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Look behind Chinese curtain of censorship

First of all, I’m sorry for small drop out of Releaselog in last hours – this happened because of we got Dugg and Slashdotted at the same time and our server somehow couldn’t handle thousands of new visitors (hi everyone). Anyway, we’re back to normal now and here’s the traditional portion of daily tech news: A report from Reporters Without Borders, entitled “China: Journey To The Heart Of Internet Censorship,” reveals some details of how the bureaucracy clamps down on dissent, controls the flow of information and distributes propaganda. Much of the information in the report was provided by an anonymous technician in the government’s Internet sector. The report was timed for the start of the Chinese Communist Party’s national congress.

According to the report, China has three separate agencies involved in information control. Commercial sites must be also licensed by the Internet Propaganda Administrative Bureau, which entitles them to provide official news reports but not to engage in independent reporting. The Bureau of Information and Public Opinion conducts weekly meetings with commercial sites to discuss online public opinion and reports on the meetings to Communist Party officials. The Internet Bureau exercises ideological control.

Chinese supervisory bodies often use instant messaging and text messages sent via mobile phones to communicate quickly with commercial websites. The purpose is to tell them which articles or comments are not to be published, and which events or issues are taboo.

One incident that led to a section closure involved the Web site Netease, which published a 2006 poll asking that if their readers were reborn, would they want to be Chinese again. Of the 10,000 respondents, 64% said they would not want to be Chinese. The main reasons were being Chinese is not honorable, you can’t buy a house in China, happiness is too inaccessible, you can’t crack jokes in China, and you can’t see good cartoons.

The report recommends Chinese users use a proxy server to block their IP addresses from censors. For posting sensitive articles, the Chinese should use smaller sites outside of Beijing. The country of tiger may be one of the fastest-developing economy, but they really need to work on people’s rights and freedom of speech. By the way, do you know how the Chinese government “designed” the official Beijin Olympic games logo? Funny, but sad at the same time…

Source: RSF, Cnet

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  1. GT
    October 12th, 2007 | 09:27

    china s*cks and we all know that. they want to decide who will be the dalai lama of tibet, they want control over taiwan, they are hurt if USA wants to honour dalai lama, they make claims over india’s territory, they control hong kong, they support the Junta of myanmar.they are big bullies and even USA is afraid of saying anything to china, and just keeps tolerating whatever china does.

  2. Chris
    October 12th, 2007 | 09:36

    “By the way, do you know how the Chinese government “designed” the official Beijin Olympic games logo? Funny, but sad at the same time…”
    Uhhhhh, I think that’s supposed to be a spoof.

  3. Sommonne
    October 12th, 2007 | 09:39
  4. 08/15
    October 12th, 2007 | 09:40

    i agree china sucks (like usa). but they will be the future superpower.

  5. Dan
    October 12th, 2007 | 09:43

    i don’t know how i’d react to having the chinese as a superpower

  6. kasuza
    October 12th, 2007 | 09:46

    “MADE IN CHINA”!!! Their products are everywhere in the US and around the world from food to electronic!!!

  7. ELCouz
    October 12th, 2007 | 09:56

    Quote:
    “MADE IN CHINA”!!! Their products are everywhere in the US and around the world from food to electronic!!!

    True,true but why? because of the competition in the China ,, there like 300 LCD manifacturers and in the USA ? get what ? about 3 or 4 maximum

    As a buyer for a company, I always look to China because it’s price can’t be beat $30pcs for a simple lcd vs $100pcs in the U.S.A. make your choice ! PS: even if this ruin the U.S.A. , companies always care about money before thinking to buy a product more localy!

    sad but true!

  8. funny stuff
    October 12th, 2007 | 10:03

    LOL @ pic. That’s some funny stuff right there, man.

  9. Me
    October 12th, 2007 | 10:20

    I like articles posted like this on rlslog – makes it more worthwhile to come back here.

  10. jo
    October 12th, 2007 | 10:23

    would prefer more releases and less articles, there is CNN or other places for this…

  11. nikmag
    October 12th, 2007 | 10:30

    damn commies.

  12. spiderpig
    October 12th, 2007 | 10:33

    China may be a nightmare but they make damn fine crispy duck with pancakes

  13. Faithl3ss
    October 12th, 2007 | 11:42

    China is the new superpower but i have the opinion that there gona be some kind of revolution from the chinese citizens to their government in the near future…

  14. Emm
    October 12th, 2007 | 13:31

    We live in a material world and everything revolves around money! Don’t be so surprised! Besides, what do you know about communism?

