Fate of Hellas-RELOADED
Chaps from RELOADED released a fairly unknown real time strategy Fate of Hellas tonight and here’s a short info about this game. This title reminds me of Age of Mythology, which deals with the same time span – Ancient Greece. The release size is a nice surprise in these days, it has only 1.5 GB.
The RTS game Fate of Hellas combines economic development with tactical real time battles, all fully shown in 3D. In two campaigns with seven missions, each the player is able to take over control of the legendary people of Macedonia.
You will fight alongside Alexander The Great and bring peace to the city states of ancient Greece. Put together an army and fight with your soldiers for wealth and peace, becoming more successful than Alexander The Great has ever been. But beware: It will not be just your enemies that will envy you!
Game features:
- Thrilling realtime battles in ancient Greece
„Fate of Hellas“ is an RTS game, which takes the player to ancient Greece: 2500 Years ago, before the rise of Rome, fierce battles between the Greeks and their enemies took place. - Build formations with your troops
3 different formations for strategic fights! - Equip your troops with weapons from your defeated enemies
Pick up the weapons left behind by your enemies after you have killed them in combat - Besiege the citys of historic Greece!
The more cities you conquer, the greater your power on the battlefield - More than 60 different characters!
Different fighters, buildings, vehicles and many more.
Minimum System Requirements
- OS: Windows 98, 2000, ME, XP or Vista
- CPU Type: 2.4 GHz CPU
- Memory: 1024 MB RAM
- Diskspace: 4 GB
- Graphic-Cards: NVIDIA GeForce 6 Series, ATI Radeon 8500, or similar 3D Cards
Release name: Fate.of.Hellas-RELOADED
Size: 1.5 GB, 1 DVD, rld-fahe
Links: homepage, gamespot, ign, nfo, torrent
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MACEDONIA IS GREEK
@per
Actually, 55 % of the region that was called ‘Macedonia’ in ancient times, is outside the borders of modern Greece.
@ 6
We already know that…
@3: Agree with you.
This game is also known as: Ancient Wars: Sparta – The Fate of Hellas.
Ancient Wars: Sparta was an unfinished game.
This game looks the same and it uses the same engine (the same bugs) the previous one have.
Note: another game from this company is out and released by Reloaded: The Golden Horde.
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More like ‘Hate of Fellas’ :>
MACEDONIA IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE GREEK
@5 Nano
Be careful spyware
This game is Fate of MACEDONIA
What is that Hellas? ??? Hellas and Greece no
exist!!!
MACEDONIA FOREVER !!!
Alexander the GREAT MACEDONIAN !!
@17,
You skipped your history classes didn’t you? Well, as a history professor, I shall remedy this.
Let me write what I should at the end right away: Macedonia was never Greek, it was merely influenced by its culture as did the rest of the world by other superpowers like Egyptians, Romans, Ottomans, Spanish and Anglo-Saxons throughout history.
Macedonians were an ancient tribe that came from the North to the country before 3500 BC, in fact they are one of the world’s oldest documented tribes, right there with several other tribes such as Isrealites, Egyptians, Greeks, Chinese, Turks, Persians and Indians.
Greeks and Macedonians fought several wars, both reigned over the other for centuries and, again, they were not quite the same people.
Alexander III (the Great) was indeed a Macedonian, his father was King Philip conquered several of his neighbors and laid the groundwork to his son’s endless wars. Alexander reached the lands of India, crushing Persians, the only other superpower known to Greeks at the time, twice; yet succumbing to -according to the descriptions- either malaria or typhoid fever in ancient Babylon.
Macedonia was just another Greek state just like the rest of Greece at that point,and its language is proven to be a dialect of ancient Greece, not to mention the rest of their cultral similarities. Alexander the Great was taught by a Greek teacher ( why do that if Macedonia is a separate nation) and Olympus the center of the Ancient Greek religion was in fact in Macedonia. FYROM is nothing more than slavic branch that settled there during 7th century A.D.
Professor…
@20
a history professor my a$$. You ‘ve never studied Herodotus and you re a historian. LOL
Herodotus who is regarded as the “Father of History” in Western culture, presents the king of Macedonians Alexander I (ca. 495-450/440 B.C.), a dominant figure of Macedonian history during the 5th c. B.C., saying at the time of the Persian wars: I am myself a Greek of ancient stock, and I would not with my good will see Greece enslaved rather than free. (IX, 45,1-2)
THIS IS WRITTEN HISTORY FOLKS AND HISTORY IS SCIENCE SO ITS QUITE UNWISE NOT TO RESPECT IT.
Ancient greeks used to say.
“Ο ημιμαθής είναι χειρότερος του αμαθούς”
Meaning “one with shallow knowledge is worst than one without knowledge”
And your lesson mister “history professor” it’s only the half.
Well guys, I can’t make you believe me being a professor, yet I am; and you can see in which college in my nickname. Still I’d have preferred a little more respect.
@21
Alexander was taught by a Greek tutor, because the Greek culture was the most influent culture of the day. Philip was tutored by and learned the intrinsic machinations of the culture of Greeks as well. The administration, scholarship and the martial disciplines of Greeks were at their prime; yet that does not mean that Alex and Philip were, just like other Macedonians, Greek. Babylon readily employed Egyptian scholars, or during Napoleonic era in nineteenth century, British and Austrian War Academies taught French approach to war, yet they were enemies.
@22
I’ve possibly read more pages of Herodotus than you’ve read books alx, I very well know who he is. If you had done the same thing, you would have known that Macedonians embraced the Greek culture, quite likely the only instance when a superpower did not forcibly endorsed its own culture. Therefore living under a Macedonian ruler, yet with every single basic thing in life virtually unchanged was infinitely more preferable to living under the Persian ‘barbaric’ rule. Persian culture was somewhat paganistic, there are reliable reports that they actively engaged in human sacrifice, had absolutely no respect for women, there was unacceptable levels of violence in a civilized society and of course it didn’t have the smallest crumb of democracy.
Maube next time you should read whomever you are referencing, eh?
@23
My knowledge is not half boys, yet my time is; therefore you’ll excuse me if I skip many things when I write, and do include the ones that matter.
Howdy, the crack for this game is not working properly!
i am at the first spartan campaign mission and the Allianes and money Button dosnt work.. It is all black please help me.. Make a better crack for the game
@ Someone properly nuked like most of their releases non working cracks a proper will come out soon crack i mean.
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“We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.”
[FYROM's Ambassador to Canada, Gyordan Veselinov in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, 24 February 1999]
“We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century… we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.”
[FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35.]
“We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.”
[FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, 22 January 1999]
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Alexander the Great and his people had greek names, spoke the greek language, had greek tutors and were allowed to participate in the olympic games (in which only greek citizens were allowed to participate in ancient times) and yet they were no Greeks?!?! This is insulting at least. What does “Phillip” mean in your language? What does “Alexander” mean? You can’t change history regardless how much you want it
This looks alot like Ancient Wars: Sparta
@24
Herodotus who is regarded as the “Father of History” in Western culture, presents the king of Macedonians Alexander I (ca. 495-450/440 B.C.), a dominant figure of Macedonian history during the 5th c. B.C., saying at the time of the Persian wars: I am myself a GREEK of ancient stock, and I would not with my good will see Greece enslaved rather than free. (IX, 45,1-2)
Because I have studied Herodotus in ancient GREEK language, and in case hou HAVE VISION PROBLEMS: Alexander’s ancestor commited
that he was GREEK OF THE ANCIENT STOCK NATION.
WRITTEN IN THE eighth book of HERODOTOS. LEARN TO READ ILLITERATE!!!
@24: There are possibly several inconsistencies between the books you’ve read and the books we’ve read…
And by saying that your knowledgw is full, you probably dont know much.
