Mega Structures Shanghai Super Tower WS PDTV XviD-FTP
Watching the mega-structure type shows always gets me to wonder in amazement at what the power of technology can do. In this one, again by FTP (keep up the great work) covers the creation of the 101 floor Shanghai World Finacial Centre in mainland China. Warning contains 9/11 propaganda so in order to off-set the imbalance: ae911truth.org
The Shanghai World Financial Centre will, on completion, be mainland China’s tallest building. At 101 floors tall, the skyscraper has been built to withstand anything nature and man can throw at it
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Made in China.
Let’s see how long this will last…
Man… 911 propaganda? Dude.
hahah kurt – made in seattle – let’s see how long he’ll last
*gunshot* ahem…
reading the details ‘built to withstand anything god or man will throw at it’ sounds like a challenge!
I believe it will last forever since it isn’t build in the US territory.
biroad.net links please
i never knew about wtc building 7 till today :O
Any other links for this? Rapidshare or torrents? Thanks
Mr. X is spot on with his take on the propaganda, in fact, I have inside knowledge that there were actually 5 WTC towers that collapsed that day, in fact, another one just fell down a few moments ago. Doubt it will even make the news …god damn U.S gov’t! Also, I’m pissed and obsessed with a country across the world because they have waaay bigger d*ck than me!
lol they clearly show a clip of the thermate cutter charges emitting molten metal from a closeup of one of the WTC buildings. talk about blowing their cover on the whole official story they were pushing for the jet-fuel theory.
http://i27.tinypic.com/14622r.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/nmko0m.jpg
get over it people. 911 is planned by the U.S. idiots
Loose Change 911.
Awesome Movie
children and hippies, the only ppl that believe in cospiracy theories.
whats with all the conspiracy theories?
try watching this
penn and teller are gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-V1bXs_5Io
Anyone got a Strange Wilderness DVDrip? Think he retail come out this week so I don’t know if I missed the non-cam rip
Mr. X you are an idiot! As a former FDNY paramedic who saw BOTH planes hit with his own two eyes, I find it hard to believe the WTC was wired with explosives. How would you wire buildings the size of the WTC with explosives without having any of the more than 50,000 people that work there notice?
Martin, we come to this site for news about releases, NOT to have loony propaganda shoved down our throats!
Mr. X said, “lol they clearly show a clip of the thermate cutter charges emitting molten metal from a closeup of one of the WTC buildings. talk about blowing their cover on the whole official story they were pushing for the jet-fuel theory.”
Hmm… 900,000 lb Hunk of metal with a load of JET FUEL, or “thermate cutter charges” shown in a grainy ass 1980’s point and click camera shown from National Geographic site. Why haven’t they opened a formal investigation again?!
P.S. I also have inside information on this also, the U.S. government ac
Thanks for the release, but we dont need your propaganda fed to us, take it out this is a rls site not a personal opion one. If you belive the US rigged this up your an utter complete moron, grow up.
Mr. X said, “lol they clearly show a clip of the thermate cutter charges emitting molten metal from a closeup of one of the WTC buildings. talk about blowing their cover on the whole official story they were pushing for the jet-fuel theory.”
Hmm… 900,000 lb Hunk of metal with a load of JET FUEL, or “thermate cutter charges” shown in a grainy ass 1980’s point and click camera shown from National Geographic site. Why haven’t they opened a formal investigation again?!
P.S. I also have inside information on this also, the U.S. government actually controls National Geographic, they released these picture of the “thermate cutter charges” so they could get madd hits for Google ads, now they are banking off you’re asses! You poor fools! You will never outsmart us! Also our D*ck is still waay bigger than yours and your little man complex is duly noted!
Take a look at the collapse of building 7 of WTC. then you will have serious doubt about the official and the only one investigation.
there’s a good enough evidence to suspect that 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111
you paramedical noobs
I had a question are tv show torrents illegal.like dvdrip torrents are illegal.but tv shows are free to air.are they copyrighted or somethin
re: 13
you find it hard to believe they were wired with explosives because you do not know about the elevator ‘modernization’ plan, possibly used to put the military grade explosives in the building’s core.
16: how tough is it to figure out jet fuel does not burn hot enough to weaken the high-grade steel of the WTC. there are a million 911 truth websites, and ones such as the ae911 website that engineers have busted this a million times over. as for the ‘why havent a formal investigation’ argument it could be because you’ve never heard of something called a media blackout.
17. personal attacks are immature. if you don’t know that the US has partaken and planned many operations of ‘false flag terrorism’ in the past, it’s not too hard to make the connection as a reasoning for the 911 attacks as well. if you don’t learn about history you’re doomed to repeat it. morons like you especially like to come here and post ignorant comments.
can some one reply @20
The insults always coming from the side of “anti-america” are the always blatantly obvious ‘tell’ to most people with 2 eyes of extreme bias and agenda. At least try and hide it by talking as if you’re coming from an understand point of view, cause sh!t, you aren’t fooling anybody.
@20
Yes they are.
