

  24. Blackeyedbearhawk
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:21

    From Torrentfreak:

    1. This proposal was a draft consultation green paper, defined as “a proposal without any commitment to action.” The government receives many of these on a daily basis. They are like junk mail at Number 10 Downing Street. The Prime Minister’s toilet paper is more important than most green papers, and both are usually filed in the same place.

    2. This proposal is totally and completely unworkable in the real world. ISPs will not accept liability for the contents of packets (nor should they), and it would be impossible for them to open and check if every single download and upload was legal or not without the entire Internet grinding to halt. This isn’t in the best interests of the government, the ISPs or the voters. Banning customers and exposing yourself to billions in liability isn’t a good business strategy. Criminalizing six million citizens and inconveniencing the rest is not a vote winner.

    3. It would be impossible to tell the difference between illegal downloading and legal activities such as downloading software patches, using torrents to share stuff legally, playing online video games, using VoIP, photo sharing, telecommuting, and many others. The resistance from the private sector would be as strong as it would from the general public.

    4. The very idea of this goes against the ruling of the European Court, which says EU member states are not obligated to disclose personal information about suspected file sharers. It would also fly in the face of Article 10 of the European freedom of expression laws, which gives every European the “freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.”

    5. WiFi piggybacking and encrypted packets make it impossible to tell who is downloading what in the first place. These techniques are only getting more sophisticated, while for the most part, the content industries collectively remain as dumb as a box of hair.

    It’s never going to happen…..

  25. neil
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:22

    @123

    if google have the power in China to stop people accessing various sites then it can be done

  26. AGAG
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:25

    And so another nazi regime is born

  27. pj
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:27

    i live in the UK

    im sure there is a law which stops ISPs from looking at what content a user is looking at

  28. nobody
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:28

    Bureaucracy in Greece would NEVER make such a plan feasible, hahahahahahaha!

  29. polski londynczyk
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:28

    i wont to go to uk

  30. bunkkker
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:32

    why shut the lines down to uk customers,when they can try stopping the sites providing the files in the first place??if its there 4 free your gonna grab it!!its human nature!!everyone is just gonna hammer the sites even more then until they get there second strike.all their doing is making things worse and telling everyone about them in the media aint helping not everyone with a internet connection knows how to open most of these file let alone download them lol!!bring it on i say!!!

  31. Tony Blair
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:34

    This wouldn’t have happened while I was in charge, I can tell you!

    I’m now off to watch my copy of “The Queen” which I’ve just downloaded. It’s Cherrie’s favourite film!

  32. La
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:36

    The film and music indusrty make billions and will make even more if the ban comes in! STOP wasting your time on guys who wana watch Rambo or Cloverfield Cam??? Go after the Pedos, Terrorist and stop wasting UK money on stupid things like this. I get so angry with things like this, we will have no privacy anymore, but the guys who bum little kids can continue to murder and bum! PATHETIC MR BROWN, BRING BACK TONY BLAIR or EVEN GIVE US ARNIE

  33. getreal
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:37

    First this not gonna work, the Internet industry won’t stand for it they stand to lose millions of $ from lost customers if they terminate everyone who downloads a song or movie. And you can bet some provider is not gonna do it and will swoop in to get these new customers. Just another scare tactic.

  34. Ksawery
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:41

    I live in the UK but I don’t give a F*** cause I get all form sharing services.

  35. The Deviant
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:48

    @109 We have the monster raving looney party… I’m sure they could be convinced to back file shareing (if they don’t already).

    I believe if this passes, all we have to do is take it to the european court and the law’s screwed anyway. Viva La Europe!

  36. tomwal
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:48

    @120 take it then you wont be downloading anymore as you have taken the moral high ground, get a reality check yerself dumarse.

  37. bobajob
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:52

    British media at its best. The only reason 4 this report is exactly what its done create histeria among those who dont know any better

  38. HAHAHAHAHA
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:54

    PPL DON’T BE SCARED IT WONT HAPPEN EVEN IF IT DOES THERE WILL BE SOFTWARE THAT WILL HIDE YOUR IP (I THINK THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE)
    BUT IT WONT HAPPEN………………….

    NO PIRATES = NO INTERNET

  39. The Deviant
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:55

    @140 I think that’s media in general… And histeria they have not created, most people don’t give a damn as they know it’s all bs anyway. Only histeria on our media atm is “Teens are killing everyone”

  40. McTavish
    February 13th, 2008 | 14:55

    This will never happen.

