New law will disconnect internet pirates in UK
Internet users who illegally download music and films could lose their access to the web under legislation aimed at cracking down on those who flout piracy laws. Powers being drafted by the government will compel internet service providers to take action against customers who access pirated material. The Department of Media, Culture and Sport will recommend the plan in a green paper on the creative industries to be published this month, a source with knowledge of the paper said. Under the new sanctions users will face a “three strikes” regime. A warning email will be sent for the first offence, followed by suspension from the service and finally termination of the internet contract.
A draft copy of the green paper said the government “will move to legislate to require internet service providers to take action on illegal file-sharing,” although it has yet to decide if information on offenders should be shared between the ISPs, the Times reported. The government has come under increasing pressure from the music and film industries to penalise users who download pirated files. Although piracy is illegal, prosecutions are rare. The UK’s four largest internet providers – BT, Tiscali, Orange and Virgin Media – are already in talks with studios on a joint voluntary agreement to share information on web violators. But under the legislation they could be forced to cut off customers. ISPs which fail to enforce the rules could face prosecution, and suspected customers handed over to the courts. Similar laws already exist in many countries but ISPs hardly disconnect someone, as they get money from such a user. This law could easily change everything…
Source: Guardian
Comments(276)
I’m glad I ain’t in the UK
i have to admit thats good because at least they don’t come and arrest them first!;)
noooooooooo!
oh damn we are next on the ban list
I am so gladdy that so little live in this god’s forsaken country =D
HAhaha that sucks for people living in the UK lol
As far as ive heard this proposal will never happen. If it does ive lost all hope in humanity…
this is stupid , if they want to do these things,
first , they should oblige the musicians and cinema’s to reduce thier prices instead of making billions from us.
i wonder how much they took these people whi is working on these laws took from them.
this is going to stop nobody
Theres always a way round it.
This sucks. Not like capping my net is enough.
Wait, how will they catch me….
thats the SCARY part.
i wish i didnt this country gets worse by the month
human rights? privacity? oh damn… im glat too im not living in the UK…
so they check .rar files also………….lol
Thank god for cloned modems.
Dont worry people! This is pie in the sky and wont happen. EEC law wont give the go ahead for something like this – it infringes on an individuals human rights. And as the WWW & net become increasingly part of human existance it becomes even more inhumane to ban someone from accessing it.
It WONT happen. Not for piracy anyway. Maybe if you took down a nations economic infrastructure with a virus or something spectacular. But for downloading the latest cam of Cloverfield? Get real!!
There is always a way to by pass things like that.
for example, rar up the files and password it, and luckily Winrar already done the favor of allow you to password the file + encrypt file names. lol.
that’s bad! i guess you have to find someone’s unprotected wlan connection when uploading/downloading stuff
When will they stop taking their marching orders from terrorist? (MPAA/RIAA)
Whtether or not this law matters depends upon how they determine internet piracy. If ISP’s are required to monitor their customers internet usage then everyone is screwed and given the poor privacy laws of the UK this is possible. I see no other way to accurately determine whether people are engaging in internet piracy.
What might happen is that ISPS ban all the heavy bandwidth users for ‘piracy’. People who chew up bandwidth cost ISPS’s money so they may use this new law to get rid of them.
Without piracy, the ISP’s have no justification, and they won’t exist. I bet the huge companies would love that ^^
if ((internet) == (sharing) & (!piracy) == (!internet))
find another way to continue sharing;
else
printf(”stupid!!!\n”);
Nooooooooooooooo!!!!
I hope you guys are right and that it is un-workable
This law is unrealistic, it would be nearly impossible to enforce and even harder to maintain.
Drawing the line would be very difficult let alone distinguishing what is acceptable, what isn’t, and the amount of resources it would take to maintain it.
Yeah, UK is very strict and strange country. On one side everything is working great and everyone likes each other, but it so diverse. And then bang, you are going to find ultra aggressive people. The kids are responsible for their crimes at ridiculous age (it may vary in the UK but its like 8-11 years i think). extremists rule England
– if they dont want smoke in their favorite restaurant, they just create a law, that prohibits the Owner of a public restaurant to smoke there 
which is ludicrous. Or when I was there I was looking on the news and there was a problem that on some government web site there was a link to a escort service (oh my got what a problem). And they gave a word to a woman that looked like a witch 55-65years old and she was saying: ” The solution is easy ” – we have to annihilate
all escort services and make prostitution illegal.
I think that movie Children of Men got it quite accurately.
Well, now we all know that this isn’t going to happen. No ISP has the resources to monitor every customers internets traffic.
But, in case this would happen (it won’t happen), then i would be glas i don’t live in the UK.
Even if EU allowed this, there always would be workarounds, albeit making the fileshare a little more difficult. I can see how a measure like this could be defeated using encripted/restricted DC++ or some other analog technology, along encripting the files and not providing information about them in the same channel.
That and paid anonym proxies.
Oh snap, too bad for UK =( glad i live in norway hopefully there will never be such law.
5 Reasons Why Illegal Downloaders Will Not Face a UK Ban
http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloaders-will-not-face-uk-ban-080212/
@8: in almost all cases (at least with the big labels) it’s not the musicians that make their cd’s expensive, it’s the recordcompanies. Look at what Radiohead could do without a major company pushing the prices.
1. This proposal was a draft consultation green paper, defined as “a proposal without any commitment to action.” The government receives many of these on a daily basis. They are like junk mail at Number 10 Downing Street. The Prime Minister’s toilet paper is more important than most green papers, and both are usually filed in the same place.
Well u can by any dvd or game in Turkey for 2 dolars each, anywhere u go illegal copy of anything is available to everyone
if u get caught ;
Buyer: No fine
Seller: 8600 dolars fine
i buy dvd copies of the movies before they come on theatre,
pie in the sky scaremongering!! it will never happen due to human rights legistlation and also with wifi hijacking prevalent its actually impossible to prove that any individual actually commited the crime.
all the news channels covered this in the uk yesterday and every expert agrees it will never happen so lets stop touting this nonsense story as the end of the world-its another stupid idea that is totally unenforceable!
glad im stealing the wifi
This sucks! Downloading films is the only reason for broadband internet. People should start attacking uk government websites if this becomes law.
Is there any way to get around this? to hide your ISP number?
Gordon Brown blows, he is the worst leader and as dull as a post.
hehe
They will have to find us first, i wont get banned, the person who’s modem mac i am using will get banned.
Like santa says….hohoho
ok, so i’m living in the UK, this sucks! though i can’t imagine it would be really strictly inforced.
i heard they were going to do something like this in france – did it ever happen?
please post another news article if anything new happens on this topic
For those that say this won’t ever happen in the EEC (its EU now BTW), look what’s HAPPENED in France. Last time I looked they were in the EU.
Its just an idea, the technicalities haven’t been worked out yet. If you encrypt your downloads or just download from newsgroups you most likely leave no evidence.
How the ISPs will catch you is still a big question, in order to filter traffic they will need to set up some kind of infrastructure. I’m sure the ISPs are not goingt to pay for that. (ISPs are already very competitive in the UK)Also there are so many ifs surrounding this draft paper, what if you share your wireless connection? like the BT scheme to share wireless access among BT users. Who is going to be banned? Its one of those stupid things that will not get off the ground, but we need to be vigilent. You can probably guess who thought of this idiotic idea.
Anyways, any ISP that will give my details alway, I’ll just not use them. Most downloaders probably don’t use the major ISPs, reason being that they have incredibly bad service. (so I’ve heard in the UK forums and friends that used to use their services)
This invasion in civil liberties is bad. UK is already the most CCTV surveyed country in the world. Makes me think of the Zeitgeist movie…
I wonder if the presidential election in the US will bring change, corporations have too much influence in governments. Wonder if Obama gets elected president, will he reign in the corporations? Reign in the RIAAs and the MPAAs? I hope so.
I’m in the UK and love downloading, I work but have no way near enough money to live and to buy all these over priced films and games! If actors can get paid multi millions to simply star in a film, why are we supposed to support their over luxurious lifestyle!
Freedom of information I say! companies will still make large profits even if we download! Many enthusiasts will still go out and buy the product even tho they can DL it for free! Its all money and greed!