“17. personal attacks are immature. if you don’t know that the US has partaken and planned many operations of ‘false flag terrorism’ in the past, it’s not too hard to make the connection as a reasoning for the 911 attacks as well. if you don’t learn about history you’re doomed to repeat it. morons like you especially like to come here and post ignorant comments.”
Pot meet kettle? Come on now Mr. X you are going to have to show some signs of being somewhat philosophically adept, before we can start taking your judgments on the evidence that you have have presented before us.
Honestly though I haven’t really looked into it very much, cause I mean… why would the U.S. Gov’t take such a great risk of getting caught over this just so they can kill their own family members and friends or acc at the very least, cause that’s what they would have been doing. Big money in the Towers = our U.S. Gov’t
How to download this? those links dont give anything
This thread reminds me of the time when the U.S. Government forgot to put stars in the background of the moon landing. They’ll just have to jot this down on a notepad so they remember not to show the ‘thermate cutter charges’ next time.
Mr. X, if the US government blew up the WTC with the intention of going to war with Iraq and Afghanistan, why didn’t the US government plant some WMDs in Iraq to justify the war? If the US government is so good at keeping these conspiracies a secret, why couldn’t they keep things like the Watergate scandal out of the papers? Or the Iran-Contra, I could go on all night…
And Mr.X the fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn’t have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
CIVITATIS NOVI EBORACI, ummm… steel doesn’t really need this so called “strength” to hold up buildings like the WTC, that’s usually reserved for the big ones, so stop it with your propaganda already!
Does anyone remember that the goverment was doing a terrisom test on the same day this happend, and mr x is right about the steel it has been proven so many times, im not sayin the goverment has did this but someone has done this within are own country to cover up alot of things, its called pretend are country is getting hit and terrision and it gives u the right to invade any country you feel i forget the word for it i wish i could remember… everything bout the 9/11 things most are false but there is so much evidence to back up so many things the steel, the one building that feel like if there was a demolition going on, which was the most crazy evidence of them all, there where explosives in the basement of the trade centers videos of the buildings and the bombs going off do your research people the usa sucks the goverment rules all, corperations, we are going downhill bush wanted to get to iraq for oil this whole country is going down and its the republicans fault for voting bush in, in the first place
It is kinda ridiculous to think that WTC was destroyed with explosives… I mean if you’re going to have a comment like that over the death of over a thousand people, where’s your credibility? Seriously, you’re speaking like you know every detail such as “you find it hard to believe they were wired with explosives because you do not know about the elevator ‘modernization’ plan, possibly used to put the military grade explosives in the building’s core.” So, modernization plan? Why don’t you tell us more about it, Mr.X. Or it is just another mumbo jumbo you saw on TV or read off the “forums”? http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:GhxftwB9R7sJ:www.infowhores.co.uk/11-9-2001.html+melting+point+of+high+grade+steel+was+used+in+WTC&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us look at the link, it requires only about 300*C to begin to weaken the steel. With the intense heat caused by the airplane fuel, don’t you think it’s more than enough to weaken the steel structures of the building? Seriously, conspiracy without actual evidences is weak. What’s the point of destroying a financial building to risk stalling/lagging the economy? For Christ’s sake, our President is a Republican. The majority of business owners and rich people are Republican. So, what’s the point of doing something to affect the economy and risk losing their money? Well, think about it. Would you be stupid enough to go out and mess up your economy so you could lose money?
Damn..hate to be on the top floor in that building.
bush has already screwed ar economy up havent u noticed or are you blind ?????????
is there any adrive links for this pls? im ofcourse referring to the mega structures ep..
“that’s usually reserved for the big ones” what? what big ones?
In all fairness when Mr. X wrote that qoute about the elevator plans I’m betting 90% percent of the readers realized he was talking completely out of his a$$ at that point. Especially when this info was a supplement to the big tip off, “thermate cutter charges’ you guys seen them? They are absolutely fascinating.
Here, lets take a look at them again.
http://i27.tinypic.com/14622r.jpg
I know that one was awesome and absolutely shocking ancient rock painting, but just wait till you check out this one!
http://i25.tinypic.com/nmko0m.jpg
All I can say is wow, wow, WOW!
if anyone wants this i can create some invites to get it from funfile.org leave me a message here cheers tony.
by the way i now have a new computer after my other one overheated.now running a amd2 5600 with vista home prem 64.
link pls…
guys, can we please cut hte argument and post the vid links? megashares? rapidshares even? or whatever yall can do
sorry my credits for invites have being disable ill talk to the admin.
Where are the rapidshare files?
