Scene group DERANGED have released a Nation Geographic called “Jesus Revealed” which takes a look at the life of Jesus.
Jesus Revealed
Scientists and archaeologists are finding new facts about the life and death of Jesus.
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He is real God in the world…………………..
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Yuo can't say two words without the f'in Error 505 pages as if some iased preek is deciding which posts to approve and which to deny. even without swearing teh oased BS that flows through this server is ridiculos.
You complain about the whole site yet you come here just to post useless and stupid comments like that, good work mate.
You mean a 500 page, and fix your typos before posting.
You're right though, rlslog sux balls these days. Way late on releases, crappy links stolen from other release sites, useless comment threads, crappy editors.
@10 and 12
LOL @ you being the same person and just changing your name to look like a different person… Late releases where mate?
You do realize as mods/editors we can check the IP address the comments are posted from?
I know exactly what you can and can't do, one of the things you clearly can't do is manage a website. I can post from different IP's or the same IP regardless of where I post from, in fact about half a dozen people post using this IP address already, it's a public hotspot stolen from some company with no security.
If you are so f'kin clever, why doesn't this website work 99% of the time? It's like you strive for 99.999% downtime instead of uptime.
Scripts suck, all the BBUK posts were more than a day late, for the 20 minutes a week you manage to get your site working you think it's worthwhile?
You delete any comments that tell it like it is and, while free speech doesn't apply on a private website, you like to censor it like some kiddie forum to only show what you feel supports your own agenda.
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lol and its fairly obvious all of those comments are from you… complain about the site so much yet you take the time to post 3 comments putting it down, nice one again mate!
I know i cant manage the site, simply because i dont and i never said i did… I am just a editor here, i post releases as they come out, the site management is up to the owner of the site Martin
Never said i was clever i just said that you know we can see the IPs that posts are made from..
90% of the time posts are posted within 30 mins or so of being released with the odd exception if no editors are on. BBUK, LOL probably cos hardly anyone cares about that show and only one of our editors “choose” to post it for people that actually do like it
I dont delete comments even stupid ones like yours, i prefer to leave them so people can see how immature people like you are.
Anyways im off to bed have fun posting your useless comments 
@1 Many Americans actually still believe in Christianity, in fact of all nations, America is about the only place where the majority of people still admit to believing in Christianity, it's said to be due to scientific depravation. Science is not a great focus in America, belief and faith is the angle. Others with more exposure to science have reduced their religious following to net to nothing.
Jesus probably existed, not as God's son but as some dude with the right amount of charisma to generate a following. The Earth's first Ernest Angley perhaps.
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Thanks Jesus, THe Pirate Bay is back!
I think I'll skip this one but thanks for posting it.
Is it so hard for a channel like this on tv to tell the real history of the messiah aka zodiac… and all the same stories that came before the Jesus personification myth? Clearly the religious nuts have their claws dug into the programming, tinkering with the scientific methods… such a shame really.
Your god is dead and no one cares.
If there is a hell I'll see you there
thanks for this post, looks like an interesting program.
on another note I am seeing more and more of these 'rlslog sucks' type posts, which kind of make me wonder why these people even bother to come here, I for one use this site regularly and notice in the rules at the top it clearly states 'Don't be rude (permban), use only English, don't go offtopic' so I'm wondering why we even have to put up with these people since they constantly seem to break both those rules.
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@17 "Others with more exposure to science have reduced their religious following to net to nothing."
well that just means they wanted to feel smarter than the religious folk, funny how ego's work. And secondly what the hell are you talking about America when you obviously have no first hand experience of what goes on there. The first thing they learn in kindergarten is dinosaurs roamed the earth 5 billion years ago…and Darwin put them there.
Okay I have to say it, as much as I find all the 'rlslog sucks' posts annoying I have to admit that what #17 said is exactly what I believe, and I quote:
'Jesus probably existed, not as God's son but as some dude with the right amount of charisma to generate a following. The Earth's first Ernest Angley perhaps.'
and lets face it if someone came along now and said 'I am the second coming' they'd either get laughed at or locked in a loony bin, makes you wonder if the second coming has happened and we all missed it LOL
I am Jesus! THE ALL MIGHTY LORD PITIES THE FOOLS THAT DON'T BELIEVE.. OK maybe not, coz that dude could have just made everyone believe through the genes, he has already hardwired a lot of stuff in humans, why could he not add the right religion as well? one simple reason: coz he don't exists. I pity the fool that does believe in random religions
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And this guy doesn't withdraw!!
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@24
In most cases, intelligence and religious conviction exist in an inverse relationship. Which is why university educated students and graduates are more likely not to be religious. The odd exception always exists though, such as the head of the Human Genome Project.
The US' education system is quite backwards. I certainly hope that kindergardners aren't told that dinosaurs existed 5 billion years ago since the Earth didn't even exist, yet alone dinosaurs. They are more likely to be told that dinosaurs existed 6000 years ago, alongside man. Not too mention that a huge amount of the population rejects evolution. I'm not claiming that all Americans stupid, but they do outnumber the intelligent population.
err… Jesus dead?
Nah.. he is GOD. PERIOD.
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Can you stop posting religious releases please dot?
@24 – What do I know about religion in America?
"And secondly what the hell are you talking about America when you obviously have no first hand experience of what goes on there."