I say lets take them down! F**K’EM!
anybody ever read 1984?
doesnt sound so sinister now does it!
i live in the uk and i want to move ASAP
Anyone here a lawyer that can give us a good idea?
Give me a break 6 million downloaders in the uk banned by there internet service providers not a chance.So there going to Feck over there customers are they now that makes a whole lot of scense.So we can see major corporate profits drop emensly thats what will happen.The goverment never think anything through in this country thats why the countrys in the state its in.I don’t really give a Sh!t if i loose all internet service providers i get richer while they get poorer get it up ye gordon brown.
Why not stop illegal activities as deplorable as pedophilia and the such.
Priorities are screwed up.
I sincerely hope this doesn’t happen, BUT I think about HIPS packs (sellers hate them, buyers ignore them, the industry hates them) and they’re here. Not so sure this won’t come about in some shape or form in due course.
Just responding to the comments like “I’m glad I live somewhere else” or “glad I don’t live in the UK” or “Glad I’m using someone elses internet”. Guys, you need to look at the bigger picture. You don’t want these idiots to set a precedent because it may spread to your country… we all need to be careful when these **** try to take our freedom…
Torrents yeah……
But surely rapidshare won’t be affected.. cos its just rar files. They can’t stop you downloading anonymous files from the internet.
Well, lets see.
The ISP has to monitor every single packet of data, unless im mistaken and the ISPS are remotely watching us through the internet.
How can you figure out which packet of data is legal and which isnt. There is plenty of legal file sharing, e.g. BBC iPlayer, nasa programs i remember used Bittorrent sometimes for programs. What about television streaming such as Sopcast, TVU player, TVants.
Its far too much to control and they should look at cutting the cost of a DVD to £7. Tesco and Morrisons are already doing that. You can buy ratatouille for £8 this week. Thats a bargain when you compare the outrageous £14.99 that HMV want.
CD’s. Cut the price to £4.99 and ill buy it. If that happened, every week i would happily buy a new album (if i liked it).
Fans are always going to go to Gigs, so, money is coming in from there. Im all for banning those who make money from it, who sell the copy on.
I dont see the harm in downloading an album of an artist to see if i like it or not. Why should i take the risk of spending £10 on utter crap when i check it first, and then go buy it.
The Uk government needs to get their act together. Stop passing out peoples benefit details, and crack down on “real criminals”.
Find it amazing that in the UK, its not illegal for an under 18 year to drink alcohol (its illegal for an under 18 year old to be sold it), but yet its illegal to download a music album.
Time to get their priorities sorted….
http://phoenixlabs.org/
maby ”Peer Guardian” can solve the problem ?
Heads Up:
Penumbra: Black Plague-HATRED is out.
Now that bull*beep*!!
I got a ADMiN in UK on my site lol
i live in the uk, and isp’s have admited this wouold be virtually impossible to enforce, cos they aint got the technology to enforce it proper. it will be a case of if your a heavy downloader you’l get a warning an it will be up to you to prove you aint downloading anything illigal, this country sucks, its gettin more like george orwells 1984 every day
they have a 3 strike rule with cox communications for illegally downloading copyrighted material…..if they catch you. After the third strike they drop you as a customer and you must find a new ISP. And thats in the U.S.
Maybe they should change the country’s name to the United Kingdom of North Korea?
Man don’t you guys have any privacy anymore? Are they going to monitor everything you do on the internet? The internet is a FREE realm, and it should remain a FREE realm as long as you pay for the service.
Why aren’t they spending more time capturing pedophiles, and criminals who are active on the net?
I actually think that the new law, is in conflict with European privacy laws.
Come all in Romania, here is 100% free.No problem yet.
What else would I use my Broadband for, the reason I pay for speed and huge download limit would no longer exist. I wouldnt need much to send emails cause thats all that would be left to do. The serice provides would go out of business. I wouldnt need my computer, I would see the sun again.
Glad I ain’t in the UK. With all the identity theft and now this banning access if caught dlin a song. Your country sucks
hard. Yes I agree now England, next Austraila.
Some providers do have an interest though…
Sky Broadband is owned by News Corp…… who owns 20th Century Fox. BSKYB, Fox Television, part of ITV, Myspace Records…. so they would want to curb ‘illegal’ downloads.
They own thr rights to the simpsons, lost, prison break and tons of films.
If they do this, then I shall counter it by cracking my neighbour’s WEP keys and doing all my illegal downloading there instead!
I must be crazy, I still buy the Dvds and my favourite Tv box sets. I just like to watch them first a try before buy scheme. I no longer own a video recorder to tape my shows while Im elswhere. So isnt taping or copying movies and shows from TV the same.
@Martin
It isn’t a law, and probably never will be.
So why are you making people think they will get in trouble with your stupid headline?
Even if it did become law then I can just encrypt and then there’s no problem.
So why spread lies Martin?
The smaller companies of service providers would be affected by the ban the bigger companies would just rub thier hands together with glee.
bring it on!!! I DARE YOU MR BROWN!!!!!
Its not a law, just a green paper, also anybody who has read anything properly on this would know that the ISPs ar not in favour of it and would prefer self regulation as opposed to legislation. There are approximately 6 million people who download illegally in the UK, its impossible to track such a high proportion of internet users, I can’t see this happening.
Its pretty much a non story.
i moved back to the uk from germany where i had been living for 5 years and now wonder what ive come back to this country has gone to pot drastically
It’s just unenforceable scaremongering from the tabloid press and the morons that pander to it (MP’s) and I’m surprised at how much coverage this is getting.
Simple fix. Movies are the bandwidth hogs. Just get your movies from streaming sites that don’t offer downloads and get yourself a program that lets you download streaming videos and you got yourself a movie. Your not connected to a torrent site. Download your programs and music from site’s that offer rar or zip files and who the hell will know the difference. You can also use a proxy site to give yourself anonymity. Every other country can still use torrent sites but the UK will just use streaming sites for movies. You get what you want and the fight goes on.
Downloaders are happy and Hollywood still gets the finger. One way or another they still get their revenue. They still make money anyway because they are still charging us for bandwidth and that service isn’t free. They always find a way to make money off of entertainment. In the end the user always pays.
i hope this would never happen, and i’m pretty sure it will never happen because it breks down a basic human right:PRIVACY.Suposing that this happen , the ISP will banckupt because no one is going to pay for a high bandwidth just to check his email
A spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association has already been quoted as saying that this is unworkable and a breach of data protection laws. Stating that even if they could monitor and all traffic and identify it, it would be the equivelent of the Post Office opening every envelope that passes through it’s office.
I don’t think we need to worry too much.
http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloaders-will-not-face-uk-ban-080212/
^ that was posted back at No.30
emil you know our politicians are stupid they don’t know about such things even if now we are in the E.U ,but they are also U.S sclaves and if such an order will be given they will make it a low.Of course Rds,or Upc can by bypassed and we will find ways to download without many problems.,butdon’t be glad it isn’t beeing discussed in our country.The way i see it it will have more chances of beeing a law here than in the U.K where people still have a word to say about it.
in Serbia and other balkan states pirates will never be stoped
Got alot of friends in US and afew in norway, and i can honestly say i wouldnt wanna live anywhere else i love the Uk. This sucks reading this but like all government legislations it will either fade away or never happen. Plus they will not go after the bees but will close down the honeypots:) if they ever were get medieval on us. Downloading has helped me in many ways ,changed my life over the years.. lil changes lol. Yeh Uk has got alota cameras , big brother 1984 ..paranoia etc etc .. rather have lots of them then guns tho.. Uk is kool in my books:) F*k this law
I’m French and this Green paper is based on a French decision (directed by M. Olivennes french director of FNAC) which was made to fight against piracy.I can told you that almost everybody in France a re against this kind of measures and a lot of french will be likely in favor of what we call “licence globale”.(In brief it is the fact to pay to your internet provider a forfait,so as to pay all the artists and get rid of the author’s rights problem)
It aint gonna happen. Do you really think they are gonna disconnect practically everyone who uses the internet? Practically everyone I know from all walks of life and ages downloads some music etc.
