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101. Snoory
     October 21st, 2008 | 02:14

     MS13,

     You know, at first I was just curious: a guy from my college took me to Scientology center and I did personality test. It was interesting to listen to evaluation of the test and then I just bought Dianetics book (Dianetics is a part of Scientology). I read the book, found it interesting and put it on the shelf. As far as I remember, one year passed and I decided to read it again. What I found was that the book was really a kind of textbook about the mind, how it works, how we get problems in life and so forth, and, the most important, it contained the technology capable of solving those problems. You know, I graduated from a high techical school, so I had the idea of what “technology” is. So, it was very logical on the paper and, what is more, my observations gave support to what I read in the book. Okay, what I needed was to apply this technology in practice and see whether it gives the results. So I took part in Scientology spiritual counseling, I got the results and I liked them. Then I began to study Scientology more deeply. It is basically about improving some or other aspect of your life. Gradually. You know, people go to school. First grade, second grade, etc. They gain knowledge gradually. The same is in Scientology. You improve your life gradually. At first, you solve, say, problems in communication, then you handle, say, sufferings from some past experience, whatever. Gradually, you improve your spiritual condition and becomes more and more aware of your spiritual self (sorry for my English, I am Russian). I know people who are aware of their own problems and want to handle them. And also I know people who do not want to handle their own problems. For some reason they prefer to suffer, drink wodka or get high on drugs, or whatever. And what I found, those who want to handle their problems turn to Scientology. And the vast majority of them find out how to help themselves using Scientology technology. This is that simple.

     You asked me about beliefs. There are Scientology beliefs, of course. They are described in the Creed of Scientology. Well, prime beliefs are that man is immortal spiritual being whose existence is not limited to this lifetime, and that man is basically good and his salvation depends on himself and his relationships with other people. These are fundamentals. The Creed in full is here: http://www.scientology.org/world/worldeng/corp/creed.htm

     And aside from beliefs we have practices. Central practices are Scientology training and spiritual counseling called auditing.

     We have a number of social programs, such as drug education program, human rights program, the program for regabilitation of criminals, and others. We have also the volunteer ministers corps who provide relief to people at places of natural disasters or terrorist attacks. I take part in some of these programs here in Russia, and it gives me pleasure, too.

102. xxxx
     October 21st, 2008 | 03:33

     F@CK Scientology !!!

103. daeb
     October 21st, 2008 | 07:29

     FREE DMITRIY GUZNER

104. Tuge Hits
     October 21st, 2008 | 10:22

     Right listen up children, i will say this in easy to follow language:

     This 18 year old kid is a vandal. He vandalised property that did not belong to him. He should be made an example of so these anonymous children learn a lesson. Whatever opinion you have on scientology is completely irrelevant. Little Dmitry Guzner is about to have himself a new a55hole ripped. I have no time for scientology, but i have less time for these script-kiddies who fancy themselves as web terrorists. Why don’t you kids moan as passionately about stormfront or some such site rather than some cult which basically just robs rich actors?

105. smurf_me
     October 21st, 2008 | 11:34

     a HERO for sure lets make protest!!! F*ck Scientology idiots

106. Kwipper
     October 21st, 2008 | 13:58

     Scientology is NOT a religion. It is a cult. This cult needs to be destroyed! It destroys minds and lives and even kills people.

