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	<title>Comments on: MovieX leeching case, another point of view</title>
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		<title>By: xabhijitx</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-341065</link>
		<dc:creator>xabhijitx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think people should delete Moviex tracker from torrent and use TPB tracker. I have been doing it since moviex issue heated up.

I would rather upload to people who are not making profit of my uploads! 

Its better you upload to TPB peers.
Torrent community is supposed to be Free, some times you leech some times others leech from you. Dont allow others to leech from you and dont give any thing to the free community!

Moviex is making no difference in torrents available, I used to get every thing when there was no Moviex! Why care about Moviex, just Delete their tracker, and add the IP to peergurdian.

Most of the torrent sites are supporting Moviex, why not, they are looking at the huge profits, when every one will have to pay for any damn torrent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think people should delete Moviex tracker from torrent and use TPB tracker. I have been doing it since moviex issue heated up.</p>
<p>I would rather upload to people who are not making profit of my uploads! </p>
<p>Its better you upload to TPB peers.<br />
Torrent community is supposed to be Free, some times you leech some times others leech from you. Dont allow others to leech from you and dont give any thing to the free community!</p>
<p>Moviex is making no difference in torrents available, I used to get every thing when there was no Moviex! Why care about Moviex, just Delete their tracker, and add the IP to peergurdian.</p>
<p>Most of the torrent sites are supporting Moviex, why not, they are looking at the huge profits, when every one will have to pay for any damn torrent!</p>
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		<title>By: ZanoZik</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-336251</link>
		<dc:creator>ZanoZik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article just summed up the whole unjust behavior of moviex network.
In my personal experience torrents with moviex tracker get bigger ratio than the normal ones. All the moviex fan-boys doesn&#039;t have a clue of the principle of p2p, thats for sure!
We&#039;he fought spam, we&#039;ve fought viruses, this is just another one we have to eventually kill out. The best solution is to block moviex.info with your firewall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article just summed up the whole unjust behavior of moviex network.<br />
In my personal experience torrents with moviex tracker get bigger ratio than the normal ones. All the moviex fan-boys doesn&#8217;t have a clue of the principle of p2p, thats for sure!<br />
We&#8217;he fought spam, we&#8217;ve fought viruses, this is just another one we have to eventually kill out. The best solution is to block moviex.info with your firewall.</p>
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		<title>By: Vashgun</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-279338</link>
		<dc:creator>Vashgun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of Moviex, I find it hilarious that anyone would suggest that we need the pirate bay &quot;seeders&quot; for anything other than the occasional entertaining flame articles.  Moviex is the new demonoid, from an X-demonoid user.  Moviex is still open, as I was very lucky to get an invite from a personal friend to demonoid.  Private trackers exist to provide the real bt community, so you can feel protected from the kinds of users and loaders that embody Pirate Bay.  Flame away, it&#039;s only the public tracker users that suffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of Moviex, I find it hilarious that anyone would suggest that we need the pirate bay &#8220;seeders&#8221; for anything other than the occasional entertaining flame articles.  Moviex is the new demonoid, from an X-demonoid user.  Moviex is still open, as I was very lucky to get an invite from a personal friend to demonoid.  Private trackers exist to provide the real bt community, so you can feel protected from the kinds of users and loaders that embody Pirate Bay.  Flame away, it&#8217;s only the public tracker users that suffer.</p>
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		<title>By: nezagoo</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-278178</link>
		<dc:creator>nezagoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whats wrong with all of u if your not happy go somewhere else
simple, why all the whinging, go moviex you r doing a great 
job the rest of u use your hands for somthing more usfull</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whats wrong with all of u if your not happy go somewhere else<br />
simple, why all the whinging, go moviex you r doing a great<br />
job the rest of u use your hands for somthing more usfull</p>
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		<title>By: pro_at_cards</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-271405</link>
		<dc:creator>pro_at_cards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you people are a bunch of f**king cry babies.
ask your self this......
Q:who controls your bandwith? 
A:you or your isp not some site

Q:what was it like before torrent files?(yeah the old days)
A:wrong files and infected 

Q:what tracker is better open source or private?
A:private

Q:why do you complain about things that only cost your bandwith that are for free?
A:only you would know

if you dont like what is Offered go out and pay for it.