They would lose millions
A question guys, with a premium account, if you download from rapidshare, is it secure? I mean is it using https? Because in that case i think we will be safe from ISPs spying on us
The ISP’s have likened pin-pointing such illegal activites as difficult as the Royal Mail would find opening every letter sent to check it’s contents, virtually impossible. The green paper proposal submitted will take an estinmated six years to investigate, so there’s no real danger just yet.
@26 as in most countries, children under the age of 18 are defined and trialled as a minor in the UK (except in Scotland where the age is 16) – try and get your facts right when you’re slandering another country, otherwise one sounds ignorant
@30 Brilliant article, made me giggle
@42 I agree wholly, I would be more likely to hire a DVD and pay to go to the cinema if it looked like actors worked for a living, their lavish Hollywood lifestyle is simply ridiculous and proves that they earn far too much for (what is is comparison) very little work.
hahaha…glad i’m not in ukay…
I wish there was something I could do to help this not happen, like join a pirate party, but I haven’t heard of one in England :/
It may not seam it but people in the UK are just as heavily under surveillance as the people in US, its disgusting, there is no privacy anymore. Im glad they cant really ban my internet, not using torrents and having over 30 people at least having access to the router I am using.
doesn’t protocol encryption hide the fact that ur downloading illegally anyway?
So they will be able to distinguish between a rared download of a Linux ISO & a rared copy of Rambo ?
to do that they will have to open every rared file that is downloaded in UK…
It will be the same as it is now, they receive a letter from the alphabet gang & they respond with an email to you telling you to stop doing it, all they are trying to do is impose a penalty that doesnt really exsist yet, no different from any other laws when you get caught, trick is dont get caught !!
This is such bullshiot. They are kidding themselves if they think they are going to be able to enforce this properly. Ha what a joke.
Its like the WAR ON DRUGS…no matter how hard they try; they will never win.
I’m gonna go seed all my DVD’s now. : )
-Unbreakable /Bmore
Funny things about this filesharing thing.
It really boils down to fear of progress and as always thoose who adapt survive.Byebye music&film industry as we know it.The sullotions to this fear remains moore or less the same remember the cassette tape taxes in the late 60ies.
The owners of this industri and the owners of the companies that supplies us with the means to fileshare are for the most part the same.
I Was first to break this news
uk isp’s sell their product on speed. What??? on how fast you can send an e-mail
@87 no u weren’t
@83 Grant..”doesn’t protocol encryption hide the fact that ur downloading illegally anyway?”
it would seem not Im traffic shaped on British Telecom
if I download a Linux ISO it comes down full speed download Rambo (as an example) speed drops to about 40kb
This country and government suck big time, (UK) the government should be dealing with murderers, rapists and paedophiles, the streets of Britain are no longer safe, you read about murders carried out in the street every day, what do these animals get, molly coddled and a slap on the wrist, the priorities are all wrong, legislation for downloaders, my ARSE as Jim Royal would say.
Oh my… I’m not from UK but I have my fingers crossed so that doesn’t happen, but I think that is quite hard to monitor p2p download, and of course we will find a way around.
Or, maybe, the Motion Picture Association will manage to shut down Internet….yeah right
Living the UK this is a bit worrying.The Government seem to like to pass laws that will help big business then they supposedly get more tax ..But if you go onto the BBC site there are a couple of interviews and articles that may be of some interest..Mind you the British press love to scare monger..There must be some genius out there who will find a programme to find a way round it ..Anyone know would this also affect those who sing up to news groups where you pay per month for downloads would they also be illegal iff the worst happened
so glad I am not in the uk
i live nxt door to the uk and when they succeed in passing sumthing our gov usual take light and follow
even if the law is passed .. it wount stop many people ..as mentioned.. many ways around it.
Already done in France :/
i agree with #41…ssl encrypted newsgroups/usenet downloading would be just fine…the isp could see you got traffic etc but cant tell what you’re downloading…also i guess people could just share rar files that are called something else than the movie/game etc
[URL=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/02/13/do1307.xml] Can Gordon Brown catch online pirates?[/URL]
hahaha
your saying my isp is gonna throw away 30-40 pounds a month
for the package ive got wih them,no there too greedy
people who pay for an internet connection are demented.
at all times there are free highspeed wifi connection beaming through your room. some without protection, many with wep which can easily be cracked.
i havent paid for internet for 3 years now *waves*
So BT cancel my broadband. So I cancel my entire contract, ie Telephone line rental, call charges etc., I use cable instead maybe. Cost to BT would amount to approximately thirty five pounds a month in lost business. Even if just a thousand people did the same the company would begin to panic at losing nearly half a million a year, and you can be sure it would be a damn sight more than just a thousand customers.
“New law will disconnect internet pirates in UK”
This is a total BS title. There isn’t any law, just a proposal (green paper). EU regulations won’t allow this proposal becoming a law, and the ISPs are all against it. They are just negotiating to calm the industry.
Taking freedom away is a very hard thing to do, except maybe in the US and UK (just yell terrorism). But just in case, download while you can!
@80 sorry if i offended you in any way, i wasnt trying to slander anyone. It just crossed my mind that they had a huge problems with crimes in which are children involved. ” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6974587.stm ” This is the thing that i based my data on- i was wrong, but not so much- “In 1997, the government lowered the age children were presumed to know the difference between right and wrong from 14 to 10.” So they are persecuted… For example here in Czech Republic, you are not persecuted for crimes that you commit till you are 15. Then 15-17 is some juvenile courts. And then at 18 you are fully responsible for your actions. And i dont think that long term solution to crimes that are done by children is just lowering the age of responsibility. I guess what i was trying to say is: Its strange to cast guilt on every 10-13 year old kid, isnt it more logical to persecute his parents? Its this kind of mentality i wanned to point out… (please excuse my grammar)
Sadly I live in the uk and have watched mindless politicians turn this toilet into a police state. Im not surprised by this latest piece of news, what surprises me is why the people let the bXstards get away with, something to think about come the next elections perhaps.
This isn’t definite It’s just warning us at the minute. Personally I think internet providers will stand to lose a lot of money on extra workforce and disconnected customers. How would this benefit the service provider if this did go through ? surely this will only put strain on the already crap internet customer support team. Tiscalli will take most of the internet business if it does go through as they provide unlimited downloads but slow download speeds during peak hours. Where can i find higher cap internet providers because tiscalli has terrible customer support and other options need to be explored ?
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It’s not imposible for them to decript the informacion, but they will need too much resurces and too much time, to do that, for one user. And imagine if the half of the P2P Comunity start to use it.
i think somebody must write one post about that
What are they going to do against my 128 bit SSL encrypted downloads eh…
Do we have a ‘Pirate Party’ in the UK? If we don’t, now’s the time we probably should. Hey, just copy all the policies of the currently most popular UK government, add in our own pro piracy laws and if it’s true we have 6 million downloaders here in the UK, we should win…. right?
we just rename all our files
lol there ya go again martin with more LATE disinfo, dont you think the headline should read “maybe” instead, last year on bbc news i heard of a green paper to change the name of “Christmas” to something not so religious doesnt mean its gonna happen, its just a idea on someones behalf, exactly the same as this, its just someones idea, and your going on likes its a deffinate, reminds me of your crappy qtrax artlicle where you hadnt bothered to research properly , perhaps you should stick to posting about pirated goods rather than trying to tell the news , which you do so poorly at
Here ya go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_paper seeing as i know you dont know what it means
a green paper is the equivalent of me doing this:-
Martins a DumbFuk and should be banned from telling news
/Discuss
Hope Rapidshare is not affected!! Also will they be able to monitor Limewire or programs like that??
Heres the video for this story
http://rapidshare.com/files/91463325/C4_News_Internet_Piracy.avi.html
enjoy
is there any program to hide our details so they cant track us?
This is an old story now, its been around for a few days, just surprised its taken this long to end up on rlslog. This is a green paper, not law, it needs to be discussed and passed through Parliament which will take some time, and even then I doubt this version will get passed. I think only the heaviest downloaders will suffer as its impossible to monitor every single internet account, and that happens at the moment anyway through “fair use policies”, this is just another step.