Alexander The GREAT MACEDONIAN !!!
MACEDONIA FOREVER
Greece is MACEDONIA !!!
Well as a greek i think i have a say here.
As far as the name goes … the name is right.
We call our country Hellas and not Greece so its right.
As for our friend professor here i just want to note here,
that in greece there is a big strugle right now if furom will be named macedonia of course we cant accept that.Now i cant discass if macedonia was greek cause or not cause ik think its a joke for me, just like i see many of our ishlands in american maps to belong in turkey.Just think of this Alexander hold a grudge against Persians if u know any greek history at all you’ll know why.
Finnaly im glad i see people strongly believe macedonia is greek thank you.
This post is about a game, not for the Slavs that think that living in the same region with Alexander makes them his descendants.
@24.
Do you know what the meaning of the name Philip is?
Do you know what the meaning of the name Alexander is?
Cause even today, I dont need a translation to understand the meening of the names probably like you do.
I am from Greece by the way (Hellas).
I dont think that the macedonian is such a big part of the greek history, however when I see people trying to steal our history because they dont have anything to unite them, then this frustrates me.
To mr professor: please try readimg some more before poisoning the minds of clueless students.
Sounds fun game. C’ on guys…give it a rest. Its only a game.
Yeah we know Alexander was Greek. What all this chit-chat has to do with the game anyway?
It’s so simple: THE ILLITERATE PROFESSOR should answer why ALEXANDER I, ancestor of ALEXANDER THE GREAT, commited that he was
GREEK OF THE ANCIENT STOCK, according to Herodotus.
The answer is simple: He is not a professor…
@Robert
You’re right. I hope its a nice game as well. But I can’t accept in year 2008,the fact that some peaple reject written history.But youre right anyway..
The truth…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oHivXjiX_w
Guys guys guys, The worlwide philosofy of development almost , is based on the ancient greek spirit. I’d be more respectfull mentioning on that race cause you owe Greeks your freedom… at least.
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What i don’t understand in all this is why our bulgarophone inhabitant neighbors don’t want to use the name their nation had before world war two which was VARDARSKA.In the meantime of WWII Josef Brostein (Tito if you prefer) who was their ruler,seized the opportunity to use the name MACEDONIA.The name VARDARSKA is well documented in maps of the region before 1940.
Also for all of our friends who dont speak Hellenic out there :
Philip comes from Philipos – Filos+Ippos meaning the friend of horses.
Alexander comes from Alexandros – Alexi + Andras meaning he who repels men.
By the way Alexander’s sister’s name is Thessaloniki deriving from Thessalon Niki meaning the victory of the Thessaleis, in honour of the victory of the Macedonians and the people of Thessaly against the tyrrant of Pherrae.
Lastly Alexander’s horse was named Bucefalas (meaning head of ox) and not Zastava.
As Slavic and Hellenic languages have little in common i find it impossible to find a derivation of the above names in the former language mentioned
Protip: Ancient Greek culture, society and language are extinct but its legacy lives on in most of Mediterranea and Western Civilization in general.
this is called evolution
NZB:
http://rapidshare.com/files/103312868/Fate.of.Hellas.RLD.nzb.rar
“alexandaer the great” waz nat greek he was macedonian i dont get it whay are greeks so dame jelous of a small country they woold steal all they can as reputation also i mena leave some truth…
1st: Go to school
2nd: Learn english
3rd: Answer that: Why ALEXANDER I, ancestor of ALEXANDER THE GREAT, commited that he was…
GREEK OF THE ANCIENT STOCK, according to Herodotus.
Guys, guys.. I can’t reply to every one of you, after all this is Saturday and I have about 40 midterms to read and grade this weekend; so please, have some mercy! Do everyone a favor, and grab a history book preferably written by a Chinese historian -to have some level of objectivity.
However, to reply in general and hopefully conclude the matter; I can see that people of Greek descent take calling Macedonians and Alexander the III not Greeks as an insult. This is understandable; but unnecessary. Greek culture basically is the founding of Western Culture, and a culture that influent surely was accepted as the norm those days. The dominance of Anglo-Saxon culture today is nothing compared to ancient Greek dominance, and yet we have people in, say, Thailand naming their sons William! Macedonia spent a millenium under Greek rule, it is only natural to submerge into the rulers’ culture especially when nationalism wasn’t on high note as today. Thus, while greatly influenced by Greek culture, while living like their neighbors and old rulers, while being taught like Greeks; these people were quite simply, not Greeks.
My area of expertise is in Middle East history, so I can give a quick example from there. When Turkish tribes came to Middle East from Central Asia they were greatly influenced from Arabs and Persians. Centuries later, when Ottomans were ruling all Middle East(and much more in certain centuries) their culture was a mixture of Arabian, Greek, Persian and Turkish cultures. The Ottoman sultans often had their ‘primary’ wives (they had a harem you know) from foreign girls, but that didnot make the future sultans any less Ottoman. This is not surprising, nor should it be with the Macedonians. It is not like that they had strict borders and cultural wars in ancient times; the mightier simply ruled; but few tried to alter or destroy culture. The ones that did try to destroy cultures were the ones that were fought viciously against, like Persians. Others were most often regarded as a passage, not entirely pleasant, but not altogether revolting.
Let me stress that it is not impossible that Alexander were not of Greek descent, I never told this, nor would you find it anywhere. This is because of the unavoidable mixing I’ll mention in a short while and because history of ancient times is not entirely dependable. Herodotus himself is well known, in fact, to ‘alter’ certain things, as well as many other historians that followed him. As a rule of thumb, you need to take anything a historian relays regarding his own nation with a grain of salt.
With Macedonians and Greeks living under the umbrella of the same culture, there has to be mixing up between the nations. Here in America, we might as well no longer have the identity of ‘white caucasian’ Americans with everyone mixing up between races; yet in the end when you ask, almost all will tell that they are Americans. This has happened here in half a century, imagine a millenium under the rule of your neighbour. Thus, Alexander might have Greek descent, he might have Macedonian descent, he might have been Japanese (no, not really) but in the end, he was Macedonian.
That said, there is no need for aggresiveness or frustration (cyber, alx etc. I mean you boys). I am not trying to steal anything, I am not poisoning people’s minds; I am merely trying to state the ‘dependable facts’ as I have read and studied on. There are always inconsistencies in history with every nation shaping it to their gains, hence the ‘dependable facts’, but we try to make the best with what we have; and with that I wrote. It may be hard to accept, but that doesn’t diminish its value.
I will be happy to answer any questions, and will still try to explain if necessary but as I’m already behind my schedule for the weekend now, it may take some time.
Ancient Macedonians were Greek. I dont get why you Slavs dont stick with your Slavic history and wanna steal the history of others. Come on get a life. You didnt even exist in antiquity.
Alexander identified himself as Greek and thats all. All the rest is pointless. Visit any University in US and you will find ancient Macedonian history being studied as part of ancient Greek history.
No serious person anywhere in the world links it with Slavs. For heavens sake, be proud of your Slavic heritage and stop posing as someone you never were!!
@50
Reply in particular, not in general copypasting filthy propaganda:
Why ALEXANDER I, ancestor of ALEXANDER THE GREAT, commited that he was…
GREEK OF THE ANCIENT STOCK, according to Herodotus???????????
I understand although, that you re unable to answer….
wtf you ppl are nerds. its saturday, go get a beer and relax.
Alaxie
In Greece we drink beer everyday. We dont mind Saturdays. We have plenty of free time.Go drink one yourself.
For God’s sake Alx, you are seriously lowering your level and acting like a small kid.Posting a lot of messages doesn’t make you right, you should understand that. I am well capable of writing for myself; I give my students a failing grade when I find them copypasting you know..