  15. Wah
    October 12th, 2007 | 14:20

    Haven’t China’s always been a superpower? Seeing that they once had an empire that ruled the world, one would think they have a reserved spot in the superpower club.

  16. js
    October 12th, 2007 | 15:10

    almost every toy is made in china now. the average industrial wage is $60 a month there, so we’re all in serious trouble when manufacturing etc takes off there, the west will not be able to compete with those wage costs. Also don’t buy anything off ebay from China. I bought an ac adaptor for my laptop from a seller there and the first night it went on fire and nearly burnt my house down. Almost everything from China is counterfeit thats why they’re so cheap on ebay

  17. ee
    October 12th, 2007 | 15:11

    almost every toy is made in china now. the average industrial wage is $60 a month there, so we’re all in serious trouble when manufacturing etc takes off there, the west will not be able to compete with those wage costs. Also don’t buy anything off ebay from China. I bought an ac adaptor for my laptop from a seller there and the first night it went on fire and nearly burnt my house down. Almost everything from China is counterfeit thats why they’re so cheap on ebay

  18. ee
    October 12th, 2007 | 15:12

    sorry, didn’t mean to double post :(

  19. Sea-Bass
    October 12th, 2007 | 15:14

    China was way ahead in terms of technology if you speak about the Dark Ages. It lost its supremacy in the 20th Century, but they are regaining their spot on the ‘best’ countries of the world.

  20. fish-outta-wada
    October 12th, 2007 | 15:32

    Sea-Bass? hahahhah! You’re the fish, right? ZOMGLOL

  21. sango
    October 12th, 2007 | 17:04

    unbelievable

    @gt

    they want control over taiwan//
    was known as formosa under japanese empire,before was saipe,this was china all the time
    but the civil war loosers retire there under american protection

    make claims over india’s territory//
    see above/

    they control hong kong//

    was always china,was taken by the british to control the opium,means
    selling drug to them that was produce in india

    they support the Junta of myanmar//

    india does also,just made last minute huge deal see bbc,but strangely
    the world keep quiet about this,india is ducking also

    they are big bullies//

    modern serious political analisys all agree,china never seek revenge for what
    they endure,and is not an agressive country up to now

    they want to decide who will be the dalai lama//

    this is the most interesting,the art of manipulating information for anti-china

    not the first time the dalai lama is replace because of improper behavior

    like france who did replace the pope in rome 2 times because of bad behavior

    ———————–
    censorship exist in every country of the world

    -try to start a communist party in america
    -try to say something good about the cubain revolution
    -try to say that the white man did something wrong to the indians tribes
    -that custer was a fool and massacre anyone

    the party made some errors-who did not-all revolutions are made in blood
    and errors-but they saved the mass and retook china from foreign control

  22. Fiodor
    October 12th, 2007 | 17:57

    The cartoon is on spot! Wats more important our greed or the poor chinese who got to make the logo?
    We all know the right answear dont we? Its in font of us.. my says ViewSonic and “made in China” on the back.

    Sango;
    Please dont compare “midlle ages” behaviour with modern days.
    China is a Dictatorship and as a long way to go on the respect for the individual road.

  23. Tom
    October 12th, 2007 | 18:02

    Sango:
    go spead your propoganda somewhere else. u compared china with some prehistoric events, so u admit that govermen of china is barbars.

  24. sango
    October 12th, 2007 | 18:16

    /you can’t see good cartoons/

    was a free translation from the rsf writers that made the article,in asia,anime is
    the thing.japanese anime are the most popular,and the best qualitee made.
    young people in china korea singapore,dont mind they are japanese,just sad
    sometimes the japanese pov,is bias and different and racial sometimes.
    to revive chinese in the poll was a tricky question aim to imply you will
    be able to see japanese anime if living elsewhere

    each country have local quota for anime,like protection,to help local production
    this is worldwide in video production ,not only in asia

    now saying this-if the rsf article,explain this above in such a shortcut,just think
    of the rest of the arcticle was like

  25. hibby
    October 12th, 2007 | 19:09

    @ sango,

    You talk some utter pish. If you want to try and justify your governments policies, at least come up with some decent arguments and/or make some sense with your posts.