and you want to know why demonoid is down....please...
it is because of cry babies....enough said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you people are a bunch of f**king cry babies.<br />
ask your self this&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Q:who controls your bandwith?<br />
A:you or your isp not some site</p>
<p>Q:what was it like before torrent files?(yeah the old days)<br />
A:wrong files and infected </p>
<p>Q:what tracker is better open source or private?<br />
A:private</p>
<p>Q:why do you complain about things that only cost your bandwith that are for free?<br />
A:only you would know</p>
<p>if you dont like what is Offered go out and pay for it.</p>
<p>and you want to know why demonoid is down&#8230;.please&#8230;<br />
it is because of cry babies&#8230;.enough said</p>
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		<title>By: king_cnut</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-263182</link>
		<dc:creator>king_cnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the bit that people fail to understand, and precisely why MovieX&#039;s policy is evil:

Most private trackers that do rejection will do it on both ends - they will not allow you to participate in their private swarm, full stop.  Join up, or you don&#039;t get it.  A bit like coming to a toll bridge - if you don&#039;t pay, you don&#039;t get across.

What MovieX does is say &quot;If you want to take part you&#039;ll have to join, but even if you don&#039;t we&#039;ll take your bandwidth anyway&quot;.  There are ways of moralizing the whole download thing, but whichever way you look at it, this is stealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the bit that people fail to understand, and precisely why MovieX&#8217;s policy is evil:</p>
<p>Most private trackers that do rejection will do it on both ends &#8211; they will not allow you to participate in their private swarm, full stop.  Join up, or you don&#8217;t get it.  A bit like coming to a toll bridge &#8211; if you don&#8217;t pay, you don&#8217;t get across.</p>
<p>What MovieX does is say &#8220;If you want to take part you&#8217;ll have to join, but even if you don&#8217;t we&#8217;ll take your bandwidth anyway&#8221;.  There are ways of moralizing the whole download thing, but whichever way you look at it, this is stealing.</p>
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		<title>By: EppyAndy</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-253553</link>
		<dc:creator>EppyAndy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been with them nearly four months.  Ratio of 1.3 with a download of 150Gb and am also VIP.  Benefits of both.  No pressure to pay, Yep torrents d/l quickly, but even quicker with the direct d/l links.  

People who say it is impossible to get a high ratio - cannot understand where you are coming from.  I download and leave seeding.

Yes on the site you get your snatch and runners but as they do not seed they do not last long.  What is wrong with that.  