107. common sense
     October 21st, 2008 | 14:34

     Kwipper
     October 21st, 2008 | 13:58
     Scientology is NOT a religion. It is a cult. This cult needs to be destroyed! It destroys minds and lives and even kills people.
     ——————
     So does the idiotic idea that you children have that anytime some pimple faced dweeb or pi%$ed off employee locks up a server, that they somehow are “hero’s” and should be respected or given a parade. What would happen if one of these creeps did damage to a server that allowed a hospital or a nursing home to run and then cause the deaths of people or caused innocent people to lose their homes because they cannot be paid, or their kids to be punished for something they did not do…would you children be so quick to cry “hero” then? Or how about they hack YOU and then format your hard drive and infect your computer with a ‘memory/cpu’ virus that forces you to actually pay money to rebuild your computer because you lost everything and cannot use the same parts because some of them are infected (and yes children, these viruses DO exist, they imbed themselves into your bios’s chip or hard drive and the newer ones actually damage the cpu or the memory according to CERT=Computer Emergency Response Team, and just remember before you say they dont exist, people use to say that you could not include a virus in a picture or jpg, and now you not only CAN do it, but there are programs out there that tell you and show you how to do it in detail!) Would you be so swift to insist that this soon to be jailhouse b^%ch is somehow a hero? I dont think so. It is one thing to come to sites like this…it is something completely different to intentionally damage someone elses property as this is reported and then competely destroys any ideals that there is a difference between white hat Hackers who make sure programs run without a glitch so you dont have a computer that crashes every blinking time you move a mouse or a banking system that makes sure your deposits go to the right account, and black hat hack0rs and script kiddies like you who do this for fun and then wonder why the public at large has a very dark view of hacking.

     If I had my way there would be an intelligence level test BEFORE you would be allowed to own a computer and I can guarentee you that the vast majority of you whining script kiddies in this thread would not be allowed to even see one except from a distance as you are too stupid to understand the responsibility of your actions in hacking. And you really dont see the irony of the problem you cause. You think it is so great that people can take down a webpage or lock up a server and hurt innocent people, and then in the very same breath you whine and cry about the harse sentences the same people get when they are caught. All you who are doing this are walking talking living proof that Evolution just may be true as you are a sure sign the intelligence level of the younger generations are devolving.

108. Chronos
     October 21st, 2008 | 14:45

     Kwipper, I suppose you forgot to add: “Jews are inferior. They do not deserve life and must be destroyed!”

     Some people here are so fed with misinformation that it seems that they are ready to justify not only destruction of property of other people, but even indiscriminate destruction of the whole communities.

109. Nobody
     October 21st, 2008 | 17:31

     @105: Motive is a relatively important fixture of legal systems around the world, so why would the apparent motive behind this action be irrelevant? Perhaps if more time was spent understanding the motive here, and fairly addressing the relevant concerns, the DDoS would never have happened. This seems a far more sensible solution – preventing crime by addressing its root causes, rather than blindly ignoring the problem and ineffectively treating the symptoms, by punishing criminals.

     @108: I’d suspect that few would speak in support of attacks which endangered the lives of others. There is irony in your comment though, as much criticism of the CoS centres around the fact that many people view it as a harmful organisation which does in fact destroy people’s lives. Please, at least skim the following links:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard
     http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

     Are you so certain that these cases are all, 100% entirely fiction, that you would pass judgement on those demanding answers? Comparing someone who (misguidedly – I and others admit) participated in a DDoS attack to raise awareness about these concerns, to someone who would knowingly attack a hospital and endanger the lives of others, is a little excessive.

     To those who think that Scientology focuses entirely on lightening the wallets of the rich and gullible – have a read through some of these links. See many celebrities coming off as victims? Funny that.

110. SemDD
     October 21st, 2008 | 19:05

     Snoory, you make quite an impression of being a smart guy. That’s admirable. You also make the evident connection of trying to be a Scientology apologetic.
     Pointing out all the mechanical beauties of the cult, achieved through some “technology” really does not negate all the hard evidence against its darker practices at all.
     If you are indeed living in Russia, you would be even more aware that as a country from the former eastern block, now it is rife and full of all the kinds of little weedy cults and sects, rushing to fill in the gap from the fall of communism. And you might have fallen for that trap, too. You keep pointing the most visible benign aspects of the cult of scientology, but how about their proven “fair game” policy for disallowing a change of mind for their followers, their highly litigative nature and the pretention of copyrighting and profiteering from the “teachings” of their founder? If you think that the scientologist aren’t preying on the weak and full of disposable cash, you are plain wrong. It does not make it any better than the rest of the organized religions, indeed it may be showing the path to the future organized transgressions on the human species (the last bastion of the unknown is the science and technology itself, mirky enough to be a secret to the masses), but it is going to be an epic fail due to the internet and the raised voice from its sufferers.
     Why don’t you just provide us with an insight just how “cheap” or “free” your path and involvement into scientology has been so long?
     Also, do you belive in Xenu? or your opinion is copyrighted and secret? so long the cult hasn’t openly detached itself from the clearly insane ramblings about the distant evil god and the numerous nukes blowing our predecessor souls and bla-bla. At least communism should have taught you that there is no Santa, let alone Xenu.