If you get cut off, would you not just be able to sign up with another ISP?
Stupid english people…. they have queen
the funny thing is that now he will face more charges if he ever gets cought!
No!!! PLEASE RICHARD BRANSON DONT DO IT!
I believe this idea will never come into play as too many internet moochers will continuley download off other peoples wireless connections!
Hoorah for wireless!
Crap and nonsense. We deserve to get caught because we are breaking the law, including me. Don’t give me these pathetic facile platitudes saying yeah, yeah, cd’s and dvd’s are too expensive and yeah I’ll buy them if they weren’t so much. Tosh! We download because it’s FREE! Because we can get something for nothing. Because, at the moment, we can get away with it. If this is stopped than go and cry in your nappies and get a reality check. We steal, we don’t deserve sympathy.
All this will do is piss off a lot of voters.
U.S puppets!
If they can do this with harmless music and movies, why the hell can’t they do it for child porn surfers and terrorists on a more global scale?
out gov suck in the UK, I wish they could find better things to do with the overpaid time then come up with stupid ideas oh and reduce tax on UK fuel
From Torrentfreak:
1. This proposal was a draft consultation green paper, defined as “a proposal without any commitment to action.” The government receives many of these on a daily basis. They are like junk mail at Number 10 Downing Street. The Prime Minister’s toilet paper is more important than most green papers, and both are usually filed in the same place.
2. This proposal is totally and completely unworkable in the real world. ISPs will not accept liability for the contents of packets (nor should they), and it would be impossible for them to open and check if every single download and upload was legal or not without the entire Internet grinding to halt. This isn’t in the best interests of the government, the ISPs or the voters. Banning customers and exposing yourself to billions in liability isn’t a good business strategy. Criminalizing six million citizens and inconveniencing the rest is not a vote winner.
3. It would be impossible to tell the difference between illegal downloading and legal activities such as downloading software patches, using torrents to share stuff legally, playing online video games, using VoIP, photo sharing, telecommuting, and many others. The resistance from the private sector would be as strong as it would from the general public.
4. The very idea of this goes against the ruling of the European Court, which says EU member states are not obligated to disclose personal information about suspected file sharers. It would also fly in the face of Article 10 of the European freedom of expression laws, which gives every European the “freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.”
5. WiFi piggybacking and encrypted packets make it impossible to tell who is downloading what in the first place. These techniques are only getting more sophisticated, while for the most part, the content industries collectively remain as dumb as a box of hair.
It’s never going to happen…..
@123
if google have the power in China to stop people accessing various sites then it can be done
And so another nazi regime is born
i live in the UK
im sure there is a law which stops ISPs from looking at what content a user is looking at
Bureaucracy in Greece would NEVER make such a plan feasible, hahahahahahaha!
i wont to go to uk
why shut the lines down to uk customers,when they can try stopping the sites providing the files in the first place??if its there 4 free your gonna grab it!!its human nature!!everyone is just gonna hammer the sites even more then until they get there second strike.all their doing is making things worse and telling everyone about them in the media aint helping not everyone with a internet connection knows how to open most of these file let alone download them lol!!bring it on i say!!!
This wouldn’t have happened while I was in charge, I can tell you!
I’m now off to watch my copy of “The Queen” which I’ve just downloaded. It’s Cherrie’s favourite film!
The film and music indusrty make billions and will make even more if the ban comes in! STOP wasting your time on guys who wana watch Rambo or Cloverfield Cam??? Go after the Pedos, Terrorist and stop wasting UK money on stupid things like this. I get so angry with things like this, we will have no privacy anymore, but the guys who bum little kids can continue to murder and bum! PATHETIC MR BROWN, BRING BACK TONY BLAIR or EVEN GIVE US ARNIE
First this not gonna work, the Internet industry won’t stand for it they stand to lose millions of $ from lost customers if they terminate everyone who downloads a song or movie. And you can bet some provider is not gonna do it and will swoop in to get these new customers. Just another scare tactic.
I live in the UK but I don’t give a F*** cause I get all form sharing services.
@109 We have the monster raving looney party… I’m sure they could be convinced to back file shareing (if they don’t already).
I believe if this passes, all we have to do is take it to the european court and the law’s screwed anyway. Viva La Europe!
@120 take it then you wont be downloading anymore as you have taken the moral high ground, get a reality check yerself dumarse.
British media at its best. The only reason 4 this report is exactly what its done create histeria among those who dont know any better
PPL DON’T BE SCARED IT WONT HAPPEN EVEN IF IT DOES THERE WILL BE SOFTWARE THAT WILL HIDE YOUR IP (I THINK THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE)
BUT IT WONT HAPPEN………………….
NO PIRATES = NO INTERNET
@140 I think that’s media in general… And histeria they have not created, most people don’t give a damn as they know it’s all bs anyway. Only histeria on our media atm is “Teens are killing everyone”
This will never happen.
It’s meant as a deterrent rather than a punishment as such – the idea is that you get your second warning and think “oh noes I better stop downloading pirated material!”. Problem is, very few people actually would stop (probably only those downloading stuff from work) and it would hurt the industry too much to cut them all off. It would also reduce productivity and economic activity of the nation as a whole, and nobody wants that.
when will they finally accept that they have lost their “war” against piracy…all they can do is slow it down a little. They should devote their money/time to finding new distribution methods/marketing etc…
@142 i agree it is killer teens (like its new (clockwork orange anyone lol) at the min and this was just a filler item. but to many people believe these things (it must be true it was on the news)
I doubt they are able to track what a user is downloading from rapidshare, for instance if the file is encrypted hardly.
Tough rapidshare is not the best thing out there, some other hosts should be used
this is a war they aint gonna win,come what may.sorry uk guyz better get me your rapidshare accounts.
Yeah, well if this happens in the UK, how long ’till the rest of the world kicks into gear? :O
The only reason for this article is beacuse all the politician download software and films and since at the moment nothing much is happening that announced this so they could carry on logging onto RLSLOG and brighten up what is rather a dry spell at the moment (unless this is due to maVen, who is actually in the witness protection program, snitching on all the scenes members in return for time out of jail !)
Once there is another wacve of good releases, this will be forgotten as they are all to busy getting thier 14 year old kids to download the latest films for them.
This is next to IMPOSSIBLE to enforce. There are so many ways to get pirated content, unless someone invents super-intelligent AI in the next few years, it aint gona happen.
@103
oh the EU wont allow it hey, what do u think is going on in France at the moment? oh whats that, YES they are part of the EU!!
So piracy loses the country millions? Hmm, well, lets say this really did become a uk law. First thing we’d all do would be reduce our internet connections to the cheapest and slowest available. Why bother with that premium rate hi speed line anymore? So theres millions lost in a totally new area. A redirected loss if u will. Then, job cuts in the ISP employment sector would be a major blow to people and the families involved. And what about the sale of large HDDs? Blank media? Multi-media players etc?
this is STUPID!
it’s noticable…
SWEET! and didn’t Canada already give up? not long and other countries will do to!
the people behind this r getting desperate
not long till piracy wins the battle
This is a real interesting development for a number of reasons. Firstly being in the UK, 2 of my friends have been sued in the past 6 months for downloading torrents that have been ‘tagged’ and imho a 3 strike type ban sounds much better than being sued.
I think it is in the studio’s interests for us to see their products and for them to get recognision for their product, but they need to make sure their creative writers get recognision and pay aswell. atm alot of power has gone to the adverrtisers and not to the studios.
Its interesting to see all these ideas come out as the technology for archtecture is starting to come into the affordable price range for the industry and the federal govnment is giving financial incentives to get SOA systems off the ground.
Personally I hate adverts, I am glad to see tham get banned in france (not sure if they got fully banned or what tbh.) I think I pay enough for what I watch though my TV license and giganews subscription, only the money i pay dosnt usually reach the product makers and creative forces.
I think it is inevitabale that everything online gets monitored, covert or overt dosnt really matter, it does effect out behavior though. IPv6 will come into the mainstream in a couple of years and its likly that technology will get tied to the fast connections (at least 100Mbit/s) needed to deliver full raster, full colour video using high level codecs. Right now, the incentives to move to ‘legal’ subscription based servies are just being put in place.