MrX is just an attention whore who trolls often with no regard to whom she offends.I suspect, simply to raise hit count on her mediocre and unintelligible posts…
Reality check Science from a CREDIBLE source on a website that wasn’t “made at home”
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
Loose Change Tin Foil Battalions arguments destroyed
http://youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1d0XEHahJ2Q
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm3Zc7D8I
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpckijMVe3I
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fEg6XEP-Cig
Testing… testing… anyone been having problems with their messages not being diplayed?
no download links!!!
links please links please links please links please links please links please links please links please
Thanks for this post Mr X! Any chance of RS links pleaaase people?
um OT i guess, What do you call it when they show days of construction in a few minutes , tht really looks amazing
Yeah mr. x that 9/11 truth link? WTF that just shows your stupidity in so many ways
i agree with Mr X
i could understand a building collapsing, but i dont see how a building that size could collapse straight down and at free fall (or near) speed after not being on fire for very long
and how could a basic fire cause the same event to happen in #7?
“i could understand a building collapsing, but i dont see how a building that size could collapse straight down and at free fall (or near) speed after not being on fire for very long”
you dont see how?
are you a structural engineer?
conspiracy movies are as much filled with propaganda than the news on the TV.
Theres prolly some truth but still a lot is just plain bull…
the reason those theories are so popular is coz everyone hates bush and america.
9/11…Rooseveltian tactics,just like what Franklin did in the WWII Pearl Harbor attack, intercept communications, prepare for the imminent attack, sacrifice a few,grab the right for the much greater global political and economic interest of the United States. Pearl Harbor + 9/11…two historical excuses for the United States to go for official war.
lots of babble and no links
here you go guys.
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4170173
9/11 conspiracy BS aside, does anyone have download links or a torrent for this? I like watching these architectural shows, but I can’t find this anywhere.
im just seeding it.
apparently if you call people stupid that buy into the whole 911 conspiracy theory, then your comments here will not be posted. Get over your obsession with America. There are tons of countries I can’t stand, but that fact doesnt make its way into all my posts on the internet. I do find it funny that so many people act like they know everything when they have NO IDEA what’s really going on. I wish our love for the scene would transcend our hate for humanity here.
I am sorry I got to stick up for my Government this time…Most of you all sound like the smartest cats in the world, but with the dumbest ideals…about bombs being planted, that is a funny one(maybe in 1993), we used it to go to war, still laughing….Do we risk going to war with other countries over wanting to go to war with Afgan? Wasn’t other counties in the trade center, so by us blowing up the trade center or allowing it didn’t we mess with their economic growth, or financial growth? Now we would be going to war with 30 countries, but are we no we are not? As for the jet-fuel theory you all are not looking at the bigger picture…You are right the jet-fuel doesn’t get hot enough to melt steel, but paper does it gets up to 2500 degrees if the conditions are right, and at 110 stories I think it was right back drafts takes fires and turns them into a bomb, by just opening up a door……And seeing these was offices, got a lot of paper, wood for the desks so yes a lot of fuel…Now lets think about the stress placed on the building. The jet was 159 ft long 156 feet wide, and 395,000lbs if full of fuel…and flying at Mach 0.80 or 530mph(851Kmh)…Yes I am pretty sure from the impact at the weakest point of the structure(top)compromised the integrity of the steel for all 47 columns constructing the core…The best way I can put it is a wrecking ball they are normally 1000lbs to 12000lbs and they take a building down with less impact…Or take your finger push your forehead push hard enough you will fall…One thing I know we did not do this to our country friends and families…But thanks for the share…
oh now Alian Robert will be pleased. a new building to climb
Censor my comments Mr.X? Get a life. If you cant debate like a rational person, dont open your mouth.
I just want to say thank you for such a great site. However I come here for movies not to have somebody force their beliefs on me.It ticks me off that I have to read this junk in a forum like this. I dont come on the site and leave comments about my personal beliefs and I dont want to hear yours either, especially about a topic this touchy. Just tell me if the picture quality is good ..
Agreed!
rapidshare?
p.s. anyone arguing over this with mrx is a tool. cant you judge his intelligence from his posts?
I don’t appreciate the propaganda comment, or anything similar, on what should be a scene release website.
@saywhy.
I still can not find these damn jet engines on Pentagon lawn. Even though I am using Mac with Windows XP SP3 installed and looking at photos made at different angles and times right after impact.
911? get over it. was it a sad/horrible thing? yes. do i feel bad for the families that have lost a loved one? very much so.
but to be honest, there are far more worse things happening in the world which most of us will never even hear about, just because it doesn’t involve westerners.
but make no mistake, don’t let your emotions or anger misguide you into believing everything the government throws at you. to blindly believe that 911 was a straightforward terrorist attack masterminded by osama is easy, everyone is capable of doing that.
to not even take into consideration, that there might be a bigger truth behind all of it, is just plain naive. who knows, maybe the whole thing was exclusively masterminded by some very very powerful people, more powerful than the president. maybe the government didn’t even know about it. we as observers will never find out the whole truth.
Most American are to stupid to even doubt anything told to them, why else would they be dumb enuff to vote for Bush even after his first term.I guess American like the way he kill all over the world.American only care bout them selves and will kill anybody or take over any country they want to maintain power there worse then Nazi cause they are more stupid
If you REALLY want a doc about 9/11 Without the conspiracy theories, try “Truth & Lies of 9/11″ Follow the paper trail, as the guy says, the main reason American’s don’t believe is because ‘They don’t read.’ The answers are right under your noses in the public domain, yet you don’t have the noodles to investigate and read them for yourselves.
shame.
netload or file factory links?