I was born and raised in Milton, Nebraska where I was forced to go to Sunday school and attend church. If you didn't you were looked upon like some evil doer/devil's child by all the brainwashed neighbours. I eventually got politely kicked out of Sunday school for asking too many realistic questions they couldn't give a straight answer to.
I am your Jesus! Bow down lemmings!!1!ONE!
@ #34: You got kicked out of sunday school! You devil spawn evil doer! You will burn in hell for this (i should know, i am Jesus after all).
@ #30: Are you telling me that the head of Genome project is a religious man?! That sh1t is messed up! I hope he burns in his hell for the blasphemy!
@ #26: don't kid yourself, there can only be one jesus and that is me! I suspect its more likely that you are Beelzebub, trying to trick unsuspecting victims into following you! I will cast Avadra Kedava on you (cos we all know that I, Jesus, use harry potter spells) and send you back to hell scum!
I, your great lord Jesus, have decided to grace you with a few more words of divine wisdom.
@ 24: Did they turn to atheism so that they could feel smarter, or is feeling smarter an unintended side effect of turning to atheism? Or were they already smarter and more able to see the folly of religion, thus turning to theism?
Darwin put the dinosaurs on earth 5 billion years ago? That sneaky bugger! First thing i learned in kindergarten is to stop putting my finger up my nose so often.
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LOL @ 13! Good catch.
Nothing wrong with the religious releases. Keep 'em coming.
95% of Americans don't go to church, they do celebrate more on halloween, thanksgiving, july 4th rather than holy week & Christmas. America is a great nation, nice place, you can buy anything you want if you're not lazy to work, ( most americans are lazy ). Btw, i prefer black americans coz they are friendly compared to white americans
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"Jesus probably existed, not as God's son but as some dude with the right amount of charisma to generate a following."
This looks like a good time to plug one of the best sci-fi films there is: The Man from Earth. Check it out. I think it was on here that the director or producer posted and thanked people for pirating it to make it more well-known.
@38 get your facts straight. First of all, I'll agree that believing in God and attending church are two different things.
BUT
"According to the Gallup Poll, belief in God has always been very high in the United States, ranking in the mid-90 percent range over the last sixty years. Interestingly, while 95 percent of Americans believe in God,"
"According to a 2000 Gallup poll, 64.9 percent of respondents believed that religion has the ability to answer today's problems. This particular statistic has ranged from a high of 81 percent in 1957 to a low of 53 percent in 1993."
"Church membership reached a high of 76 percent in both 1943 and 1947 and dropped to a low of 65 percent in 1988 and 1990. In 1939, when Gallup first began measuring church attendance, 41 percent of Americans claimed to attend weekly worship services."
And you think that 95% of Americans DON'T believe in God?
@33
While some people might not like these religious type of shows/docos i know there are a lot that find them interesting, so i dont really see why we shouldnt post them just cos some people dont like the topic its about.
Its simple if you dont like it feel free to scroll your mouse once of twice and the post is gone 
1) it was a relatively well documented time of history with Roman Jewish and Greek narratives. None contain any references to Jesus or the movement. So it is far from certain Jesus did exist.
2) The original movement was exclusively Jewish and was a no more than a Jewish cult. This cult was then turned around many times by successors seeking Non Jewish participants and the original story was replaced many times. No one today knows what the original 'Christian' theology was.
3)With non Jewish believers the Jesus stories quickly became no more than a retelling of already established much older stories like Osiris….
…and for what it is worth there have been a number of outages at rlslog.
The Man from Earth was a very good film. Check it out.
Only one thing i can say HOLY S.H..I…..T….
second coming is already here, god said everyone is son of god and jesus our brother, if you want any question open yourself and ask god honestly in your heart or mind and you should see your answear but with patience.
Jesus is coming.
Look busy.
@42
What does all that have to do with my comments in #38? I simply said to keep the religious posts coming.
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Christianity is the largest swath of religion in the USA but filled with a number of denominations. Catholics make up around 30% of the mainline christian movements with baptist and methodists coming in second and third respectively. What they don't really publish or speak about though is that atheisn and agnostics makeup around 15% or more of the population. They are bigger than every other religion minus the the catholics baptists and methodists.
One third of our population is alienated by a large portion of this country. There has never been a president not associated with religion (they wouldn't be elected) and they don't possess large lobby groups and receive no federal support like a religion yet get no representation.
Things are changing though and there will be an upheaval of sorts when people start working collectively.
thanks. something i will watch.
@51 Dude
Check my previous comment, check the number comment i was referring to (It was directed at comment 33)
He said to stop posting these religious type or releases
LOL. Scientists and Jesus. Dont think those two belong in the same sentence. Jesus was a mythological entity. Just like Zeus, Apollo, Poseidon etc. Daft Christians. TUT
Oh, and btw, 80% of prisoners in the USA say they are Christian. While 0.001% are atheist. Hmm, what does that tell you?
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@ 57 and some others, I'd be interested to know if you also believe that Buddha and Mohamed were myths, like Zeus etc, it is very trendy to bash Christians theses days yet society seems to readily accept Eastern philosophy's such as Karma, meditation and things like Charkras,Chi and accupunture, some of these things stem directly from the belief in spiritual beings. Why don't you take the piss out Mohamed? Too scared someone will cut your head off with a rusty knife? Cowards.
Pseudoscience. And yes, religion sucks. We'd be MUCH better of without it.
