Major US inet providers join anti child porn pact
Two of the largest Internet service providers, AT&T and America Online, have reached agreements with the state attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo, to eliminate access to newsgroups where child pornography is posted and purge their own servers of child pornography Web sites. The deal, announced on Thursday morning, follows agreements reached last month with Verizon, Sprint and Time Warner Cable. The attorney general will also ramp up the pressure on more providers to sign on with a new Web site, nystopchildporn.com, where consumers can download letters to send to their providers “that have failed to make the same commitment to stop child porn,” according to a news release issued by Mr. Cuomo’s office.
The deals are significant, because newsgroups have been a somewhat forgotten corner of the Internet where child pornography has flourished. But the agreements will go only so far in eliminating the scourge of child pornography on the Web — it does not prevent customers from accessing Web sites on other servers not controlled by those companies. “These agreements with two of the nation’s largest I.S.P.’s to eradicate child porn websites from their servers tighten the noose around this despicable trade,” Mr. Cuomo said in a statement. “I call on all I.S.P.’s to quickly adopt the reforms in our code of conduct.”
Source: NY Times
Comments(77)
Good. Fkn pervs should get their nuts cut. The authorities should focus more on stuff like this instead of piracy.
Buying usenet access from a provider such as giganews will let you use those newsgroups.
@1
I support you Wizard. These morons are so focused in piracy but they forgot there are child pornography, one of the biggest crimes of 21st Century.
Good article, let’s keeps on moving forward RLSLOG. That’s how I like you!
OH LAWD IZ DAT SUM CP LAWZ?
LAWD, WHERE IMA GIT ME SEE PEE?
This is a complete and utter load of crap – this has nothing to do with CP, but saying its CP provides the necessary knee jerk reaction that these guys are looking for.
This is about censorship, control and regulation of the internet. The net is the ultimate gateway for free speech and it scares businesses and politicians alike – so they will work together to limit YOUR access to it claiming they are doing it for the sake of ’society’. This is no different than any other piece of legislation aimed at controlling technology so that only those in power can receive the full benefit of it.
If you are one of those people that has the knee jerk reaction, all that I am saying will make no sense. However, if not, then you understand the implications of this all.
@1 – Nuts and a permaban on net access
@2 – Good on ya Marceli! Give the creeps even more assistance in feeding their sick desires ya dumass!
at least the rest of usenet is ok
and they did what they wanted ,satisfying both sides
Scared the Interweb police are gonna catch you? You can run wil, but you can’t hide!
Maybe I didn’t understand, but aren’t we talking about child pornography? So, why Usenet?
They should care more about child porn and less about warez already
. Leave us “normal” pirates along and go for the sicko’s I say!
I fully support all ISPs signing on to stop child pornography. I’m worried, however, that the government is going to use this at a starting point to attack all types of websites they don’t like, including sites like rlslog.
just wondering wasn’t this here a few weeks ago?
#5 ist completely right it’s just another excuse like the evil terrorists to take the internet’s freedom. “Won’t _somebody_ think of the children???” that’s just a knockout argument; how can you argue against it?
Where i live at (germany) children have starved from pure neglect and neighbours had even informed authorities (very brave imho) but afterwards they knew nothing and had “acted properly”. If they have too many people in their children-protection-department they should rather go after “real” abuse like that instead of some picture traders …
It won’t change anything. Just look at tor: TorPedo is celebrating it’s 1/2 birthday and the other sites are running as usual. It’s just some publicity gag to get attention that will always affect people who have nothing to do with it.
Maybe the governments should point their finger in the direction of getting the world economy back on track, gas prices down and quit sending care packages to other countries in the form of bombs and missiles.
Just an idea…
This is the first step, never forget how terrorism was used as a tool and 911 was setup so they could beside other benefits, take even more control over the world as we knew it.
Wakeup call.
PS: btw remember piratebay? They accused them of providing CP (everyone knows they have nothing to do with it) just to get hands on them because they had no chance on copyright grounds.
Welcome the ‘Police State’
BTW – I.P. BANS DON’T APPLY FOR ME! hehe
@2 in what groups is it available in ?
2 clicks of the mouse fro PirateBay brings you to CP… click the triangle flag at the bottom of page and then click any pyramid other than the first. CP!