    As for the report – we all have a good idea on China’s human rights record, but the more important point is that trusted internet giants such as Yahoo are basically the lackeys and grasses of the Chinese government, who help to opress and detain innocent people in exchange for dirty money and favours.

    Yahoo are filthy lowdown scum. I personally can use the net quite happily without their services/software. Why don’t you try the same?

  26. sango
    October 12th, 2007 | 19:46

    Reporters Without Borders

    Lucie Morillon, RWB’s Washington representative, confirmed in an interview on 29 April 2005 that the organization receives money from the Washington-based Center for a Free Cuba ($50,000 in 2004), hat a contract with the US State Department’s Special Envoy to the Western Hemisphere, Otto Reich, requires them to inform Europeans about repression against journalists in Cuba

  27. sango
    October 12th, 2007 | 19:58

    /Much of the information in the report was provided by an anonymous technician in the government’s Internet sector/

    cut and paste from above description

    anonymous unknown source-ok on the internet-but no serious paper will
    print such a story-and this is classified in tech news

    might as well print that there will be a shortage of blonds/was done before
    and people believe it

  28. QuadrupelQ
    October 12th, 2007 | 20:04

    Like it or not, China is the future. And I applaud them.

    Cheap labour, room for enterprises, no obstructing rules, people that are happy to work in the most terrible conditions, people that actually listen to a government…

    US and Europa had the same thing 100 years ago. It made them great, but now they are decadent/civilized (the same thing). How dare we judge China if the western world got rich the same way, only 100 years ago!

    I say go China, go! Finish of more dissidents. Polute the world. Whip those lazy workers! It’s your turn now!

  29. QuadrupelQ
    October 12th, 2007 | 20:05

    And Sango made a very good point. Too bad most people are to narrow-minded to see it.

  30. Peter
    October 12th, 2007 | 21:44

    I would not dismiss Sango so easily. What he says has historical significance. Why does he compare histories? This is to give you plebs a general overview of whats happening in this world. Funny how some make judgements when your own civilisations have only existed a puny few hundred years. China is the last ancient civilisation on earth and it will endure, perhaps some can learn from this.

    Granted the current government isn’t the best but its changing.

    China has been corrupt and weak in the last dynasty, with frequent European invasions and humiliations, though I do not condone its practice and policies, communism has given back the chinese people respect and honor.

    China hasn’t wiped out WHOLE civilisations such as the US -> Killed almost all of the native indians. Spanish Conquistadors -> wiped out the South American civilisations.

    Want to talk about slavery?

    Everything is about perspective.

  31. Mont
    October 12th, 2007 | 21:49

    China was a defeated sad country in 1942. The Japanese conquered China. If it wasn’t for Britain and America winning the war, the chinks would now be japanese slaves.

  32. Peter
    October 12th, 2007 | 21:55

    Chinks? how elegant. “if it wasn’t for britain and america” so you rooting for europeans? Does that make you a white honkey? perhaps a redneck? etc…
    Japanese slaves? hmmm I highly doubt that.

  33. sango
    October 12th, 2007 | 22:15

    the japanese were expecting to conqueer china since 1936 in 3 months
    so in 1942 they were very very frustrated.

    to be japanese slaves-yes you are right it was the plan,and then the japanese declare war
    on britain-the netherland-and the usa ,the original plan was to declare war to russia
    which kept huge russia army on the west coast (but this is another stories)

    they kept saying this was for delivering asian countries against their european
    rulers-and they still say the same thing today-and strangely it did exactly that
    except all countries had to revolt after ww2.

    at this time 1942-the chin— well like you say, position,was that they were
    witnessing a war in front of them between occupying forces asking them
    to take a stance

  34. Ishtar
    October 13th, 2007 | 04:11

    I guess by your comments that most of you have never been to China. I live in China… and before any of you start I’m not Chinese.

    Have you all so easily forgotten that Taiwan and Hong Kong belonged to China originally anyway?

    #31/33 Peter: I totally agree with what you say. How can the Americans talk about anyone being a bully? Just look at them in Iraq for a start. And if they’re afraid of and daren’t contradict anyone it’s Israel. America kisses Israels butt so much they’ve forgotten just how they came about and most of you seem to have conveniently forgotten your own attrocities in history (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam and the Native American Indians in your own back yard to name but a few).