111. SemDD
     October 21st, 2008 | 20:06

     SemDD,

     What is your personal experience with Chruch of Scientology? Have you ever been in Scientology church? Have you read any book by L.Ron Hubbard? Maybe, you did any training or spiritual counseling? You know, you will also make impression of a really smart person if you seek first-hand knowledge instead of digging biased resources.

     By the way, maybe you have ever been in Russia?

     As for “Fair Game”, the documented truth about it is here:
     http://www.scientologymyths.info/fair-game/

     I am free to believe in what I want to believe, and I believe in what I can understand. There are hundreds and hundreds of religions in the world, and Scientology is one of them, and it is my religious choice. As for “what it costs me” to be a Scientologist, you don’t have to worry about my purse. I can afford making donations to the Church from time to time and to get what I need. By the way, if you can show me a church where one can make solid and stable spiritual progress without making any contributions whatsoever, it would be nice to learn more about it.

     Once again, you CAN learn for yourself what Scientology is. In every church you can get a tour about the church and ask any questions you want. There are official sites. After all, there is Scientology video channel at http://www.youtube.com/churchofscientology or http://www.scientology.org, you can watch it.

112. Snoory
     October 21st, 2008 | 20:10

     The post above is by Snoory, sorry for accidentally using your nick, SemDD

113. common sense
     October 22nd, 2008 | 00:08

     Nobody
     October 21st, 2008 | 17:31
     @105: Motive is a relatively important fixture of legal systems around the world, so why would the apparent motive behind this action be irrelevant? Perhaps if more time was spent understanding the motive here, and fairly addressing the relevant concerns, the DDoS would never have happened. This seems a far more sensible solution – preventing crime by addressing its root causes, rather than blindly ignoring the problem and ineffectively treating the symptoms, by punishing criminals.
     —————————–
     Oh really?? And just where is your croc tears for the peole in Frisco where a nutcase has locked up the whole city because he is mad at them possibly calling him names and making him work 7 days a week, neglecting to mention that he REFUSED to allow anyone else to see how he hooked this up or to even show them how he did it so that he just MAY have got a little time off? So instead of doing the intelligent thing of showing people how to fix this system, he then snaps and whines the whole department is after him and then locks up a system that the city employees depend on for being paid. And what do I see here? Children and script kiddies writing crap like he is the best thing since sliced bread and completely ignoring the people that he is hurting that do not know even who this scroat is let alone could pick his arse out of a line up.

     @108: I’d suspect that few would speak in support of attacks which endangered the lives of others. There is irony in your comment though, as much criticism of the CoS centres around the fact that many people view it as a harmful organisation which does in fact destroy people’s lives. Please, at least skim the following links:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard
     http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

     Are you so certain that these cases are all, 100% entirely fiction, that you would pass judgement on those demanding answers? Comparing someone who (misguidedly – I and others admit) participated in a DDoS attack to raise awareness about these concerns, to someone who would knowingly attack a hospital and endanger the lives of others, is a little excessive.

     To those who think that Scientology focuses entirely on lightening the wallets of the rich and gullible – have a read through some of these links. See many celebrities coming off as victims? Funny that.
     ——————-
     No, “funny that” are people like you who cannot stick to the topic and try to bring in other items to justify your imagined point. The question was if this kind of hacking should be honored or not, it has nothing to do what-so-ever with your political view of things.

