Hacker faces 10 years for taking down Scientology
An 18-year-old New Jersey man will plead guilty to the January online attacks that took down the Church of Scientology’s Web site, federal prosecutors said Friday. Dmitriy Guzner of Verona, New Jersey, was part of an underground hacking group called Anonymous that has made the church a target of several attacks. He was charged Friday but has agreed to plead guilty sometime in the next few weeks, the U.S. Department of Justice said in a statement. He faces 10 years in prison on computer hacking charges.
The attacks began Jan. 19 and managed to knock the Scientology.org Web site offline by hitting it with several bursts of unwanted Internet traffic. The attack, known as a distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack, flooded the site with as much as 220M bps of traffic, according to computer security firm Arbor Networks. That’s considered to be a decent-sized DDOS attack and was enough to disable the Web site temporarily. Anonymous quickly followed its attacks with a series of YouTube videos, claiming its actions were a response to what it said were efforts by the Church to suppress a video of movie star Tom Cruise professing his admiration for the religion.
Source: PC World
Comments(118)
A true hero.
The world needs more people like him.
this guy should be exempt from paying tax for the rest of his life, a real hero.
sucks that anonymous never really made any action on their threats other than the first attack… they had such a cool vid… and then… nothing… bah
Why is the news so intent on misidentifying all sorts of thing that are definitely not “hacking”?
So a “church” is willing to send a man to prison for taking down a web site? Nice one guyz! So i suppose YOUR GOD is not of the ones that FORGIVES?! Yeah it is very church-like to send an 18 year old to jail for playing around with his PC just because you damn useless people didn’t give him something better to do (maybe a f****** job!) now that the whole world is in crysis…
We definitely need more people like him. Especially, if they’ll manage to shut down Scientology’s site permanently. I mean, let’s get serious, how dare they name a CULT that’s entirely based on a Sci-Fi novel, Scientology? It’s completely absurd, they have nothing to do with science.
Sorry for the off topic ranting
The fact is, what he did was right in my book, and if I could hack, I’d DDOS it myself too
10 years in prison… hero to an hero.
scientologists are evil vermin-nuke em all!
Anonymous was truly an hero. R.I.P.
Ouch, glad I didn’t participate in the fun.
@pug206
You’re mostly right, except for the God part, Scientologists don’t believe in God, they think that life on Earth was created by an alien who threw some “people” down here from space a long long time ago and then nuked it :s
I personally am an atheist, but I’d sooner believe in God than in that lame ass story.
Why isn’t there a website where people can donate for his legal fees already? This guy needs to walk. No religion should ever be allowed to act like Scientology does, hell, the “regular” churches at least have laws that govern what they’re allowed to do. Pseudotology has no authority to answer to whatsoever, they don’t even pay taxes in most places. They’re a cult nothing less.
And why is “Anonymous” referred to as a hacker group? Has nothing to do with hacking per se. The group consists of individuals that have no special purpose or intent other than to stop Scientology. It’s like saying Windows is a Hacker tool because so many script kiddies are using it. Get a grip guys.
Give this man a medal…when he’s out.
I absolutly agree with everyone who wrote a comment here.
We cant kick the ass of those stupid scientology guys, well then take down there damn web presence.
Scientology is NOT a church, but a brain washer organization, has a lot of money. Unfortunatelly money talks, hero sucks… We can feel with you mate!!!
Scientology video channel on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/churchofscientology
This kid should get a freaking medal… not jail time…
hopefully he is raped in prison, then he will learn his lesson. Just because it belongs to a website that you dont agree with doesnt mean its not illegal. If someone did it to this site im sure the owners would all be pissed too and want legal action taken.
I’ll donate £100.
Anyone set up that webpage already?
PS – My wife just yelled that she is in with another 100 quid sterling and my daughter would like to donate £15 from her piggy bank. (thats a 1.5 weeks of her pocketmoney)
10 yrs is a longgggg time for taking down such a pile of a site
Scientology is crap, and I can’t believe that people that believe in forgiveness will send someone 10 years to jail. I will say that to any scientologist that I run into and we all have to do that. This is f.unbelievable. We have to make a campaign against that cult right now. They deserve to have all of us in the world against them.
There are legal avenues of protest available. As much as one objects to the actions of the “church”, it is important to remember that criminal acts such as this will have little to no lasting effect, as well-meaning as they may be.
http://www.whyweprotest.net/ is a worthwhile starting point, for those who are serious about changing this.
PS: Various news outlets reporting on this story have given a figured for estimate loss of profit due to the DDoS. Interesting “church” there.
Wow, that kid is a true hero. Scientology isnt a religon, its a force of evil. And that boy did the heroic act of attacking them. This punishment just shows how powerful and how much influence those crybaby Scientologists really have. Seriously? 10 years for HACKING A WEBSITE! This act will only make those who oppose their cult more united, stronger and more powerful than they can ever imagine.
give any scientologists the one flop!
who gives a flying fuk its not like theyre trying to recruit everyone. theyre just a religion where they sit around jerking each other off with how smart and good they all are.
Anonymous is a hacker group now?
1. This shows how much flawed the current US Cyber-Security Laws are!
2. This shows that cult is truely a no-good evil outfit.
3. Only in USA the autorities will be so serious to find out someone like this teenager, who actually did NOTHING wrong and actually worked as a defender of the moral values on the basis of which the human civilisation is established.
I think the proper course of action now would be to collect money from the streets to free this hero, who is unhesitatingly ready to become a martyr in the fight for truth.