23, 25, 27, 28, 31, 36, 43, 49, 51, 52
I would like these people to attempt to explain to me, by backing up their ‘official story’ they are pushing, to explain the progressive, free-fall speed of building 7 of the WTC. And no, it was not damaged enough by wreckage or fires to make it collapse like that. Any sane person watching the collapse of building 7 can conclude something fishy was going on. not to mention all those ‘coincedental’ corporations that had office in building 7, but that’s irrelavent to it collasping like that, right ?
and especially reserved for 59:
explain how you never heard that the WTC buildings were strategically desinged for the impact of 737 airplanes (the biggest commercial airlines at the time)
how do you explain that the weakest point of the tower is at the top ? the tower was essentially a ‘mesh’ screen on the outside, sort of like your screen door in your kitchen. you push a pencil through the screen and it still stands. at the centre of all this mesh, lays a huge steel core. this was the design idea for the WTC buildings. futhermore if fire hypothesys you are pushing were to hold true, you would just see the top segment of the building with impact completely topple over, not become pulverized into concrete and steel meteorites. remember it’s a fact that no high-rise building has ever progressivesly collapsed at free-fall speed, due to fires.
WHERE IS RAPIDSHARE LINK?
You have to congratulate the Bush administration on getting Al-Qaeda to go along with the whole airplane thing. (sarcasm off)
I’ve seen on tv building been demolished and them setting up the charges in specific points in the building. for the explosion. so that the build falls striate down so it doesn’t damage the builds around it.and when i saw the wtc falling it reminded me of that.so you have to ask your would a plane hitting the wtc like that so high cores the building to fall the way it did.
76 posts and not one RS link
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
What I want to know is this…
If two airliners caused the steel in the two towers to weaken and collapse, then why was melted steel found under all THREE buildings? Not weakened steel under the buildings, but melted steel. What could do that?
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/red_hot_ground_zero_low_quality.wmv
Also…
After two airliners have been hijacked and flown into the wtc towers, how in the world did a third airliner even reach the Pentagon. The airspace around the Pentagon and Washington is restricted and wouldn’t they be on lookout for a plane heading that way? Don’t they have airforce bases close by on alert? Does the Pentagon have surface to air missiles? And what is up with Norman Minetas testimony in front of the 911 commission, and why didn’t it make it in their final report?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
This is just some of my questions, I have lots more.
The BEST post are the ones you want to download, but there are no links
It’s time to get rid of Mr X.
Somehow he’s forgotten this is a RELEASE SITE.
RS links:
http://rapidshare.com/files/112272704/Mega.Structures.Shanghai.Super.Tower.WS.PDTV.XviD-FTP.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/112276513/Mega.Structures.Shanghai.Super.Tower.WS.PDTV.XviD-FTP.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/112280516/Mega.Structures.Shanghai.Super.Tower.WS.PDTV.XviD-FTP.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/112284635/Mega.Structures.Shanghai.Super.Tower.WS.PDTV.XviD-FTP.part4.rar
no pass.
Thanks DBZ, 80 comments without a link or torrent, the rest of you are farcking lame.
Twelve contains the numbers one and two, just like the toilet yesterday where somebody went number two instead of number one! And one and two with 911 and you get 914! Drop the 4 and it’s 91! Exactly the score Kyle got on his spelling test twelve days after 9/11! Who has the most to gain from 9/11?! Kyle! Who was nowhere to be found the morning the towers fell?! Kyle! Who dropped the deuce in the urinal?! Kyle! But probably the most damning of all is the evidence seen in this photo of Tower 2! When I zoomed in I saw what first appeared to be a blur, but when I computer-enhanced it, You almost got away with it, you sneaky butt hole.
Dbz. thanx for RS links….
cheers DBZ muchos grassyarse
the whole thing is stupid…terrorists tried to attack the wtc before and failed so they did again and succeeded
i love the notion that bush some how outsmarted 99.9% of americans (except for people like you Mr. X) but in any other situation hes a illiterate redneck
also lets say the government wanted to goto war for oil…why then would they set up a democratic government that recieves all the revenues…before the iraq war saddam was pumping out more oil that he was supposed to under opec
the whole idea goes back to a lone ranger psychology….that it takes one good guy to do away with a bunch of bad guys but it takes a bunch of bad guys to do something so terrible
LOL Mr.X, it’s like you say “I believe Intelligent Design is real, now prove me wrong.” You discredit yourself when asking people to explain or provide proofs for your theory. That is just ridiculous. Were you there when the towers fall? Were you the one that came and touched and investigated the Ground Zero? How do you know that it was a designed incident? Show us the proofs beside what you “see” on TV. We do not trust your eyes, Mr.X. Do you remember how long it took for human to realize the Earth is not flat and that the sun does not rotate around the Earth. Seeing can be deceiving. Judging by your statement “remember it’s a fact that no high-rise building has ever progressivesly collapsed at free-fall speed, due to fires”, you do not major in or study science, do you? How do you know it’s a fact, Mr.X? How do you know your statement will be true for every situation and scenario? I mean with the credential of the government vs. your credential, I wonder who would I believe in? You did not even tell us where you are from, but you seem to be somewhat “anti-American”. Unless you provide evidences more than your “eye evidences”. All of these conspiracies are weak. Hypothesis is just another falsify statement. Providing evidences more than what you see, the actual evidences please. And please, please, please…… providing evidence instead of giving us more and more non sense hypothesis and asking us to go proving your hypothesis is false.
