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Hacking Cinea protection for more DVD screeners

Posted on 26.01.2008 at 19:14 in Tech News by Martin

Those of you who actually read scene NFOs could notice a strange thing in last few days. Many groups asked in their NFO for help with something called Cinea protection. PUKKA is probably the most popular of such groups and their NFOs still include a short paragraph. What’s it all about? One of our readers sent us some brief information about this protection, and it could be interesting for all of you.

To combat piracy, Cinea developed its innovative solution, which provides copy protection and piracy tracking for DVDs. Cinea’s solution includes the S-VIEW DVD player and encryption technology to safeguard content. The S-VIEW DVD player offers the highest-quality picture and sound. It also plays standard DVDs. In collaboration with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, and the British Academy of Film and Television Arts, Cinea has distributed the SV300 model of its S-VIEW DVD player to nearly 12,000 of the collective voting members. Recipients of the Cinea S-VIEW players simply need to install the player as part of their home entertainment system, as they would install a regular DVD player, and make a phone call or go online to register with Cinea.

Now the interesting part: Cinea encrypts each disc with a code unique to each member. The Cinea disc delivered to each member will play only on the Cinea S-VIEW DVD player registered by that member. A Cinea encrypted disc cannot be viewed on any other DVD player or computer. So you basically need to have a registered machine to play those review DVD copies, which are sent out to many film critics. You can’t play the disc on any other DVD player, so it’s impossible for a “scene-friendly” critic to share the disc with some release group, which would rip it and spread all over the internet.

So it’s quite obvious why many scene groups look for a help with cracking Cinea. Bypassing those security measures would lead to increased amount of DVD screeners, which often appear months before the final DVD and offer amazing image and audio quality. The good thing is that this protection is already slowly dying, because major companies like Disney who stood behind it refused to sponsor the creation of all discs and DVD players which were distributed for free, but it’s still used. So if you know any way of helping the whole scene would appreciate it. Anyway, it’s only a matter of time as with every protection…

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Rich

January 26th, 2008 | 19:17

i know how to bipass cinea
therapix

January 26th, 2008 | 19:19

Never heard of that hardware. Thanks.
lowkee

January 26th, 2008 | 19:21

If a scene member had access to the voters player and TV couldnt you use the analog hole to record the dvd’s?
slamothecow

January 26th, 2008 | 19:24

I’m all for sharing but this is genius. I can’t wait to see what would happen.
Craven

January 26th, 2008 | 19:24

“If a scene member had access to the voters player and TV couldnt you use the analog hole to record the dvd’s?”

The cinea player places markings on the signal that wouldn’t be noticed by people unless trained for it so capping the video signal would lead to people getting caught. Why trying to break open the video files is much better and safer since each disc is generic.

Last i heard it was too costly and they were going to drop it, shocked this is coming out
K

January 26th, 2008 | 19:25

If ’scene=friendly’ critics can lend scene groups the dvd screeners they recieve, then why the hell wouldn’t they give the scene guys access to their home dvd players? Unless dvd screeners are stolen?
tony

January 26th, 2008 | 19:25

Use region free with ccs encryption that may fix it.
yoyo

January 26th, 2008 | 19:26

Good read, thanks for posting. this could lead to something great!
Mr. X

January 26th, 2008 | 19:27

I find it suspicious that the so called anti-p2p scene is reaching out to the p2p community by asking for help in by-passing cinea. Maybe first they should STFU and change their childish attitudes first, and then maybe we can start delegating. Other wise, GTFO and keep on being leet with your closed community and FTPs.
kelso

January 26th, 2008 | 19:29

I friend of mine that is currently working in the film industry told me that if you put a neodymium iron boron magnet on the actual box itself you can bypass the protection. Worth a try.
Mr. X

January 26th, 2008 | 19:31

right, so why is the news on our website then ENT ? fool yourself
tranceyo

January 26th, 2008 | 19:34

oh man do I want me some ‘there will be blood’
TRON

January 26th, 2008 | 19:35

The scene hackers will crack this protection soon enough, if they haven’t already. No big deal. As the post says, “only a matter of time…..”
G555

January 26th, 2008 | 19:36

intresting
Ash

January 26th, 2008 | 19:39

Mr. X, the NFOs go out to other scene groups, not to p2p. The NFOs are never even meant to leave the scene in the first place, just some twats who have made it into the scene leak them all out.