Just my tuppence worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been with them nearly four months.  Ratio of 1.3 with a download of 150Gb and am also VIP.  Benefits of both.  No pressure to pay, Yep torrents d/l quickly, but even quicker with the direct d/l links.  </p>
<p>People who say it is impossible to get a high ratio &#8211; cannot understand where you are coming from.  I download and leave seeding.</p>
<p>Yes on the site you get your snatch and runners but as they do not seed they do not last long.  What is wrong with that.  </p>
<p>Just my tuppence worth.</p>
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		<title>By: thizz</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-221476</link>
		<dc:creator>thizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after reading the articles about moviex i signed up and its not aping the community u morons. just keep ratio at .70 and u dont get banned. that means people actually seed not like public sites where my speed goes slow because people dont seed. dont see how making people seed is raping the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after reading the articles about moviex i signed up and its not aping the community u morons. just keep ratio at .70 and u dont get banned. that means people actually seed not like public sites where my speed goes slow because people dont seed. dont see how making people seed is raping the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Fishin Freak</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-213181</link>
		<dc:creator>Fishin Freak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So whats up with moviex, cant even get to the site, you click on your language and all it does is show the code of the next page, nothing else.
total waste of time, just delete and get on with iy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So whats up with moviex, cant even get to the site, you click on your language and all it does is show the code of the next page, nothing else.<br />
total waste of time, just delete and get on with iy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-3/#comment-212088</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as there are public torrent sites there will be &quot;leechy jerks&quot; and plenty of annoying ads, not to mention the threat of media watchdogs sniffing around for IP&#039;s to report and threaten ISP&#039;s with copyright violations (Peerguardian is only as good as it&#039;s latest update). The dilemma has always been the fairness of sharing practices.  Go onto almost any private tracker site (after registration) and if you&#039;re a noob you&#039;re amazed at how well seeded the torrents are.  It soon becomes apparent that if you can&#039;t seed to the ratio limits set out by the site you end up getting banned even if you have all the intentions and ability to share back what you chosen to DL.  Some private sites will offer not to ban if you at least show an attempt to seed for a predetermined amount of time (tracking your seeding time) but for the most part you just get screwed if you make the poor (noob style) choice of choosing a large yet obscure file to DL, and later realise that no matter how long you seed, there will never seem to be enough leechers to help you get your ratios up to snuff!  Yes, I&#039;ll admit that most of the private sites offer plenty of advice in their forums on how to keep good ratios. You really have to have the patience of Job to pour through and digest the info, then apply the advice and keep your fingers crossed in hopes to keep those precious ratios up. Most noobs are so damn excited to actually get decent speed and plenty of seeds they don&#039;t take the time to read the rules, etc, and get screwed before they know what the hell happened.  The alternative always seems to be the quick fix buying &quot;upload credit&quot;.  Funny how all the good will of &quot;sharing&quot; somehow always turns back to &quot;cash is king&quot; which is exactly what most P2P&#039;s users are trying to avoid in the first place. So, choose your source for media and quit all the belly aching.  If you have the time and inclination, READ what the private sites offer for advice, choose your DL&#039;s on the basis of ratio building for the first little while, then when you believe you&#039;ve reach a rather healthy ratio, then go and get what you were really after(this applies to almost every private site I&#039;ve ever checked out). Don&#039;t have patience? pay up. (still cheaper by a long shot than other legit sources). Or go to the public sites and run the gauntlet of ads, all leechers no seeders, crappy quality, false or incomplete files, and of course all the other internet nasties that can be packaged up. Truth be told, if you have enough time and patience in your search, you&#039;ll find just about anything you want whether it be through private or public torrent sites, never mind the all the other sources with the right connections can get you.  Last word?.....  God Bless the &quot;Scene&quot;, the Internet, and torrents of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as there are public torrent sites there will be &#8220;leechy jerks&#8221; and plenty of annoying ads, not to mention the threat of media watchdogs sniffing around for IP&#8217;s to report and threaten ISP&#8217;s with copyright violations (Peerguardian is only as good as it&#8217;s latest update). The dilemma has always been the fairness of sharing practices.  Go onto almost any private tracker site (after registration) and if you&#8217;re a noob you&#8217;re amazed at how well seeded the torrents are.  It soon becomes apparent that if you can&#8217;t seed to the ratio limits set out by the site you end up getting banned even if you have all the intentions and ability to share back what you chosen to DL.  Some private sites will offer not to ban if you at least show an attempt to seed for a predetermined amount of time (tracking your seeding time) but for the most part you just get screwed if you make the poor (noob style) choice of choosing a large yet obscure file to DL, and later realise that no matter how long you seed, there will never seem to be enough leechers to help you get your ratios up to snuff!  Yes, I&#8217;ll admit that most of the private sites offer plenty of advice in their forums on how to keep good ratios. You really have to have the patience of Job to pour through and digest the info, then apply the advice and keep your fingers crossed in hopes to keep those precious ratios up. Most noobs are so damn excited to actually get decent speed and plenty of seeds they don&#8217;t take the time to read the rules, etc, and get screwed before they know what the hell happened.  The alternative always seems to be the quick fix buying &#8220;upload credit&#8221;.  Funny how all the good will of &#8220;sharing&#8221; somehow always turns back to &#8220;cash is king&#8221; which is exactly what most P2P&#8217;s users are trying to avoid in the first place. So, choose your source for media and quit all the belly aching.  If you have the time and inclination, READ what the private sites offer for advice, choose your DL&#8217;s on the basis of ratio building for the first little while, then when you believe you&#8217;ve reach a rather healthy ratio, then go and get what you were really after(this applies to almost every private site I&#8217;ve ever checked out). Don&#8217;t have patience? pay up. (still cheaper by a long shot than other legit sources). Or go to the public sites and run the gauntlet of ads, all leechers no seeders, crappy quality, false or incomplete files, and of course all the other internet nasties that can be packaged up. Truth be told, if you have enough time and patience in your search, you&#8217;ll find just about anything you want whether it be through private or public torrent sites, never mind the all the other sources with the right connections can get you.  Last word?&#8230;..  God Bless the &#8220;Scene&#8221;, the Internet, and torrents of course!</p>
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		<title>By: Idonno</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-2/#comment-211792</link>
		<dc:creator>Idonno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally an honest post on Moviex. If it weren&#039;t for all the &#039;leechy jerks&#039; there would be no need for a place like Moviex in the first place. I can&#039;t tell you all the times I seed to multiple &#039;leechy jerks&#039; who never return the favor after their torrent completes so I can stop seeding with out cutting everyone off. Over and over people just cut and run after completing their torrent. Moviex has a refreshing policy of requiring a 1.1 to1 ratio and they will automatically ban you for anything less than 70%. I wish it was 110% to make up for the 10% who actually pay to keep the site going (MovieX has no adds and annoying Pop-ups) and therefore don&#039;t have a mandatory ratio. I joined Moviex today After being impressed buy the rules. Realized Moviex was blocked and researched the issue. Moviex posted some very compelling rebuttals Like all the Torrents with the Double trackers do allow non-members to leech (The tracker belonging to MovieX allow non-members to leech but only up to a certain point at witch time they can still seed to moviex. After all they did leech from Moviex. Only fair! And they can continue to leech off the other tracker. If the other tracker is now dead due to all the &#039;leechy jerks&#039; on public trackers Moviex should not be to blame. But it is exactly why more decent P2P&#039;ers will join communities like Moviex and all the &#039;leechy jerks&#039; are complaining. If all P2P&#039;ers were considerate there would be no complaints, Probably no MovieX and plenty of live torrents for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally an honest post on Moviex. If it weren&#8217;t for all the &#8216;leechy jerks&#8217; there would be no need for a place like Moviex in the first place. I can&#8217;t tell you all the times I seed to multiple &#8216;leechy jerks&#8217; who never return the favor after their torrent completes so I can stop seeding with out cutting everyone off. Over and over people just cut and run after completing their torrent. Moviex has a refreshing policy of requiring a 1.1 to1 ratio and they will automatically ban you for anything less than 70%. I wish it was 110% to make up for the 10% who actually pay to keep the site going (MovieX has no adds and annoying Pop-ups) and therefore don&#8217;t have a mandatory ratio. I joined Moviex today After being impressed buy the rules. Realized Moviex was blocked and researched the issue. Moviex posted some very compelling rebuttals Like all the Torrents with the Double trackers do allow non-members to leech (The tracker belonging to MovieX allow non-members to leech but only up to a certain point at witch time they can still seed to moviex. After all they did leech from Moviex. Only fair! And they can continue to leech off the other tracker. If the other tracker is now dead due to all the &#8216;leechy jerks&#8217; on public trackers Moviex should not be to blame. But it is exactly why more decent P2P&#8217;ers will join communities like Moviex and all the &#8216;leechy jerks&#8217; are complaining. If all P2P&#8217;ers were considerate there would be no complaints, Probably no MovieX and plenty of live torrents for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-2/#comment-207166</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why are you muppets all whinging, just dl from here/tpb. once downloaded &amp; you have joined moviex just dl torrent again from there with your own personal key &amp; upload whatever you like. easy to get ratio of 100/1+ as you&#039;re not using your key to download anything from there in the first place only to seed :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why are you muppets all whinging, just dl from here/tpb. once downloaded &amp; you have joined moviex just dl torrent again from there with your own personal key &amp; upload whatever you like. easy to get ratio of 100/1+ as you&#8217;re not using your key to download anything from there in the first place only to seed <img src='http://www.rlslog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wtfever</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-2/#comment-207163</link>
		<dc:creator>wtfever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t look at moviex very closely.  They are a ratio enforced tracker, and their ratio handling is designed to lock out any user that hasn&#039;t paid money.  It&#039;s a total scam.