Lol useless fighting on the internet,
almost like the special olimpics, u may win, but ur still ret*rded
LOL mr t is like “media cant lie to us, I wont believe it noo noo noo noo”.
This document below will really open your eyes:
http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3650648/Loose_Change_2nd_Edition_-_911_Conspiracy_-_Perfect_Quality.3650648.TPB.torrent
http://911.magnify.net
And the best post award goes to #82 and #87!! Good job guys!!! You made the most sense.
Ok, this is funny stuff. Mr. X has got nothing… so now,and ever so predictably, he tries to take a sidestep by then asking for us to prove that somebody(who he himself doesn’t even know is) didn’t actually plant a bomb. Nice. If nothing else, that some good comedic relief.
You guys realize that a 747 was also flown into the Pentagon right? Did they pick straws to determine what side of the building they were going to blow up? Actually…I’m starting to think I’ve gotten ‘had’ here, that you’re really actually just throwing sh!t out there to fuel hits to the site.
If that’s not the case then it’s pretty obvious all you’re trying to do is convince people by finding whatever means to to try and reach the end that you so desperately want to believe be true, I hope for your sake that most of your beliefs are void of this irrational line of thinking. The radicals are NEVER right. If you want to do the world good, change yourself for the better first, cause that’s the only thing you can control, if everyone did that, there would be a whole lot less problems in our world.
who cares about 9/11 it was like 7 years ago, move on people
I love this site, but if mr.x keeps it up I will revert back to NFO’s, samples & IMDB ratings to get my release info. That is all release log uses. They don’t even watch the releases before they get commented on. If you have anymore useless garble to sputter out just keep it to yourself b/c you sound like an ignorant pr1ck and you instantly lose credibility with half your readers.
Please look at this !
this make me wonder
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCr8CyG1Sg
Just God will know what was
and he will be punished
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCr8CyG1Sg
I Can`t Belive it !!!
maybe will know that someday
i`m sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QAh0rBrew
2 aircraft allways suspicios
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QAh0rBrew
everything will be know some day
At 77 , Duffy
“Thanks DBZ, 80 comments without a link or torrent, the rest of you are farcking lame. ”
look at post 55 and see torrent , learn to read lamer.
Thanks a lot for the RS links!!!
HERE IS THE LINK GUYS !!!!
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4170173
FOR THIS TORRENT !!!
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4170173
GOOD LUCK !!!
what a useless argument with 91 and 86, cant even begin to rant about how brainwashed and hopeless they are
http://rapidshare.com/files/112319710/ftp-natgeomegastructuresshanghaisupertowerwspdtvxvid.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/112326067/ftp-natgeomegastructuresshanghaisupertowerwspdtvxvid.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/112332165/ftp-natgeomegastructuresshanghaisupertowerwspdtvxvid.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/112338439/ftp-natgeomegastructuresshanghaisupertowerwspdtvxvid.part4.rar
password
http://www.forum-maximus.net
I’ve come to this debate far too late but firstly lemme say that when I was kid most people believed that more than one person (L Oswald) shot the lowlife Kennedy. Now peeps got really obssesed by it much like this whole tower 7 thing except in that plot it was the ‘4th bullet’. Eventually as time and logic prevailed people came to see how it is one bloke could off the prez of amerika. But they were so obsessed by the conspiracy by right wingers thing with kennedy they never looked at what really happened to Martin Luther King.
A lot of the obsession about wtc stems from an unwillingness to believe 14 middle class egyptian grad students could wreak so much havoc without some sort of ‘big plan’. The root of the theories are essentially racist an unwillingness to believe that a handful of ‘ragheads’ could cause so much destruction. It is assisted with the ridiculous assertions by the state security apparatus of amerika who failed to prevent the attack, then claiming that every arab nationalist since Saladin was in on the plot. Maybe some others helped with the money but the plot was essentially planned and implemented by the men who died that day. OBL had nothing to do with it but in between his boasts and amerikan alphabet soups (cia, fbi, nas etc) ass covering most peeps have been deluded into believing that he did. Because the official story is full of lies peeps who don’t want to face the fact that nothing can be protected from a band of people who are smart and determined, have fallen for all the insane theories. People who reckoned kennedy was assassinated by wingers also couldn’t face the reality; that one man could kill the prez so easily.