     If you cannot stay on topic, then please keep quiet and let people who are in the same discussion speak as you have added nothing to the conversation except to show that you have no blinking idea what the he!! you are talking about in the first place. And even IF people are dying in this so-called church, so what? No one forced them to join it and they could leave at anytime. And even if they did not, what this “jail;house b(&^h” did was hack a system BECAUSE one washed up actor who takes children almost twice his age younger then he is as a wife; was not allowed to talk about other religions according to him? And that somehow justifies what he did according to you?? ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS OR JUST IGNORANT??? YOU DO NOT have the right to do this to another persons webpage and then possibly hurt them or stalk them. YOU DO NOT have the right to deface a persons site just because you are angry with them and YOU FREAKIN DO NOT have the right to try and excuse or defend actions like this and then wonder why you are attacked for your statements.

     Any damn time you think you have that right, let’s send the next one after you and see how YOU like the results. THAT is the point I am trying to drill into these childrens heads as actions have and result in consequences, or for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You hack a site and get nailed, then you cannot blame anyone BUT yourself as no one placed a gun to your head and forced you to do it. And all the excuses in the world from children here and like you will not amount to a freaking hill of beans to change that. And if you believe you can by smoke screens that you posted, then feel free to change positions with this dweeb any time and take his place on the jailhouse walk for your owner to get a pack of smokes for you selling your arse. How do I know what happens in a prison? Simple…I was a person in the military who spoke with people who were getting ready to be placed in prison and talked with them after they were released and getting ready to go back to “the real world” as they say. I could tell you horror stories about the “fish” who come into a prison and then spend th night screaming their guts out as they are gang raped by 10 or 20 guys or they are hearing the screams and knowing that they will be next in line.

     So DO NOT try and justify this persons actions as it wont work.

114. A.Bundy
     October 22nd, 2008 | 00:44

     A true hero! but you got one thing wrong. he’s not a man, he’s a teenager. thats why they call it eigh-teen!! duh!

115. Nobody
     October 22nd, 2008 | 00:48

     @114: You may notice that I specifically voiced my lack of support for the DDoS, in my very first post, and have re-iterated it a few times since then. I don’t condone that at all, I’m simply attempting to point out some of the possible reasons behind the action, as there was a motive, despite it being a dumb thing to do.

     I have no idea what you’re trying to prove by pointing out to me that I’m not supporting the ‘nutcase’ in Frisco – of course I’m not, I’m not supporting any form of DDoS. Perhaps you have mistaken me for one of the people who does approve of the DDoS which was undertaken? More importantly, the discussion at hand is regarding a DDoS against the CoS – so discussion regarding the attack you speak of would indeed be off-topic (you bring this irrelevant topic up, then proceed to accuse me of going off-topic?).

     With the rest of your comment, you call me ignorant directly after saying “who cares if people are dying, it’s their own fault anyway”. It’s no surprise with that kind of mindset that you cannot, or do not want to, understand the context surrounding this DDoS attack.

     Finally, you also once again make the mistaken point that I am attempting to justify these actions. To spell it out once more, I am not doing any such thing. The people responsible for this DDoS do deserve punishment, as what they did was the wrong thing to do – there are legal avenues of protest, and their actions have done more to harm their point than make it.

     At no point in any of my comments have I stated that I endorse the use of DDoS to make a point, that I think this guy is a hero, or any of that. What I’ve done is simply tried to contribute my understanding of the motive behind this action, which I continue to feel is relevant.

116. common sense
     October 22nd, 2008 | 05:43

     A.Bundy
     October 22nd, 2008 | 00:44
     A true hero! but you got one thing wrong. he’s not a man, he’s a teenager. thats why they call it eigh-teen!! duh!
     ————–
     Duh is right, cept that your statements refer to you. at 18 you are considered an adult and are completely responsible for you OWN actions. So it makes no difference if he was 18 or 19, he is still an adult and he will be treated like same. So he better get use to 10 years of people telling him what to do during the day, and 10 years of nights of his cellmate telling what position to take as this is his future for his actions.