I think I would like to see more choice when that comes around though to be able to select wether I want to pay and have my subscription divided up between service providers and program makers on a ratio of how I have rated or % I have watched there products, or wether I want to be tight and be bombarded with adverts.
All in all, I believe p2p services carry a security risk, that why I dont like them being used on my network, I prefer fast direct secure connections, which im willing to pay for.
One thing is for sure, its gonna be an interesting few years watching all this develop see if the industry try and entice or scare the p2p community.
-Dan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uENqtT5AP_w
even if they went ahead with it all everybody has to do is install a random isp changing program then you are untracable
LOL
they will see what happens if this does get passed!
Its not going to happen because “everybody” d/l
Even my mum d/loads albums from TPB ROFL
I think at the end of the day,all parties will sit down and work out a deal.
E.g. ISP Providers pay a royalty for the media content downloaded.They in turn charging their customers but done in a way that they get faster broadband speeds for the increased price.
Otherwise its a big fight between ISPS,the Entertainment industry,politicians and Internet users.
Could be one nasty serious fight.
Who knows the outcome.
@117….we aleast we can speak it.
you need some lessons!
Well that same thing is happening in the US. FBI has a program out to seek ip’s on bit torrent or any other program similar to downloaded pirated music or movies.They catch yout ip somehow when your on the site trying to download. Comcast has disconnected me and explained to me what programs were used to dl movies with and even what movies i have on my computer. They gave me a warning to remove all movies and remove bittorrent from my computer then they would turn my internet back on.. To and extent it is legal on the other hand they have hacked into my personal info and read, and explained to me what was on my desktop. Pretty much invasion of privacy.
I’m thinking some of you are going to be yelling “Don’t they know they’ve lost the war on piracy?” even as they haul your basement dwelling bums off to jail.
Demonoid? Gone. maVen? On the run. Canada and The UK? Making the US look pirate-friendly by comparison.
Seems to me a lot of you seriously need to re-evaluate who exactly it is that’s losing in this war on piracy.
clam
god save us from this fat ugly man
for years I’ve listened to snoot over how the “DMAC ain’t gonna happen to us!!”
Suck it down boys, big money runs your country too!
the only freedom we have in this damn country is to decide which toilet paper we use to wipe george bushes arse after he has taken a s**t.
as for democracy, who elected the FAT, SWEATY, GORMLESS,UGLY, BLUNDERING GORDON “JOCK” BROWN anyway. can someone please answer me that question.
I hope you drown in your own sweat jock brown. now im off to download the whole carry on collection (must be over 40 gigs) just to make a point. will also be uploading 12 gigs of louis theroux. wanna join me?
“KILL THE POLICE STATE”
@166 we put the labour party in doesn’t matter who the leader happens to be.
As for the news, ain’t gonna happen, don’t worry bout it.
how do you clone your virgin media modem?
i saw a comment about using rar files to solve the problem, how about this some email providers let u send a fair size rar file so torrent sites could set up a new way of gettin us to email the film we want and then them sendin us files. it would never work but its an option, probably be too much brainwork for even computers to be sendin out email file to everyone.
Heard it all before, any tech heads clear up what diffrence a SSL Usenet connection makes ?
so every isp provider will hire someone to monitor every packets in their bandwidth 24/7?…then who’ll monitor the the one who is monitoring the monitor..hahaha
@topic
No, it wont.
http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloaders-will-not-face-uk-ban-080212/
@158. Nice advert. Hope you got a nice commission. Now f*ck off.
I love this country. Yes we have problems, but they’re WAY less serious than alot of countries.
Stealing/cloning your neighbours IP doesn’t sound fair to me, if you’re caught take it like a man (or woman). Don’t pass the misery on. Ripping off some massive corporation can be seen as ’sticking it to the man’, but ripping off the man in the street will always be seen as wrong in the eyes of the general public.
I doubt this paper will come to anything, but if it does I’m sure someone will find a way around it. And if they don’t, well, we’ve had a good run.
Who’s watching the Watchmen?
I’ve lived in the UK on twice, five years in total, and I can say that the UK is one of the most fascist countries in the world. The only people who don’t know how that their country is ran by cheap, third world dictators are the Brits themselves. Sad but true and this ‘Green paper’ just shows it. True, it’s only a green paper but how many green papers have made it to law? Do a little research. The UK has the most camera’s in the world and that started as a green paper too, so did the Nazi powers of the social services and the mighty powers of the police and government. Green papers do make it to law and they are to be feared. Maybe not today but they might in the future.
Do not underestimate the zealousness of the British government. They believe they do things for the good of the people, that’s why the UK is a disaster. Debt has gone up hugely, public health is one of the worst in the world (as many managers as there are nurses), public schools are the worst in Europe and 75% of the UK are on anti depressants.
Watch your government, soon they will dictate to you what you wear and what you don’t wear!!!
guys simple thing to do is start phoning your internet companys and telling them if this law goes threw u will be closing your account with them if you get alot of people to do that in the uk from now you will put the fear in them and iam sure all the internet companys will not back this law start phoning as soom as possible make a paniac from now
Unfortunatly Cox Communication in USA already does this. None of the others do. Cox looks at the ports you open and scans traffic on those ports and close your connection and turn off your service. It’s happening here on a corporate level, not a law, but it may happen in UK. That’s simply horrible. If this becomes a problem I am getting a hosted blade server on a backbone and funaling all my traffic through that.
nice way to get out of my 2 year contract and keep my lappy
if it does ever happen in the U.S as long as we have peer guardian then we still could download right?
@Warflike Britain a fascist country lol heheh.. Based on what?
A rumour?
i am with La stop the pedos films an terrorists things like that
the uk did inhuman things before (not talking about colonization) and got away with it: Criminal Justice Bill in 1994!
hahahahaha. 1. This would go against the UKs fairly strict privacy and data protection laws. 2. This would be against the European Human Rights act. 3. ISPs do not have the money, nor the inclination to police this. 4. ISPs know this would be virtually impossible and have already said so, it is pure scaremongering by the media and government to try and get us to toe the line.
It’s true the UK is currently the most spied on nation on earth with CCTV on almost every street corner but I would still rather live here than anywhere else.
As for those people saying “glad I dont live in the UK” well, it’s just as bad if not worse in many countries. In the US every book you hire from a library is logged and passed on to the authorities for example. You better not be a muslim immigrant doing a thesis on middle eastern politics and the rise of muslim extremism. Lend a few books on terrorism from your local library and you can expect a visit from the men in black and a visit to cuba!. The city of NY alone still has many more murders each month than the whole of the UK experiences in a year.
Australia is also enacting legislation to control what Australian citizens can see or read on the web, designed to be kid friendly but who decides what you can, and cannot have access to?.. oh yes, your government.
And the best reason to be from the UK, we’re not French
i heard this will become an international law forcing the isps to check for torrents traffic… i live in costa rica and some friends told they had a warning by the isp because downloading with torrents.
Hop theres a way around as always someone will find it
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-riaa-boss-spyware-could-solve-the-encryption-problem.html
@captainkremmen
you tell em!
I liked that post. We are most definitely not French
right. so everyone download as much illegal stuff as you can so they’ll give up trying!
UK DECAY….free country?….joke!
I think people in Britian should download more than ever, if you have friends who don’t download anything, encourage them to start using p2p. This will make it impossible for the film and music industry to do anything, as you can’t deny the majority of the country from accessing the internet, and you can’t put the whole country in jail lol
“file sharing” is illegal in the UK – this is purely because the law says that “distributing” copywritten material is against the copywrite agreement therefore illegal.
It is NOT however illegal to download copywritten material. So as long as good decent folk are putting up links for adrive, yastorage, rapidshare etc then the UK users can rest assured. Please note that all legal proceedings against “file sharers” have stated that it is the “distribution” of the files which was the part deemed illegal. Buy a rapidshare account and continue to enjoy!
@174 McPutters How will I get comission for a Crack program? I think your mind is infested with MRSA. And stop shouting I love UK! I love UK! When more than 90% of people in UK spend holiday outside UK and BBC survey more than half of the population want to retired outside UK. Fact!and I nearly forgot FU** OFF TOO!
the idea of encouraging more people to p2p to make the music/film industries “give up” is a bit naive.