There is a great article on the physics of how the wtc collpsed here.
http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html
The bloke who wrote its a respected physics professor with no ax to grind
he also explains what happened in building 7 here:
http://www.counterpunch.org/darkfire11282006.html
@Mr X quoted is you just throwing that out there….
“and especially reserved for 59:
explain how you never heard that the WTC buildings were strategically desinged for the impact of 737 airplanes (the biggest commercial airlines at the time)”….Well Mr.X explain to me how you heard that the WTC buildings were strategically designed for the impact of a Boeing 767? Which is 2 times the size of the above 737 that you stated? Did your studies show you along the way that it was really a 707 that it was design for and not the 737? http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm So at this point I am done speaking about jets, for I see you just type to speak with out any full meaning behind them….But to answer your question no I never had heard about the WTC being designed for the 737…Sorry I missed that one,like I said I thought it was 707…”how do you explain that the weakest point of the tower is at the top ?” Do I really have to I mean honestly come on, for you to sit there and ask me that is a little crazy but okay…Where is the foundation at in a building? The top point is not braced to anything only the bottom part is…Which for a skyscraper the foundation support beams are where? Drilled into bedrock…..So the top point sways as the bottom foundation stays firm….Weakest point the top for a freestanding structure…As for “the tower was essentially a ‘mesh’ screen on the outside, sort of like your screen door in your kitchen. you push a pencil through the screen and it still stands. at the center of all this mesh, lays a huge steel core.” Yeah you lost me…I know under OSHA rules you have to have safety nets around the building so one doesn’t fall out or things doesn’t fall off, but it is way thicker then what you are saying you can poke a pencil through…So you are telling me when you seen the jet fly into the side and come out the opposite side the 47 steel beam core did not become damaged? Yes the structure was truly compromised at that point in time…You really don’t deal with construction do you? So I am going to leave that one alone as well…
One last thing….”furthermore if fire hypothesis you are pushing were to hold true, you would just see the top segment of the building with impact completely topple over, not become pulverized into concrete and steel meteorites. remember it’s a fact that no high-rise building has ever progressively collapsed at free-fall speed, due to fires.” As for the fire it could hold true for paper really does get up to 2500 degrees when the conditions are right…In them buildings everything would be backed up electronically and by paper so lots of it…You would have to would, you trust 50 million dollars just by disk? I know I wouldn’t…I am sure they had gas lines running through out the building we know they had fuel underground and 4 inch main gas lines(which did catch on fire), we also know that the elevator shafts go straight down…So the fire and could of traveled down the shafts with the oxygen flow in them shafts I am sure it help spread…
And no I am not brained washed….I just have my own thoughts and ideals and that is what I am using nothing more nothing less…Thank you for the Debate Mr.X
I don’t know the truth about that day but what I do know is, it’s just as ignorant and a whole lot more dangerous to accept what your told than to come up with or listen to some out there theories.
Conspiracy theories is an unfortunate term in todays world, any idea which seeks to challenge events with a seemingly obvious cause seems to be branded a conspiracy theory. This is no light term either, it carries a vast weight of negative connotations, nobody with a professional image to uphold wants to be tarred with this brush.
This is all very convenient. As a society we are being taught to reject alternative viewpoints, to close our minds to the possibility of the extraordinary and even to ridicule and stereotype those who would suggest alternative views. However the people feeding us the supposed truth, the reality, are our governments and our media.
Were being led down a path where we will give up our freedom of speech and our civil liberties all because of supposed truths and were not doing anything about it because to believe such an idea, you would have to be a crazy conspiracy theorist nutjob.
This is rather Orwellian I agree and I am in no way saying that I believe 9/11 was a result of a Governmental plan. Just that sometimes you can walk to far down a route to turn back.
Whichever side your looking at this issue from, I urge you to read about the “H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007″ and to please keep an open mind.
I can’t believe some people still think that the official WTC story is the truth. You people are so brainwashed. I see that a big argument is that steel loses half it’s strength at a certain temperature. If so, why does the building collapse straight down, and at almost terminal velocity? Idiots. Open your eyes.
So wheres the torrent? I love megastructures
i live and work quite close to that building. its next to the Jianmao tower. and its quite amazing standing next to it
Screw Loose Change is the best 9/11 movie I’ve ever seen…
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i am being blocked from expressing my thoughts on this site. clever, as i can post this and my above post, but if i talk of conspiracys, it wont post… wow
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Since you can’t be bothered to actually click on links provided by other posters, here is an article that addresses your concerns about free falling buildings…
Physics Problem Number 1 — Free Fall of the WTC Towers
“How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2), speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from a similar height in vacuum (with no air resistance)?” (NIST FAQ #6)
The suspicion behind this question is that the Towers were weakened by surreptitious, controlled demolitions. In this view, the structure below the impact zone (where airplanes collided, exploded, and fires burned) “should have” provided resistance to the descent of the block above the impact zone, slowing or even stopping the collapse.
The NIST response is that the lower structure was only designed to hold up the weight above any given floor statically, not dynamically. The force imparted by the collision of the upper block was beyond the limits of the lower structure to resist. The lower structure was essentially crumbled by a “hammer” of descending material, and the mass of this hammer increased during the course of the collapse.