I have no recollection of Alexander I saying anything like that, come Monday I will check it if that would please you. I find that hard to believe I admit, considering that two generations later his kingdom would face collapse from the attacks of the Greek Thebes. Even the fact that it comes from Herodotus, not really among the small group of dependable historians, makes me have some doubt..
Meanwhile, why don’t you tell me instead why one of the slightly more dependable historians, Thucydides (or Thucydidis) along with others, always called Macedonians ‘barbarians’, the word literally meaning non-Greek? Or did you not studied him as well?
Now, if you’d excuse me, I have papers to grade..
Nerds are ok, you lazy baboon.
The “dependable facts” our socalled “professor” havent found any time to deal with are the following:
1. A migrating people dont go around Renaming existing toponymies in someone else’s language. They obviously rename them into their own. The original Ancient Macedonians renamed Phrygian toponymies into Greek. It would be quite absurb to rename toponymies into:
(i) Not their own language
(ii) A language they didnt…understand.
Even your examples “professor” prove my point. Neither Turks, nor Israelis, Persians, Chinese and the like went around renaming toponymies into…Greek. They used their own languages, so please return to reality.
2. Hesiodus which is the earliest ancient account, places Macedonians through their eponym ancestor as Greek-speakers. Obviously if Macedonians were alien people, he wouldnt include them at all in the list among Greeks.
3. Alexander and his ancestors identified themselves as Greek. This Argead Greek lineage went unquestioned by ancient Greek and Roman writers. Therefore anything else is entirely pointless.
4. The surviving literary and archaeological evidence during Classical and Hellenistic Ages shows clearly that Macedonians considered themselves to be Greek, carriers to spread the Greek language and civilization to Asia while revenging Persians for their “crimes against Macedonia and the rest of Greece”.
5. I believe there is no need to go on further by stating the obvious. All archaeological discoveries point out explicitely that ancient Macedonians were Greek themselves, speaking a North-West Dialect of Greek. In fact the only archaeological finding, identified as ancient Macedonian language was proved by eminent linguists to be a Greek dialect. (Pella Katadesmos)
As a bottom line, its annoying watching a bunch of revisionists trying to link totally unrelated Slavic people with ancient Greeks. All you will ever manage to do is more hating, bloodshell, wars etc. The balkan peninsula has been a theatre to countless wars and disputes. There is no need to add more fuel.
Well i realize that but for some people its more than that.
how would u feel if someone came into your country and changed
its origin.
And this is happening now, not 50 years ahead, not 50 years ago.
@ alx:
i think he tries to say that herodotus isnt a very acurrate source to be based on.
But he forgets that tha athenians back then werent greeks where athinians so where the spartans so all the others.
have a nice weekend to the rest that dont care about thinks like that.
It’s so simple. At Thucydidis time, even spartans referred as barbarians, since the word’s meaning altered to mean “savage”. The hellenic word barbaric had the mean “savage” almost a century before Thucydides.
nickgio
“i think he tries to say that herodotus isnt a very acurrate source to be based on”
Yeah he tries to say that THE FATHER OF HISTORY, is not accurate.
That is so illiterate….
For gods sake “professor”. Dont advertise so much, you have NO clue of anything related to history.
Thucydides never calls Macedonians as “Barbarians”. In fact even Thucydides proves you wrong and considers the ancestor of Alexander as Greek. Its ok “professor”. Maybe next time you will have done your homework, you will come with sth better.
Well, noone is disputing that Alexander the Great was Greek, every historian and scientists knows that.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_great
“Alexander the Great (Greek: Αλέξανδρος ο Μέγας or Μέγας Aλέξανδρος,[1][2] Megas Alexandros; July 20 356 BC – June 10 323 BC),[3][4][5] also known as Alexander III, was an ancient Greek[6][7][8] king (basileus) of Macedon (336–323 BC). He was one of the most successful military commanders in history, and was undefeated in battle. By the time of his death, he had conquered most of the world known to the ancient Greeks.”
And http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761564408/Alexander_the_Great.html
“To bind his conquests together, Alexander founded a number of cities, most of them named Alexandria, along his line of march; these cities were well located, well paved, and provided with good water supplies. Greek veterans from his army settled in them; young men, traders, merchants, and scholars were attracted to them; Greek culture was introduced; and the Greek language became widely known. Thus, Alexander vastly extended the influence of Greek civilization and prepared the way for the kingdoms of the Hellenistic period and the conquests of the Roman Empire.”
Calm down, next we’d start arguing if the earth is “round” or not.
And no Athenians called Spartian barbarians, btw. As not called Makedonians that, where are the sources for such?
Hey “Professor” here is a link with 80 modern historians proving your claims what they are…Baseless!!
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2007/08/21/80-modern-historians-about-the-greekness-of-ancient-macedonia/
Here is a good link to find out at last, the origins of Alexander the Great since you seem to have missed it.
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2006/12/29/is-alexander-the-great-greek/
Have a good reading!!! If you need to learn anything more about ancient history, dont feel shy to ask for it.
Maybe I should have left people in their own ignorance. I am spending precious time doing for free what I do for a living!
Legak, people that migrated into a new territory often change its name, but when they are also migrating their culture as well. You have to stop thinking in today’s terms, with ‘what would happen if’. That was then, that is how it happened. Besides, my college is in Ithaca named after, well Ithaca, in Greek, yet there are so many Indian named towns, rivers etc. around, were the pioneers too lazy to change their names as well, or are you suggesting that pioneers were very proficient in Indian languages or in Greek?
You need to read more carefully, Macedonians have spent a millenium under Greek rule. Being accepted as ‘Greek’ was something back then, no disrespect whatsoever meant. Of course they would learn Greek, they had to, it was civilization compared to their state. They called themselves Greek when they had the power to do so, it is little different for an El Salvadorian calling himself American -again no disrespect-. Therefore in terms of culture similarities are bound to be there. Earliest of historians were more than several centuries late for the timeframe of Macedonian settling of the area, so their information is hardly valuable in this perspective. In short; annoying or not, you can’t claim people for your own when you rule them for a long time; even when you practically assimilated them.
By the way citing Romans as not questioning Greek documents is like telling Blair never questioned Bush, so Bush must be right!
Oh, and nickgio, I understand your concern and thank you for being more reasonable than many. The city-nations that formed Greece was what I called Greece by the way not to complicate things even further..
Anyway, this has gone far too long. I can’t delay those papers, so until I have finished them all, you’ll have to excuse me. Still, it was somewhat enjoyable to see that people interested in history..
iterati
Demosthenes the orator called Macedonians Barbarians cause they lived like savages. But as an orator he used to TELL LIES, in order to persuade Athenians not to join forces with Macedonians. Also the word barbaric had a completely different meaning that time. It meant “savage”.
ORATOR sources are not accurate. They are not HISTORIANS.
@Legak: +1
By the way, is the game any good?
Linking sites that were created by Greeks about Macedonia to prove your claims. Do you know how many history books, yes books, written by supposedly respectable men are bogus? You wouldn’t unless you took the job, but citing internet as fact.. Good job. Makes me wonder why I even bother.. Anyway, thankfully my students aren’t quite as ignorant.
Until then.
alx
Well, that is a single case and used as insult, like today
you’d call probably someone illiterate if you want to insult him, that doesn’t make him necessarily illiterate though.
Macedonia belongs to its rivers and mountains…
Not to greeks or slabs…
@69
You said you ‘ll study Herodotus. Why r u still here???
Go study Herodotus, 8th book “TA ISTORIKA”, and come back wiser.
Since you ‘re ignorant we cant debate.
And..I wonder.. Why r u posting whole books to support your opinion??