They will carry on prosecuting and the government will acknowledge the need for ISPs to sign over all ip logging information.
You will just end up with your friends and family annoyed at you after their internet connection gets cut off and they get a nasty letter through the door.
The only way to change the inevitable is encourage the set up of offshore servers for direct download access. The few countries remaining who allow the distribution of copywritten content will enjoy supplying the masses probably through the emergence of subscription based sites
@177 stop talking nonsense “75% on antidepressants”, you must be on crack, I don’t even know where to begin as nearly everything you said is wrong. Britain is a great country, look at other european countries like France, Spain and Germany with their very high unemployment rates and stagnant economies for example, that is truly depressing.
@193 Infected with MRSA? Hmm, yeah…
Yeah most people holiday abroad (we don’t exactly have the most reliable weather), but the all return here. And as for the BBC’s survey, if you asked most people you’d get the same result. Whether most people questioned would actually do it is another thing. Surely if you’re gonna emigrate you’d do it when you were young. Most people think the grass is greener etc. but how many people who emigrate decide it’s not for them (whatever country they’re from). As they say, home is where the heart is.
As for the ad, I’ll give you that. My bag. I just hate people pushing software on forums such as this.
This kind of thing could never happen in the US.
The UK needs to move back towards capitalism and away from this socialism that has taken over their country.
@mashed
What does this word mean in your comment: “Tosh”?
@198. Tosh = Crap/Rubbish/B*llocks/Bu!!sh!t etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0
Land of the free…….. My arse.
The only ‘western nation’ with the death penalty, the nation with the most draconian laws in the world, the nation that actually spies on its closest allies (Menwith hill).
Oh and no National health care program.
Dear me, and the most enforced web censorship rules in the western hemisphere.
it does kinda piss you off this is coming to an end with downloaded stuff, but it was also illegal to record TV shows onto your VHS. its also illgeal to record from the radio. if its illeal to record from the tv onto your VHS or DVD player, why invent such a thing? ok, so music companys are strssing that they are losing money, Hollywood is getting narky ocs its films are being download, not to mention its tv series, but what about programs thats not from UK/usa?
i like many others watch asian drama. thats not hurting hollywood, so we should be able to continue
A rumour of proposed laws which the USA is pushing and lobbying for makes Britain a fascist dictatorship.
Is there anyone over the age of 15 on this site?
The British people need to realize that there are more aspects to life than government supplied healthcare.
You people need to depend less on your government and more on yourselves. Now you are seeing the results of what happnes when you let your government have such total control over its people.
The government in the UK supplies not only your healthcare and education, but even your television programming! Can you people do anything on your own?? And now you are upset that they want to control your internet? YOu people blew it by giving them control in the first place!
@pIZZA FACE
these laws don’t exist in the US, so don’t blame the US for lack of control the british people have over their government.
you crazy brits dont even know is ruling you anymore, you’ve got lords and ministers and kings and queens, its ridiculous already.
even france changed their system to one with a president.
i totally agree with you nancy and to be honest wonder how the fu*k the labour goverment came into power in the first place,labour muppets who couldnt organise a pis* up in a brewery let alone run the country and as for the comments about the french at least they have the backbone to stand up against something that they believe in.
@196 McPutters Im just kidding, the percentage is just a product of my mind, dont even know if BBC really made a survey. The fact is I live in London and I love it, not the weather of course. TAh!!!
lolo..like in the USA..who call themselves after the continent called ‘America’ without any sense of Irony..
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE A HUMAN RIGHT.
The US taxpayer pays more to subsidise ‘private healthcare’ than it costs to run the NHS, despite its problems. It is still the envy of the world.
The state is here to serve us.. And the majority lost that foolish notion of unquestioning ‘patriotism’ 60 years ago when we dismantled the capitalist empire, the biggest empire the world has ever seen. The empire the USA is trying to claim in the name of christianity, a perverted perception of democracy based on who has the most dollars, Shall I carry on?
Sheesh a Conservative republican using ’socialist’ file-sharing’ programs and software, and preaching…..
Oh teh Ironing
use a blocklist programme such as protowall and update it regularly using blocklist manager http://bluetack.co.uk … you’ll be amazed how many nasties try to connect to your computer if you use p2p. companies like safenet are paid by mpaa/riaa just to send out infringement letters to isp’s and collect settlement money on threat of lawsuit.
Who was it that ousted Thatcher the milk snatcher? .. was it people power?
Last time the US had people power, the government shot them.
@pIZZA FACE
FREE INTERNET SERVICE SHOULD BE A HUMAN RIGHT.
STEAK FOR DINNER EVERY NIGHT SHOULD BE A HUMAN RIGHT.
A PORSCHE IN EVERY DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE A HUMAN RIGHT.
Silly brits, you can’t dictate what people should have…they need to earn what they want. Welcome to the real world, stop depending on the state. Take care of yourself.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-riaa-boss-spyware-could-solve-the-encryption-problem.html
Who is the fella.. that wants to pre-install spyware and monitoring software on new CPU’s?
Who is Hollywood and youse trying to kid here.
There is a rumour of a yet to be seen ‘green paper’ which is only a proposal. Its not a white paper, and its not heading for the statute books soon.
Only in the USA have any file-shares ever been ‘prosecuted’
Britain has never prosecuted a file-sharer in a court of law..
@pIZZA FACE
What does this mean: “And the majority lost that foolish notion of unquestioning ‘patriotism’ 60 years ago when we dismantled the capitalist empire”
What changed in the UK 60 years ago?
We pay ‘national insurance’ and tax.. nothing is free ya muppet.
Our parents and Grandparents fought for the social security system and NHS we inherited.. some of whom paid with their lives fighting nazism during WWII.. the war the USA had to be dragged screaming and kicking into.
Remember?
Was it the end of the War Britain had fought in the name of FREEDOM since 1939?
@ 16 speks:
What is a “cloned modem”?
A modem with the MAC adress of another existing modem?
If so, how is this gonna help you? (since they will try to get you by your IP adress, be that static or dynamic)?
Though I assume that even though this will mean trouble for some random downloaders, there will be ways to avoid getting caught.
@pIZZA FACE
WW2? the war where we had to save your ass from the Nazi’s?
Is that the war you are referring to you silly muppet?
It is a shame a law like this can happen in the United Kingdom.
This is the land where democracy has ruled for years now, and yet, the people are losing their grasp over government.
lol.. you saved us..how where when?
Did you win the battle of Britain.. did you take Berlin..
Did you turn the war around in the Pacific.. or was it the Aussies.. was it you or the Canadians who escorted merchant shipping across the atlantic.
Sheeple ya are pure and simple..
“It is a shame a law like this can happen in the United Kingdom.”
What law?
Hey
Take me to task over this bu******, it hurts who, massive companies making billions of dollars, hey I want more cause I’m down to my last 100 trillion. F*** you,take me to court remove my internet. Someone will pass it on anyway.Sad Fu****s.
Long live the revolution.
I’m a UK resident, spare me for I live on an island full of goody-two-shoes.
Billybottkin
Yeah, take care of yourself (and essentially) f*ck everone else. This kind of thinking doesn’t breed a community, just people out for themselves. Which, unfortunately, is how the world seems to be progressing. If there is no community how then do we question Goverment without being blown off.
And as for the Goverment running our TV. WTF. Yeah the BBC has to answer to them, but they don’t tell them what to show. It’s supposed to be TV for the people. Educational, Entertaining and Informative catering to the masses and the minorities. And I think they do a fantastic job.
Maybe people could state they’re country of origin from now on so we can balance there arguments against the UK.
UK<—-
@pIZZA FACE
Now you are just being rude. You know the war wasn’t going so well for Britain before the US got involved. Do you know where the military supplies for Britain were coming from??
Let me tell you, the Americans weren’t hiding underground in train tunnels from neither the Nazis or the Japs.
Let me straight, It was Britain and the British commonwealth allies who
joined the war on your side.. Japan declared war on you.. so did Germany.
Britain and the commonwealth declared war on Japan in support of the USA.