@59 Well, as I live in a Christian society Nero, it makes more sense for me to make my point about Christianity (for example, its a Christian date on this post isnt it?), but I can assure you, that I have as much a problem with Islam as with the Jesus myth. Religion (of all kinds) was mans attempt back in the dark ages and before to explain the world around him which he didnt understand. Today, we know that the earth isnt flat, that the planets orbit the Sun and not the Earth, that epilepsy isnt someone possessed by demons, that snakes dont talk, that our world isnt less than 10,000 years old, that dinosaurs really existed, that Darwins evolution is fact, etc etc. These evidential facts (and millions more), are enough for the more intellectual humans on our evolving planet to no longer need fictional creeds.
I don't know about anyone else but I don't go around saying I'm an atheist. Usually I go with the Catholic routine since I was raised that way. It scares me the way christians treat anyone who doesn't agree with them. They don't just treat you the same and will even murder you. Look at what they do to doctors that perform legal abortions. Down south they form angry mobs and practically attack the school boards to push intelligent design. The churches which get off tax free apparently have lobby groups and the money to fund themselves.
It's scary admitting to any form of agnostic or atheism you are immediately attacked by christians.
America was a penal colony, all education banned on arrival, only taught to read and only the 1 book, the Christian bible, none were Christians, they were pagans. This is why Europeans and the other colonies are not Christians, because its Jewish, the only reason they are Christians is because their ancestors were owned by Jewish. Christianity is less than 500 years old, the rest is a lie. Education about this has been suppressed by America's 'powers' ever since, mustn’t lose control of the people and their wallets.
Just white slavery.
Still on-going I am afraid, one day they might free themselves.
“Jesus probably existed, not as God's son but as some dude with the right amount of charisma to generate a following”
Bingo, Jesus was just a lunatic 'prophet', biblical Jesus is Horus, ripped off from the Egyptian book of the dead, another word for the sun, basically, dont worship the true and real that you can see with your own eyes, worship MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, and if you dont, we will KILL YOU.
The resurrection is the procession of the equinoxes.
Same with the Quran, Mohammed is also the sun, his ‘splitting the moon’ is an eclipse. The banging head on old bit of carpet 5 times a day comes from him, the man, having epilepsy.
At the end of an eclipse the Star of David appears, all 3 are the same BS eastern religions about the sky.
Current counts show at least 42% of Catholics are really crypto-Jews, re the inquisition. Google ‘Belmonte Jews’ for an insight.
‘This’ is my job.
Will d/l though and thanks, always need to keep abreast of the latest steaming pile of BS doing the rounds.
Religion should be banned. The only thing it is good for is starting wars.
yeah, flame wars!
@59
Does "National Geographic Jesus Revealed" sound like the place to bash Islam?
Fuc.k Jesus, Fuc.k Mohamed, Fuc.k Buddha, Fuc.k Rama, Fuc.k God, Fuc.k Allah, Fuc.k the curse filter and Hail Zeus.
Satisfied?
I'm not claiming that all Americans are smarter then @30-39-44-53-56-60-61-62-63-64 and 66, but they do outnumber the the shrinking stupid portion of the world population where these idiot bashers come from.
Isnt it amazing that people like @30-39-44-53-56-60-61-62-63-64-66 and the others that make fun of people's beliefs consider themselves enlightened and progressive, and yet watch them go batsh$t if you dare say anything like the simple fact that Darwin converted back to religion on his deathbed in the presence of the doctors who worked on him and there is signed authenticated papers that say as much. Not to mention that Darwin never said religion and evolution never could co-exist, and in fact promoted both of them. Again validated and documented. Now you want to watch the fun, I can almost guarentee that most of the people that are bashing and making fun of religion are seething that I DARED post the facts here about their religion of anti-religion. And I bet that some of them will even post a reply attacking what I stated or religion again. That shows the low level of mentality of these people as when you call names instead of using facts, you have already lost the argument.
Big up to #67, possibly the smartest comment I've seen posted here in many moons. And big up to Rlslog too, I've been checking in here for a couple of years now, I've never left a message, but I've always appreciated all the posts. F.uck the haters.
@42 DUDE – Post 39
great, thanks a lot for your good work!
@67 Common sense:
"And I bet that some of them will even post a reply attacking what I stated or religion again. That shows the low level of mentality of these people as when you call names instead of using facts, you have already lost the argument."
Nice try, that's the lamest attempt at stopping follow up posts I have seen. "If you respond to this, you have proven me right." FO, BS.
"I'm not claiming that all Americans are smarter then @30-39-44-53-56-60-61-62-63-64 and 66, but they do outnumber the the shrinking stupid portion of the world…"
First of all, go back to school and learn some grammar. THEN referrs to time, THAN is comparitive. Don't worry though, it's a very common mistake in the US. I won't get into your other grammar mistakes in that same sentence itself mine isn't perfect either but I hate it when people mix up than and then. It's not that difficult to get yuor head around.
To be fair and address your comments despite your defensive minging, the 'tale' of Darwin converting to Christianity on his death bed was a hoax. the Lady Hope 'story' is pretty common knowledge these days as it has been discredited for decades. What rock have you been secretly hiding under, Gibraltar?