    It’s meant as a deterrent rather than a punishment as such – the idea is that you get your second warning and think “oh noes I better stop downloading pirated material!”. Problem is, very few people actually would stop (probably only those downloading stuff from work) and it would hurt the industry too much to cut them all off. It would also reduce productivity and economic activity of the nation as a whole, and nobody wants that.

  41. loopa
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:01

    when will they finally accept that they have lost their “war” against piracy…all they can do is slow it down a little. They should devote their money/time to finding new distribution methods/marketing etc…

  42. bobajob
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:07

    @142 i agree it is killer teens (like its new (clockwork orange anyone lol) at the min and this was just a filler item. but to many people believe these things (it must be true it was on the news)

  43. kv0703x5
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:22

    I doubt they are able to track what a user is downloading from rapidshare, for instance if the file is encrypted hardly.
    Tough rapidshare is not the best thing out there, some other hosts should be used :)

  44. ted
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:30

    this is a war they aint gonna win,come what may.sorry uk guyz better get me your rapidshare accounts.

  45. Armstrong14
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:30

    Yeah, well if this happens in the UK, how long ’till the rest of the world kicks into gear? :O

  46. sybull
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:32

    The only reason for this article is beacuse all the politician download software and films and since at the moment nothing much is happening that announced this so they could carry on logging onto RLSLOG and brighten up what is rather a dry spell at the moment (unless this is due to maVen, who is actually in the witness protection program, snitching on all the scenes members in return for time out of jail !)

    Once there is another wacve of good releases, this will be forgotten as they are all to busy getting thier 14 year old kids to download the latest films for them.

  47. catbeef
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:34

    This is next to IMPOSSIBLE to enforce. There are so many ways to get pirated content, unless someone invents super-intelligent AI in the next few years, it aint gona happen.

  48. anon
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:37

    @103
    oh the EU wont allow it hey, what do u think is going on in France at the moment? oh whats that, YES they are part of the EU!!

  49. Snaggletooth
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:39

    So piracy loses the country millions? Hmm, well, lets say this really did become a uk law. First thing we’d all do would be reduce our internet connections to the cheapest and slowest available. Why bother with that premium rate hi speed line anymore? So theres millions lost in a totally new area. A redirected loss if u will. Then, job cuts in the ISP employment sector would be a major blow to people and the families involved. And what about the sale of large HDDs? Blank media? Multi-media players etc?

  50. Notn4
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:43

    this is STUPID!
    the people behind this r getting desperate :D it’s noticable…
    not long till piracy wins the battle :P SWEET! and didn’t Canada already give up? not long and other countries will do to!

  51. FullCycle
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:48

    This is a real interesting development for a number of reasons. Firstly being in the UK, 2 of my friends have been sued in the past 6 months for downloading torrents that have been ‘tagged’ and imho a 3 strike type ban sounds much better than being sued.

    I think it is in the studio’s interests for us to see their products and for them to get recognision for their product, but they need to make sure their creative writers get recognision and pay aswell. atm alot of power has gone to the adverrtisers and not to the studios.

    Its interesting to see all these ideas come out as the technology for archtecture is starting to come into the affordable price range for the industry and the federal govnment is giving financial incentives to get SOA systems off the ground.

    Personally I hate adverts, I am glad to see tham get banned in france (not sure if they got fully banned or what tbh.) I think I pay enough for what I watch though my TV license and giganews subscription, only the money i pay dosnt usually reach the product makers and creative forces.

    I think it is inevitabale that everything online gets monitored, covert or overt dosnt really matter, it does effect out behavior though. IPv6 will come into the mainstream in a couple of years and its likly that technology will get tied to the fast connections (at least 100Mbit/s) needed to deliver full raster, full colour video using high level codecs. Right now, the incentives to move to ‘legal’ subscription based servies are just being put in place.

    I think I would like to see more choice when that comes around though to be able to select wether I want to pay and have my subscription divided up between service providers and program makers on a ratio of how I have rated or % I have watched there products, or wether I want to be tight and be bombarded with adverts.

    All in all, I believe p2p services carry a security risk, that why I dont like them being used on my network, I prefer fast direct secure connections, which im willing to pay for.
    One thing is for sure, its gonna be an interesting few years watching all this develop see if the industry try and entice or scare the p2p community.