Read a history book FFS.
@Baldrick
I don’t understand why there is such a huge difference in thinking between the US and the UK. It seems that people in the US think individuals are better equipped to accomplish things while people in the UK think government is better equipped to accomplish things.
Yet, around the world, people seem to fear and distrust government more and more…it would only make sense that people should want less government, not more.
Tell me what ‘individual’ ever achieved anything without the support of the people?
The people are the state.. the State serves the people..
40% of the British workforce works for the people payed by the peoples tax.
The United States ..lol
Free Hawaii
“The British people need to realize that there are more aspects to life than government supplied healthcare.”
And americans needs to realise there’s more to life than paranoia about your government.
“You people need to depend less on your government and more on yourselves. Now you are seeing the results of what happnes when you let your government have such total control over its people.”
We’re not. This is a government green paper. They get dozens of them a week, they’re meaningless.
“The government in the UK supplies not only your healthcare and education, but even your television programming! Can you people do anything on your own?? And now you are upset that they want to control your internet? YOu people blew it by giving them control in the first place!”
They don’t supply the television programming. The BBC is independent, and beholden only to the public watchdogs.
The fact that it is the single best TV service in the world is a direct result of not relying on corporate sponsorship for funding.
Peer Guardian is run by the goverments because some body tells you some thing do you beleve them they tell you it stops ip addresser think again it doesnt
Lol.. free accessable healthcare globally is an issue.. especially in the USA.
The BBC is funded by the people not the state.
Its motto is ’speak peace unto the nations’
Something the USA fails to do. Historically.
I just received an email from the rapidshare admin saying my account had been banned because i had downloaded over 20gigs of illegal material. Anyone else getting this email?
@Redem
“They don’t supply the television programming. The BBC is independent, and beholden only to the public watchdogs.”
Then tell me why there are no independent television channels in the UK besides BBC channels? Can a British citizen start up a TV channel and compete against the BBC channels? Does the BBC force everyone with a TV to pay them, or can the people choose not pay the BBC if they do not want to?
In the US, TV networks can not force the people to pay them.
@ monugs
Can you c+p the message header and delete you ‘email address’ ?
@224. The whole reason behind Goverment is to reflect the choices/morals of the people it serves. I don’t trust them completely, far from it. But they are there because a majority voted them in. It’s called democracy. I have nothing against individuals pushing themselves to succeed, but not at the expense of the community. No Goverment, no, I don’t like the sound of that. Then the people who shouted loudest, or fought the hardest would be the only ones heard. Then who would make the rules. The people with the most money. The likes of Bill Gates and the people/corporations OUR COMMUNITY are so busy fighting.
Anyway, I had my fill of this topic, I off to lose my internet access.
UK
@rlslog 6+7=13 I don’t care what your spam protection says.
The BBC is the ‘peoples channels’ and if you own a TELEVISION then you pay a fee.. because every television provider carries the bbc channels.. including Skye..
WE PAY FOR YOUR US BBC CHANNELS TOO!
How nice are we ah?
I’m offskis wid Baldrick..
“Then tell me why there are no independent television channels in the UK besides BBC channels? Can a British citizen start up a TV channel and compete against the BBC channels?”
Yes. They can, and some have. Especially with the new digital channels using a lot less of the broadcast signal, so it’s even easier now.
Of course it’s hard to compete with the BBC, so few try.
“Does the BBC force everyone with a TV to pay them, or can the people choose not pay the BBC if they do not want to?”
Anyone who owns a television is required to pay a nominal annual fee.
“In the US, TV networks can not force the people to pay them.”
None of them are public service stations, though. With a mandate to educate and inform.
“Then tell me why there are no independent television channels in the UK besides BBC channels?”
How about ITV (Independant TeleVision), Channel 4 and Five, plus no amount of digital channels.
ITV …C4 .. C4 FILM. Shall I go on.. there are lots of independent, advert funded channels in every region.
The BBC fund Welsh/Cymru, Scots/Irish Gaelic, and Cornish, Hindu/pakistani/Banglideshi even Nigerian/Zimbabwai language channels and programming too.. Would your USA free to air advert funded channels do that for your Native speaking or minority populations which you often ignore? Do your unfunded channels run such educational channels such as the ‘open university’ Do you run a ‘world service in many languages?
No? just Spanish I suppose aye?
@231 Pizza Face-
I’m not sure what you mean….can you elaborate?
@monugs. I believe pIZZA FACE was asking you to post you email from Rapidshare deleting any sensitive information e.g. your email address. Just saying you’ve recieved an email isn’t evidence that you have.
i think all downloaders should be worried.if/when this law happens to torrent users-and if it works theyll look at rapidshare and those other downloading sites and realise theres the same problems there.all hosting/serving illegal content for download.if this happens where will it end?
or do i misunderstand what these other sites are able to do.if safe do i have to pay?how much?do i have to keep my uploads goin ? is it worth it? can smeone answer these please. what about newsbin -is that torrent based? cause i aint got a clue.
id be lost without my download fix
i dont think it will ever happen but must admit freinds are keeping an eye on events as they unfold.hope to hear the news as it happens posted here.
Even if this came to Canada.
I use usenet and Megadownload.
Good luck on catching me!
megaupload >.>
surely theyd know if your using usenet or megadownload and what for.or am i naive.
but where would it stop. its supposedly illegal to put your music onto an ipod/mp3 unless you pay for it from a proper site even tho youve already brought the cd from a music store. its totally f***n mental.
Such a waste of paper and time. Instead of doing something worth-while, with the many problems in the UK and beyond, they waste their time with this crap. Haha, just trying to make pals with the movie and music industries…
why make dvd recorders?why make dvd/divx players?why make blank discs so cheap?why make/sell dvd burning software?why give it away with computer software bundles with a new pc? all these are made available for you cause companies know what most consumers want to do. they wanna record their fav film/program/music without payin for it.but they dont raid your home cause u recorded `house’ last night. will they take action against torrent users? hope not-but i dont think it can/will happen
yeah the isp will take down these english sheep-shaggers and northern monkeys. About time they cur off the limies for stealing and scrounging.
They haven’t heard of encrypting traffic?
Just which ISP will be stupid enough to cut off it own customers…
does ISP get tax return for doing so?…that’s a matter of law I believe.
If I shave me balls will I look 10 years younger?
The Times says I will.. bluddy newspapers
cry all you want now..This law is coming in USA…Don’t think so?? just wait till end of 2008…
People need to chill a bit, this is just a green paper, not an actual law, there will be many debates on this before it comes anywhere near becoming a law. Some of the stupid americans on here need to do some soul searching (There are a lot of smart americans so its not aimed at you guys lol) do some research and find out how many of your so called “politicians” read the Patriot Act before passing it through, great democracy. Hey also my government can’t spy on what books I read, your government can, maybe you guys should get your idea of freedom and democracy straight before commenting on other sovereign nations.
Nooooooo, I live in the uk and my internet provider is Tiscali. But they said this about 2 years ago and it never came to anything, plus with the millions of customers they have how will they single those out who are downloading. Hopefully it wont work and wont even happen. However if I do ever get a warning email I will stop downloading then cry.
no body has actually thought about this have they……
u just switch to encrypted connections. bang your done… no way they can tell what the hell you downloading.
giganews has been offering ssl connections for a long time… and yours truly has been using ssl
if it does happen it wont be long before p2p goes encrypted…. then the whole game starts again.
No wonder people left the UK to start America.
How do you people live with such a controlling government?? It sounds like they turning into communism in the UK, just like how China controls the internet for their people.
Well bit torrent already supports encryption with certain clients.
RC4 for everyone!!!
another case of cutting one’s nose of to spite your face, cutting internet access will push piracy underground, for one even hired films namely sony protection can be bypassed and they cant follow everyone to the stores they cant even keep kiddy gangs off the street from killing people , the law cant control real issues so they make crap up to take the highlight off serious subject’s.
Martin,
just wanted to say that this news is old… major newspapers surf blogs and spin the info. Forget mainstream media and tech issues. They are either hideously out of date or incorrect or biased. Ars Technica, Slashdot, Gizmodo. These link to the news sometimes weeks in advance of other sources.