It’s a shame Anonymous won’t go after Christianity, a religion that has caused more harm than Scientology.
To be fair if scientology is a brainwashing religion then so are a lot of people’s top 2 fave religions Christianity and Islam. I wonder how this dude got caught? He was part of a group called Anonymous but he’s not so anonymous anoymore. Part of me wants to laugh at that but part is like damn facing 10 yrs. for taking down a website for a while @ 18 yrs. old damn. People have went to jail for 2 or 3 months for effin’ murder come on smh.
How do you “go after” christianity? it’s everwhere. that’s like organizing an effort to kill all mosquitos. They’re kinda everywhere. You just have to find a way to keep them away from you, and live with the fact that some people are gonna keep getting drained.
They better treat this kid real well in prison
he did it for the lulz
He must pay for his crimes, and so will all of you protesters.
The unlucky Dmitry probably pleaded guilty so as to get below minimal sentence and (hopefully) on probation.
on another count, I didn’t know the Anons are now a “hacker” group. the cops seems to label them everywhere like this…
The scientologist’s “church” does deserve a lot of battling and defamation for the brainwashing they perform, and so do the other bigger fish in the pond of the organized religion.
being “legal” is not usually the same as justified or fair and time will tell the difference, even after centuries.
just imagine if yahweh had a money-back guarantee?
So when a company like MediaDefender does attacks that cripple or take down a site, it’s not a crime, even when they do it against someone like Revision3 who isn’t even a P2P site.
But when someone does an attack on the site of a cult, they go to jail and it’s a crime?
People need to start suing MediaDefender and their MAFIAA clients for their hack attacks.
@13,
sure, yes. you;re a true idiot.
Why 10 years for a hacking crime, but when you kill some one you only get like 5 to 6 year….. messed up!
This dude is a hero…he should get a reward or something…:P
scientology isn’t a church, it’s brainwashing cult, banned in several countries.
Lisa suck my atheist d…
Brainwashing is a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, esp. through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques. (From Dictionary.com Unabridged)
It is known and widely acknowledged that the Church of Scientology and its members are against drugs. Drug use or abuse is not something that the Church is accused of.
Torture is against the law in most (if not all) countries, certainly in the US, and if the Church of Scientology was on trial for torture, I’m sure it would be front page news.
Psychological-Stress techniques would include restraint, food and sleep deprivation, use of images and/or noise in combination with increasing doses of physical pain. (e.g. A Clockwork Orange)
Another term for brainwashing is “coercive persuasion”, however in 1987, members of the APA (American Psychological Association) and ASA (American Sociological Association) stated in a briefing to the Supreme Court of California that the “theory of coercive persuasion … is not accepted in the scientific community” and that the methodology of advocates of this theory are “repudiated by the scientific community”.
All good causes need their martyrs.
Good job, you 18-year-old New Jersey man.
FREE DMITRIY GUZNER
All religions rely on brainwashing ALL at least scientology puts focus on the fact that ALL religion is inherently evil.
the only thing he did wrong was get caught ^^
The kid wont goto prison for 10 yrs. He’ll appeal and maybe get home detention or somthing of that nature. Although it is messed up that a church is willing to send someone away instead of just “forgiving” them.
The cult IS responsible for brainwashing innocent people. There are dozens of cases of crimes scientology has been accused of. And they’ve managed to escape all of them using their teams of high priced lawyers. Scientology is nothing more than cult full of lies. Ron L hubbard famously said the easiest way to become a millionaire is making your own religon! A few years later he founded this cult!
fee,
don’t forget to add something like IMHO to your statement.
scientology = cult. glad to see they keep making such great PR moves
Hackers on steroids !
murder someone here in finland and you get same conviction as hacker in usa. I think both sentences should be reconsidered
cracked,
dozens of criminal complaints can be filed against you one sunny day. This alone DOES NOT make you a criminal.
As for the phrase about making million dollars: this is a pretty popular rumor. It was allegedly uttered at the Eastern Science Fiction Association meeting of 7 November 1948. Other reports have it in 1947, or in a bar, or in Lloyd Arthur Eshbach’s hotel room. Here’s what is known: In 1938, science-fiction writer George Orwell wrote in A Letter to Jack Common “But I have always thought there might be a lot of cash in starting a new religion…”. In addition, both David A. Kyle and Jay Kay Klein both signed affidavits that the incident did not take place. Most of these claims are from decidedly anti-Hubbard books, including one co-written by Hubbard’s estranged son.
The Cult of Scientology
theres no way in hell that he goes to prison for 10 years.
Its just for public to fear the illegal actions by announcing the greatest possible sentence for felony,
10 years is for DDOS attack web page for several hours, stabing a pregnant lady and burning the flag.
Also i wonder why Pope dont sue them for using word church.
probably scared of them ^^
10 years is statutory MAXIMUM prison sentence for violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(5)(A)(i), (B)(i), which is unauthorized impairment of a protected computer. Know the law.
*Insert video footage of car being blown up*
My IDOL!!!
“hopefully he is raped in prison, then he will learn his lesson.”
Poster is a brainwashed scieno, obviously. Hopefully, his nut cult scam is wiped of the face of the earth because people grow a few IQ points and stop being played for suckers.
In the meantime, I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t have been legal to kick the moneychangers out of the temple. But you know who did that?