I don’t think it will be long untill Release Log gets hacked by the scene, can not wait for that day.
hnaso

January 26th, 2008 | 19:41

the dvdscreener for the movie MUNICH was protected by cinea but it was still ripped and releases:

http://www.nforce.nl/index.php?switchto=nfos&menu=quicknav&item=viewnfo&id=102410
cloud

January 26th, 2008 | 19:41

they should say their dvd player is a 360 (hacked one) and copy the files. But delete ifo and create a fresh one just incase.
Mr. X

January 26th, 2008 | 19:42

Ash your ignorance and attitude of backwards thinking and intolerance is the complete downfall of the scene you support. It is also funny to notice your support of rlslog by reading our site and posting comments. Nice to see that you’re a hypocrite as well.
B-Dogg

January 26th, 2008 | 19:43

we are working on it.
discs

January 26th, 2008 | 19:43

they need to post a cinea iso like that apocalypto one (which is impossible to find) so if people do want to work on it they can.
Craven

January 26th, 2008 | 19:44

TRON they worked on dts2.0 for a long long time and just gave up.. Guess the same with this, time to stick with the great memories of the TCF days
Cap'n Chronic

January 26th, 2008 | 19:44

Wouldnt playing it through the DVD player to one of those DVD Decrypter things (its like a box u hook the DVD Player to when u wanna copy a movie to a home DVD Recorder/vcr, i think its called DVDGO) then recording it on a DVDR recorder? or what about camming it from a TV?
nate

January 26th, 2008 | 19:48

I remember when they used a magic marker to bypass the sony CD protections. If it only were that simple.
incog

January 26th, 2008 | 19:51

glad you liked that Martin atb incog
Not Stupid

January 26th, 2008 | 19:51

All the n00bs saying that the NFO’s were meant for scene only needs to show proof of the concept. Otherwise STFU. Mr X is actually sharing some of his logic (his makes more sense than “NFO was only for scene”.)

Any REAL sceners please care to elaborate on the NFO thingy?
Rigsby420

January 26th, 2008 | 19:54

was this not around last year?
I thought Apocalypto was Cinea protected.
GREENMILK

January 26th, 2008 | 19:56

THATS SO!!!!!!!!!!!!CRAZY:o JUST BULL, THEY NEED U TO SPEND YOUR HARD WORKING MONEY ON JUNK.DONT DO IT!!! YOU GO TO BESTBUY ,AND BUY A HITEC CAMCODER LIKE SONY,SET AND RECORD THE MOVIE:KNOW TAKE THAT AND STICK IT UP YOUR @#$$%$#*+ CINA PROTECTION:)
Big Matty Kane

January 26th, 2008 | 19:58

the nfo’s might just be meant for the scene groups but they know others are reading them and theres no need to ask other scene groups for help because once one of them crack it the info will spread quick.This is the scene asking for help from the p2phacker types it so often criticizes for not having their
standards when it comes to filesharing.Like I said why would the scene ask the scene to try and do something it was already trying to do.
Cheng

January 26th, 2008 | 19:59

@23 Read the previous posts man!

its quite simple really, the video signal from the Cinea device contains a invisible watermark that contains detailed information about who it was that had the DVD-screener and the Cinea device making it really easy for MPAA to start suing left and right.
[url]http://www.google.com[/url]

January 26th, 2008 | 20:01

i read this system was phased out.
see: http://torrentfreak.com/drm-is-for-customers-not-for-members-071227/
incog

January 26th, 2008 | 20:12

regarding munic/Apocalypto cinea protected dvd screeners i think you might find that those dvd screeners were also released to critics etc who aint members of the academy/bafta without the cinea protection
MPAAAAPY

January 26th, 2008 | 20:15

@31, I read the same. Sounds like S-View players are already discontinued in favour of watermarking-

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i16c1ed3bf76536b4e2556107cea7d324
chelsea

January 26th, 2008 | 20:15

I found a way yesterday… you just get a knife and scratch on the middle of the disk and that tricks the dvd player and bypasses it
pub