Perhaps not, I'm getting the Greek and Christian mythology/fairly tales mixed up now. so many stories so many variations, they all join into one big, steaming pile of…
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@68 – Your ability to stand quietly in a corner and then quickly jump on the conformist boat denies all hope of you showing credibility.
actors are Turkish from Turkiye, film taken in Ephesus city.
Turkish actor reads Quran as a bible at the moment 21min15second.National geographic made very big mistake.
isa belgeseli, oyuncular türk, efes' de çekilmiş.
isa rolündeki adam belgeselin 21dk15sn de kuran okuyor.
national geographic büyük hata yapmış.
A) religion is population control and an ingenious method to turn good hearted people bad….and/or lead them astray. the blind leading the blind.
B) science cant possibly disprove a God. someone please tell me how the first single atom can exist by coming from nothing? we all know something can not come from nothing.
C) Jesus's existence is almost undeniable…his divinity is what is in question.
D) the Church quite possibly was never intended by Jesus. Greek versions of the Bible before latin/english translations used words that note Peter was just a little stone and Jesus was always the rock while newer translations state Peter was the rock which is not true. Jesus quite possibly never intended anyone to be a Pope with supposed supreme power and infallibility which the Church claims the Pope has in Canon Law.
E) most people in this world are ignorant and seek the easy truth out of pure laziness. you have reasoning and awareness for a reason…why dont you try and actually use it. religion is a population control for the weak minded and atheists believe we either just existed or nothing created something. Both of you types fail. there is a truth…go seek it.
This is why I and others just declare whatever religion we were born into or similar. You can't have a conversation with many religious believers. They immediately attack you like #67 stating that you think you are better than them or you are bashing their faith publicly. It doesn't matter to them here in the USA. They will always try to turn it around like you are the aggressive pagan heathen.
Look at #67 he talks down to people that don't share the same viewpoint as if he is the enlightened one. You can't have a rational discussion with someone that won't speak to you as an equal. It's a sad state of affairs in the USA imo.
Oh and I do understand that #67 was responding to some troll comments but he just lumped everyone together in his verbal assault.
If God does exist, i hope he's pleased with himself watching all the suffering in the world and doing nothing about it.
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#75 suffering, huh? most suffering is easily attributable to reasons of free will.
let me ask you something, what makes you so special that he should save you from suffering. what have you done for him?
thats not meant in an attacking manner…its a legit question. If you didnt realize, he came down to show us how to live. we killed him and he has therefore wiped his hands clean of us until the end of time. we are now here to fend for ourselves now that we killed him.
old testament = he tried to teach us from a distance and help us…realized it wasnt working
new testament = he actually showed us how to live by leading the way.
what did we do? we not only killed him…we TORTURED him.
so again i ask you, why should he come down and save you from suffering when he didnt even save himself from it?
most people create their own suffering and to those who create suffering for others, they will get whats due to them. im surely going to get whats coming to me, i have a lot of bad judgement coming my way. the difference between me and most everyone else? i dont act like a victim and blame others for what i did and will probably do in the future…i fully accept my choices and im not looking forward to judgement but its inevitable. I dont make up my own beliefs to help ease my conscience and/or make excuses for what ive done. it doesnt change my belief in him because ive done wrong. i dont sit here and say, well i'll pick a different religion cause i shouldnt have any punishment for the wrong ive done. unfortunately, most people today arent like that.
interesting Fact: 2-3 new christian religions are born everyday. why? because people pick and choose what they want to believe to cater to their lifestyle so that their conscience isnt so heavy for doing the wrong things that they do.
@73
B) Nor can science support the existence of a god. Only creationist that like to strawman say that "something comes from nothing".
E) If you seem so certain about the "truth" then why not enlighten us?
#78
science can support the existence of God because science only entails the current "observed" universe around us, not what a higher power's world could possibly entail. so based on that, science can support the idea of it because it cant make a judgement on the rules of something that are out of its realm. science is observing, theorizing, observing, proving and/or coming to a best guess conclusion all based on what CAN be observed. science is therefore extremely limited to only what in this universe exists based on known scientific laws of the universe.
if this universe is a fishbowl to God, science only attempts to explain what is in the fishbowl. it makes no claims outside that fishbowl because it does not know the scientific laws of it nor can it even be observed.
E) enlighten you? i already gave you PLENTY of information to go read for yourself….most is a simple google search away from reading and determining whether its true or not for yourself. seeking the truth is a lifestyle, not a simple task of reading an answer. you have the ability to be aware and you have the ability of reasoning….all for a reason. that reason is to actually use it. so dont be lazy and go use it. why dont you actually put in some time to research instead of asking for the easy way out which ALWAYS leads to biased answers that only give half-truths, if even that much.
@77
I suppose it's those African children's fault for being born that they get to starve to death. Those people that got hit by hurricanes or tsunamis had it coming.
An omniscient God tried to teach us from a distance even though he knew it would fail. Then he tried to show us how to live even though he knew he would be tortured and killed. He tried to help us even though he knew we would not listen from the beginning. He wiped his hands clean of us for eternity dispute knowing how we would act and knew from the beginning that he would wipe his hands clean of us. Why is it that a god with unlimited power and all knowledge is unable to do such a simple task of removing suffering?
Based on that, god;
a) Is not perfect
b) Doesn't care
c) Is not omniscient
c) Doesn't exist
@79
Science can only support that within its realm of observation, therefor it cannot comment on God either way, if he is beyond the realm of science. You seemed to have skipped steps. First you need to establish that a god exists, and then you need to provide evidence that he is beyond our realm. Good luck.