    -Dan

  52. Name
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:49

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uENqtT5AP_w

  53. laird
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:55

    even if they went ahead with it all everybody has to do is install a random isp changing program then you are untracable

  54. LOL
    February 13th, 2008 | 15:59

    LOL

    they will see what happens if this does get passed!

    Its not going to happen because “everybody” d/l

    Even my mum d/loads albums from TPB ROFL

    :D

  55. mrquiteaguy
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:19

    I think at the end of the day,all parties will sit down and work out a deal.
    E.g. ISP Providers pay a royalty for the media content downloaded.They in turn charging their customers but done in a way that they get faster broadband speeds for the increased price.
    Otherwise its a big fight between ISPS,the Entertainment industry,politicians and Internet users.
    Could be one nasty serious fight.
    Who knows the outcome.

  56. liamuk
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:22

    @117….we aleast we can speak it.
    you need some lessons!

  57. Sep0h
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:27

    Well that same thing is happening in the US. FBI has a program out to seek ip’s on bit torrent or any other program similar to downloaded pirated music or movies.They catch yout ip somehow when your on the site trying to download. Comcast has disconnected me and explained to me what programs were used to dl movies with and even what movies i have on my computer. They gave me a warning to remove all movies and remove bittorrent from my computer then they would turn my internet back on.. To and extent it is legal on the other hand they have hacked into my personal info and read, and explained to me what was on my desktop. Pretty much invasion of privacy.

  58. YeahRight
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:31

    I’m thinking some of you are going to be yelling “Don’t they know they’ve lost the war on piracy?” even as they haul your basement dwelling bums off to jail.

    Demonoid? Gone. maVen? On the run. Canada and The UK? Making the US look pirate-friendly by comparison.

    Seems to me a lot of you seriously need to re-evaluate who exactly it is that’s losing in this war on piracy.

  59. rubarb
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:35

    clam

  60. rubarb
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:36

    god save us from this fat ugly man

  61. klark kent
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:38

    for years I’ve listened to snoot over how the “DMAC ain’t gonna happen to us!!”

    Suck it down boys, big money runs your country too!

  62. rubarb
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:44

    the only freedom we have in this damn country is to decide which toilet paper we use to wipe george bushes arse after he has taken a s**t.

    as for democracy, who elected the FAT, SWEATY, GORMLESS,UGLY, BLUNDERING GORDON “JOCK” BROWN anyway. can someone please answer me that question.

    I hope you drown in your own sweat jock brown. now im off to download the whole carry on collection (must be over 40 gigs) just to make a point. will also be uploading 12 gigs of louis theroux. wanna join me?

    “KILL THE POLICE STATE”

  63. doogie
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:47

    @166 we put the labour party in doesn’t matter who the leader happens to be.

    As for the news, ain’t gonna happen, don’t worry bout it.

  64. Toufas
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:47

    how do you clone your virgin media modem?

  65. gaz
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:48

    i saw a comment about using rar files to solve the problem, how about this some email providers let u send a fair size rar file so torrent sites could set up a new way of gettin us to email the film we want and then them sendin us files. it would never work but its an option, probably be too much brainwork for even computers to be sendin out email file to everyone.

  66. Rigsby420
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:52

    Heard it all before, any tech heads clear up what diffrence a SSL Usenet connection makes ?

  67. karuro
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:52

    so every isp provider will hire someone to monitor every packets in their bandwidth 24/7?…then who’ll monitor the the one who is monitoring the monitor..hahaha

  68. Dude...
    February 13th, 2008 | 16:54

    @topic

    No, it wont.

  69. GRiM
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:04

    http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloaders-will-not-face-uk-ban-080212/

  70. McPutters
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:05

    @158. Nice advert. Hope you got a nice commission. Now f*ck off.

    I love this country. Yes we have problems, but they’re WAY less serious than alot of countries.

    Stealing/cloning your neighbours IP doesn’t sound fair to me, if you’re caught take it like a man (or woman). Don’t pass the misery on. Ripping off some massive corporation can be seen as ’sticking it to the man’, but ripping off the man in the street will always be seen as wrong in the eyes of the general public.

    I doubt this paper will come to anything, but if it does I’m sure someone will find a way around it. And if they don’t, well, we’ve had a good run.

  71. Rorschach
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:09

    Who’s watching the Watchmen?

