MAYBE THEY JUST INVENTED ALL THE CHARTS WE SEE SAYING INTEL BEATS AMD IN ALL REAL-WORLD TESTS…..HELL MAYBE ALL THIS DRIBBLE IS INVENTED…..GEEZ MAN GET REAL.

jdizzle1337, just google… you’ll find a lot of tests where the differences are obvious! The fact of the matter is, they wanted to get their a55es lic|ked more so they invented this chart.

b_nutz, there’ll always be some place where you can find lower prices… I’m not surprised! And yes, AMD did get rid of the FSB, again google, no need to waste time.

you seem to be misinformed about overclocking a c2d because they need very little voltage increase to overclock 30 or 40% so you can do a decent overclock on the stock cooler which is actually quite large. although if you wanted to go to 4000 mhz you would need liquid cooling but they are actually stable at that for daily use.

@jdizzle1337… dude, I’ll stop saying something against you cause I see you have a mental problem.

No, it’s not EXTRA money… if you buy a Windsor you save some money and with that you can buy EXTRA or better hw. My logic is just fine… yours is kinds awkward.

Try to oc… I’ll just laugh at you with your burned-out c2d in your hand. It’s a value comparison… just a few ppl out of the entire consumer market knows how to oc a CPU and even if more of them knew, they probably wouldn’t cause of the warranty implications.

As for Tom’s whateva garden… that’s not hard evidence.Just a pile of BS.

You actually prove my point by saying that yes the Windsor is cheaper and slower but you can spend EXTRA money to make it faster. LOL nice thread of logic there……. NOT. What are you going to do when i overclock my Core 2 Duo with the stock cooler? LOL you are back at square 1, because now my processor is still faster and after you purchase your $50 cooling fan the price for both CPUs will be similar.

Might wanna think about your examples before you give them. Core 2 Duo is better than anything that AMD offers, albeit slightly more expensive, but easier to overclock and more stable. With the Q6600 Kentsfield chip being ~$280 i just giggle at AMD’s meager offerings.

As for Tom’s Hardware, LOL CALM DOWN. I simply linked to the performance charts which are real world scientific benchmarks. I did not link anyone to any pro-Intel articles, or anything like that so calm it down. I just invited people to look at some hard evidence and come to their own conclusions.

Fast forward to the future. Presented with the opportunity to acquire a laptop, I opted for a Core 2 Duo Centrino running only 1.6 GHz. I played Terragen with it and all I can say is… wow. Recently, I upgraded my mother’s PC, I also opted for another Intel – a Pentium D 3 GHz and upped its video and memory. I can really see the performance benefits of having the real 2 core architecture. Impressive. Of course, the price of the Core 2 Duo was an arm and a leg, while the Pentium D is now at such a bargain (rejoices!). I decided not to continue my relationship with AMD at this time because as I read up everywhere I possibly can, they still have major temp problems even with the newer releases of Athlon XP64s. I live in a tropical country – with no A/C at home – so temps played out a lot in my decision-making process. I still enjoy reading about AMD’s cost-per-performance ratio advantage over Intel (that’s quite a popularly known opinion that can be actually taken as fact) but my usability conscience tells me I won’t be able to bite now until major temp issues have been fully resolved.

Meanwhile, I’m enjoying the dropping prices of “obsoleted” Pentium IV’s – hey, for my purposes, they do work nicely. It’s just a matter of keeping my OS to its optimum configuration.

On a related topic, I heard intel have a rejection rate of around 70% of all processors that come out of their factories. anyone else heard similar?
If true, just shows how much money can be made from processors!!

AMD has the upper hand in cost vs performance in the mainstream sector. Only when it comes to overclocking Intel is better, but for a buyer that also means other high performance parts… so the buyer must be either someone that had in mind an upgrade for a long time and saved money or a rich kid. In this case the buyer would have to get also expensive cooling solutions that would make the Intel equal of AMD in price a much more expensive choice but at a better performance. If we just talk about regular buyers, that means: not kids that brag, then AMD is a better choice. Like someone above said… it’s rushed, the C2D platform is to young to be considered ready. Leave it a year or two for revisions to come out, after that you can get stable, bugles and quality product.

And yes! AMD was better than Intel! The K7 platform was a bit better than the PIII platform and after that the AMD64 was a lot better than the PIV That’s why PIV DIED! And also it lasted longar than the domination of PiV over the XP generation! If it would not have been so you would still play with your “P3 Extreme Pumped-up with B.S. Edition” and just dream at a C2D! Oh wait… the C2D platform is based on the PIII platform.

Get a life! Tom’s sh!t garden is just a pile of reviews meant to attract the uninformed user and making a chart between different platforms means and inexact result. Software wise different applications are optimized for the later platforms while leaving the older ones with wither legacy support! Hardware wise, it’s kinda lame to compare DDR to DDR2 or AGP to PCIe!… but hey! “we have the all time chart full of bs” attracts the average bragger that built 1000st of systems!

So Caren wants proof!
OK…

So lets take the first benchmark displayed by tom’s whateva grave yard: 3D Studio Max 9 – Rendering Dragon_Character_rig.

Lets also take close in performance processors:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe: 1:26
AMD X2 6000+ Windsor: 1.27

Now lets go to zipzoomfly and check some prices:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe: 224$
AMD X2 6000+ Windsor: 157$

… and the comp. can go on but I don’t have time.
You can google for reviews between them… it’s not hard!… just for proof!

With the difference between the E6600 and the 6000+ I could just buy some other component like a performance cooler, overclok the AMD and get better performance than the… or faster RAM and I would still get that extra second to beat the C2D!… for the same buck!

Overclock them both and yes, the Intel would beat the AMD but at a bigger price and that system wouldn’t do so well to what stability concerns! Besides, just the overclocking of a CPU doesn’t improve the overall performance of the system… if you do an overclock, you do it to all the overclockable components, if they can be overclocked… I doubt value components can!

If you have money and want something really fast… go buy the best parts nu just the best CPU!