Let’s explore further.
¦ Problem 1, Force Balance
Once the framing in the impact zone has failed, the upper block is accelerated by gravity until it crashes into the lower structure below the impact zone. Labeling the mass of the upper block m, and its speed v, the block would have a momentum m*v and an energy of (1/2)*m*v^2. Its weight would be m*g, where g is the constant of gravitational acceleration (9.81 meters/second^2).
The balance of forces on the upper block as it impacts the lower structure is presented here as the impulse momentum form of Newton’s 2nd Law:
The time rate of change of momentum = The sum of the forces,
[m*v(final) - m*v(initial)]/dt = F – m*g.
Here, positive direction, velocity and force are taken to be vertically upward; dt is a label for “delta t”, a very brief time interval during which the impact occurs and the momentum changes from m*v(initial) to m*v(final); and F is the force of resistance by the lower structure. If A is the net horizontal cross-sectional area of the load-bearing columns of the lower structure, then F/A is the average compressive stress across that area.
This type of force balance is applied to the impact at each floor, sequentially, by redefining m as the mass above it, v(initial) as the outcome of the alternating floor impacts and free falls during prior compaction, and v(final) as the outcome of the latest impact.
We can regroup the terms of the force balance as follows:
F = m*g + m*[v(final) - v(initial)]/dt,
F = m*g*[1 + {v(final) - v(initial)}/(g*dt)],
F/(m*g) = 1 + {v(final) – v(initial)}/(g*dt).
Before each building was perturbed, the upper block did not have any motion, v(initial) = v(final) = 0, and the magnitude of the upward-directed, resisting force of any part of the structure was equal to the weight of material above it; F/(m*g) = 1.
When an upper block drops through an impact zone that has lost structural strength, and crashes into the rigid lower structure, it imparts a dynamic force in addition to its weight. The dynamic force is the second term in the last expression for F. The total force, F, acts during the time interval dt during which the momentum of the upper block is reduced (in magnitude) from m*v(initial) to m*v(final). Clearly, the lower structure will crumble when F is greater than the maximum force it can support, or when F/A is greater than the maximum stress it can withstand.
¦ Problem 1, Numerical Example of Progressive Collapse
Free fall without air resistance from a height H takes time T, given by
T = square root [(2*H)/g].
At any time 0 < t < T during the free fall, the velocity is given by
v(t) = -g*t, (negative sign for downward direction),
and position is given by
h(t) = H – (1/2)*g*t^2.
So, for H = 440 m (=1443 feet) the free fall time is T = 9.5 s, and the velocity slamming into the ground is -92.9 m/s = -208 mph.
What actually happened in the buildings? We consider a suggestive numerical example.
With the onset of failure, the upper block drops through a space of L = 3 meters, taken to be the distance between floors. Starting from rest at time t = 0, the block reaches a velocity of v = -7.7 m/s at t = 0.78 s. The descending block makes contact with the topmost stationary floor of the lower structure.
We will assume these floor structures to be dL = 1 meter thick (1 meter = 3.28 feet). Each floor structure is a framework of steel below and within a layer of concrete. The floors spanned a distance of between 10 m and 20 m between the outer square perimeter (63.4 m a side) and the core support along the axis of the building, which housed elevator shafts, stairwells and support columns, within a rectangular area of [42 m x 27 m].
Impact is a very brief process whose duration is dt = 1/100 s. During the impact, energy ripples through the floor structure as elastic waves in the steel and concrete; the velocity of these stress waves is V(steel) = 1900 m/s and V(concrete) = 930 m/s; the wave speed is a property of the material (P-waves). The waves traverse the thickness of the floor structure in a time dL/V = 5/10,000 s for steel and 1/1000 s for concrete, so they can bounce between 10 to 20 times across the 1 m thickness; and they can run along the span of the floor within 0.005 to 0.01 s.
The waves alert the volume of the floor structure to the imposition of a new load, and infuse that volume with much higher stress. The floor structure is deflected downward a distance d = -0.077 meters (3 inches) during impact. In becoming stressed, the floor structure absorbs some of the energy of the descending block, slowing it by dv = 0.5 m/s (in this example). Within dt = 1/100 s, the floor structure has transmitted the force of the new load to its joints with the building’s core and periphery.
Recalling the last form of the force balance, and inserting the numbers from this example, we find the magnitude of the total reaction force to be
F/(m*g) = 1 + dv/(g*dt) = 1 + 0.5/(9.81*0.01) = 6.1,
a load of six times the weight of the upper block.
I continued this particular calculation, floor by floor, as a sequence starting from rest: free fall for 3 m, impact delays transit for 0.01 s and decreases descent velocity by 0.5 m/s, free fall for 3 m, transit delay and velocity decrement as before, and so on. The block reaches the ground in 10 s with a total of 87 floor impacts. The collapse of 344 m (1128 feet) accelerates from -7.2 m/s (-16 mph) after the initial impact, to -46 m/s (-104 mph) at the ground.