January 26th, 2008 | 20:18

oh dear … why u r thinking they ask p2p ?

is there only scene and p2p ? don´t think so, if u, take a walk outside in ur rl
Mikeovic

January 26th, 2008 | 20:33

^^^ Uh…. pathetic… simple pathetic

ANYWAYS, very informative article. Never knew that such things could be done. But god speed to the crackers (lol) Hopefully they’ll bypass this, as I’m sure they will.
jdizzle1337

January 26th, 2008 | 20:35

Anything that can be done can be undone, this is a basic law of reality. There is no technology that cannot be unencrypted, reverse engineered, hot modded, hacked, flashed, rewritten, exploited, etc.

For every $10million and 5 years that Sony and their ilk invest in creating that “uncrackable protection” some up and coming hacker [probably a 14yr old kid in Lithuania] makes a name for himself and cracks it within 6 months and releases the source for free. He then gets hired by some software company and gets paid $750,000/yr and Sony, et al go back to the drawing board. This basic cycle has been an on going event since the moment disc copy protection was implemented.

By time a new disc technology takes hold (such as Blu Ray and HDDVD) most limewire kiddies and noobs dont even realize that there ever was such a thing as BD+ . Just look back at how laughable PC game CD-ROM technology was, and then DVD game and movie copy protection now today its just laughable at best, and BD+ seriously are you kidding me?. Why would you think any new BD , much less a DVD copy protection be any more permanent than its predecessors.

Where there is a will there is a way, and there is ALOT of will in the scene. Trust me on that one.
NettiWelho

January 26th, 2008 | 20:36

If that otherwise works as a DVD player, my TV has 2-way USB2-compitable port through which i can record stuff on screen to my computer or move stuff i have on computer to internal HD of the TV, i could just play it in the player, and have the computer copy whats on the screen and audio channels

not that hard really…
Omar

January 26th, 2008 | 20:42

This company is actually abandoning the use of this method ,due to compliants from voting members that having to lug around the player while on vaction is a pain. The on going costs of the upkeep of this system is also great ,thus making it not feaseable to keep the program going . The members are allowed to keep the dvd players for free but not give them away. The company stated tht it will continue working on other methods of protection other than this. just do your research !!
d_YeN

January 26th, 2008 | 20:44

If every disc has a number coded to it then the “leaker” would get caught straight away!

And getting someone round to rip it properly isnt as easy as just handing over a disc is it?

It’ll soon get to a stage where it will go direct into the reviews home on something like sky+ or cable etc…
zepski

January 26th, 2008 | 20:50

Direct from pukka’s last nfo:
Pls do NOT email if you have nothing to offer, also this is not the
p2p helpdesk. We do not put our rls on p2p or want them there.
We don’t need anymore affils thx, pls don’t email

——————————————————-
So as far as i can tell this was not a call out to p2p but instead just someone trying to get the scene help even though they don’t want it.
whatever

January 26th, 2008 | 20:51

awwwww Mr. X is upset that he doesnt have “scene” access…poor little guy.

This is great software, but like anything else just a matter of time before it is bypassed or smashed
jhjh

January 26th, 2008 | 20:54

cinea is being phased out. most screeners this year were just watermarked out the ass. you’re a year late on this one.
Aesop

January 26th, 2008 | 20:55

so this device shown in the picture is just a encryption method
of playing screener-dvds on dvd players or pcs.
If this is only an encryption type like CSS, rather than the original standalone player made by the company Cinea it WILL be cracked.
you loko at CD and DVD protection in the last few years. CSS was the biggest cracked release as it was all over DIGG, a while ago along with the HDDVD algorithm. Today Securom is the biggest tech savy encrption still easily cracked by Daemon Tools or Alcohol 120. There is a method i have heard of decrypting the cinea device with a simple 6×6 pattern or symbols and characters, but its not simply that easy i looked into the matter only to find out that one of these devices had been cracked by the SCENE, which is a result in the incredible spike in DVDSCR and releases. The Scene has already won, but if something like this topic hit public, which now it has, it would eventually want to be answered by wannabe sceners only the threaten the existence of people who spread entertainment to millions of pirates over the world.
memyself&1