—I gave you just 1 sentence you can’t reject. I don’t need to beat around the bush like you do.—
ehm “Professor” you should really kindly warn readers prior not to waste our time with you.
I see you struggle to find an explanation up there to the fact that the migrating ancient Macedonians renamed existing toponymies in Greek but as everyone can witness your…attempts to explain it, dont convince even yourself.
Macedonians or any other migrating people simply will rename an existing toponymy in their OWN language. No people in classical ages while migrating were renaming existing toponymies in the language of someone else’s and even more funnily in a language they were supposed NOT TO UNDERSTAND anyway.
Leave it “professor”. Just try next time to do your homework before you come with such absurb theories. Dont waste our time and neither your own.
The problem in all this is that we are all missing the point.Its not about origin,its not about who’s right and who’s wrong.It’s about the fact that some people are playing chess on our backs while we are arguing about whose history has the biggest d|ck (ours of course but thats not of the moment).
How many people have taken the scenarios and worked out the reasons behind them and the possibilities each one has?We all have to be very alert.The balcan region has an unbelievable geostratigical importance and any event that causes instability can be considered to be a great chance for slipping in as a friend/ally/whatever.
The only way we can truly be considered as descendents of our great ancestors is not by eulogizing them but by actively following and pushing forward our culture and education.So we should always train our mind and try to become better people.
cornellian
Check wikipedia, that created by the users of the world, we don’t have to accept anything in wikipedia as facts (there are plenty mistakes) but it represents the common sense and established views.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians
“The Ancient Macedonians (Greek: Μακεδόνες, Makedónes) were an ancient tribe who inhabited the alluvial plain around the rivers Haliacmon and lower Axius, north of the mountain Olympus in Greece.[1] Historians generally agree that the ancient Macedonians, whether they originally spoke a Greek dialect or a distinct language, came to belong to the Koine Greek speaking population in Hellenistic times. Whether the ancient Macedonians were an ethnically Greek people themselves continues to be debated by historians, linguists, and lay people. However, the Macedonian Royal family known as the Argead dynasty claimed Greek descent. Macedonians were originally allowed to the Olympic Games, an athletic event that people only of Greek origin participated[2][3]. After the 4th century BC, the ancient Macedonians were heavily Atticised.”
ehmm “professor” between 80 modern historians (even if for someone like you, they are “bogus”) and a self-proclaimed “professor” who cant even prove his baseless theories, obviously someone will pick the first choice.
Yeah stick with your “students”. Hope they have as much fun as i did by reading your…writings.
Anyway, enough with the history lessons! Did anyone play the game? Is it any good?
YOu have to admit though.This looks like a really crappy game to be causing all this argument
Proper crack please…
You are right Loukas. Its indeed a crappy game.
Read the reviews here:
http://resonance-gaming.com/review.php?gameid=49
I think they were quite lenient,to get more games from that company for reviewing
@71
We greeks don’t care about FYROM. We don’t want neither its mountains nor its rivers. We only care about our history.
And all these outrageous lies, even as ridiculous as they seem to any person who knows the basics of history, hell even no history at all (for god’s sake, all the NAMES ARE GREEK) are an insult.
It is true that Macedonia waged war against other greek cities. But that shouldn’t sound weird to you professor, as Sparta waged war against Athens too. And I hope there is no one here stupid enough to claim that Sparta or Athens were not greek cities. No democracy could survive in the ancient days in a vast empire. That’s why Athens was only a city
Asides the rest, is there really anyone that disagrees that FYROM is a slavic country, that wasn’t even at the region at the time of Alexander the Great. Just this should be enough to render the profesor’s side pointless
Macedonia was, is and will be Greek.
Everything else is slavian bull**t
You cannot change history.
Sorry cornellian, but where were those “Macedonians” even 100-200 years ago? They just woke up and discovered their ethnic identity?
If, according to what you say in #64, the ancient Macedonians were obliged to learn greek, then why did their names (Archelaus, Alexandros, Philippos, Amyntas and Themida), as well as the names of i.e. members of the council (hegemones, somatophylaces, philoi etc) were of Greek origin?
Maybe because it’s (possibly) a matter of different Greek dialects and not different languages?
Why did the royalties claimed (at that time) Greek descent? Why were they even allowed at the olympic games if they weren’t Greek?
Maybe because they were in fact Greeks?
I understand that there’s a great debate on when exactly it happened, but one thing is certain, after the 5th or 4th century BC they were considered part of Greece.
As for the Yugoslavic points of view, I’ll just quote post #27.
I AM GREEK!!!!1
I AM SON OF ALEXANDROS!!!!1 HIS BLOOD IN ME!!!!
WE INVENT CIVILIZATION1!!! WE INVENT DEMOCRACY!!
AMERICAN IS PIG!!! GREECE WIN EURO CUP!!!
lol,u funny little racist
who cares about all that crap debate, it’s HISTORY, always to sides to the story, and you get nowhere because you can’t PROVE it. Just by reading tons of stories from different sources doesnt make one know the truth.
anyways, this reminds me: are tawainese, chinese? it’s the same concept…
ALEXANDER WAS CHINESE; wOOT!
@87
… I’m sure you wouldn’t wanna live in a world where everyone speaks the same language, has the same traditions, thinks in the same way, eats the same food, makes the same music etc etc. Because history is in a way the carrier of all this. That would be very boring.
From your attitude I reckon you didn’t like history in school
And by the way, saying that Alexander the Great was chinese is equally funny as saying that he was slavic
ssj4monkey
No its not. Its so clear.. Ancient Macedonians themselves admitted that they were GREEKS. Written in the very first academic history book of humanity. Almost 5th century B.C.
So its quite clear, its not debatable.
That ’s why people should read history. Just to solve these dilemas.
“Macedonia belongs to its rivers and mountains…
Not to greeks or slabs…”
Macedonia is an idea…
Are you drinking anything???
btw:
“We are Slavs who came to this area in the 6th century.We are not descendants of the ancient Makedonians.”
Kiro Gligorov / February 26th,1992
I have never ever seen such a debate rise from such a crap game
@ greeks callin macedonierrr greek,
stfu, u havent got a clue, macedonierrrrr belonged to the german Brits,(Windsor <1917 ‘Saxe-Cobrg-Gotha’)
they gave it to the greeks because of the desperate manners of the people, and the terrible sewage system they have,
Why would any1 wanna be greek anyways? Bet u macedionierrs dont go around sayin, hey im really greek,
Anyways, these days wen people say ” I liek greek”, they are not talkin about greek people.
Look above Legak, it says so on the internets, there4 it must be true
Bring back the professor of troll!!!
lolz at the troll
-Macedonia was Greek
-Macedonia doesn’t exist as a state anymore
-Macedonia is Greek history and will never exist again
-Some of lands Macedonia consisted of are now FYROM and WILL REMAIN FYROM as they are.
-History shouldn’t remind us of which regions we had but WHAT WE WERE
-FYROM should choose a name that reflects it’s REAL history and culture
Frank, I totally agree…
troll,
What the f is this macedonierr that came out of your mind?
Macedonia, comes from greek work Makednos, referred by Homer Himself.
When greek used sewers, german Brits, used to climb trees like monkeys and lived in caves like animals. Thats a good reason for someone to want to be greek.
well troll
even if we arent so great after all these years
we are still proud of our origin.
Maybe we arent nothing like our ancestors but at least
we dont try to fool history.
And yes macedonias go around and say “hi im greek”.
btw better your english.
GREEKS are the WORST people there is.
.
They are Lazy, incompetent, ignorant,
Many “greek” words are Turkish or Itanlian.
Even their music is Turkish.
Their favorite dance is BELLY DANCE.
And they eat Turkish food.
Greek Language is Dead
Drachma is Dead.