  72. Warflike
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:12

    I’ve lived in the UK on twice, five years in total, and I can say that the UK is one of the most fascist countries in the world. The only people who don’t know how that their country is ran by cheap, third world dictators are the Brits themselves. Sad but true and this ‘Green paper’ just shows it. True, it’s only a green paper but how many green papers have made it to law? Do a little research. The UK has the most camera’s in the world and that started as a green paper too, so did the Nazi powers of the social services and the mighty powers of the police and government. Green papers do make it to law and they are to be feared. Maybe not today but they might in the future.

    Do not underestimate the zealousness of the British government. They believe they do things for the good of the people, that’s why the UK is a disaster. Debt has gone up hugely, public health is one of the worst in the world (as many managers as there are nurses), public schools are the worst in Europe and 75% of the UK are on anti depressants.

    Watch your government, soon they will dictate to you what you wear and what you don’t wear!!!

  73. terry
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:16

    guys simple thing to do is start phoning your internet companys and telling them if this law goes threw u will be closing your account with them if you get alot of people to do that in the uk from now you will put the fear in them and iam sure all the internet companys will not back this law start phoning as soom as possible make a paniac from now

  74. x0054
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:21

    Unfortunatly Cox Communication in USA already does this. None of the others do. Cox looks at the ports you open and scans traffic on those ports and close your connection and turn off your service. It’s happening here on a corporate level, not a law, but it may happen in UK. That’s simply horrible. If this becomes a problem I am getting a hosted blade server on a backbone and funaling all my traffic through that.

  75. harvey
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:34

    nice way to get out of my 2 year contract and keep my lappy

  76. david
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:48

    if it does ever happen in the U.S as long as we have peer guardian then we still could download right?

  77. Milly Tent
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:56

    @Warflike Britain a fascist country lol heheh.. Based on what?

    A rumour?

  78. DaLoon
    February 13th, 2008 | 17:57

    i am with La stop the pedos films an terrorists things like that

  79. Beinstein
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:23

    the uk did inhuman things before (not talking about colonization) and got away with it: Criminal Justice Bill in 1994! :|

  80. captainkremmen
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:28

    hahahahaha. 1. This would go against the UKs fairly strict privacy and data protection laws. 2. This would be against the European Human Rights act. 3. ISPs do not have the money, nor the inclination to police this. 4. ISPs know this would be virtually impossible and have already said so, it is pure scaremongering by the media and government to try and get us to toe the line.

    It’s true the UK is currently the most spied on nation on earth with CCTV on almost every street corner but I would still rather live here than anywhere else.

    As for those people saying “glad I dont live in the UK” well, it’s just as bad if not worse in many countries. In the US every book you hire from a library is logged and passed on to the authorities for example. You better not be a muslim immigrant doing a thesis on middle eastern politics and the rise of muslim extremism. Lend a few books on terrorism from your local library and you can expect a visit from the men in black and a visit to cuba!. The city of NY alone still has many more murders each month than the whole of the UK experiences in a year.

    Australia is also enacting legislation to control what Australian citizens can see or read on the web, designed to be kid friendly but who decides what you can, and cannot have access to?.. oh yes, your government.

    And the best reason to be from the UK, we’re not French :-)

  81. adro
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:31

    i heard this will become an international law forcing the isps to check for torrents traffic… i live in costa rica and some friends told they had a warning by the isp because downloading with torrents.

    Hop theres a way around as always someone will find it

  82. RIAA
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:32

    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-riaa-boss-spyware-could-solve-the-encryption-problem.html

  83. doogie
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:35

    @captainkremmen

    you tell em!

    I liked that post. We are most definitely not French :-)

  84. Mark
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:42

    right. so everyone download as much illegal stuff as you can so they’ll give up trying!

  85. Wing Commander Welby
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:50

    UK DECAY….free country?….joke! :(

  86. jonah
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:55

    I think people in Britian should download more than ever, if you have friends who don’t download anything, encourage them to start using p2p. This will make it impossible for the film and music industry to do anything, as you can’t deny the majority of the country from accessing the internet, and you can’t put the whole country in jail lol

  87. rh
    February 13th, 2008 | 18:58

    “file sharing” is illegal in the UK – this is purely because the law says that “distributing” copywritten material is against the copywrite agreement therefore illegal.
    It is NOT however illegal to download copywritten material. So as long as good decent folk are putting up links for adrive, yastorage, rapidshare etc then the UK users can rest assured. Please note that all legal proceedings against “file sharers” have stated that it is the “distribution” of the files which was the part deemed illegal. Buy a rapidshare account and continue to enjoy!