January 26th, 2008 | 21:03

what about putting the SVIDEO to a videorecorder and put the video channel to aux and put this onto a DVD-recorder?

it even worked with macrovision to get rid of the green
Rich3491

January 26th, 2008 | 21:05

eventualy cinea will be bipassed, oh, i already can, He he he he
Michael

January 26th, 2008 | 21:08

Just tell the scene friendly critic to record the movie on Blu-Ray. Better quality.
Rich3491

January 26th, 2008 | 21:12

@47

how cool
Wasup

January 26th, 2008 | 21:21

Seems like people r nuts in here.
About the “nfo”. Of course the nfo aint directed to P2P, u have to understand that there is maybe 10000people in the scene. Maybe even more. And I guess PUKKA doesnt know more then maybe 50-100people. Well, that makes 9900peeps left.
I also guess, that u have more or less have to have this Cinea-device at home or it might be PRETTY hard to hack.
plasma

January 26th, 2008 | 21:22

They should make slight changes to the cut so each DVD is different without watermarks or coding.

By extending a film scene by a few seconds and then searching the RIP even if it was encoded and transformed you could write a pattern like 1,3,5,2,7,5,4 and find the leak.

The Batch process would only need say 100 altered scenes during the editing, then run another batch to create 10,000 DVD’s with different +/- times for several scenes during the film spliced in different orders, to spell out a code. The reviewers wouldn’t notice a few seconds extra and the rippers would need lots of leaked copies and time, or have to randomly cut parts out of the film in the hope of covering up the code, which could be in a parity format to stop this.
placenta

January 26th, 2008 | 21:23

sorry to go off-topic, but does anyone have any idea when an R5 or Enchanted might come out? It’s strange that even though movies released later like I Am Legend already have a DVDSCR, but Enchanted still only has a CAM and a nuked TC. Ya, I know its a ‘kiddie’ movie but still.. So does anyone have any guess to when we might see a screener/r5 released?
Marco Polo

January 26th, 2008 | 21:24

Cloverfield.DVDSCR.XviD-20th is on some torrent site.
Nezzox

January 26th, 2008 | 21:25

“or what about camming it from a TV?”

HAHAHAHA, my god… I can imagine the quality… and I wouldnt download a “home cam”. It is right up there on my hate list, just next to regular cams.
Alex

January 26th, 2008 | 21:30

@51 shi t too long dude too long jejeje

@53 IS FAKE SHI T

@52 ENchanted IS A WAIST OF TIME
Robert Ford

January 26th, 2008 | 21:36

If camming a scr played through the cinea is the easiest way to distribute it to everyone then why not do it? How much worse could a cam of someones television be than one from a theatre? At least there won’t be peoples heads or laughing or farting or any of the other numerous distractions.
X

January 26th, 2008 | 21:37

Is it not possible to somehow digitally broadcast the movie onto another tv with digital receiver and then record it on that tv with a digital dvd recorder. Of course you then loose some quality, because it went from one digital to another digital signal.
RiNgDiNgDoNg

January 26th, 2008 | 21:39

rapidshare and xdrive links for cinea please.
placenta

January 26th, 2008 | 21:43

@58

LOL
incog

January 26th, 2008 | 21:45

@ 44 jhjh tell puka that their info is to late lol ok peeps why would a member of academy hook up a dvd recorder to record their cinea protected dvds?? read the article cinea protected discs wont play on anything other than the actuall cinea player that its coded to!
Ksawery

January 26th, 2008 | 21:51

LOL! i am sure there will be someone who will crack it, and it will be as simple as all the copy protection…

and all those who invested £££ onto the anti-piracy sfuff will be pwned big time.
discs

January 26th, 2008 | 22:04

Rip it in linux guys, rip it in linux…
JJ

January 26th, 2008 | 22:04

anything can be cracked….as soon as they create something someone is busy working their way around it….
Rich3491

January 26th, 2008 | 22:13

sorry for off topic but look at what has just been released!!