    Sango: I agree with you on most things that you say including the parts about anime (most of my students love Japanese anime and some even want to go to Japan) and the fact that the Chinese fought the Japanese off bravely, however, I don’t agree with you about Tibet and the Dali Lama. Tibet was a sovereign country and due to the invasion by China the Dali Lama was forced to flee. The Chinese government keeps tight control on the Tibetans and infact is committing genocide there. When a Tibetan boy gets married his brothers are only allowed to marry his wife. This is to keep the population declining. Chinese are relocated to Tibet to keep strict control and outnumber the Tibetans so that they can claim that Tibet belongs to China (they have done the same in Inner Mongolia too for the same reasons). Kids from Xinjiang are relocated to other areas in China for (re)education. For those of you who don’t know Xinjiang it’s a huge province north/west above Tibet and the people there are mostly Muslims of Middle Eastern origin. Those who don’t want to become Chinese voluntarily are made Chinese by force or exterminated (Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia).

    Yes, human rights are violated.
    Yes, there is corruption in the government.

    But the one thing I have noticed most since being here is that the Chinese have a superiority complex believing that the world wants to be like them (sounds a little like America to me). Capitalism is ripe over here and people marry only for money not love. Everyone sees happiness as money so if you don’t have any you’re not happy, very simple.

  35. lee welton
    October 13th, 2007 | 06:35

    China just happens to be the current country that has plentiful and cheap labor. Just like Japan was in the 50s and 60s and Korea after that.

    If the Chinese people ever dismantle their quasi-communist government and are able to work for maket wages, their huge manufacturing capacity will quickly disappear.

    As the people increase their standard of living by demanding more money, manufacturing is no longer cost effective there, and manufacturers will move on to the next country with cheap labor.

  36. lee welton
    October 13th, 2007 | 06:40

    @Ishtar

    you sir, are a moron.

    “most of you seem to have conveniently forgotten your own attrocities in history (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam and the Native American Indians in your own back yard to name but a few)”

    none of these were atrocities. the atomic bombs used on those two cities were lifesavers for millions of American soldiers who did not have to die during an invasion of Japan. the war in vietnam ulitimately ended in the killing of millions by the same communists running china.

    and the native americans indians in the US simply were not advanced enough to understand they should have protected their land.

  37. Ishtar
    October 13th, 2007 | 08:55

    @lee welton

    “none of these were atrocities. the atomic bombs used on those two cities were lifesavers for millions of American soldiers who did not have to die during an invasion of Japan.”

    The US and Japan were in discussions about Japans surrender at the time and thus you’re right it wasn’t an atrocity it was simply a test. After all we can’t try out our nuclear bombs by dropping them on countries that have surrendered now can we?

    “the war in vietnam ulitimately ended in the killing of millions by the same communists running china.”

    I wonder where the dead patches in the Vietnamese forests come from. Could it be all the Agent Orange napalm and other biological and chemical agents the US dropped on the country? Obviously nobody died from these. What about all the villages that were wiped out? You’re right, they are none existant… now.

    “and the native americans indians in the US simply were not advanced enough to understand they should have protected their land.”

    They couldn’t protect their land so men, women and children were slaughtered. Custer wasn’t the racist, hateful, Indian hater that everyone claims he was. He was an angel and the active extermination carried out by him even though he was ordered to stop after a while is a fabrication.

    The dead can’t claim anything, it is left to us who come after them to remember the truth about what happened.

    Sir, I know American and world history unlike you. So who’s the moron now?

  38. Ishtar
    October 13th, 2007 | 09:09

    @lee welton

    By the way, when a soldier joins the army and his country go to war he knows that he might be asked to lay down his life for his country, that’s his job. But the men, women and children in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam and the Native American tribes had no choice. They were not in the army, it was not their job, they were innocent civilians. 100′s of 1000′s even millions of them.
    The Jews, the Gypsies and the handicapped weren’t able to defend themselves either. So according to your survival of the fittest rule only those who can defend themselves survive. Thank you very much for justifying the Holocaust.

  39. B
    October 13th, 2007 | 21:58

    Great article. We can all go around saying that no country is blameless but it doesn’t change the facts. We all need more awareness about the atrocities performed around the world regardless of who performs them. You know the old saying: “Two wrongs don’t make a right”. More articles like this please rlslog.