Verizon deleted ALL alt.* groups (alt.binary.*, etc). Total overreaction, and total suckage.
@#5:
Yes, censorship infringes on the freedom of speech but, a freedom shall not infringe the rights of others. In this case children who are being exploited.
Shouldn’t they have done this years ago…
Ever heard of “nuking a forest to kill 1 fox” ?
ops we “accidently” deleted alt.free.speach.
THANK GOD! ONCE THEY SHUT DOWN USENET CHILD PORN WILL BE GONE F.O.R.E.V.E.R !
I really don’t see how this will help anything. If someone wants to upload something to the Web, Usenet, whatever, they’ll find a way. If they manage to delete a web site or a newsgroup another will take its place. You can bet on it. What makes this so useless, is that this only applies to U.S.-based servers. Who’s to stop a child pornographer from setting up a server elsewhere. And this applies to any digital data. If someone wants to show you something and there’s an audience out there who wants to see it, both parties will find a way. At best, all this will do is make child pornography just a bit harder to find. Which is not a bad thing, but I already see that this is being used as an excuse to delete sites and newsgroups that aren’t even being used for child pornography. (According to the previous poster mentioning Verizon deleting all alt.* groups.)
This is just like the claim of terrorism. Create a “phantom menace” and use it to police, in this case the Internet. People’s rights are being subverted right in front of their faces.
I happen to know that the 2 most popular Usenet providers have forms that will allow you to report child pornography on their servers and they’ll delete it accordingly. Once government and megacorporations get their way, the next step is net neutrality. Which is what they really want to get rid of. Open your eyes, people.
This is good. Now maybe we can say “goodbye” to 4chan….
AT&T and who? Oh yea, AOL. Providers my arss, in the States they offer the worst of the worst inet connections. Just some more BS marketing to make them seem like good guys. If you want it, you can find it.
IT’S ALL MARKETING, USA STYLE.
@24, talk about not knowing anything.
And @ all, its just publicity together with the MAFIAA trying to cut off some people from getting nice download speeds.
It’s not like the CP wont just move, and switching from at&t to another host just gives them more access and bandwidth. Probably cheaper aswell..
they can’t even get that right, just look@anonib
they got busted only a few month ago and now it’s already 95% like before only they don’t post ages anymore …
haha usenet sucks… you can still get cp off public trackers if you wanted too..
provider such as giganews Block %99 of this Crap So Won’t Apply To Them haha
good they can start with limewire, its full of that stuff
I bet Pee Wee Herman and Jeffery Jones(Ferris Buhlers Day Off priciple) are pissed about this news. LOL
2 clicks of the mouse fro PirateBay brings you to CP… click the triangle flag at the bottom of page and then click any pyramid other than the first. CP!
@18. Holy*** your right. WTF is that all about. And its not even suspecting. Its just a couple of triangles on a page. How the hell did you find that. It must have been a shock when you clicked on one of those the first time. I wonder if TPB knows about that. Yeah somebody might wanna report that ASAP.
this is so wrong now how am i supposed to find what turns me on?
@33 try going to hell..
This bill has nothing to do with CP and everything to do with piracy. Their using CP to work their agenda since every ISP is eventually going to comply cause if they don’t everyone will say, “you didn’t comply? you must support child porn”
@5 – Exactly the first thing that came to my mind, I don’t have anything against anyone wanting to stop child porn… but if they succeed in that, then what’s next? Newsgroups with music downloads? Movies? Copyrighted images? This is just the first step in a long line of bad things to come if they do succeed.
Even if stopping child porn would be good, they won’t be able to “STOP” it. It may be blocked by whatever ISPs, but people will find a way to get it, and give it. They have been trying to stop piracy for a very long time now, and anyone who would believe that this would work any better than stopping piracy… should probably go back to school and look for a class that teaches common sense. (That’s something that people should really put some effort into, teaching people common sense when they are growing up.)
Child porn is just like piracy in that you can’t stop it by trying to force it down.
The Scene itself, back in the very beginnings, used floppy disks mailed in the postal services to get it’s material around. Before the internet came to be and in its beginnings porn, child porn included, was transferred the same way. All they’re doing is making it a tad bit harder for people to get what they want.