     Nobody
     October 22nd, 2008 | 00:48
     @114: You may notice that I specifically voiced my lack of support for the DDoS, in my very first post, and have re-iterated it a few times since then. I don’t condone that at all, I’m simply attempting to point out some of the possible reasons behind the action, as there was a motive, despite it being a dumb thing to do.

     * and you neglect to see that what I was trying to drill into your head is there IS NO MOTIVE NOR is thereANY REASON for him to do this. If he has a problem with the “church” then badmouth them to his hearts content, but you STOP at trying to destroy their webpage as that does not belong to him and there is NO justification nor reason for said action…NONE!*

     I have no idea what you’re trying to prove by pointing out to me that I’m not supporting the ‘nutcase’ in Frisco – of course I’m not, I’m not supporting any form of DDoS. Perhaps you have mistaken me for one of the people who does approve of the DDoS which was undertaken? More importantly, the discussion at hand is regarding a DDoS against the CoS – so discussion regarding the attack you speak of would indeed be off-topic (you bring this irrelevant topic up, then proceed to accuse me of going off-topic?).

     *No, I went off topic to show you how idiotic you use of sites showing people who died while members of that church was. And thank you, you have just proved my point of you going off topic.*

     With the rest of your comment, you call me ignorant directly after saying “who cares if people are dying, it’s their own fault anyway”. It’s no surprise with that kind of mindset that you cannot, or do not want to, understand the context surrounding this DDoS attack.

     *Sigh…let me tell you one more time since you obviously have a hard time dealing with reality…THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION in what this guy did…NONE. You cannot on one hand give the impression that he was right even though he broke the law, and then on the other hand give the impression that this is justified somehow. They are two different animals. Granted he was mad at the ‘church’ and granted he wanted to do something..but to try and destroy private property as a protest was the dumbest thing in the world. All he did was give people like the SBA and the RIAA ammo to attack others and give people who do not use computers or do not understand them, a reason to fear or distrust those of us who do. As a beta tester and a white hat, I am getting sick and damn tired of having to explain the difference to people who look at me in fear when I say I play around with computers, all because actions like this. Do you read 2600 mag? Or Popular Computing? There are pages and pages of stories warning people against people who work with computers in trying to stop hacks, because of moronic sh&ts like this! Ask a person who writes viruses or attacks computer sites and the FIRST FREAKIN thing they say is “hackers” Why? because of dumb sh^ts like this and the people who defend him! So why am I so angry? because I am being lumped into the same base as this little turd just because of what I do with computers and I am sick and freaking tired of it and so are the others that I speak with who do the same thing I do. If it was up to me all of these script kiddies would be hung up by the short hairs and used for target practice for people wating to brake a pinata.*

     Finally, you also once again make the mistaken point that I am attempting to justify these actions. To spell it out once more, I am not doing any such thing. The people responsible for this DDoS do deserve punishment, as what they did was the wrong thing to do – there are legal avenues of protest, and their actions have done more to harm their point than make it.

     *Really? then why post this? it seems that you are sympathetic to his so called plight “I’d suspect that few would speak in support of attacks which endangered the lives of others. There is irony in your comment though, as much criticism of the CoS centres around the fact that many people view it as a harmful organisation which does in fact destroy people’s lives. Please, at least skim the following links:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard
     http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

     Are you so certain that these cases are all, 100% entirely fiction, that you would pass judgement on those demanding answers? Comparing someone who (misguidedly – I and others admit) participated in a DDoS attack to raise awareness about these concerns, to someone who would knowingly attack a hospital and endanger the lives of others, is a little excessive.” Cant have it both ways dude, either he committed a crime or he didnt, there IS NO GRAY AREA!*

     At no point in any of my comments have I stated that I endorse the use of DDoS to make a point, that I think this guy is a hero, or any of that. What I’ve done is simply tried to contribute my understanding of the motive behind this action, which I continue to feel is relevant.

     *see my reply above*

117. nin
     October 22nd, 2008 | 17:12

     ddos has nothing to do with hacking. NOTHING

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