Wednesday 6th February 2008
BT review could push up broadband prices 12:11PM, Wednesday 6th February 2008
A review of the way BT charges rivals for access to the local loop could lead to an increase in broadband fees.
The move comes as part of its consultation with Ofcom over concerns that Openreach, the independent division BT created to ensure operators had access to its network, is not meeting financial expectations.
“Openreach is allowed a 10% return and at the moment we’re not making that,” says a spokesperson for BT. “We need to find a way of ensuring that we make a certain level of return, whether that’s through pricing or finding new efficiencies. No specific proposals have been discussed – this is part of our ongoing consultation with Ofcom.”
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suggest this could lead to BT increasing its Local Loop Unbundling charges. However, Tiscali believes BT needs to look closer to home first.
“This review doesn’t necessarily mean any price increases are on the way. There’s an ongoing project to look at Openreach’s efficiency and the margins there, and you can’t talk about price increases without looking at that first,” says Jodi Haskayne, spokesperson for Tiscali.
Ofcom admits it’s looking at the situation, but claims that Openreach has been a success for all parties so far.
“We are in the process of reviewing these charges as part of our regular programme of regulation review,” says a spokesperson. “We are aware that BT has raised issues with respect to the expected future returns on the regulated products but note to date Openreach has achieved reasonable rates of returns on these services.”
It’s news like this that makes me feel that much better about living in Canada, Eh.
How the hell can they enforce this law? Just ban the people who download the most? It is just ridiculous, there’s no way to prove that you are downloading illegal stuff, they would have to confiscate your computer and records of you downloading alot of stuff would not be enough for the police to do this.
Considering England is meant to be fasist there’s an awfully lot of fooking paki’s living there claim welfare under 20 different names while driving a taxi cab by night and corner shop by day (he gets the wife and kids to run it a night all 50 of them)
Who gives a sh!t where you come from no country is perfect but if you don’t like a particular country dont fooking go there then. And how many Anti-americans are using something made in the USA? How many of you lame fookers that hate the USA are using Windows? Jeez what a bunch of fooking moaning hypocrites. Piracy is illegal no matter where you are in the world (for the most part), at least have the balls to hold your hands up and admit you were breaking the law when you get caught, don’t fooking b!tch and moan about it. Jees from most of these comments, why live in the western world? we’d all be better off in fooking Ethiopia !
@MrsX
We have the same problem here in the US with our negroes as you do with your paki’s.
There is no real solution, since neither country wants them, but we can’t get rid of them.
internet is a cybermedia place good and bad exist its upon the choice of the user which does he wants freely but the law can’t just take away our choices. Even God didn’t took away that choices He didn’t force us to be good. So now who’s these folks implementing law and playing God.
@Alfred + Mrs.X
You are a couple of racists aren’t you.
When you say ‘fasist’, do you mean fascist? In what way is England a fascist country?
And are you saying that if you got caught downloading stuff illegally, and faced either jail or a very large fine, that you would not try to get out of it? You could just destroy your hard drive, it would only cost £20 to replace.
As asked to post by some on this thread, the following is the text from the message i received from the rapidshare admin in regards to them banning my account. Or at least i think it is my account because they said it belongs to “niteuk” yet they refer to me as monugs. These idiots cant even type in complete coherent sentences! Is anyone else having this problem?
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monugs
Due to problems in the last week. The main treasure chest has had to close. It is going to take a few days to reorganise and make files available.
Reason being. from Rapidshare. This from only one acount
Dear RapidShare User, This is to inform you that your RapidShare Account, niteuk, has been permanently locked. The Reason for this if that you have been downloading illegal \”warez\”. In addition to downloading \”warez\”, you have stored over 20 Gigabytes of illegal software. As you may have heard, RapidShare has faced several charges for our stored content. The suspension of your account will help RapidShare keep running. Please do not reply to this email as this email was automatically sent. And please do not send any emails to any of our email addresses. You will not get your RapidShare Account back. If you continue to pursue this subject and still wish to regain your account, you may find yourself facing serious charges. Downloading and uploading \”Warez\” is illegal. Thank you, RapidShare AG
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We are sorry for any problems this may cause.
Admin
@myself in 266–
It seems as though I am still able to dl files through my premium account. Hmmmm, I’m suspicious now!
To all those who doubt it will come:
This law will come! a similiar law already has been passed in france and soon all european nations will follow.
the only thing we can do about is go to the supreme court of our nations and if that doesnt help we have to head for the european supreme court. laws like this have been reversed by the supreme courts before.
SO FIGHT IT BEFORE IT STARTS. if the UK fails to fight, our countries will be next!
Encryption…
Use it..
The ppl they should be targetting is the music companies for ripping us all off.
Same with Movies..
Pirating is a life style.
PPL love it..
Like me..
Thank god im not in UK.
To all the ppl in there.
Don’t worry, its a scare tactic to try to make music and movie outragous sales increase.
THis is a community.
We arn’t goin anywhere..
And with this maVen on the run..
Good on him.. Why fight a law that doesn’t make sense.
LONG LIVE SCENE!
@monugs. Seems like someone is pulling your leg. Keep you details more secure. Glad your still able to download
@255 Henry. Surely they left the UK because of religious persecution (and for the merchants, to make money), not because their broadband got turned off. Nothing much has changed, you’re still overly religious and only care about making money (the American dream).
This is all worthless chatter. It isn’t a law and never will be. Martin’s just winding everyone up with a didgy headline.
this is may dissapointing for me, i live in the UK and i am a seedbox for a private tracker (i have uploaded like 21 TB with a 26mb upload speed) and i wont be able to do this anymore, i am the one keepng the site running.
this best never pass legislation
THIS WONT HAPPEN. IF IT DOES THEN ALL THE ISP IN THE COUNTRY WILL BE LOSING CUSTOMERS BY THE THOUSANDS AND THEY WONT LIKE THAT.
Let me ask everyone in the uk something has the news of this green paper stopped any one from dowloading anything yet???
If so why????? I`m not stopping, and if this does come to pass it will take some time for it to do so….
And as with every new technology i`m sure the entire world will help us find a way around it
I think the funny thing is this law here would pit profiting corporations against each other. I mean we would be getting to see the bestest (yes i know gramar) Boxing match ever…ISPs VS The Movie/Music Industry…yeah this just cracks me up. It seems like we all get our turns on the spanking chair, but for my friends in UK god i hope they get to avoid this one…its just stupid
there are more pressing issues in this country that need dealing with first, not least of which is letting us decide who is prime minister, i dont actually remember anyone voting for this current tw4t at the last elections…… there’s democracy at work for you, the limp wristed idiot that was elected ran away crying before the end of his term, we should have been given an election at that point !
they need to focus everywhere on those that rip movies and sell thousands of copies, because until they do then they will continue to lose money, they are not losing monsy because of single people downloading for their own use, i gave up going to the cinema years ago because of all the crap they push out and hype up saying it’s great, and when you’ve paid up your cash, sat there and been bored stupid or whatever so many times, you simply say enough is anough…. i now take it or leave it as i choose
Hey Monugs I too got an e mail saying my Rapidshare account had been suspended . But I think mine is legit because I cant dowload anything anymore. here is a copy.Hello.
Your Rapidshare account is being terminated due to violating our Terms of Use. We will not
tolerate any abuse of our servers for copyright violations and reserve the right to
terminate any account that are in violation of German or international copyrights.
This is to ensure that more illegal content does not appear on our servers. We do not
support nor encourage the usage of illegal programs, music, or other media. The terminated
account will be suspended and you will not be granted access to it.
* Please do not respond to this message as it is a automated service.
Best regards,
RapidShare AG – Support-Team
Fu**ng hell can some people here not read, you people going on about the Brits their government & the NHS, its all that some countries / people could only dream of, it may not be the best but its certainly not the worst country by a long shot and isn’t all this a little off topic??????
Look for every one concerned this is just like a suggestion to the government OK its called a Green Paper meaning it is NOT official and most likely never will be law OK now also if it was to be passed and proven to work watch out because this will most certainly be adopted in other countries too with out a doubt. Any way your already being watched on the net…….