Answer: Not L. Ron Hubbard
@54
+1
Please correct your description. It is the Cult of Scientology. They’d like the world to believe that they’re a church, but they’re not. A bit like creationism tries to pass as a science…
@54
If the Pope wasn’t scared of PETA. (They demanded he stop wearing a rabbit lined fur. He said no. And he’ll continue to eat rabbit stew as well.) I doubt he is afraid of The Church of Scientology. I don’t think the Catholic Church has exclusive rights to the word “Church”.
Snoopy a DUI has a Maximum prison sentance of 5 yrs but that doesnt mean you will get sentenced the full amount. The maximum means that the snetence cannot be nay harsher than 10 yrs. Meaning that hell never get 10 yrs. Learn how to read.
I guess he wasn’t anonymous enough :/ Scientologies won that battle :/
Felon,
I meant exactly what you have just said.
2 of the worst vermin on the planet – hackers and scientologists.
a double win!
That’s what you get if you’re not behind seven proxies.
10 years for taking down a site? You have got to be sh!tting me. Clearly scientology has some well-placed members in the legal system. I can’t believe there are so many people stupid enough to fall for scientology.
sucks they found him
wondering how they managed it… maybe vith youtube cooperation?
Right, we need a petition, not some sh**ty one that someone wrote in 10 mins, a proper full petition
For this, i’m stating up my webstress tool on Scientology. Bastards need to die!!!!!!
Scientology makes more sense than the cult of chritianity. Atleast they dont burn and maim those who dont belive in it.
Jesus christ, youre like a bunch of christian rednecks going after diffirent religion. You guys should look at the definition of an “extremist” because right now youre acting like one.
He’s going to jail for breaking the law, what so wonderous and surprising about that? And yes, you’re right, he’s not going to be in jail for a decade.
“personally am an atheist, but I’d sooner believe in God than in that lame ass story.” – ShEsHy
God is a lame ass story.
I am agnostic.
DDOS isnt really hacking, more of a script kid thing to do.
Damn those scientologists. This guy is a TRUE HERO!!!
1. This shows how much flawed the current US Cyber-Security Laws are!
2. This shows that cult is truely a no-good evil outfit.
3. Only in USA the autorities will be so serious to find out someone like this teenager, who actually did NOTHING wrong and actually worked as a defender of the moral values on the basis of which the human civilisation is established.
The reason for No.1 is because Tom Cruise is one of them
@74. In other countries they would hang you if they found people doing things like this.
If anything, Scientologists should be getting 10 years.
In any case the attacker should be awarded for this, not jailed.
@71, and anyone else who does not understand these complaints:
Please, do some reading.
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
http://www.exscientologykids.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
The resources available go on, and on. Even if you dismiss half of them as pure fiction, there’s still more than enough to prompt serious questions, one would hope. Aside from that, there are noteable court documents viewable online, where some of the most serious allegations (and relevant admissions by the church) are viewable – pretty concrete evidence.
I personally am irreligious – but I resent the operation of the world’s most elaborate pyramid scheme in my country, avoiding tax by disguising itself as a religion – preying upon the vulnerable, all the while doing everything they can to destroy those who would dare to be critical of their organisation.
Of course, they are not the only “religion” guilty of this, but that does not in any way mitigate the seriousness of the problem.
PS: Of course, I am not debating that what this individual did was wrong. As noted, there are legal avenues of protest.
The majority of attack against the Church of Scientology is run by a small group of apostates and professional intolerants. These people seldom do more than allege the Church has committed crimes and get those allegations disseminated across the internet. And since it appears to be more en vouge to bash something than defend it (especially when you know nothing about it) their campaigns appear to be successful. The actual fact is, their campaigns are not successful, based on the recent rapid expansion of Scientology.
I suppose these people feel they are doing the public some sort of service by attacking Scientology and other religions and religion in general, but all they do is propagate hate, intolerance and ultimately reveal their own criminal activities.
why are people offering their thoughts on scientology? the article is about a script kiddy who brought down a website. laws must be in place to deal with these little cyber-cretins; whether you like tom cruise or not has absolutely nothing to do with it.
@77:
Nice copypasta!
Your post is word for word:
http://www.scientologymyths.info/cult-or-religion/who-is-accusing-scientology-of-being-a-cult-and-attacking-it.php
I’m providing my sources, you should too.
@78: Aside from the execution itself, there are another two parts to any action: consequence, and motive. They all deserve attention.
Nobody,
Good for you! Now you can read the WHOLE thing as you found it by yourself.
who is with me to take this f*cking site down again and again and again?
to take down a site is simple. if you want to sue someone, sue the site admin..
@80: You’re no doubt aware that the site is maintained by a female scientologist in her spare time? There are also instances where the ‘unbiased facts’ which are posted there are word-perfect copies of official press releases from the church. Seems like a potential for undisclosed bias.
I wouldn’t have much of an objection here – if she’d managed to point out somewhere on the site her affiliation with the church. I guess it must have slipped her mind.
Of course, in response to your obvious counter-point, none of the sources I’m using can be guaranteed to be free of bias either (court documents aside), but then, at least they managed to point out what side they were on, right?
Johney666
October 20th, 2008 | 18:11
1. This shows how much flawed the current US Cyber-Security Laws are!
2. This shows that cult is truely a no-good evil outfit.
3. Only in USA the autorities will be so serious to find out someone like this teenager, who actually did NOTHING wrong and actually worked as a defender of the moral values on the basis of which the human civilisation is established.
I think the proper course of action now would be to collect money from the streets to free this hero, who is unhesitatingly ready to become a martyr in the fight for truth.