E) Funny how you say that one should determine what they consider to be true or false themself, yet you are quick to claim that you have the truth and that others are wrong.
#80
like i said, free will of others is still free will. they didnt get pregnant and have a kid without free will taking place in some shape or form.
hurricanes and tsunamis are clearly listed in the Bible as these things will happen and shall come to pass. it is apart of our scientific world…a part of the laws of this world.
if you suffering existed, you can not possibly understand the good of non-suffering. it would be impossible because you never experienced any suffering.
i see you've done some philsophical reading. based on that, i'll throw you some of my own as ive done the same reading as you back in the day as a kid.
you claim based on all those simple tasks that he COULDNT complete therefore he isnt perfect or doesnt exist. I ask, why would he want to complete that which you assume he does? what TEST would that be if everyone was perfect? If everyone was PERFECT that means NO FREE WILL TO CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY. Why do you ASSume he wanted perfect people in a perfect world with no ability to choose their own destiny? you cant say that was his goal because you havent the slightest idea of what his goal is.
the simple answer is FREE WILL. that tosses out all your philosophical stances on trying to determine who God is, or isnt, based on your philosophy books that you obviously hold dear. you cant even determine what his goal is outside of wanting to share his LOVE with one another (assuming you believe in christianity and the theme of the Bible) therefore you cant possibly dissect anything about him.
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well if science can only support whats in its realm of observation, that therefore means science is fallible and narrow-scoped. with that being said, by the basis of understandings its narrow scope, it supports those outside of its scope based on its own lack of ability to prove/disprove.
first i need to establish that a God exists? first off, no i dont. all i need to establish is that something can not come from nothing. if nothing cant create something, that means something must have created it. if that something is not inside our scientific laws, that means it is possibly outside our realm. the observation has been stated. the theory is it was created by something outside our realm. science cant prove whats outside our realm so it cant be labeled as fact according to the narrow-scoped science but to say that their isnt evidence that supports the theory is just blind. nothing cant create something. the very first single atom ever created had to be created by somebody and that somebody cant exist in our realm by pure scientific law. how do you like them apples? why do you try to fight me on things that you know yourself to be true? why do you try to deny these things? i believe most people fight this because they dont want to accept a God as true when they know their philosophical questions can't answer lifes simplest of questions….where did we come from? what is our purpose? But in the same breath, i cant necessarily blame people for wanting to rebel against the, what i consider to be evil Church. The church and its ludicrous statements while producing bad fruit is enough to turn most anybody atheist.
E) i dont claim to have all the truth…i claim to seek the truth in everyday life. you cant give the truth to someone, you must teach them how to seek it. that is all one can do. that not only goes for in terms of God but in everyday life. what you see on tv is more biased/manipulative BS than truth…most people dont use their reasoning and awareness to see that though. they take the lazy approach and just accept it
i can bring a horse to the water but i cant force him to drink from it.
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"if suffering never existed"
you'll know where it goes
@81
What is the purpose of god putting us through a test if he already knows the outcome and choices that each of us will make. Out of all of the themes in the bible, love is certainly not one of them. The god of the old testament is certainly not a loving god. The concept of hell itself defines god as an evil being.
First of all, you are assuming that the universe requires creation. It could very well be eternal. Secondly, if the universe required creation, that does make god any closer to being the correct answer. All it does is push the notion of not knowing further. Without being able to detect or even define god, he cannot be given any merit. Thirdly, you don't seem aware that in quantum mechanics, "nothing" is actually "something," and "nothing" can create "something." As we currently know, prior to the big bang, the universe was in a sub atomic state and experienced quantum fluctuations, and such quantum fluctuations lead to quantum expansion.
If god intended in people to believe him, he certainly left a poor trail of evidence.
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Yea I was about to say that the nothing to something argument is poor route nowadays.
I think it's kind of funny how many people of faith use sayings or quotes to strengthen their argument. Haven't seen a discussion on religion where they weren't used yet.
Notice how the one person commenting under religion used kid to describe Failgator's comments and way of thinking. He was trying to discredit him by saying anything he says and thinks at this point is immature and not worth consideration. Religion also goes on to by putting himself as a higher authority by making you think he is older and supposedly wiser and is better.
This is exactly what I mean when I say how many of faith of any religion constantly persecute people not of their faith. Religion responds and verbally attacks the persons character in more than one way as if that proves his point.
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Christianity is basically nothing else than a rip-off, a mash-up of the world's already existing "religions", as you might call it. If you care to investigate a little, you eventually will find out that there are a lot of similarities to other gods and religions that existed many centuries before christianity. Jesus is just a metaphore to the sun, so basically christianity is a simplified version of other (including monotheistic) religions. Sun cult.
That's why I say Jesus did not exist, and that's why this "documentary" (I'd rather a fairy tale) is bull-ish.
Ban religion and lets all live peaceful lives.
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@90
I'm quite positive there isn't a character limit. The only way a reply doesn't get posted is if it contains curse words.