You cant’ stop the transfer of information, ever.
–Günther
A road to hell is paved with good intentions…
Does that mean that the highway to heaven is paved with spite and anger?
Thanks, 38, for your insight.
–Dan
No, the highway to heaven is still under construction…
It’s a quick and easy way for ISPs to stop providing usenet access.
About the pirate bay and the clickable CP – jesus christ, what the hell are they thinking? It’s not full blown CP, but where do you draw the line at what’s acceptable? Is a naked toddler dancing CP? I don’t think so, unless you get off on it.
Should the animation be up on a website for potentially a million people a week to see? Not at all. It’s a stupid, moronic thing to do and will give the authorities a big excuse to shut them down. Idiots. I’ve emailed them, doubt I’ll get a reply.
Quagmire FX, I’m sure TPB is fully aware of what those triangles lead to. They’re a site that has no problem hosting links to illegal material. The fact that those links are on there is a bit disturbing, but it doesn’t really surprise me. TPB has been constantly defiant when it comes to obeying the laws.
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Nevermind, that the punishment will be 6 months in jail where they’ll find out how not to get caught next time and make perv friends. What a joke, this IS censorship wrapped in “we’re protecting you”. Next they’ll be hunting down terrorists, oh wait, that’s the “Patriot Act”. How about the “war on terror”? The U.S. has wide open borders and weaker port security than many 3rd world nations. What is it going to take for you people to think critically? THINK DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!! I’ll make it easy for you, think good is bad and bad is good you’ll likely be more on target that way.
I totally agree!I say get those sickos. I feel they should take anyone who commits the acts and those who watch it and tortue them and then casturate them and give them life in prison without parole and put them in the general population.There is no punishment that equals the lifetime of pain (physical,emotionsal) that is inflicted on a child!!!!!
It’ll be another great spot for politicians to offer “government jobs” as a hush hush bribe. Imagine a perv politician gettin’ frisky with a lil boy. Now mom walks in… Politician has 2 offers:
1. Here’s some dough and a way for you to prevent pervs like me from getting to your kid. It pays well, with all the benefits.
2. Wind up on the back of a milk carton.
Think it can’t happen? Think it wasn’t part of the design? Think much??
@ Marceli
That’s scary, I use Giganews, but I would never download child porn.
it is absolutely perverted how people with power and money use a topic such as “child pornography” to distract for their real intentions.
if you think the CEO’s of warner, at&t or aol do it because of their moral/ethics/principles then you are mistaken.
most of you fools get all worked up in the “let’s punish pedophiles, damn sickos!!” without seeing the bigger picture. you guys are tools.
Y’all have nailed it on the head. Say goodbye to file servers, file sharing, torrents, giganews, usenet, unmonitored chat rooms and say hello to Web 2.0.
@21 You said it perfectly!
All you saying this is a good thing, I’m guessing you also said, “yeah, get them towel head terrorists” without asking, who, what, when, where, why and how did 9/11 happen. You probably still can’t answer that but are you still gung ho for the war? Ready for the draft? In 5 years you’ll likely look back and think… duh no you won’t you’ll be to gung ho for starving yourself in the name of “green energy” and “biofuel”. Enjoying the Pide Pipers tune aren’t you?
Me, I’m scared as hell and glad I don’t have kids that will inherit this Orwellian nightmare.
ha ha ha
They will never find a way to censor data transfer. You can find unlimited ways to annonimously send/receive data over the inet. In thw whorst way, new encoders/decoders may apply, perhaps new data readers also.
Let them waste they’r time. At least they’r working.
@50
Google “internet backbone”. You’ll find there are only about 3 major network backbones and it’s a cartell (think OPEC). The internet is not the weed you “think” it is. You think DARPA would have let it out without a string?
Am I the only one here? Can we wake them up in time?
Where is Neo? Why are so many blind to the blue pill in front of them?
As much as I hate child pornography and anyone depraved and twisted enough to watch or make it, I can’t help but suspect that this is just a ruse to gain access to more Newsgroups by way of scare tactics. How do we know they won’t intentionally flood these target NG’s with CP just so that they have a reason to shut them down that people will not speak out against. I mean who’s going to stick up for the “evil child pornography encouraging” newsgroups?