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Well that just goes to show that all of the dweebs here that are cheering for this creep are nothing more then script kiddies. It does not take skill to hack a webpage as anyone with a computer for the first time can find out how to do this on google for crying out loud. What you do not or will not understand is that this site belongs to someone else and if he crossed state lines in his hacking, then sorry charlie as it is now a federal felony offense and 10 years sounds just about right for something like that. The law they most likely used was the Violence against Women act sect 109 which makes ANY form of stalking or actions on the net that could cause harm to a person, a federal felony. Makes no difference if the kid is 18 or not, he is an adult now and he will be tried as an adult now.
Oh and BTW, this VAWC law was passed by what seems to be the prevailing political party here…Democrats and was signed into law by the liberal Bill Clinton. SO go right on ahead and place NObama in the WH, as he has already got a Internet Cybercrimes Commissioner picked out ready to start going after posters and sites like this one the day after he is elected. Then what are ya gonna do as it has been clearly shown that the Hollywood attorneys can reach out and touch you no matter where you are.
A hero? Not hardly as he will soon be a jailhouse bi%ch and let us see how well his “hacking” skills does him when his cellmate decides that he is to be his ‘girlfriend’for the next 10 years. He will need a cork and adult diapers when he gets out.
@83
+1
Please destroy Scientology! It’s a brain eating worm.
this seems very minor 10 years is a lttle harsh for a 18 year old
@71
OK, so lets start at the beginning:
Scientology makes more sense than the cult of chritianity. Atleast they dont burn and maim those who dont belive in it.
-Burning was reserved for witches, not for non-believers, and besides, when was the last reported case of either? Talk about digging up dirt.
Jesus christ, youre like a bunch of christian rednecks going after diffirent religion. You guys should look at the definition of an “extremist” because right now youre acting like one.
- We are not going after a religion, because Scientology is not one. Extremism would be if we forcibly tried to convert Scientologists to our religion, but we aren’t doing that, we’re just ranting about it.
He’s going to jail for breaking the law, what so wonderous and surprising about that? And yes, you’re right, he’s not going to be in jail for a decade.
- You’re right there, he is going to jail and it’s not going to be for 10 years, but nevertheless, what he did doesn’t even deserve 1 year of prison.
“I personally am an atheist, but I’d sooner believe in God than in that lame ass story.” – ShEsHy
God is a lame ass story.
I am agnostic.
- Of course God existing is pushing it, I’m an atheist for Gods (;)) sake, but Scientology is even more far-fetched, I mean, come on, we were made when an alien nuked some other aliens, that’s just absurd.
From my standpoint, Scientology in nothing more than a massively oversized, overadvertised, overinfluental cult, and nothing more.
ShEsHy,
It is you who will tell others what is religion and what is not? )))))))
Heh. Snoory is a scieno. His ‘hat’ is to search the internet for negative comments about the cult, and post rebuttals. But his so-called ‘church’ doesn’t trust him enough to read the posts here — if he does too much of that, a glimmer of truth might get through and start casting doubt on his ridiculous belief system. Nor do they trust him to post his own thoughts, because he probably isn’t sufficiently rich/senior to have completed the highest levels — that ones that reveal all the Xenu stuff — so they have him cutting and pasting like a monkey.
Poor, poor Snoory. Eventually he’ll come to his senses. They almost all do eventually. But he’ll be many, many years older, and thousands and thousands of dollars poorer.
Would you like to take a personality test, Snoory? It’ll help you look at the weaknesses in your personality that made you sign your life away to a science fiction nut cult founded by a meglomaniacal con-man who liked to get wasted on dope and beat his wife? Only $700,000 for the whole course — or you could sign us over your soul for eternity — either way, it’s an absolute bargain.
What this idiot did is the self same thing as the inquisition, or various cults of christianity burning to death members of other christian cults. Freedom of religion (one of the greatest freedoms of modern societies) means the freedom to believe whatever you want, and to modify that belief system as many times as you like. The irony is that scientology was founded when Hubbard (a pulp-sci-fi author) noticed that the geeks that wrote into the magazines resembled early religious fanatics (just like this idiot kid). He tested his thesis in a most amusing way, and proved himself correct.
However, all religions have such bad beginnings. Later, they outgrow their stupid origins in all kinds of fascinating ways, and scientology is no exception. At the moment scientology is provably vastly less harmful than the psychopathic trilogy of judaic religions (judaism, christianity, and islam).
In reality, all organised religion is fundamentally horrific. People should restrict themselves to personal spiritual beliefs arising from their own thoughts and experiences. If protest is to be made, it should be against the concept of ALL organised religion.
L. Ron Wifebeater,
I am a Scientologist for more than 10 years and I live in Russia. And who are you?
@91 You are welcome to be w/e you want to be, just keep your ass in Russia.
Well, I don’t know about you guys, but as far as I can tell 220MBPS is pretty sick-o! A DDoS of this magnitude is not something that comes along easily: the kid must have cracked either several serious Internet gateways or a whole crapload of other servers – doing this with cracked/infected home PCs would probably take thousands of connected boxes and seems a little far-fetched, though not impossible. Taking this fact into account, it somehow does not surprise me his action affected a whole bunch of (well-payed) people, hence resulting in the calculated figures of financial loss – theoretically. However, in reality this means a bunch of lazy, fat-ass server admins sitting in their mightly favoured chairs have to make a couple of clicks to patch their systems.