  40. lee welton
    October 14th, 2007 | 00:54

    @Ishtar

    If Japan was “in discussion to surrender” as you somehow think, why did they not surrender after the first bomb was dropped?? Because they were not planning to surrender as the Japanese belief system at the time was that surrendering soldiers were disgraceful. And if you’d like to talk about real slaughters during WW2, talk about the Bataan death march. And the Japanese citizens were all involved in building, supplying and operating the factories for the Japanese military, same as in the US. They were not innocent.

  41. lee welton
    October 14th, 2007 | 00:59

    Its not my rule of survival of the fittest. Its a fact of life. The native Americans in the US were not able to win the battles that the European settlers waged against them because they were not advanced enough to develop equivalent weaponry. That is not an attrocity, it happens all around the world.

    And stop trying to make the communists in Vietnam look like victims when they brought war upon themselves. They should not have hidden soldiers and weapons in villages if they did not want those villages to be bombed and destroyed.

  42. sango
    October 14th, 2007 | 03:13

    my first comment line @21 was to answer the comments @1 line by line

    the rest of my comments were in relation with either this article/report or
    about reporter without borders–to keep in line with the thread

    what i see above is more a dogfight out of context,and payback comments.

    @36 ishtar- in comment 21 i mention
    /not the first time the dalai lama is replace because of improper behavior/

    see criticism paragraph in the link below,and after reading money support from the cia
    just try to imagine the same situation about the kgb providing support
    to the i.r.a–britain would have gone hayway..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Gyatso%2C_14th_Dalai_Lama

    tibet was a province in china empire that when the british control the
    dinasty in power in 1876 they set free,,,

    (like given back california to spain)
    the same way the british cut the present irak-iran borders or
    pakistan-india borders or austria the serbia yougouslavia borders

    just to weaken everyone…no need to go further

    –then you are talking about muslim genocide in china,they are tukkistan people

    been around since the beginning attaking the caravane and are still around
    looks like the chinese are doing a poor job in their genocide,by the way
    russians too have fun with their counterpart.

    ask your han students,if you want more precision,turkisman helpthe invasion to eliminate
    the buddhist from india and set hallah instead,the han protected and secure
    buddhist—quite ironic history is strange indeed,,this year relics of buddha was sent back to india,
    for good gesture…ask your students

    the first mongolian invasion,china was under the critical mass for a nation
    i.e. to be wipe out completely-the monks replace the dead soldiers and
    organize the fight –a nation saved twice by his priest in history ,unique
    example of faith in practice-guess that makes them credible when
    objecting rome to send a cardinal
    so they are egocentric money loving,according to you,well ok,maybe
    free world,your opinion,surprise you can say that and not being arrested
    you are surrender by means red-commies
    wish people can make up their mind-they are red-commies or capitalism
    now

    @42 lee, surprise to see you here

    anything that is japanese in ww2 is difficult to be 100% sure because they got
    rid of the records on purposes,and silence was the rule..
    it is strongly believe now,that the two bombs did not influence the way the allied
    think,but rather the russian invasion on the west coast..at that time they were
    discussing with the russian for an armistice with the usa-
    if you ever heard about the agreement btwn russian/nippon we dont attack
    now dont attack us latter/when the germans were at the door of moscow.

    news and politicians make things worse-the visit of the shrine and text books
    acceptance of ww2,would stop all this nonsense,people are over with this
    themselves,after the war,a lot of japanese soldiers stay in china and fought
    alongside both side,to mend,like they say,they never came back to their
    loved ones..this earns respect,
    people should be respected ,not gratuitely demonized….

  43. Ishtar
    October 14th, 2007 | 05:09

    @ sango

    Thank you for posting what you are taught at school regarding Tibet. We won’t mention all the temples that have been destroyed over the past few decades in both China and Tibet.

    The people in Xinjiang are Chinese and it was consolidated by the forced relocation of millions of Hans. I never said that they were being killed because they’re Muslims I just pointed out to people who didn’t know that the people of Xinjiang are of Muslim decent.

    Because I don’t really understand what you’re talking about with regards to the Muslims I won’t comment on it any further other than to say i know the children are relocated to schools around China because there 160 in my school alone whose re-education is being paid for by the government but are kept segregated from the rest of the school (ie. they don’t have the same teachers, dining hall or living quarters). They are here to be made Chinese whether they like it or not.