Greek Genes are Dead.
Greece: What’s that??
@97
Yeah and when we visit CONSTANTINOPLE your people are begging for a coin. And they sell to us everything, at any price just to feed your little mongolian children.
Poor beggars.
haha well i was wondering what was missing.
well about the genes u might be right i see some greeks
tend to be more rude & ugly. must be hte turkish genes
right istanbul?
though i came to istanbul and saw where u brought the once great city wiht your superior intelect.
@Instabul: WORST people from turkish?? NO NEVER… The Greek language has 7 million (7.000.000.000) words, how much has turkish? (les then 400000)… the most language in the world has as basic the Greek language, so learn forst and then lets talk about this…
Stamser prepei na eisai poli malakas. Se mena apantas? Exei pesei to xeri mou na grafo stous agramatous slavous tin istoria. Diavase ti exo grapsei apo tin arxi.
The people who dont know their past and history are going to do the same mistakes again and again.
Alexander was Macedonian!
Herodotus was athenian!
Leonidas was Spartan!
In ancient greece every city was a seperate state.thats why they have so many wars.all these seperate cities were speaking and writing greek and all together they have something in common.they called themselves greeks.any other tribe would be called barberian.
ALexander was indeed macedonian who writen ,spoke and given greek names to all the cities he conquer.that is why he was GREEK.
Any other self claimed professor should study more history
and WONDER WHY all the names alexander gave to the cities were greek and not SLAVS.
The name VARDASKA was the name they had in this small area called FYROM now.
THEY SHOULD STAY WITH THAT NAME and not try to steal a name that does not belong to them.They are SLAVS not MACEDONIANS.
The AREA where ancient greek macedonia city was before 2500 years, NOW belongs to GREECE, TO VARDASKA AND BULGARIA.
THEY have no right to use the name.If other professors have
any doubt go to a museum in vergina in greece where the grave of filipos-the father of alexandros was found and take a look at the font.
Your language is slavish and is not the language the macedonian were speaking.
<3 you people make my life better – haha
103 +1
Glad we could amuse you wankstar
I love that a historian professor comes in here, to pwn you guys =). I can’t even find greece on the world map
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@ cornellian
I applause your courage !
You explain your facts and opinions in such professionalism
Always interesting to read you!
has 7 million (7.000.000.000) words
E-x-c-u-s-e m-e
I forgot!
You Greeks do not know $hit about mathematics either!
L-O-L
P.S. Leave people of Macedonia alone.
has 7 million (7.000.000.000) words
Well, e-x-c-u-s-e m-e.
I forgot!
You don’t know $hit about mathematics either!
LOL
wtf?
El Couz,
A fake professor who doesnt have a clue about history is realy amusing.
Cornellian’s facts and opinions are very professional copypasted, from awful propaganda material.
Wankstar,
He pwned us??? He couldnt answer my question, because he never studied history (e.g. Herodotus). So he stopped posting whole books of paraphilosophy. So simple, so fake professor.
Btw half of greece belonged to macedonia till 1900somethin!!!!
just a bunch of r’tard greeks here:)
@108
We are the people of macedonia.we live in THESSALONIKI you moron.Do you even know who thessaloniki was?
the sister of alexander.
@112
You re simply illiterate.PERIOD. Read some history and come back later.
@112
You re simply illiterate.PERIOD. Read some history and come back later. If you call yourself macedonian you should know that you re GREEK as well, because ancient macedonian declared themselves GREEK.
I want to be objective.
So I admit the contribution of the Greek civilization to the World.
B-U-T Today Greece is NOTHING. Hellas is NOTHING.
The Worst country, the most dishonest people in the World.
THE GREEK LANGUAGE DEAD?!?!?!?!!? THAT IS THE MOST STUPID THING I’VE EVER HEARD IN MY ENTIRE LIFE
The greek language will NEVER die. It will continue to exist for ever as there can be no substitute for it. Check your dictionary and you will find that the amount of greek words in it is ENORMOUS. 97 you must be the most illiterate human being walking on earth. You speak greek everyday and you don’t even realize it!
@116
You should also admit that you re poor beggars, that kiss our feet for a piece of bread.
Go learn some Greek Language, cause I can see you starving.
Next time I come to Konstantinoupoli i’ll give you a coin to feed your little mongoloids.
Maybe I m rude, but you re so poor and filthy that beg for cents, when we come to your country to visit our GREAT church.
P.S. I’m glad that computers arrived in Turkey finally.
@112
LSD must be way too easy to find these days… Get a life you illiterate moron
Mr. cornellian, you say you teach Middle East history, where if I may ask?
I am glad to see that the majority of people have not been affected by propaganda and region interests.
Let me ask you a few questions, because you seem to rely more on the fact you are a teacher rather than answering speciffically to each address you receive.
The one thesis you use is that the Macedonians where northern tribes that descended in the region… And I ask: aren’t all greek tribes?
Another question: what defines a civilization? Because in present times we have borders, but what about back then?
Let me answer: It is a group of people sharing the same religion and language isn’t it? I believe it is proven what religion and language the Macedonians had.
Have you wondered what that weird helmet is that Alexander was wearing? It was a lions head, since Alexander himself BELIEVED HE WAS A DESCENDANT OF HERCULES HIMSELF. If I can recall, Hercules was pretty much greek…
Another question you haven’t answered is this: how could Alexander compete in the Olympic games, striclty a helenic privillege back then?
Finally, you say that Macedonians were under hellenic rule. Count how many other greek city states had the same fate in the Meditterranian… Even so, this means these people were nothing else than greek before, unless you can tell me what they considered themselves to be… Slavs? The oldest unit they can belong to after they descended is the hellenic one… nothing to do with slavs…
As for books go, no need for greek written ones, there are plenty of good reads from top universities other than greek.
I am not sure about this, but I think some ansestors of Alexander lived in Southern Greece.
Also, during the expedition to the East, after a victory of Alexanders Army he ordered his men to enscribe that: “this is dedicated to all HELLENS, except the Spartans” since they didn’t take part…
Thank you
Instabul
You realise that “mathematics” is Greek word ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language
“Greek (ελληνική γλώσσα IPA: [eliniˈkʲi ˈɣlosa] or simply ελληνικά IPA: [eliniˈka] — “Hellenic”) has a documented history of 3,400 years, the longest of any single natural language in the Indo-European language family.”
“For that reason Greek-derived words predominate in the language of sciences, particularly of the natural sciences, e.g. physics, chemistry, biology, geography, medicine etc. It has been speculated by scholars that due to this specific flexibility, Greek and German have been the languages of philosophy, and that Plato’s ideas had pre-existed in Greek, in the same way that Meister Eckhart’s thoughts had in German.”
Also is one of the 23 official languages in the EU.
Also, sorry from the rest of the people who have to suffer this “live conflict”, but I hope you understand its meaning for us… Thanks for the game add!
@117 “The greek language will NEVER die. ”
Well. This maybe true for the ENGLISH language. <>
Why you Greeks keep sending ENGLISH SONGS to Eurovision????
You admit that your Language is DEAD. (And not only because YOU killed it)
The Internet is 99.9% English.
The Scientific books are 99.9% written in English.
The 99.9% of all the songs are English.
Weak up man!
@118 “Go learn some Greek Language”
I know the word “Malakas”. I think in Greece 3 out of 4 words that you say is “malakas”.
Ha! I just be informed that the most POPULAR advertisement in Greece is of an airline with London as Destination.
You see a man and woman exchange insults and thus they know that they are GREEKS.
Way to Go Greeks. Advertise your main (and ONLY?) product: swearing and aggressiveness.