Perceiving it in this way might make one realize the US laws regarding Internet crime are indeed off-charts. Even though the Internet is stable and it does in fact work, the it is still far from perfect, if it ever can and will be just that. Connecting to the Internet and offering services always brings a serious risk to your machine if you don’t have the latest security patches or are a victim of an 0-day/unreleased exploit, simply because that is the way machines and the Internet work – they can’t think for themselves and have to rely on human input instead. The damage done by this young man is more of a financial nature, and since he has been identified, it would only seem more fair and related for that matter to send this offender the bills of the damage instead of putting him in jail. I’m mostly curious as to what will happen afterwards – will he still get a large money bill after doing time or is the entire damage in this case recompensated by the government? Because if that is in fact the case, the decision to lock him up, even though morally poor, might just, financially speaking, cover the bills made.
If he does have to pay some sort of financial sum afterwards they might just as well have executed him on the spot – Game over. Such extreme measurements for a, contextually speaking, pretty serious offense, but relatively to the law, petty crime.
Misjudgement-day for the poor kid.
Since the Scientology folks apparently filed charges, we can’t blindly ignore the fact they are involved. I mean, Sci-Fi is a pretty neat genre and allows a lot of freedom and creativity for one who knows how to express a story, but… I guess you should just decide on that one for yourself. What we do know however is that there’s a lot of rich and influential people who attract eachother involved with this particular organization, which is also the lead cause for me to write this extensive comment – could this highly immoral court decision be somewhat biased? As far as I can tell, there might be some reason for speculation – but I’ll leave that up to you.
They are using him and 10 years as a scare tactic.
Scientology is….. well, anyone of sound mind can see through the illusion, but first you must have been immersed in its deeps, as those of you that speak ill of it, yet have never been there, speak empty/uneducated words.
My personal opinion of this “religion?” is of disgust, but unfortunately, if you do the crime, you do the time.
5r()><4|-| 73313 always slip under/through the scope.
Maybe they will research more now
It’s really too much time for the crime commited
WOW! 220mbps surely killed that website for a few hours.
But I don’t think the guy deserves 10 years in prison just for taking down some cult website.
Re #5
Their ‘god’ is an alien so…….
Don’t approve of hacking but they couldn’t have chosen a more deserving target. he/they should all get medals for services to humanity – the Nobel Peace Prize?
Snoory ,
Why are you a Scientologist?
obviously i haven’t done my research but as far as i can see you have a belief. is there anything like a bible for Scientology? that depicts these beliefs?
In truth.
Scientology is no more real than star trek.
but no matter what people say Scientology IS a religion. in the same way Rastafarianism is a religion(and has more members).
I think the main problem people have with Scientology is the fact it sucks people in. people outside Scientology can see its completely ridiculous that someone would want to waste their life away like that.
It’s the pinnacle of distorted modern culture. considering ,at least, Christianity is for the greater good. (i don’t want to consider myself anything-ist noting should change your life but yourself.)
i find it funny how you so strongly know your right andhave the extreme beliefs for Scientology , yet you struggle to make people see what you see on rlslog. if you truly were happy with Scientology you wouldn’t have to justify yourself so repeatedly.
not so Anonymous…..to get caught
Noob, with a big heart… took one for the team! respect!
self educated … high IQ.. curious.. internet freedom fighter!
There are no such things as freedom fighters people, NO, NO, NO, in the words of George Carlin: “If crime fighters fight crime, fire fighters fight fire then what do freedom fighters fight?”
By the way, “God” took a vacation the day “He” created man, “He” hasn’t return to work since because look at the world…… It is F***ED UP, and filled with lunatics (crusaders, jihadists), low I.Q. stupid people (politicians, corporate execs, etc.)
MS13,
You know, at first I was just curious: a guy from my college took me to Scientology center and I did personality test. It was interesting to listen to evaluation of the test and then I just bought Dianetics book (Dianetics is a part of Scientology). I read the book, found it interesting and put it on the shelf.
As far as I remember, one year passed and I decided to read it again. What I found was that the book was really a kind of textbook about the mind, how it works, how we get problems in life and so forth, and, the most important, it contained the technology capable of solving those problems. You know, I graduated from a high techical school, so I had the idea of what “technology” is. So, it was very logical on the paper and, what is more, my observations gave support to what I read in the book. Okay, what I needed was to apply this technology in practice and see whether it gives the results. So I took part in Scientology spiritual counseling, I got the results and I liked them. Then I began to study Scientology more deeply. It is basically about improving some or other aspect of your life. Gradually. You know, people go to school. First grade, second grade, etc. They gain knowledge gradually. The same is in Scientology. You improve your life gradually. At first, you solve, say, problems in communication, then you handle, say, sufferings from some past experience, whatever. Gradually, you improve your spiritual condition and becomes more and more aware of your spiritual self (sorry for my English, I am Russian). I know people who are aware of their own problems and want to handle them. And also I know people who do not want to handle their own problems. For some reason they prefer to suffer, drink wodka or get high on drugs, or whatever. And what I found, those who want to handle their problems turn to Scientology. And the vast majority of them find out how to help themselves using Scientology technology. This is that simple.
You asked me about beliefs. There are Scientology beliefs, of course. They are described in the Creed of Scientology. Well, prime beliefs are that man is immortal spiritual being whose existence is not limited to this lifetime, and that man is basically good and his salvation depends on himself and his relationships with other people. These are fundamentals. The Creed in full is here: http://www.scientology.org/world/worldeng/corp/creed.htm
And aside from beliefs we have practices. Central practices are Scientology training and spiritual counseling called auditing.
We have a number of social programs, such as drug education program, human rights program, the program for regabilitation of criminals, and others. We have also the volunteer ministers corps who provide relief to people at places of natural disasters or terrorist attacks. I take part in some of these programs here in Russia, and it gives me pleasure, too.
