Microsoft will allow us to download Vista
Microsoft has plans to allow us to download Vista. No, I’m not talking about free, cracked versions, but rather they are allowing consumers to purchase and then download them. It may be an interesting option for someone with a highspeed internet connection: Microsoft has been ramping up Vista promotion efforts in preparation for the January 30th launch of the version tailored to home PCs. A grand Vista event is planned in New York City on the eve of the launch. The company has sold its world-dominating software only on packaged disks since the Redmond, Washington, company opened for business in 1975. On Wednesday, Microsoft revealed Windows Anytime Upgrade, Family Discount, and online Marketplace options it claimed gave customers “greater flexibility” in obtaining its redesigned operating system.
“With the consumer launch of Windows Vista so close, we’re excited to announce three new ways to make the purchase and upgrade experience easier than ever,” said Microsoft marketing manager Brad Brooks. The Anytime option will enable people to upgrade their Windows operating systems to Vista online directly from Microsoft or its authorized partners, according to Microsoft. Suggest prices for upgrades ranged from 79 dollars (US) to 199 dollars, depending on which editions of the software are involved. Only English-language editions of Vista will be available at Windows Marketplace though. However, are these guy really sure it will be such a difference for many users, to click on some download link at Microsoft website or at some warez site? I’m not sure.
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Interesting, anyone know the installation of this ‘upgrade’ will work; Do you have to burn a installer on CD or do you start some kind of installer in your current windows-os?
well whatever it is, i’m quite sure there will be some crack or another workaround which will make it working illegally
lol yeah there is a crack for like anything aye, so there will most likely be a crack for this
I was seriously considering buying Vista for real, as I have loved XP and am quite bored to apply different work-arounds to get things working. But then I saw the pricing of the “Ultimate Vista”-version (the only one I would see as fitting to my needs) and changed my mind. Sad,but true…
I think it will be a good option for those willing to pursue the legal route.
again, Vista is riddled with DRM junk. Don’t get it.
so does OSX but that doesn’t stop the metrosexual sheep from sucking steve job’s **** clamoring to give their money for it.
Yeah, all that DRM is killing Vista for guys like me. I’m probably gonna wait a couple months till the talented crackers have perfected the DRM hacks/cracks and other operational issues, which I’m sure somebody is intently working on right as we speak.
im not getting it
DONT BUY VISTA,its a pile of shit.
Sam your an idiot >.> if you dont install DRM you dont have it >.> i have vista running on my main pc with all movies en mp3 and whatever and thats allot i even use my mp3 player and i got no DRM >.> vista works fine so you all should stop crying ….. about how bad it is…. we almost all got 1 -2GB ram and a good CPU maybe even a dualcore or a quadcore so why thel hell run no vista??? its not that heavy at all…. if you use vista at its best its 500 ram ;/ wooohooo for a 3d interface thats ok and if you dont want that, well… turn it off? go tp xp interface :/ and u use like 300 mb or less :/
While Vista does look to be a very interesting upgrade I think I’ll wait until the first service pack comes out before jumping on the band wagon.
I will get Vista eventually but at present only for the DX10/Games related tech side of things.
I think its a great way of downloading vista “Legally”.
But I still prefare the “Pirates” way of softwares. Free downloads is the best !
if they were stupid they’d setup it up for RIS(Remote Installation Service) and you simply buy the connection info needed to hit their RIS server.
Then you do a RIS based install over your highspeed.
Like i said, if they were stupid.
Kalli
you don’t have the retail home user package, you have the one for businesses that was cracked and released.
So guess what? You have to shut you mouth cause same is correct, the home user version of Vista will contain some tasty DRM treats. It’s hardly a reason to not use it, any DRM can easily be circumvented.
But yeah, copies anyone is running now to my knowledge are actually pretty clean, seeing as these went to huge corporations and Governments, atleast the copy the Government I work for got is clean as a whistle, but still blows donkey dick
vista is pretty good but i wont get it for at least a year or 2 cause of updates for bugs and that
Ive already installed vista and wondered a little aout 30 % cpu usage (athlon 64 @2200 Ghz) after i read an article describing that ists caused by the drm checking mechanisms i stopped using it, what a waste of electricity.
Beside theres no “fast” gf series 7 gpu driver atm, my css frames dropped from around 100 (xp) to barely playable ~30 vista.
i´ve already downloaded an installed vista via msdn network….it works great, you´ve got to choose between 5cds or 1 dvd….had to download the cds because i needed the german version…..
I do not recommend this OS. Expect massive FPS drops in games, as this is OS is not intended for gaming. So, for me, I’ll just stick to XP x64.
http://mandriva.org better than Vista.
yeah and opensuse 10.2 is way better than mandriva seeing as it is the industry (intel) recognised distro and isn’t written for noobs.