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Shame on you believing in the 911 truthers. They are almost worse than Holocaust deniers. We have plenty wrong with our country and blatant and verifiable evidence of the Bush regime’s attempt at repressing information regarding our horrible war in Iraq and you decide to believe these conspiracy nuts? Its sad more than anything. Richard Dawkins, the editor of Skeptic magazine, Popular Mechanics, Rolling Stone Magazine, have all debunked their horrible claims but you continue to believe the lies. Not everything can be explained, their is no scientific method that would confirm every detail out there. Stop perpetuating lies and work on moving our country to a more optimistic future.
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I think the US used a laserbeam from a satelite to make the towers fall. The Energy you would need can be calculated (r³*m+c²/c*p). Clearly they borrowed the technology from Marsians or Jupitarians, because Earthling are yet not capable of using that much power in a laserbeam(Not even the REAL government of the US – I’m not talking about GWB).
You all should get your facts straight. It’s so obvious, you just have to watch the right “documentaries”.
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It’s made by the german guys from ThyssenKrupp AG!!!
So it’s not really made by Chinese guys!!!
LINK for German: http://www.thyssenkrupp.de/
LINK for English: http://www.thyssenkrupp.com/en/index.html
Chinese are not able to create such a great building, without Germans best building creators!!!
^actually, americans designed this building & mr.x got pwned by that article from comment 101. I bet you feel stupid now after acting like you were right there at building 7 when it “blew up” LOL.
Reading these comments has made me lose faith in humanity. Probably the worst comments are the ones calling people brainwashed and stupid for not believing that 9/11 was a conspiracy. I think the definition of stupidity is blindly believing the intellectually dishonest claims of some kids who dubbed their voices over 9/11 clips and called it a documentary. If you’re so confident in your beliefs there is no harm in going out there and googling “loose change debunk”. Do yourself a favor and read how every single point that has ever been brought up has been thoroughly debunked.
Mr. X, do you realize your statement that we are brainwashed is kinda ….. sad??? Why don’t you ask yourself if you are brainwashed with the stupidity of conspiracy? Maybe you are just one of those boys/girls who lost their common sense. Brainwashed by media? Asking yourself where did you hear the conspiracy from? And is your source’s credibility better than the mainstream news’s credibility? That just totally proved that your credibility is no longer there. Ok look, imagining that the conspiracy was true, tell me what’s the point of the conspiracy? What’s the benefit? What’s the point of destroying our own building in order to go to war instead of going with premptive strike like the Iraq War? What kind of moron would do that? Where’s your common sense really? I am a skeptic myself. I took critical thinking classes in school not for requirement, but for understanding and analyzing different sources of news. Asking yourself, what’s the benefit for the conspiracy? Would those people, who began the conspiracy, benefit from this? Obviously yes, they will be benefit from this in some way. If you think yourself as a person of science, at least showing proofs instead of non sense hypothesises that can’t be tested. We already knew that governments are never trueful about everything. That’s the way thing is. All we have to do is being skeptic about the sources of the news and analyze them to tell whether they make sense or not instead of believing in all of these mumbo jumbo.
I appreciate this site, visit daily, and click ad links to help out. I found the Mr. X propaganda remarks out-of-place and unprofessional. Also rather juvenile and foolish. I am sorry to see them.
I commented a few days ago about this is a great site keep the personal beliefs out of it..etc etc. I just today managed to come back to this site and to see mr-x is a staff member has completely and forever changed my opinion on this site. The truth of it is yes govt. lie ..anyone who says other is an idiot. However it makes no diff. here. Many people were killed many lifes forever changed .. and that is where focus should be. Those victims had no part of the plan regardless of who did it. The people in the towers were innocent. I also must say I served in the army ..I was out before the wars but again the 99.99% percent of the soldiers killed were there for pure reasons..when they say soldiers fight for their buddies that is the truth. They are there for honorable reasons and they died there for it. When you tell those people they died for lies your wrong. They died to try and help the people .. Finally it doesn’t matter american french german yellow red who cares. The fact remains that people died a lot of them. And as stated before that is the part that should matter. One last thing you cant wipe your as without in coming out before you even flush..remember the president the blow job the impeachment attempt’s ? If even one person helped or knew it would be on youtube before the buildings fell.
the last part of my post was missing so I will try again..What I was saying is to see that Mr. X is “staff” I totaly changed my opinion on this site.. It is very telling when “staff” talk to the people who make their site what it is I.E. us the surfers. No question what you think of us. Well I for one don’t let anyone bend me over and then come back for more. You guys have lost me as a “supporter” as there are plenty more sites out there that are exactly the same as this. Now I can only guess what the response will be to this …so what… what differance will that make and the answer is simple… It might not be as damaging as one would hope .. but..I can rest easy knowing that as long as you guys keep it up there will be many more behind me the only thing that would keep my support is to get rid of mr.x.. Not for having the beliefs he does but for the rude comments… I can name 10 more sites that even post links faster than this one but I wont..
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