F@CK Scientology !!!
FREE DMITRIY GUZNER
Right listen up children, i will say this in easy to follow language:
This 18 year old kid is a vandal. He vandalised property that did not belong to him. He should be made an example of so these anonymous children learn a lesson. Whatever opinion you have on scientology is completely irrelevant. Little Dmitry Guzner is about to have himself a new a55hole ripped. I have no time for scientology, but i have less time for these script-kiddies who fancy themselves as web terrorists. Why don’t you kids moan as passionately about stormfront or some such site rather than some cult which basically just robs rich actors?
a HERO for sure lets make protest!!! F*ck Scientology idiots
Scientology is NOT a religion. It is a cult. This cult needs to be destroyed! It destroys minds and lives and even kills people.
Kwipper
October 21st, 2008 | 13:58
Scientology is NOT a religion. It is a cult. This cult needs to be destroyed! It destroys minds and lives and even kills people.
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So does the idiotic idea that you children have that anytime some pimple faced dweeb or pi%$ed off employee locks up a server, that they somehow are “hero’s” and should be respected or given a parade. What would happen if one of these creeps did damage to a server that allowed a hospital or a nursing home to run and then cause the deaths of people or caused innocent people to lose their homes because they cannot be paid, or their kids to be punished for something they did not do…would you children be so quick to cry “hero” then? Or how about they hack YOU and then format your hard drive and infect your computer with a ‘memory/cpu’ virus that forces you to actually pay money to rebuild your computer because you lost everything and cannot use the same parts because some of them are infected (and yes children, these viruses DO exist, they imbed themselves into your bios’s chip or hard drive and the newer ones actually damage the cpu or the memory according to CERT=Computer Emergency Response Team, and just remember before you say they dont exist, people use to say that you could not include a virus in a picture or jpg, and now you not only CAN do it, but there are programs out there that tell you and show you how to do it in detail!) Would you be so swift to insist that this soon to be jailhouse b^%ch is somehow a hero? I dont think so. It is one thing to come to sites like this…it is something completely different to intentionally damage someone elses property as this is reported and then competely destroys any ideals that there is a difference between white hat Hackers who make sure programs run without a glitch so you dont have a computer that crashes every blinking time you move a mouse or a banking system that makes sure your deposits go to the right account, and black hat hack0rs and script kiddies like you who do this for fun and then wonder why the public at large has a very dark view of hacking.
If I had my way there would be an intelligence level test BEFORE you would be allowed to own a computer and I can guarentee you that the vast majority of you whining script kiddies in this thread would not be allowed to even see one except from a distance as you are too stupid to understand the responsibility of your actions in hacking. And you really dont see the irony of the problem you cause. You think it is so great that people can take down a webpage or lock up a server and hurt innocent people, and then in the very same breath you whine and cry about the harse sentences the same people get when they are caught. All you who are doing this are walking talking living proof that Evolution just may be true as you are a sure sign the intelligence level of the younger generations are devolving.
Kwipper, I suppose you forgot to add: “Jews are inferior. They do not deserve life and must be destroyed!”
Some people here are so fed with misinformation that it seems that they are ready to justify not only destruction of property of other people, but even indiscriminate destruction of the whole communities.
@105: Motive is a relatively important fixture of legal systems around the world, so why would the apparent motive behind this action be irrelevant? Perhaps if more time was spent understanding the motive here, and fairly addressing the relevant concerns, the DDoS would never have happened. This seems a far more sensible solution – preventing crime by addressing its root causes, rather than blindly ignoring the problem and ineffectively treating the symptoms, by punishing criminals.
@108: I’d suspect that few would speak in support of attacks which endangered the lives of others. There is irony in your comment though, as much criticism of the CoS centres around the fact that many people view it as a harmful organisation which does in fact destroy people’s lives. Please, at least skim the following links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
Are you so certain that these cases are all, 100% entirely fiction, that you would pass judgement on those demanding answers? Comparing someone who (misguidedly – I and others admit) participated in a DDoS attack to raise awareness about these concerns, to someone who would knowingly attack a hospital and endanger the lives of others, is a little excessive.
To those who think that Scientology focuses entirely on lightening the wallets of the rich and gullible – have a read through some of these links. See many celebrities coming off as victims? Funny that.
Snoory, you make quite an impression of being a smart guy. That’s admirable. You also make the evident connection of trying to be a Scientology apologetic.
Pointing out all the mechanical beauties of the cult, achieved through some “technology” really does not negate all the hard evidence against its darker practices at all.
If you are indeed living in Russia, you would be even more aware that as a country from the former eastern block, now it is rife and full of all the kinds of little weedy cults and sects, rushing to fill in the gap from the fall of communism. And you might have fallen for that trap, too. You keep pointing the most visible benign aspects of the cult of scientology, but how about their proven “fair game” policy for disallowing a change of mind for their followers, their highly litigative nature and the pretention of copyrighting and profiteering from the “teachings” of their founder? If you think that the scientologist aren’t preying on the weak and full of disposable cash, you are plain wrong. It does not make it any better than the rest of the organized religions, indeed it may be showing the path to the future organized transgressions on the human species (the last bastion of the unknown is the science and technology itself, mirky enough to be a secret to the masses), but it is going to be an epic fail due to the internet and the raised voice from its sufferers.
Why don’t you just provide us with an insight just how “cheap” or “free” your path and involvement into scientology has been so long?