@123
You have a pretty much f@@@ked up opinion about Greece. Our language is not as widespread as the English one, but it lives IN the English language. AND IN EVERY OTHER LANGUAGE as well. It is true that the global trends have effected Greece. But Turkey as well. I have been in Turkey, I even lived in a turkish family for a week as an exchange student. I respect Turkey in contrast with what you say. And it’s true, we modern greeks are not what the ancient greeks were. You played a big role in that! But we are proud of our heritage. And you only insult although everything you say applies to your country as well and sometimes even worse. Shall I mention the “FREEDOM OF SPEECH” issue? “WOMEN’S RIGHTS”? “POWER OF ISLAMIC MILITARISTS”? So stop just offending other nations regardless of their contribution to the global history
*Sniff* just came back and realized our “professor” run away hiding since he had his ass kicked too many times here today for his likes.
However lets have some fun with his utter nonsense.
“Professor” claimed:
“Earliest of historians were MORE THAN SEVERAL CENTURIES LATE for the timeframe of Macedonian settling of the area, so their information is hardly valuable in this perspective”
Excuse me “Professor” but apart from your vast incompetence in historical analysis, in your lone struggle to dress yourself as ‘Historian’ you never stop to trumpet your stunning ignorance!!!
I hope Readers burst out laughing while reading this crap as much as i did.
“Professor” Do you have ANY CLUE about History??? Are you even aware when HESIODUS lived???
NEWSFLASH!! Hesiodus wrote his account including Makedones as Greek-speakers around 700 BC which is extremely close to their migration to the region of Macedonia and certainly nothing like the groundless assertion “Several centuries later”.
In a festivity of ignorance our self-proclaimed “Historian” claims:
“Of course they would learn Greek, they had to, it was civilization compared to their state. They called themselves Greek when they had the power to do so”
“Professor” still NO clue about history? As already being slaped to your face more than once before, Macedonians evidently were using Greek language DURING their Migration. Can you even comprehend English language or we waste our time???
Your 2nd assertion is even more amusing. Macedonians called themselves Greek at the time all they had was only a tiny kingdom, ready to collapse from Barbarian incursions. Try using your local library for further education!!!
Dear “Professor” dont humiliate yourself in public. As they say your Ignorance is…Encyclopaedic!!
Alx,
1on) Isws na eisai esu o mlks kai oxi egw…
2on) Apo last post sou pou eixa diavasi katalava oti eisai (kati san skopianos kai les mlks) twra an kanw la8os se auto sou zitao sugnwmh giafto…
It’s all Greek to me…
Stamser
Kala re malaka den xereis na diavazeis? Pio last post mou? Exo grapsei sygrama antipropagandas edo, plaka mou kaneis..
p.s.To malakas einai teleios filiko en to metaxi..
Kala twra o tourkos exei dikio pou to mlks to xoume psomotiri.
oh lord halp someone is wrong in the INTERNET!
game sucks badly
xaxa nai malakia
1.This game is Fate of MACEDONIA
2.What is that Hellas? ??? Hellas and Greece no
exist!!!
3.MACEDONIA FOREVER !!!
4.Alexander the GREAT MACEDONIAN !!
5.Macedonian blood is Alexander blood!!!
@ 89 my chinese grandpa wrote that..still wanna believe everything u read is true…go ahead.
sorry, to double post. but GREEKS ARE CHINESE…no debate about that.
You greek nerds really need to find something better to do than reading some biased history books, arguing on web forums, creating some stupid ass web pages and arguing everywhere else on the net, and if you are really as tough as you pretend to be, well be waiting you on the next airplane at the Aleksandar Makedonski airport, alright ?
Or just suck on this 8===============D if you dont have the balls to come over here ?
Another frustrated clueless Slavic wannabe!!! Anyway to end with this festivity of idiocy here are a couple of things to consider.
Skopje’s history is based on falsification or better fabrication of a so called “Macedonian” history and nation. First thing, their “scholars” did was to get rid off all evidences and everything which would connect the Slavs of FYROM to their brethren Bulgarians.
- They changed all their Bulgarian surnames from -ov to -vski to fool themselves that they are different from Bulgarians.
- They got rid off, as much elements as they could from their Bulgarian language as to try and convince everybody that their dialect was something separate from Bulgarian.
- Another thing is their attempt to convince everyone that ancient Macedonia and its history is something separate from Hellas and Hellenic history. Thats why you see all over internet nothing else than Slavic propaganda of the type “Macedonians are/were not Hellines” “Alexander hated Hellenes” blah blah and such pathetic excuses. Now think of a while their argumentation.
They think that if they somehow manage to put forward the claim that Alexander was not Greek, then this will mean automatically according to their Screwed up brains that he was a Slav.
Unfortunately for them, all historic sources, all archeological findings proved that ancient Macedonians were greeks so what could they do for that? To claim Modern Greeks arent descedants of Ancient Greeks. Thats why they fabricated in their historic books and are distributing to their schools that modern greeks are descendants of…Ethiopians, Persians, Egyptians (Opinions of the former Bulgarians of FYROM vary in a wide range depending on the current brainwashing project), that’s why we witness in the net unfounded reports of paid ‘geneticists’ from West Bulgarians that ended up to be the new anecdote of the scientific community (the scientific community is still laughing with the case of Arnaiz-Villena) and now paid journalists through articles that could make the village idiot look like genious, to propagate an ‘indentity’ for these poor creatures.
In the meanwhile, the country of FYROM remains one THIRD-WORLD COUNTRY, with West Bulgarians from one side begging Greek government not to block their way in NATO and from the other side licking the soles of the Greek businessmen shoes so that they open up a small business with some of their money in their third-world country and pull off these poor creatures even temporarily from their misery.
Come on Greeks, give these people a break. Cant you see yourselves how desperate these poor brainwashed people are, to stop everyone from thinking of them as a complete Zero, a Nobody, and they have to pay each jumped-up idiot to invent for them an “indentity” It’s a matter of charity!!!
you really dont realise how pathetic you are don’t you? I can only guess on how many places you post this same crap and making some kind of excuse of your existance in this world, while sitting in your grandmas basement reading some greek literature written by some stoned greek and getting all patriotic on places where that kind of stuff don’t bellong (like here, hello?) and go out to have a breath of fresh air, or I’ll just reccomend this page for you . http://www.soulgeek.com . And no, im not really concerned about the macedonian name, im just annoyed by you greek idiots posting crap everywhere on the net.
@97 thanks
@98 Pıff… chicken hearted alx .lol.
1.This game is Fate of MACEDONIA
2.What is that Hellas? ??? Hellas and Greece no
exist!!!
3.MACEDONIA FOREVER !!!
4.Alexander the GREAT MACEDONIAN !!
5.Greece has fake history !!
6.Macedonian blood is Alexander blood!!!
duh 139
next century u might start saying that you are Japanese or smthing so someone must stop that.
btw: how many names have u changed in the last 100 years?
What means Φίλιππος,Μακεδόνας and Αλέξανδρος in your bulgarian language?
show me one monument that had your language on it
study Herodotus first and then claim something which is not yours.
What did Gligorof said about your origin ?
When you slavs come at this region?
remember what happened with austria & Germany and UK and France when they had name differences in the past
Remember which culture and civilization the Alexander spread to the world .
See what the Orthodox church believes of Μακεδονία
What was your previous name ? Vardaska Banovina maybe? Dardania maybe ?
I think you want the name to explain your existense in the Balkan,or else albanian and UCT will destroy you
Are there all the industries in your country greek or not ?
are you fed from Hellas or not?
do you need yes or not?
Think all these and then come if you dare to ask for Our History and our Name
Could you all just cut the crap about “Macedonia is Greek” & “Alexander the Great was Greek”? I mean, ok what if they were? What if the are? Who cares?