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http://www.scenemachine.org/details.php?id=6917
Joe

January 26th, 2008 | 22:15

The only way to prevent a screener leak is to not have any screener. Just fly the critics to a few locations for screenings. It may be cheaper for the industry if they care about stopping leaks that much.
dope

January 26th, 2008 | 22:15

Why is this info a year old, 3 mths old or 4 mths old but a year. WHERE HAVE YOU SCENE AXX PEEPS BEEN

MR X KNOWS 0%
TRON

January 26th, 2008 | 22:15

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Rich3491

January 26th, 2008 | 22:17

@67, too late
dope

January 26th, 2008 | 22:17

^^^ NUKED pre’d without NFO
Waldo

January 26th, 2008 | 22:19

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nate

January 26th, 2008 | 22:26

is this anything like halo 3 ?
Rich3491

January 26th, 2008 | 22:28

@71 nate

SHUT UP ABOUT HALO 3, IT IS CRAP!!
alk

January 26th, 2008 | 22:30

any ya storage links for sleuth!

also it might be better if they do a straight shot from there company to the tv, to fix that solution of anything, like they do in the hotels.. just brodcast it threw the tv…
Steve

January 26th, 2008 | 22:51

I’m finding it rather funny that the very companies who would lose a fraction of money from screeners leaked would not spend the same amount or less to keep this protection in place. This proves that they care more for money than integrity of the system.
BL00DY arg

January 26th, 2008 | 22:59

Cagamos!
dope

January 26th, 2008 | 23:05

1St lool

Please press the back button and fill the required field for spam protection.
nate

January 26th, 2008 | 23:09

@ 72 dude calm down and take a joke

;D
sybull

January 26th, 2008 | 23:26

Why do they spend all this money ? So that once a year they can spend even more money on an event where they pat each other on the back! What a bunch of wankers!
idomagic

January 26th, 2008 | 23:28

@74

Why would companies care for the system?

Of course it’s about the money, always has been, always will be.
Alfred

January 26th, 2008 | 23:42

why not just feed the dvd player though some sort of digital recorder, play it though, the use the recording?
rezsbc

January 27th, 2008 | 00:05

Can’t believe so many people here don’t actually read what this does and suggest over and over “just record it on a dvd recorder,” “why not cam your tv?”…

This watermark enables the studio’s to trace which person’s CINEA player was used to play the movie the cap was done for…

…result, that person out of the academy and in a lot of hot water… so why are they going to risk all that just to help mostly morons on the internet???

Interested to know if this will be cracked, from the site posted above it’s resistent to adding noise, resizing, colour/contrast changes pretty much everything you might think of….

plasma’s idea is very very good really hope the MPAA don’t read this thread!!!!
meh

January 27th, 2008 | 00:23

Maybe they should contact the guy that cracked the HDDVD AACS protection.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871
costa200

January 27th, 2008 | 00:33

People who say NFO’s are for scene only are ridiculous. So the scene people are asking other scene group members to join them or are they searching for the random movie/game industry worker who got their stuff to pitch in? It is clear that they are asking for NEW recruits, not directing their advertizing to people already in the scene.

This whole legend that the scene is a closed club is just a sign of n00bness. It never was and only in recent years have i began hearing about some youngsters wanting to shut out everybody else.
orly

January 27th, 2008 | 01:12

might wunna check the facts about cinea before you posted this

Cinea has been scrapped and pukka prob just not changed nfo gen yet

http://torrentfreak.com/drm-is-for-customers-not-for-members-071227/
Jim

January 27th, 2008 | 01:23

One obvious, albeit less preferable way to deal with this would be to have a simple standalone device with a hard drive, like a laptop, that records the decoded video and audio stremams that pass out of the properly registered DVD device, auatomically encoding it in real time into probably another dvd, and then forward that on to someone in the scene. Not sure if such technology exists, but this seems like the easiest way to solve the problem in a day… obviously the long-term solution is cracking the encryption technology itself, but that may take longer.
Dan

January 27th, 2008 | 01:29

@85…

It exists, it’s called Camtasia.
bdv

January 27th, 2008 | 01:30

Thanks for the article

love the comments too !
discs

January 27th, 2008 | 01:46

the watermarks are part of the decoding process
Brad

January 27th, 2008 | 01:51

OLD NEWS this thread….

Cinea would only be used a big name movies that the movie company would ask for but have to pay $$$ which some will and some wont.