Also, do you belive in Xenu? or your opinion is copyrighted and secret? so long the cult hasn’t openly detached itself from the clearly insane ramblings about the distant evil god and the numerous nukes blowing our predecessor souls and bla-bla. At least communism should have taught you that there is no Santa, let alone Xenu.
SemDD,
What is your personal experience with Chruch of Scientology? Have you ever been in Scientology church? Have you read any book by L.Ron Hubbard? Maybe, you did any training or spiritual counseling? You know, you will also make impression of a really smart person if you seek first-hand knowledge instead of digging biased resources.
By the way, maybe you have ever been in Russia?
As for “Fair Game”, the documented truth about it is here:
http://www.scientologymyths.info/fair-game/
I am free to believe in what I want to believe, and I believe in what I can understand. There are hundreds and hundreds of religions in the world, and Scientology is one of them, and it is my religious choice. As for “what it costs me” to be a Scientologist, you don’t have to worry about my purse. I can afford making donations to the Church from time to time and to get what I need. By the way, if you can show me a church where one can make solid and stable spiritual progress without making any contributions whatsoever, it would be nice to learn more about it.
Once again, you CAN learn for yourself what Scientology is. In every church you can get a tour about the church and ask any questions you want. There are official sites. After all, there is Scientology video channel at http://www.youtube.com/churchofscientology or http://www.scientology.org, you can watch it.
The post above is by Snoory, sorry for accidentally using your nick, SemDD
Nobody
October 21st, 2008 | 17:31
@105: Motive is a relatively important fixture of legal systems around the world, so why would the apparent motive behind this action be irrelevant? Perhaps if more time was spent understanding the motive here, and fairly addressing the relevant concerns, the DDoS would never have happened. This seems a far more sensible solution – preventing crime by addressing its root causes, rather than blindly ignoring the problem and ineffectively treating the symptoms, by punishing criminals.
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Oh really?? And just where is your croc tears for the peole in Frisco where a nutcase has locked up the whole city because he is mad at them possibly calling him names and making him work 7 days a week, neglecting to mention that he REFUSED to allow anyone else to see how he hooked this up or to even show them how he did it so that he just MAY have got a little time off? So instead of doing the intelligent thing of showing people how to fix this system, he then snaps and whines the whole department is after him and then locks up a system that the city employees depend on for being paid. And what do I see here? Children and script kiddies writing crap like he is the best thing since sliced bread and completely ignoring the people that he is hurting that do not know even who this scroat is let alone could pick his arse out of a line up.
@108: I’d suspect that few would speak in support of attacks which endangered the lives of others. There is irony in your comment though, as much criticism of the CoS centres around the fact that many people view it as a harmful organisation which does in fact destroy people’s lives. Please, at least skim the following links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
Are you so certain that these cases are all, 100% entirely fiction, that you would pass judgement on those demanding answers? Comparing someone who (misguidedly – I and others admit) participated in a DDoS attack to raise awareness about these concerns, to someone who would knowingly attack a hospital and endanger the lives of others, is a little excessive.
To those who think that Scientology focuses entirely on lightening the wallets of the rich and gullible – have a read through some of these links. See many celebrities coming off as victims? Funny that.
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No, “funny that” are people like you who cannot stick to the topic and try to bring in other items to justify your imagined point. The question was if this kind of hacking should be honored or not, it has nothing to do what-so-ever with your political view of things.
If you cannot stay on topic, then please keep quiet and let people who are in the same discussion speak as you have added nothing to the conversation except to show that you have no blinking idea what the he!! you are talking about in the first place. And even IF people are dying in this so-called church, so what? No one forced them to join it and they could leave at anytime. And even if they did not, what this “jail;house b(&^h” did was hack a system BECAUSE one washed up actor who takes children almost twice his age younger then he is as a wife; was not allowed to talk about other religions according to him? And that somehow justifies what he did according to you?? ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS OR JUST IGNORANT??? YOU DO NOT have the right to do this to another persons webpage and then possibly hurt them or stalk them. YOU DO NOT have the right to deface a persons site just because you are angry with them and YOU FREAKIN DO NOT have the right to try and excuse or defend actions like this and then wonder why you are attacked for your statements.
Any damn time you think you have that right, let’s send the next one after you and see how YOU like the results. THAT is the point I am trying to drill into these childrens heads as actions have and result in consequences, or for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You hack a site and get nailed, then you cannot blame anyone BUT yourself as no one placed a gun to your head and forced you to do it. And all the excuses in the world from children here and like you will not amount to a freaking hill of beans to change that. And if you believe you can by smoke screens that you posted, then feel free to change positions with this dweeb any time and take his place on the jailhouse walk for your owner to get a pack of smokes for you selling your arse. How do I know what happens in a prison? Simple…I was a person in the military who spoke with people who were getting ready to be placed in prison and talked with them after they were released and getting ready to go back to “the real world” as they say. I could tell you horror stories about the “fish” who come into a prison and then spend th night screaming their guts out as they are gang raped by 10 or 20 guys or they are hearing the screams and knowing that they will be next in line.
So DO NOT try and justify this persons actions as it wont work.
A true hero! but you got one thing wrong. he’s not a man, he’s a teenager. thats why they call it eigh-teen!! duh!
@114: You may notice that I specifically voiced my lack of support for the DDoS, in my very first post, and have re-iterated it a few times since then. I don’t condone that at all, I’m simply attempting to point out some of the possible reasons behind the action, as there was a motive, despite it being a dumb thing to do.