It is good for paying members of moviex, but for every person that benefits, thousands are screwed over... seeding to people that do not give back and help them complete their torrent.  As a result, your download speed goes down, because you&#039;re peering with people that are leeches.

moviex = tracker for assholse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t look at moviex very closely.  They are a ratio enforced tracker, and their ratio handling is designed to lock out any user that hasn&#8217;t paid money.  It&#8217;s a total scam.</p>
<p>It is good for paying members of moviex, but for every person that benefits, thousands are screwed over&#8230; seeding to people that do not give back and help them complete their torrent.  As a result, your download speed goes down, because you&#8217;re peering with people that are leeches.</p>
<p>moviex = tracker for assholse</p>
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		<title>By: noobcake</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-2/#comment-198146</link>
		<dc:creator>noobcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is this &quot;the scene&quot; everybody is talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is this &#8220;the scene&#8221; everybody is talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Mishkin</title>
		<link>http://www.rlslog.net/moviex-leeching-case-another-point-of-view/comment-page-2/#comment-196840</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ratio is system is quite fair. But for moviex, you have to donwload some crap in order to have a &quot;1.0&quot; ratio.

Stupid isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ratio is system is quite fair. But for moviex, you have to donwload some crap in order to have a &#8220;1.0&#8243; ratio.</p>
<p>Stupid isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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