#83
I don’t believe for one second that you don’t know the answer to this question already. These are questions asked hundreds of years ago and have already been answered philosophically speaking. Do you only read one side of the argument or what? Are you trying to trip me up or something? To answer your first question, all you need is a hypothetical situation like this. Lets say you have a Professor at college that claims physic abilities and many people believe in it, including the university. Lets say you take his course and he just looks at you and says…you are going to flunk this test so im not going to even let you take it therefore you cant graduate. Are you going to accept that fate or are you going to challenge him, maybe because you truly believe you would have done a lot better? Almost everybody is going to challenge that Professor…i dont konw who wouldnt. So why wouldn’t he, losing nothing for allowing you to take that test, just let you take the test to allow you to prove to yourself, undeniably, that you are a failure or you are a success? That would be fair, wouldn’t it? These are all philosophical questions that ive read as a kid because they are hundreds of years old that have already been answered with more philosophy and not even using Bible quotes or any of that. I tend to refrain from using the Bible when arguing against someone who is an Atheist…unless it comes to an interpretation which I attempt to find legit greek version as almost all english/latin translations are corrupted by pagans.
Onto the next part. Sure, it could be eternal. We could have JUST always existed. Now if you want to talk about science not supporting something…science CAN NOT POSSIBLY support that under its current scientific rules and laws. Why? Because like I said, something can not come from nothing and something is currently observed scientifically speaking (people, earth, atoms, etc..). To say that eternal is an option and God isn’t is ludicrous. If we witnessed/observed an atom coming from nothing, than this theory would hold a good amount of water….however we’ve never witnessed any of that and to think that everything was just here is obviously an option but an option that ignores scientific rule that something can not come from nothing therefore something must have been created since we currently observe something. Science supports a God moreso over eternal (thought we’ve established that science can not factually prove/disprove God under its current narrow-scope) because of the simple law that nothing can create something. The very first single atom, how was that created? How can an atom be eternal without being created in the first place….since you claim that it doesn’t have to be created and it could be eternal? Your theory really doesn’t end at just “eternal”, does it? Open your eyes and look at the complexities of the world we live in…if you choose to convince yourself that life is easier to believe we are our own Gods versus accepting that you aren’t a God and that someone is truly above you….that life has meaning, that life has consequences, and life actually has a purpose, than to each his own. But to say that eternal is an option and a Supreme Being isn’t is purely ludicrous and I don’t buy for one second that you truly believe that without a personal motive against the idea of having someone above you that is better than you and knows more than you. From my experience, it is usually people saying we have no God because of the Church (which I call evil and is a bad representation of Christianity…it actually is a population control method and an ingenious way to turn good people bad) representing that theory and/or because people don’t understand suffering and want to blame that supreme being for it. Sometimes its been a prideful thing…you can figure that out for yourself but I don’t buy for one second that there isn’t a personal motive behind your denial of a supreme being…whether you choose to be aware and understand/admit it to yourself is entirely up to you. That is free will. Anyway, if I understand your personal belief of Eternal than it doesn’t support the problem of Infinite regression which discredits it.
“out of nothing comes nothing”
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#86
Poor route, huh? Can’t argue with that detailed response which truly discredits the previous statement. Good job!
Nothing to Something is the argument that gets Athiests caught up everyday. No Atheist has been able to explain that without using this Eternal argument (which is already flawed, see above) that we just existed in a scientific world where nothing can create something or something was always there and never had to be created (really?). Something creates something…its basic law. Nothing can create a single atom of life or non-life…only something else can create that. Atheists say “we are working on it though.” That is their best answer right now to combat how nothing can create something.
To the rest of your nonsense, all that you are doing is creating A$$umptions to attempt to discredit me while giving no arguments against the statements and beliefs I have used. At least Failgator is attempting to logically debate which is furthering the debate…you are just sitting on the outside trying to discredit me all while saying you have nothing to add to the debate. Good job!
#88
Apparently you love that Zietgeist movie, part 1 of it at least, and you seem to be taking that one movie and making it sound like you’ve done extensive research on the subject but all you did was watch a movie. It’s all bogus research, at least part 1 is, and if you actually did research, you would realize that. A) Christianity was never founded on astronomy/sun/moon, etc… and B) Jesus’s birthday is unknown…the Church just used December 25th as a holiday to celebrate his birthday, partially believed to be because it would help them convert believers of all those other Gods that were created in the past that claim to be born on Dec 25th. Here is a fairly well written article that will help you further your research by showing you the flaws of the weak research of that movies writer….unless you truly think that you have answered all of lifes questions about religion with the simple minded research of Zeitgeist. Google Ben Witherington and zietgeist for the article.
you claiming you did research is exactly my point of laziness and people wanting the easy way out of finding answers. all i can do is tell you to constantly seek the truth/answers rather than EVER accept one answer as the final truth on such complex issues and biased arguments while you are alive. thats been the point ive been trying to make this entire time…people dont do their own research, they watch a biased movie with flawed research, dont do their own legwork or due diligence (fact-checking), just accept it cause its easier that way and takes less time, than try to pawn it off on others like they actually did research. reminds me of that guy from Good Will Hunting that sat in the bar and quoted all these things from books and pawned it off like it was his own ideas. most everyone does that now a days, whether they realize it or not. nobody seems to think for themselves…its sad
@92-93
Sure, you may be tempted to challenge the professor, but why would the professor even allow you to take the test if he knew with 100% certainty that you would fail. Failing a test becomes a lot more depressing if you used your utmost effort. The kinder option would to deny the option of writing the test. Why would a loving god allow you to feel the increased amount of pain created from trying your hardest to pass the test, even though he already knew the outcome.