Some people here don’t understand how Vista’s DRM works.
Windows Vista has an embedded DRM framework. So Kalli (post #12), you’re WRONG.
Microsoft IS working with Content Providers and encouraging hardware makers to embedded hardware DRM technology. They will try to force it down your throats. They made the mistake last time with DVDs with low bit encryption in their CSS copy-protection. This time, its an entire infrastructure combining software, hardware and copyright laws like DMCA. (or similar in other countries). DRM encryption will be AES-128 for HD-DVD and Blu-ray.
Why do you think High-Definition Content Protection (HDCP) has been incorporated into HDMI? (Which requires you to buy a new video card and display just to view HD content!)…Its not gonna stop there, eventually all hardware will have checks and trigger mechanisms to enforce DRM.
Take a look at this…Straight from the horse’s mouth! (Microsoft)
Output Content Protection and Windows Vista
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/output_protect.mspx
(Read the doc download on the right hand side)
They have set up the framework for controlling you in every single way on Windows Vista. You don’t have to install DRM apps anymore. DRM technology is built INTO the operating system itself!
They will be able to control and affect what you hear, watch, etc…Analog and Digital. Say for HD video, they can reduce the resolution of the quality to make things really blurry, or lower the sound quality, or even scramble the sound, etc.
Do you really want a product that has this control hanging over users? No one in the P2P community would touch it, if they knew the DRM technologies in Vista.
Read this article…
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
Listen to these podcasts
http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
(Listen to Episode 74 and 75)
You would have to be an utter moron to blindly accept Vista. This is EXACTLY what they want you to do!
Windows Vista is a DRM platform itself. Microsoft just doesn’t advertise it, because they know it will kill their sales! No one likes DRM, but they will corner you into accepting it.
By the way, if you think crackers will easily be able to overcome this technology, think again. It will be like AACS on HD-DVD and Blu-ray. They will update it to break the cracks! It will be an endless game of cat and mouse. This will be done via Windows Update or Activation. You won’t know which updates, because they will label updates as “critical” and can embed them with a security update.
If any driver turns out to be “leaking” HD stream, they will band and disable any copyright video or audio from functioning on that driver that is controlling the hardware.
To prevent hardware tampering, Vista will “poll” the hardware a number of times a minute to verify that you are not doing illegal stuff, and that all your hardware has DRM before it allows you to play a copy-protected file. They will also check if there are any electrical fluctuations (usually caused by electrical equipment used for cracking, etc).
So don’t bullshit me about Vista not having DRM. I’ve studied the fucking thing, the framework is there. Microsoft just doesn’t advertise it.
You would have to be an utter MORON to blindly buy, download, or accept Vista without thinking. You can pick any other OS you want, I don’t care…Just don’t pick Vista.
To prevent hardware tampering, Vista will “poll” the hardware a number of times a minute to verify that you are not doing illegal stuff, and that all your hardware has DRM before it allows you to play a copy-protected file. They will also check if there are any electrical fluctuations (usually caused by electrical equipment used for cracking, etc).
Thats what i meant, theres absolutely no option to “not install drm” or similar.
and im not willing to like 5 € more o month for my electricity bill just because vistas drm is checking itself whole the time, imagine all winxp pcs existing are updated to vista, with that amount of wasted energy u could light up whole citys.
For me vista died, to get a fancy gui i can still mod my xp.
tell me oh wise wizard, how does OSX play hd-dvds and blu-ray discs without DRM?
they have the same infection as vista.
it’s hypocritical to point only to vista while at the same time pretending that OSX is pro-consumer.
don’t be a blind dick, any OS that has the ability to play back next gen discs by definition has to be DRM’d.
linux probably won’t ever get such playback and if it does, it will require TPM (trusted computing) chips on the motherboard and the corresponding technology in the cpus to enable it, just like vista and osx.
every single corporation involved in the tech industry is forcing this DRM crap down our throats. take a look at how many devices have DRM and tell me if MS manufactures them all… your cell phone, mp3/mp4 players, consoles, dvd players, etc. all of them have DRM, aka anti-consumer technology. DRM by definition means taking legitimate control away from you and giving it back to the manufacturer; who has no right to it.
don’t only focus on vista because then you might foolishly believe that no other companies that have sold you out… they are all anti-consumer (i.e. you). they only care about getting the most money out of you and DRM helps them do that… ring tones for your cell phone? 2.50 a pop. want to make a copy (which you’re allowed to for backup purposes), sorry the DMCA which was bribed into existence, prevents you from exercising your rights. etc etc
don’t be narrow in your hatred for DRM. it’s in VIRTUALLY every electronic device and software known to man.