I have no idea what you’re trying to prove by pointing out to me that I’m not supporting the ‘nutcase’ in Frisco – of course I’m not, I’m not supporting any form of DDoS. Perhaps you have mistaken me for one of the people who does approve of the DDoS which was undertaken? More importantly, the discussion at hand is regarding a DDoS against the CoS – so discussion regarding the attack you speak of would indeed be off-topic (you bring this irrelevant topic up, then proceed to accuse me of going off-topic?).
With the rest of your comment, you call me ignorant directly after saying “who cares if people are dying, it’s their own fault anyway”. It’s no surprise with that kind of mindset that you cannot, or do not want to, understand the context surrounding this DDoS attack.
Finally, you also once again make the mistaken point that I am attempting to justify these actions. To spell it out once more, I am not doing any such thing. The people responsible for this DDoS do deserve punishment, as what they did was the wrong thing to do – there are legal avenues of protest, and their actions have done more to harm their point than make it.
At no point in any of my comments have I stated that I endorse the use of DDoS to make a point, that I think this guy is a hero, or any of that. What I’ve done is simply tried to contribute my understanding of the motive behind this action, which I continue to feel is relevant.
A.Bundy
October 22nd, 2008 | 00:44
A true hero! but you got one thing wrong. he’s not a man, he’s a teenager. thats why they call it eigh-teen!! duh!
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Duh is right, cept that your statements refer to you. at 18 you are considered an adult and are completely responsible for you OWN actions. So it makes no difference if he was 18 or 19, he is still an adult and he will be treated like same. So he better get use to 10 years of people telling him what to do during the day, and 10 years of nights of his cellmate telling what position to take as this is his future for his actions.
Nobody
October 22nd, 2008 | 00:48
@114: You may notice that I specifically voiced my lack of support for the DDoS, in my very first post, and have re-iterated it a few times since then. I don’t condone that at all, I’m simply attempting to point out some of the possible reasons behind the action, as there was a motive, despite it being a dumb thing to do.
* and you neglect to see that what I was trying to drill into your head is there IS NO MOTIVE NOR is thereANY REASON for him to do this. If he has a problem with the “church” then badmouth them to his hearts content, but you STOP at trying to destroy their webpage as that does not belong to him and there is NO justification nor reason for said action…NONE!*
I have no idea what you’re trying to prove by pointing out to me that I’m not supporting the ‘nutcase’ in Frisco – of course I’m not, I’m not supporting any form of DDoS. Perhaps you have mistaken me for one of the people who does approve of the DDoS which was undertaken? More importantly, the discussion at hand is regarding a DDoS against the CoS – so discussion regarding the attack you speak of would indeed be off-topic (you bring this irrelevant topic up, then proceed to accuse me of going off-topic?).
*No, I went off topic to show you how idiotic you use of sites showing people who died while members of that church was. And thank you, you have just proved my point of you going off topic.*
With the rest of your comment, you call me ignorant directly after saying “who cares if people are dying, it’s their own fault anyway”. It’s no surprise with that kind of mindset that you cannot, or do not want to, understand the context surrounding this DDoS attack.
*Sigh…let me tell you one more time since you obviously have a hard time dealing with reality…THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION in what this guy did…NONE. You cannot on one hand give the impression that he was right even though he broke the law, and then on the other hand give the impression that this is justified somehow. They are two different animals. Granted he was mad at the ‘church’ and granted he wanted to do something..but to try and destroy private property as a protest was the dumbest thing in the world. All he did was give people like the SBA and the RIAA ammo to attack others and give people who do not use computers or do not understand them, a reason to fear or distrust those of us who do. As a beta tester and a white hat, I am getting sick and damn tired of having to explain the difference to people who look at me in fear when I say I play around with computers, all because actions like this. Do you read 2600 mag? Or Popular Computing? There are pages and pages of stories warning people against people who work with computers in trying to stop hacks, because of moronic sh&ts like this! Ask a person who writes viruses or attacks computer sites and the FIRST FREAKIN thing they say is “hackers” Why? because of dumb sh^ts like this and the people who defend him! So why am I so angry? because I am being lumped into the same base as this little turd just because of what I do with computers and I am sick and freaking tired of it and so are the others that I speak with who do the same thing I do. If it was up to me all of these script kiddies would be hung up by the short hairs and used for target practice for people wating to brake a pinata.*
Finally, you also once again make the mistaken point that I am attempting to justify these actions. To spell it out once more, I am not doing any such thing. The people responsible for this DDoS do deserve punishment, as what they did was the wrong thing to do – there are legal avenues of protest, and their actions have done more to harm their point than make it.
*Really? then why post this? it seems that you are sympathetic to his so called plight “I’d suspect that few would speak in support of attacks which endangered the lives of others. There is irony in your comment though, as much criticism of the CoS centres around the fact that many people view it as a harmful organisation which does in fact destroy people’s lives. Please, at least skim the following links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
Are you so certain that these cases are all, 100% entirely fiction, that you would pass judgement on those demanding answers? Comparing someone who (misguidedly – I and others admit) participated in a DDoS attack to raise awareness about these concerns, to someone who would knowingly attack a hospital and endanger the lives of others, is a little excessive.” Cant have it both ways dude, either he committed a crime or he didnt, there IS NO GRAY AREA!*
At no point in any of my comments have I stated that I endorse the use of DDoS to make a point, that I think this guy is a hero, or any of that. What I’ve done is simply tried to contribute my understanding of the motive behind this action, which I continue to feel is relevant.
*see my reply above*
ddos has nothing to do with hacking. NOTHING