    “the first mongolian invasion,china was under the critical mass for a nation
    i.e. to be wipe out completely-the monks replace the dead soldiers and
    organize the fight –a nation saved twice by his priest in history”

    If it was the monks who came to the rescue why are there tombs of Persian kings in China? Because the Chinese didn’t have the capability to defend themselves they hired the Persians (Middle Easterners in general) to help fight the invaders. Their descendants can still be found living throughout China today.

    “this year relics of buddha was sent back to india,
    for good gesture…ask your students”

    They weren’t sent back they were sent away because once all traces of Buddhism have been erased China can claim Buddhism doesn’t exist in China and that the Dalia Lama does not belong here. It is simply another attempt at crushing the one group of people the Chinese have been unable to convince that they are Chinese, the Tibetans. After all my students don’t know what Buddhism is because they are not taught that at school. They don’t even know what Confucianism is. They don’t know which religion they observe because they are prohibited from being either. As far as they are concerned they have no religion except for the one or two Christians among them.

    “wish people can make up their mind-they are red-commies or capitalism
    now”

    Since when is having imported cars (Merc’s, BMW’s, Porche’s, Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s), 2 houses and millions communist? Those that aren’t in pursuit of this kind of wealth are seen as lazy because they have no ambition.
    I revel in my wickedness.

  44. lee welton
    October 14th, 2007 | 05:57

    @Ishtar

    Unfortunately, the US is one of the few countries that follows that wish list of war etiquette.

    Enemies of the US, however, do not:

    “Civilians must not be attacked.”

    -Except civilians in New York City skyscrapers, right?

    “Civilian objects (houses, hospitals, schools, places of worship, cultural or historic monuments, etc.) must not be attacked.”

    -I’m sorry USA, but skyscrapers arent civilian objects.

    “Using civilians to shield military targets is prohibited.”

    Uh oh…Vietnam – guilty. Iraq – guilty. North Korea – guilty.

    “It is prohibited for combatants to pose as civilians.”

    -Except when you’re planting an IED along a road to blow up a US convoy, right?

    “Starvation of civilians as a method of combat is prohibited.”

    -What if the ruling dictator just gasses them to death instead?

    “It is prohibited to attack dams, dykes or nuclear power plants if such an attack may cause severe losses among the civilian population.”

    -Finally, one we agree on. We can attack a nuclear power plant that is being used to enrich uranium for weapons as long as it doesnt cause severe population losses.

  45. Ishtar
    October 14th, 2007 | 06:29

    # lee welton

    Your denial of the bombing and destruction of roads, bridges, hospitals, power plants, water treatment plants, railways, schools and other vital infrastructure means one of two things, either you are military and enjoying this senseless destruction or you are just copying Neo-Con (Nazi) propaganda because it is too difficult to think for yourself and thus you have brought this discussion to an end. You are obviously ignorant of the truth and I am not interested in mindless Neo-Con propaganda. Continue living in that sheltered world of yours.

    Last thing I will say is that I fully agree with the bombing of nuclear power plants that are a threat to the world and so we should start with Israel first.

  46. Ishtar
    October 14th, 2007 | 06:55

    I’m glad I was born and educated in Europe.

  47. lee welton
    October 14th, 2007 | 21:54

    @Ishtar

    “Last thing I will say is that I fully agree with the bombing of nuclear power plants that are a threat to the world and so we should start with Israel first.”

    So now we see you for what you really are, simply a radical muslim apologist. I knew you had an agenda in you somewhere, and it didn’t take that long to get it out of you.

    Played like a fiddle.

  48. JACKSMACK
    October 27th, 2007 | 16:31

    WE COMMITTED ATROCITIES IN VIETNAM? THE U.S.? OMFG YOU ARE AN IDIOT. THE ONLY ATROCITIES THERE WERE COMMITTED AGAINST U.S. SOLDIERS. I SPENT 2 TOURS IN IRAQ IN 91-92. UNTIL YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IN A CONFLICT DON’T SPOUT A BUNCH OF
    BULLSH!T. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE JUST LET SADDAM DO HIS BIDDING?

    EVERY NATO COUNTRY CRIES FOR HELP AND THE U.S. COMES RUNNING. JUST LOOK AT THE STATISTICS OF WHAT COUNTRIES ACTUALLY STEP UP TO THE PLATE WITH THE MANPOWER WHEN ANOTHER COUNTRY NEEDS HELP. I AGREE, THE U.S. SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT ALL. CLOSE OUR BORDERS AND SCREW EVERYONE ELSE.

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