Watermarking is a real pain in the ass and is the only thing thats worked somewhat. The watermarking will change in how its done and also can also be hidden in the audio as well.

Cinea can be annoying for these movie critics especially ones who are always on the move and not at home so taking the cinea dvd player on their travels to where they may be goin is a pain for them and alot of them haven’t even bothered registering their cinea players cause they aren’t intrested with the hassles. They just want to be able to watch the movie where ever they are and also share the movie with close friends and family members.

Movie critics, Oscar judges etc copy movies as well , If you were a judge/critic wouldn’t you copy & share them with family/friends ?

I know I would & so they do…
incog

January 27th, 2008 | 01:56

@84 yea it is scrapped ie new players getting made theres still 12,000 of these players in circulation and next year there will be 12,000 cinea encrypted discs sent out for each film…ffs read the article
hot daymn!

January 27th, 2008 | 02:07

90 of you posters above me are all talking bull. CINEA has already been hacked. Don’t YOU read?

All 90 OF YOU ABOVE ME SUX BAWLZ! XD

I REPEAT, CINEA has been HACKED!!!!!!!!

–
AlphA

January 27th, 2008 | 02:45

RE: #91.. Well don’t just say it… post links to prove it.

My theory: Nothing is uncrackable. Sure the discs will only play on these Cinea pieces of Sh1t… Big whoop deee doo.. Nintendo DS, Gameboy etc….. those games only run on Nintendo consoles..Don’t they?? Well NO… They don’t the PC is the master of emulation just give it time and it will be done.

The term: Hack proof should be banned. NOTHING is 100% secure you fools.
Sam

January 27th, 2008 | 02:47

Cinea is being phased out.
“Cinea remains committed to anti-piracy, changing focus from the S-View platform to support of its watermarking technology, Running Marks, This business decision had nothing to do with lack of studio support.”

It’s possible that the scene has already cracked the protection, due to the amount of screeners coming out lately, but if they were to tell everyone or remove it from their .nfo then Cinea would just change the encryption/make it better.
Sam

January 27th, 2008 | 02:52

Also looks like Cinea are moving onto watermarks…
http://anonym.to/?http://www.cinea.com/s-track.html
dan

January 27th, 2008 | 03:15

from my old hacking days, and as true now as it was then

“There is no site that cannot be hacked, and no program that cannot be cracked; given enough time and skill.”

The cat and mouse game continues.
meh

January 27th, 2008 | 04:14

#91 - “Don’t YOU read?”

I can haz book?
Pheonix

January 27th, 2008 | 04:47

I did not know they had such things but when I use to be broke all the time and couldn’t afford to buy movies at $19.95 I bought a Zenith DVR413,rent a movie for $3.95, would put the copy protected disk in a basic little apex dvd player and when it came on record to my zenith. DVR413 just records straight from the tv doesn’t read for encoding so it rips anything. That was many yrs before I learned about the scene and got involved in it but I still have my zenith and still get my tv shows recorded with it! Will burn impecably and will burn anything through the tv just have them hook it up at an output to input from the tv and cinea is dead.
No Soup 4U

January 27th, 2008 | 04:49

@#72- Correct. But Halo 4 kicks a$$.
Useless

January 27th, 2008 | 06:20

The scene is relatively useless now, with most screeners making it to torrents and being stolen in scene by the ‘major’ groups.. i.e. (I Am Legend - IMBT). It’s only a matter of time until it’s rendered largely useless for movies. I’m sure it will be crippled again by some big busts as usual. And more of those dooshbags will realize how pointless it is. Hopefully TFA, PCD, DST, pHASE, and the rest of the morons go down that weren’t caught in the ‘05 busts.
CINEA

January 27th, 2008 | 07:01

it is UNTRACEABLE !
numpton

January 27th, 2008 | 07:15

Facet Video Clarifier = google
OrthodoxAthiest

January 27th, 2008 | 09:54

@38 jdizzle1337.
“Anything that can be done can be undone, this is a basic law of reality.”
Back to school, dude! I prefer the latter-quoted “nothing is 100% secure”.
You can split an atom… you truly cannot unsplit it.
Regardless, I agree with the message you were trying to convey. If you can make money, or even just mess with someone by cracking something, someone will crack it… even if its for the challenge.