That why i dont have NewsGroup no more
verizon quit it last month.
now i have to go back Irc.
bye bye alt.binaries.boneless, a.b.movies.divx , a.b.dvd I’m guessing for those people then as naughty images can be posted to any newsgroup.
I think they could have used a better candidate for their poster child than one of the Olsen twins from their “Full House” days.. but then again.. they DID grow up to be skankz didn’t they?
about the tpb link to child porn.. thats a load of crap. the only thing i saw was a ugly naked baby acting silly… no porn. if any of you psikos think that that is cp.. you bust be a perv
Children are innocent!
that’s why CP is the biggest crime of all.
the sad thing though is that in most cases its actually the parents of those kids who responsible for all this f**ked up stuff.
if you ask me, electric chair = goodbye pedophiles!
so after only a decade of mass-internet they are willing to “fight” child porn…earning millions and millions for decades providing space for child porn to be distributed….
yeah, amazing…..they are so sincere about this.
so many innocent people here… this is obviously a strategy to control the internet and piracy…
they only need someone to put some CP contents in any newsgroup to be legally able to eliminate the access to it…
“Major US inet providers join anti child porn pact”
What does “inet” mean? I couldn’t find it in any dictionary.
That is one ugly looking kid. Looks like downs syndrome or something.
@ 60 / leecher
inet / i[nter]net
You can’t fight a pathology with legislation. Try forbidding an anorexic from fasting by making it illegal. Good luck.
Only the creation of a more open, less bloodthirsty climate will make pedos come out of the underground and into treatment.
RLSLOG is illegal. Close this piece of crap. All of you stop to be a parasite.
i know i will get blasted for this,but i’d rather have the pervs looking at the crap on the internet than over my back fence.Not saying it’s right.Just my 2 cents.
Who cares? I have my harddrive full of CP.
RLSLOG is also illegal.
You pirates are next in line. They’re just picking off easy targets to start off (hey, who’d defend the pedo?), and moving onto the real treat when situation matures and the public get used to the idea of internet police. Rlslog’s days are numbered.
I told you newsgroups are for pedos :p
here is a computerworld article on net censorship.
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;514352633
this is free net censorship circomvention software.
http://psiphon.civisec.org/faq1.html
here is a how to FAQ of bypassing internet censorship
http://rapidshare.com/files/128998574/bypassing_internet_censorship.rtf.zip
knowledge is power
a good wiki on internet censorship
http://en.cship.org/wiki/Main_Page
@64 and 67. Blah Blah Blah, Hollywood has still made more this year than last year to date…..Yeah all us “pirates” are doing sooooo much harm
@ 18 & 32 – a naked child is not CP. Seriously, read your country’s CP laws before you get histrionic about this topic.
Yup, strategy for internet control this is.
They could not care less about child porn. If they did, they’d only actually “ban” the child porn groups, not full out ban every thing and everybody like they did.
It pains me to say, but the US is full of naive idiots. As long as there is some reality show on TV, or whatever other crap, they won’t wake up to smell the coffee.
Have fun, and enjoy the few seconds of free speech you have left. GG America, once great country who bent over to the power of a handful of corporations.
Let’s not forget that by America’s definition, photos/videos of a 17 year old having sex is considered child pornography, which means that anyone looking at the stuff produced by Club Seventeen in Europe is guilty of accessing child porn. And what about all of Traci Lords’s old movies? They’re all child porn (except Traci I Love You) in America, even if they’re legal in other countries.
Besides, they said that they found “child porn” in something like 88 newsgroups and the ISPs reacted by deleting several hundred, if they didn’t just do away with newsgroup access completely.
I have AT&T and if they get rid of all the binary groups, I plan to call them and ask how much of a reduction I can expect to see on my monthly bill, since they’ll have eliminated a major portion of the service they provide. Never mind that their servers suck, it’s the principle of the thing.
you mean several hundred thousand
as in 100,000+ innocents fell for 88 guilty
Funny how limiting freedom starts with the best of intentions.
people will believe ANY lie IF:
they are AFRAID it is true
OR
they WANT IT to be true
so many freedom limiting laws are passed under the guise of protecting children.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
~Joseph Goebbels