Do I and the other 3 billion non-Christians deserve to endure unexplainable pain for all of eternity just for not accepting the Christian god?
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Something that is eternal does not require creation. It has existed for all of eternity. Without evidence pointing towards a time in which nothing existed, we have no reason to believe that any materials required to be created. The universe has drastically changed since the big bang, a few seconds after and the current day, however, our scientific laws perfectly support that creation is not necessary. I am not ruling out the possibility of creation, however, that adds an additional unneeded assumption. Unless the possibility of an eternal universe can be ruled out, it holds the greatest amount of support due to the least amount of assumptions being made, such as creation and a supernatural being.
You seemed to have ignored the entire section regarding quantum mechanics. "Nothing" exists as "something" and as such, "nothing" is perfectly able to produce "something." "Nothing" has a meaningful existence that maintains properties and can be measured. Vaccum fluctuations are a good example, as virtual particles appear out of "nothing" and once again disappear into "nothing."
Both an eternal universe and a natural formation of the universe are supported by science. I have given two alternate naturalistic explanations of the origin of the universe supported by scientific theories and facts. Since the supernatural is beyond the realm of science, the God hypothesis only has value when no other possibilities exist.
Spare me your bullshi.t and stop pretending that you are any better than me. My life does have meaning, my life has consequences and my life has a purpose. These are determined by each of us. Do I have a personal motive to "deny" a supernatural being? No, I simply do not see any valid evidence supporting the existence of one or any reason to require one.
#95
wow buddy, talk about a pessimistic and defeated personality? depressing to fail a test so why would a loving God have you take it? increased amount of pain? jeez, i truly hope you dont live your life with such a defeated attitude when something doesnt go your way. Are you going to tell your kids to not go to school or work cause there is a good chance they may not succeed and why would a loving parent risk such disappointment for their child? Actually, why would you even allow them to live cause there is a good chance they may fail at life…and by your logic, that would make you unloving to allow them to do that.
in regards to this test and how complicated that test is to pass, i'll have to use Bible because the test implies you believe to some point. to see how easy it is to pass the test, look at the thief next to Jesus on the cross. He's lived nothing of a virtuous life but he accepted/admitted all his failures and believed in Jesus as his lord and savior…and Jesus welcomed him into heaven with open arms. not too complicated of a test, no?
all of eternity is more of an English translation, there is more research I personally need to do on that but there seems to be evidence that eternity may have been mixed from greek to english/latin translation…further corruption from the original texts which the Church denies yet is proven to be true…a known FACT.
you have to keep in mind. its not just simply saying, I dont believe in a Christian God so im doomed to hell? when you use that argument, it leads astray the real issue at hand which is the reason your actions are frowned upon in regards to Christianity. you are denying the possibility of the Christian God all while convincing others of your belief which leads more people astray…thats pretty serious and you know the consequences ahead of time so the point is, you best be sure what you speak before you say how true it is. I dont even speak about Jesus and what he says as a fact out of fear i'm misinterpreting something or my research is flawed…atheists who dont believe have no reason to feel a consequence so they'll have no issues saying anything thats negative and agaisnt Christianity with no fear. see my point? anyway, for me to say who gets in and who doesnt, i have no evidence to support that. all i do know is based on that thief, you can live a completely unvirtuous life but in the end, he was truly sorry for his actions and he believed in Jesus as his lord and savior…that was apparently enough to get him in good graces. lets put it this way, in my opinion, i surely do not deserve to be in good graces…ive lead nothing close to a virtuous life so far and i'll accept whats coming to me because its only fair. i know the test ahead of time therefore im prepared and im still not living the most virtuous of lives so you wont be lonely most likely.
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eternal part
yes, i obviously understand the "eternal theory" means it doesnt require creation….according to the "theory." but that implies that at least a single atom existed, did not need creation, and that atom spurred the creation of other atoms to create teh world we live in today. that doesnt make any sense to me based on the scientific law we know of this world. I just dont know why that single atom (which already existed) would need to create the rest of the world, which is what the eternal theory admits, when that single atom itself did not need creation. why has everything since that single atom needed creation but that initial one just didnt need it? that has far too many holes in it for me to even consider it a valid option…though i cant disprove it so it obviously is an option….just very unlikely.
That is a bigger assumption than creation, which i'll detail below. creation makes more sense in scientific law because it implies everything that we see as scientific law….only something creates something and something MUST be created for it to exist. thats the scientific law we live in. we've never witnessed nothing create something so its hard to say that something just existed eternally when everything that was something, has been created through our observations.
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quantum mechanics theory to vacuum fluctuations
the theory of the quantum mechanics theory, to my knowledge, is that unless we observe it from beginning to end, we have no idea of the past because it was not observed therefore it isnt even reality. as a VERY quick summary, is that what quantum mechanics theory is to you?