  88. RetiredPilot
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:03

    @174 McPutters How will I get comission for a Crack program? I think your mind is infested with MRSA. And stop shouting I love UK! I love UK! When more than 90% of people in UK spend holiday outside UK and BBC survey more than half of the population want to retired outside UK. Fact!and I nearly forgot FU** OFF TOO!

  89. rh
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:03

    the idea of encouraging more people to p2p to make the music/film industries “give up” is a bit naive.
    They will carry on prosecuting and the government will acknowledge the need for ISPs to sign over all ip logging information.

    You will just end up with your friends and family annoyed at you after their internet connection gets cut off and they get a nasty letter through the door.

    The only way to change the inevitable is encourage the set up of offshore servers for direct download access. The few countries remaining who allow the distribution of copywritten content will enjoy supplying the masses probably through the emergence of subscription based sites

  90. jonah
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:10

    @177 stop talking nonsense “75% on antidepressants”, you must be on crack, I don’t even know where to begin as nearly everything you said is wrong. Britain is a great country, look at other european countries like France, Spain and Germany with their very high unemployment rates and stagnant economies for example, that is truly depressing.

  91. McPutters
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:22

    @193 Infected with MRSA? Hmm, yeah…

    Yeah most people holiday abroad (we don’t exactly have the most reliable weather), but the all return here. And as for the BBC’s survey, if you asked most people you’d get the same result. Whether most people questioned would actually do it is another thing. Surely if you’re gonna emigrate you’d do it when you were young. Most people think the grass is greener etc. but how many people who emigrate decide it’s not for them (whatever country they’re from). As they say, home is where the heart is.

    As for the ad, I’ll give you that. My bag. I just hate people pushing software on forums such as this.

  92. GeorgeEtte
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:27

    This kind of thing could never happen in the US.

    The UK needs to move back towards capitalism and away from this socialism that has taken over their country.

  93. EddieB
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:30

    @mashed

    What does this word mean in your comment: “Tosh”?

  94. Stephen Hawkin
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:36

    @198. Tosh = Crap/Rubbish/B*llocks/Bu!!sh!t etc

  95. pIZZA FACE
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:41

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0

    Land of the free…….. My arse.

    The only ‘western nation’ with the death penalty, the nation with the most draconian laws in the world, the nation that actually spies on its closest allies (Menwith hill).

    Oh and no National health care program.

    Dear me, and the most enforced web censorship rules in the western hemisphere.

  96. WujouMao
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:43

    it does kinda piss you off this is coming to an end with downloaded stuff, but it was also illegal to record TV shows onto your VHS. its also illgeal to record from the radio. if its illeal to record from the tv onto your VHS or DVD player, why invent such a thing? ok, so music companys are strssing that they are losing money, Hollywood is getting narky ocs its films are being download, not to mention its tv series, but what about programs thats not from UK/usa?

    i like many others watch asian drama. thats not hurting hollywood, so we should be able to continue

  97. pIZZA FACE
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:44

    A rumour of proposed laws which the USA is pushing and lobbying for makes Britain a fascist dictatorship.

    Is there anyone over the age of 15 on this site?

  98. Nancy
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:48

    The British people need to realize that there are more aspects to life than government supplied healthcare.

    You people need to depend less on your government and more on yourselves. Now you are seeing the results of what happnes when you let your government have such total control over its people.

    The government in the UK supplies not only your healthcare and education, but even your television programming! Can you people do anything on your own?? And now you are upset that they want to control your internet? YOu people blew it by giving them control in the first place!

  99. stimpy
    February 13th, 2008 | 19:58

    @pIZZA FACE

    these laws don’t exist in the US, so don’t blame the US for lack of control the british people have over their government.

    you crazy brits dont even know is ruling you anymore, you’ve got lords and ministers and kings and queens, its ridiculous already.

    even france changed their system to one with a president.

  100. rogue system
    February 13th, 2008 | 20:00

    i totally agree with you nancy and to be honest wonder how the fu*k the labour goverment came into power in the first place,labour muppets who couldnt organise a pis* up in a brewery let alone run the country and as for the comments about the french at least they have the backbone to stand up against something that they believe in.

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