Even if you do can you change the fact that we Greek people (to be more precise: politics) allowed the name “Macedonia” to be used in other country? Stop looking in the past & try to live with the facts of the present. We screwed things up, no live with that, like it or not.
And for a change, refer to the game!!! This is not a politics, history, or geographic section!
Everyone knows the facts from written history books. Some historians might be objective, some might not. Why believe what u r reading and not believe what “I” am reading? What makes u so goddamn sure that your book is the one that speaks of truth?
The Greek historians at least were close to the source. The thing is that we might never know, but at least u should think about doubting what YOU are studying (@ professor). I just cant stand the fact that you are convinced by your books. The only solution i can think of:Read more books. Then you might have a better idea.Trying to b friendly here…
@Istanbul: Please stop posting nonsense.
Either way, the thing is that FYROM has nothing to do with Macedonia. That’s a fact.
Everyone should be happy of their heritage and who he/she is. No point trying to convince that youre someone else.
Why do you people insult each other? Its ridiculous.
And yes,Konstantinoupoli was Greek. Now it belongs to Turkey and is called Istanbul (= Is tin Poli = to the City).
I hate seeing fanatics all the time. Free your minds people.
Hmmm, this cant be good game, gonna give it a try anyway =)
And please, visit here, heres a nice game for u, i play it too
http://s1.fi.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=20473
Oh great, another flame war by Scopjan scumm trying to prove they are the descendants of Alexander the Great. Read some history first. Preferably not written by other Scopjans.
Ok there are bugs in this game. In the tutorial I cannot get past the first mission due to some kind of error that make it so I can’t train the right units and in level to of the spartan campaign I cannot train anything to siege walls… so I can’t get past that.
lol.. what is with greeks and their endless persistance to preach about their greek culture?.. let it go.. this is the games section not history.. the modern greeks arent the same as ancient greeks anyway another proof of ur arrogance/ignorance.. accept it u are not greek and will never be u are the ones “stealing” the “greek” culture just as the so called slavs try to “steal” macedonia..
the turks have done their homework! Trying to split the greek culture and history into “macedonian” and “greek” and also the persian into “persian” and “azeri”. And did I read one idiot write that greeks are wanna be turks? Well my little barbarian…most of todays turks are in fact indo-europeans (kurds, armenians, greek, persians etc) being brainwashed by atafu”"k. How turkic are you guys? Even the Ottomans called turks for turkish donkies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism#Within_the_Ottoman_Empire
and PLEASE stop talking about other civil. people stealing “your” culture. The turkish culture, people AND language are just a mix of other people’s cultures and languages. Even the name of your national anthem are mixed with foreign words! So get you history and background right before you try to teach other’s.
@ alx: Oxi sou lew den to proseksa olo to post (eimai kryomenos kai den ka8isa na dw ti graftike pio prin), kai ksana lew signomi… alla na sou pw kai kati allo? ti ka8ese kai asxolise me malakes ore afou den skampazoun tpt kai olo malakies lene kai tpt allo…
Solun was called Thesaloniki by the Greeks stupid morons, because they wanted to build a civilization based on lies and they`ve occupate the Macedonian people. The occupation hase been maded with a convention that has a timer set to 2012. So good luck Greeks
I little explanation about the Macedonians
.
George Bush has a Macedonian family.
The Queen of England has za Macedonian family.
Half of Russia has a Macedonian family.
The whole Balcan has a Macedonian family.
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING ON HOLIDAY IN GREECE THEY ARE COMING IN MACEDONIA
George Bush – Bitola ( the dead city Pela )
The Queen – Prilep ( the dead city Troy ) – 2008 discovery will be promoted in June 2008
The rest of them are centered in Skopje – ( the city of the Sun )
I wouldnt speak about Ohrid and the czar Samoil
it will hurt you
Germany – organization called Macedonia to the Macedonians
Australia – organization called Macedonians
Canada – organization called The Antique Macedonians etc.
They are loosin there patience, and in the last 2 months the intensity of there wrath is biger and biger. The whole world is trying to lower the voice of the Greek stupid nation, because The Romes, The Persian, The Eqyptians and the Ancient Greeks didnt forget us, and the whole world know how agressive are when they are angry.
@149
As I said earlier sorry we have to do this in the game section, but it is something that is of great importance for us.
How can you say we are always preaching greek history when you see that we are just replying to offending people who deny our ancestors and spread propaganda? You say that we have nothing to do with the ancient greeks… After 3000 years it is natural to differ quite a bit from your ancestors, but in that manner you shouldn’t be called (whatever country you are from) because in the last 300 years there have been many cross-breeds (and theres nothing wrong with that). But it is what you are according to what your parents raised you to be, as what their parents raised them to be etc.. Plus biologically some genes are always there…
@144 spyroskonst: Bravo, dine tous tharros esy. Synexise
It is very funny how the scopjans LEAP over all the evidense and reasonable explanations that are stated here and just say the one fraze, the only fraze apparently, that was in their fake books, that Macedonia was not greek… LOL
If you cannot read all the above, I can’t figure out how you can write, apparently you have someone next to you typing what you say out loud…
@137 alex : dont worry my friend. First see if you exist as independant country after what is about to happen up there with the border/independance matters, and then if you are still there we will see is 11.000.000 are affraid of 1.500.000 of mixed people who don’t even want to be united, since plenty are Albanians and Bulgarians… Until then READ above what wasn’t in your books and was in the rest of the worlds’…
All the names of macedonian kings and queens were of greek derivation.How can this be and what can this simply show?
Φίλλιπος =(Horse lover)=(Philip) is a greek name that exists in greek reality today.
Αλέξανδρος=αλέξω+ανηρ=(protector of the armed forces)=(Alexander)
is a greek name that exists in greek reality today..
Ολυμπιας=Olympias (Alexander’s mother)is a greek name too (which either comes from mount Olympos or from the ancient city of Olympia – Olympic games you know-.Whatever the case it comes from southern Greece which is another proof of their Greek origin.
How many people are named with greek names currently in FYROM?
Eh professor? Answer this please…
Correction on name Φίλιππος (Φίλος + ιππος)= Philip
This Game is Anti-Islamic American Propaganda brainwash material, Prophet Mohamed peace be upon you Allah Akbar
@160
Looks like you are missing a slight point.Its not our worry.We can stop saying anything and history will still be by our side,its already written and its there for everyone who has the intelligence and broadmindness to see it.
The ones who have to worry, and are definately worrying are the Skopjans and the Americans.Trust me the Greek Government right now has a lot of issues to solve and playing it right will save them some face.Regardless of the pressure G.W.Bush himself will try to put.So there is no chance anyone will give in.The Veto will be acted upon FYROM and the talks will go on until November when the next climax will happen regarding the EU.So plenty of time for all that.
@163
Peace to you to brother
Greek language is the base of all other languages.
As an example read these 2 speeches of Xenophon Zolota.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophon_Zolotas
Uses only greek words. This is our civilization. This is our language.
MACEDONIA IS GREEK.
Spade
I don’t think that humanity is a race for ever increasing entertainment. But we must questions the world and our routine life, internet is the true democratic medium that brings different cultures and views together. All that providing we don’t insult each other and abuse the medium.
As for what matters are important or not to someone let them be the judge of it. Those that avoid discussions end warring…
******* Proper crack needed ************
You cannot finish level 1 because the button to give money to allies is gone.
******* Proper crack needed ************
@168 what the heck are you talking about… just collect 3k gold and get the food to 650 (or what it is) and then go to the marker with ur king to “give” the sh*t..