DRM means anti-consumer rights (rights that copyright law grants users) and consequently deserves your hatred. if for no other reason, it is motivated by self-interest, after all, you bought it and have the RIGHT to use it any way you wish.
i don’t think it will be a problem playing back hddvd movies on linux because although yes it won’t be supported out of the box a vendor like vlc will make the codec and issue a disclaimer upon installing saying ‘this might not be legal in your country’ the same way as it does now with regular dvd playback (dvd-css).
So just like with dvd playback you won’t be supposed to able to do it but you will, and without DRM.
Afterall you can already rip hdvds with linux. In fact people have been loading slackware on to PS3’s and ripping them.
SF (post #24) says,
tell me oh wise wizard, how does OSX play hd-dvds and blu-ray discs without DRM?
=> To play HD-DVD OR Blu-ray in its full glory (no drop in resolution), you need four components.
* The media player (software),
* The optical drive (whether Blu-ray or HD-DVD)
* Video card with HDMI (That supports HDCP)
* Display with HDMI (That also supports HDCP)
You can play Blu-ray or HD-DVD on other platforms, but they will be at a reduced resolution. (Linux does support Blu-ray reading, but there’s yet to be a software player for it).
The difference, oh clueless one, is that OSX, Linux, Solaris, and any other stinking OS did NOT incorporate a DRM framework as part of the OS, Windows Vista does. There is NO WAY to rip it out, unless you can get your hands on the source code. (not gonna happen, because you are expected to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement).
Other OSs DO NOT have the same integrated DRM features as Vista. They won’t poll the hardware or driver every moment to verify that your system has not been tampered with while its playing DRM content. (the result is that your system will be slower).
You have no clue how other OSs work, let alone DRM technologies in computing solutions. You are completely clueless to the fact that Microsoft IS working with Content Providers in an effort to destroy the PC’s open-ness, and to lock down content.
Haven’t you realised that the Content Providers pay so well, that Microsoft puts these Provider’s interests over their own security issues? Here’s a clear case example.
Quickest Patch Ever
http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,71738-0.html
Those Content Providers know Microsoft has 90%+ of the desktop market. As a result, Windows is the perfect platform to force users into DRM on the PC. Have you realised that? Clearly not, by your blind defence of Vista.
Ever since the beginning, the PC itself was an open platform. Hardware makers USED TO provide specs for the crap they sell. I know, I’ve been working with PCs since 1986. I still have the original IBM specs!
You clearly did NOT read the official Microsoft documentation of their DRM features, nor the potential consequences it can cause (A study conducted by a University Professor)…And you blindly defend them.
Not every bit of hardware has DRM built-in. Even though some MP3 players support DRM’ed WMA, it doesn’t mean they have it in hardware. Such support is in software. (The firmware).
Why do you think it lowers the battery life compared to non-DRM music? (A typical MP3 player has two major components. A RAM chip, and a processor. The little processor on that MP3 player has to do more work when DRM content is being played…More electricity consumed, hence reduced battery life compared to DRM-free music).
And no, not all DVD players have DRM. There are certain shops out there that provide a firmware update to the player to make them region and Macrovision free. Then there’s also the no-name brand players that don’t bother with DRM in the first place. Don’t you remember the special dongles from Germany that bypassed HDCP (used in HDMI)? They are now banned.
By the way, I don’t use that crap called OSX. I’m a Linux user. Apple has the crap EFI (lame effort to improve the BIOS) and TPM chip. (It doesn’t look like the TPM chip is enabled for Content Protection, but to lock the OS to their specific platform).
I went with Linux because that solution allows me to pick what I WANT. (Not some fuckhead who thinks its what’s best for me). It doesn’t force shit down your throat. If you don’t like something, like TPM support, you don’t compile support for it in the kernel. You leave it off.
My IBM ThinkPad has a TPM chip. Its actually intended for network security. I disable it in the BIOS and I don’t add support for it in Linux. I can play any goddamn video clip and music I want.
Both my 19inch LCDs don’t support HDCP (High-Definition Content Protection)…So how does that flow in your statement about all hardware (or devices) having DRM?
You really don’t have a leg to stand on, when you try to defend Vista. You have to be utterly clueless to even try.
So, just a question about Linux…
How do I play DirectX 10 games on Linux?
Just curious, because I’d jump to Linux right after I can play Crysis and Hallgate:London in DirectX 10 with all the whiz-bang-boom of DirectX 10.
So just let me know which Linux distro has DirectX 10 gaming, and I’m all onboard Linux. Until then, Vista is the only platform, DRM infested as it is.