"nothing" as you imply actually is "something" becuase energy (whether positive or negative) actually is "something" rather than "nothing"
"something" does not only apply to something visible like "matter"….something applies to non-visible energy or electric fields as well. unless you categorize these as "nothing" your theory of nothing creates something is only relevant under the hypothesis that if its not perceived, anything is possible (quantum mechanics theory).
it is far more likely that the universe is a closed system with finite energy (Einstein). that destroys the theory of eternal. if it was eternal, we wouldnt exist anymore. I refute your nothing creates something by the first law of thermodynamics….stating that matter/energy CAN NOT be created by "nothing" by any natural process. the 2nd law of thermodynamics states taht the energy becomes more and more useless in time. the 2nd law destroys the eternal theory because the eternal theory (the universe always existed and is eternal) can not be sustained by the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The first law than explains the universe could not have created itself. Hence a supreme being must be in order that it outside of realm.
the disorder of the world is by chance and the high degree of order can only logically be explained by a supreme being.
ultimately, the above makes the universe NOT self-sustaining which means something MUST have created it and that something MUST be ultimately self sustaining therefore a Supreme Being is the only logical option.
scientists also admit that teh 2nd law of thermodynamics is what will likely end the universe in what is known as a "heat death." the Eternal Theory, could not be possible then.
you can look up Babu Ranganathan, among others, for further information on that.
@96
There is a BIG difference between suspecting and knowing the outcome of an event. If I had children I would tell them to try there hardest if I knew that had any chance of success. If I knew with absolute certainty that they would fail, I would spare them the pain.
I do not deny the possibility that the Christian God exists, I merely do not believe that he exists. In my opinion, I would say that the thief received backwards justice. I do not feel that an apology/accepting Jesus should be a sufficient method of "passing" the test. Nor do I support a punishment of enduring unimaginable pain whether it is eternal or finite in length. Of course you could always say that my morally is surpassed by God, but whatever.
Your understanding of the eternal universe theory is a bit off. It is generally the Big Crunch cycle. It is not a single atom that has always existed, but the entire universe. The total amount of energy in the universe has remained constant, the only difference is that it expanded, contracted and changed form. Prior to the expansion event, all matter existed in a sub-atomic state and the laws of physics break down at the sub atomic level, potentially allowing the destruction of entropy. The problem is that we do not know if the universe is an open or closed system.
It is not accurate to describe entropy as the amount of disorder in a system, as it really has to do with the amount of ways a microstate can arrange itself in a system. Defining entropy as disorder does not work as snowflakes and and other liquid -> crystal changes would defy the law as matter spontaneously changes from disordered to extremely ordered. It is also interesting to mention that black holes appear to defy the second law of thermodynamics as Steven Hawkings revealed.
Quantum mechanics is basically just observing matter on the atomic and sub-atomic level. We have yet to discover "absolute nothing" as even "nothing" as we see it is only "nothing" until it is measured. This is drawn in towards the theory of eternity as "something" always exists, but is considered "nothing" until it has been measured.
Even if we do not know the origin of our universe, it does not make a supreme being are more likely. If a naturally sustaining and forming universe is rejected, a supreme being does not become any more likely as no evidence can be put in favor of the being, due to it existing outside of the universe. All that can be said while maintaining intellectual honesty is that we don't know.
What makes the Christian God a better choice than any other religious deity? Why is the Christian God the creator of the universe rather than an advanced alien life form?
#97
my schedule has been hectic and have not had the time to fully put together a reply…only bits and pieces so far as I hate misquoting by going off the top of my head. However, I have some useful reading for you and a riddle that i'd like your response/thoughts on as you seem intelligent enough that you've done more research than the common person on your beliefs…which is rare these days. I dont claim this proves God's existence…but it is very thought-provoking nonetheless and does explain a lot of logic behind the belief of a Supreme Being.
You can choose to read it all, which i HIGHLY recommend as it refutes Darwins Evolution theory by showing the holes in his thinking. It doesnt prove Evolution is wrong…it may very well be proven right someday, which is why I enjoyed this article as it doesnt claim facts like that. However, with that being said, it does indeed refute Darwins theory that it can not be true in its entirety.
If you choose to ignore the entire article, which i think you'd be truly missing out, you can scroll to the Atheists Riddle near the bottom half of the article. I'd like your thoughts on that while i craft a reply to your above message.
@98
I read the entire article and I would say it is pretty poor. It is full of misconceptions and falsehoods. Evolution has been observed both in the laboratory and on the field. The author of the article is an engineer and simply does not have enough knowledge of genetics. He does not understand how random mutations work. One misconception that reveals his lack of research is that he claims most mutations are harmful, where as, the majority of mutations are neutral. His entire article collapses because he has little knowledge of biology and he throws in a ton of analogies, most of which are poor comparisons.
His great questions that apparently nobody can answer;
“Can you produce an example of a mutation or evolutionary process that led to an increase in information?”
Flavobacterium in contact with nylon have evolved, allowing them to digest nylon. It has been observed in the field and reproduced in the lab.
DNA does not require a mind behind it, simply because of chemical reactions. DNA isn't a determined language, it has formed due to chemical attractions. In fact, a few months ago RNA was naturally formed in the lab by using raw elements, which would have been found on the primordial Earth.
I think the Athiest's Riddle's main thing is the information arugment being independent of matter and energy. And thus the thesis that information comes from a mind/intelligence, and that we have not observed any exception to this. Therefore this is a standing argument for the existence of God. information/language is evidence for an intelligence. intelligence comes from intelligence, so we must have come from another intelligence. That in turn came from a another, and on and on, which eventually gets to an eternal intelligence that is outside of our dinmensions. The Athiest's Riddle is asking for someone to show an example of information that did not come from a mind, or from energy and matter alone.
Science theory stands up, asks for someone to knock it down. Things that have not been knocked down we accept as scientifically correct to the best of our knowledge
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