While im at it .. i can do a little minireview after playing some of the missions. For you guys who are more interested in the game then the history (!) .. this game is quite entertaining. It reminds me alot of the old warcraft system where u are yo harvest gold, shop wood and build farms. The farms in fate of hellas though are not for increase number of population limit but to make them not loose health (the soldiers). What i like about the game is the equip soldier feat. which allow you not to build preset soldiers from your barracks.. but to equip them (from own made swords, shields, bows etc, or from items the enemy drop when you kill them) and make your own “presets”. When an enemy falls.. they drop their items which u collect with your peasants.
*possible spoiler for first mission*
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The bad about the game is that i found it quite hard. Im no RTS gamer but i actually had problem finish the first mission on normal becuse of the AI enemy that attacked quite soon after start with way bigger army then i had. It also gets hard to control all the units when big fights occur but once again that might be because im not used to rts
Overall I like the game. Its not superb, but it ok. I’d rate it 6/10 ..
PROUD TO BE BORN GREEK!
1.This game is Fate of MACEDONIA
2.What is that Hellas? ??? Hellas and Greece no
exist!!!
3.MACEDONIA FOREVER !!!
4.Alexander the GREAT MACEDONIAN !!
5.Macedonian blood is Alexander blood!
6.Greece is MACEDONIA !!!
7.Proud to be MACEDONIAN !!!
look I watched ‘The 300′ 5 times and the facts are that if it wasn’t for the greeks we wouldn’t have leather underpants and capes to run around in.
@171 mile lamja “Hellas and Greece no exist!!!” is not a proper English sentence!I wouldn’t mind but you keep posting it and reposting as if you are proud of your ignorance.
and one question to everyone: doesn’t anyone wonder why this debate is made more than 2000 year after the times of Alexander the great? it sure took a while for Skopje to realize “its” heritage was being stolen by the evil greedy Greeks…
I just called Cornell and got their history professor arrested for pirating game. Anybody interested in that job opening?
@ Cornellian, R E S P E C T, man !!! But, in the immortal words of the Allman Brothers : Wasted Words …
MAKKAAAAKKKEEEESSS, ksypnate reeeeeee !!!! Poion ap’aftous noiazei h etymologia tou VOUKEFALAS , re xaivania ? O gero Alekos htane stratigara, htane kai pisoglentis, kai tora einai PSOFIOS, gamo tin trella sas, einai tosa GAMHMENA XRONIA psofios … Mas dernoune tous dhmosiografous ki eseis akoma analyete “Filos + Ippos” anti na kanoume ena ntou sta synora – 200.000 nomataioi einai-den einai – kiemeis 10.000.000 KOTES – kathiste kai vrite tora poios tin eixe pio megali – O Hrodotos h o Thoukididis ahahahahahahahaha
(btw – the game SUCKS SERIOUS ASS
More da dajt gospod semkata da vi se sotrit!
The game wont start for me. Crashes upon start up with errors.
#127
THE BEST!
I cant seem to get this game running. I have burnt it on a DVD. It keeps giving a error mesage please help.
@Romulus
WHAT do u mean by:”WE INVENT CIVILIZATION1!!”
you should realllly read more about some civilizations that till this day modern science cant figure out how could they created the meaning of CIVILIZATION while all Europe was fighting over their scarce resources
You are a disgrace for your people and shouldn’t be called a son of a great leader like ALEXANDROS
hehehe this gipsi greek’s i realy stuped, half of greece belonged to macedonia till 1900, and after 2th world war MACEDONIA i separetet on 4 parts so greek take’s a big part, and from then thay whant to take our history but thay will take only my PENI*. In 2012 the agriment will be open and all world will know the truth about MACEDONIA so like i say thay will take only my PENI*. It’s important to know this all people becouse the people make a things like this game and thay are based on the some greek lie. For all who belive
in greek lie plase see the clip that shocked greece, this is thuth and the video is maket by Discovery chanel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAYIDO5832Q&feature=related
i have something to say to the Skopjans:You should leave our Greek History and try to find a nice name for the last time of your existence in order to get yourselves into NATO and EU.Otherwise you won’t be able to exist as a country,you have many Albanians there and it won’t be easy.
i would like to ask a question to the that claim to be macedonians.i would really like to have an answer to this.
suppose a number of fyrom citizens migrates to a different country (say australia).does that make them eligible -after a number of years- to claim a part of australia as their own just because they migrated there?
even if the slavic tribes did come to the specific region some centuries back, that does not make them as the inheritents of that land nor the descendants of the culture which was dominant there.they were simply an ethnic minority.sad, but true.
otherwise there is a number of greek enterprenuers that has gone to fyrom.according to your logic, fyrom should be greek too since greeks “just happen” to live to your country
last thoughts… (sorry i had to do something.)
50-60 yrs. ago a lot of greeks migrated to america.now there are 2nd even 3rd generation greeks to various cities in the u.s.
-again using your own arguments- should they as well claim that they are the only americans existant in those cities?weren’t there people living in those cities before the greeks’ arrival?have they lost their right to be u.s. citizents?
i really support your right to find your own ethnic/cultural character.what i don’t support is the false pretention of ancestry of a totally different culture ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TRUE GOAL -NO MATTER HOW PATHETIC THIS MAY BE- IS TO EXPAND THE NATIONAL SOVEREIGN OF A STATE.(our skopians know very well what i mean)
a few posts back someone -who seems to be turkish and that is my notice- started to swear without any logical arguments against greece.well, the only thing i can say about his rather colorful remarks, is that anyone proves everyday his value.he has shown to everyone his as well.
that’s it.i wont bother anyone anymore over this matter.
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good game for you
Macedonia is one and Greek.
MACEDONIANS ARE THE GREEK PEOPLE
DONT FORGET WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GREEK AND MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE … IT WAS 3 GREEK LETTERS WICH THEY USED OTHERS.
EG THE DIDNT SAY “BALANTIS” BUT “XALANTIS” AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
THE GREAT ALEXANDER (AND NOT ALEXANDER THE GREAT) HAD FOR HIS TEACHER A GREEK PHILOSOPHER …E.T.C SO
YOU SKOPJA OR FYROM DONT TALK AND GO LEARN SOME HISTORY…
Cornellian…
I don’t agree with your claims about the Macedonians being a distinct ethnic group… Most claims that support this are usually backed only by the fact that they had a different political structure. (actually, there were many Hellenic kingdoms rather than democracy, Epirus for example).
Also, you’re claim that ‘The Macedonians were under Greek rule for a millenia’ is completely false. They were not under Greek rule for a millenia, and if they were, under which city states? (because as we all know there was no common Hellenic state or empire at that time).
Of course if we go to the bottom line none of this is very relevant… The fact that the Macedonians IDENTIFIED AS HELLENES, the fact that they SPREAD HELLENIC CULTURE, the fact that they SPREAD THE HELLENIC LANGUAGE, this is more than enough to say that they were Greek.
Again Cornellian:
My next question will reveal your true colors (which i hope are not the ones everyone here expects).
Lets make an ASSUMPTION (for the sake of discussion) that the Macedonians were a distinct tribe in ancient times, like the Tracians, and not Hellenic.
Does this justify a Slavic speaking, mostly Bulgarian peoples to claim the Macedonian name and legacy as their own? Especially when this non Hellenic (remember, just an assumption) race spread the Hellenic culture and language?
Do you agree that the Macedonians have more ties with Hellas than with a group of peoples that chose the name Macedonia for themselves based solely on the fact that they live in the broader geographical area of Macedonia?
fghfg fghfghf fgh fgh
ti auto htan den exei allo κριμα ρε γαμωτο κ τους τι λεγαμε για τα καλα polu pisma omws oi mpastardoi
19 iouliou 2009 k eimai akoma edw perimenw na pei kapoios tpt :S
i cant play fate of hellas …i got problem say no disc inserted….who can tell me where can i download its ISO image