Comments (112)

1. brookman
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:19

   so is the movie pro or contra intelligent design?

2. Inuyasha
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:25

   Pro Intelligent Design, and it sucks major donkey balls big time. Same religious reasoning as one can expect from a thorough believer. Not objective. That’s why the score is that low.

3. Marcus
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:25

   @1

   Its pro, so I’ll be watching it for the lulz

4. skep
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:26

   it’s pro intelligent design and a steaming heap of crap. quite ironic that the country that takes great pride in being the most scientifically advanced one (and not without reason) has to deal with a troglodyte pseudo-discussion such as this. only a matter of time until some ultra-religious bloke foolishly attempts to disprove the way the earth rotates around the sun…

5. ronopotomus
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:27

   “Never ever doubt what no one is sure about”
   W. Wonka

6. B
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:29

   Why would you feature this fooktard on here?

7. Inuyasha
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:31

   Just do some youtube search, and watch how many crap comes out of his mouth.

8. jp honda
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:32

   Ha ha the idiot yanks will love this

9. ohno
   October 13th, 2008 | 16:32

   oh. this is going to be a joyful one to watch.
   but check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY if you wanna know nature works.

10. steve
    October 13th, 2008 | 16:45

    ““Never ever doubt what no one is sure about”
    W. Wonka”

    hm, this seems to be the attitude Bush, Sec Paullson and the rest are applying to the steps their taking in this bailout.

11. emt
    October 13th, 2008 | 16:46

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    especially if you’re actually thinking of taking him serious.

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    October 13th, 2008 | 17:16

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14. Nick
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:17

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15. sam
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:20

    Only in America is such blatant stupidity championed as being “rebellious” or “free thinking”.

    It’s reached a point where simple minds can no longer process the basic realities of our existence. And that existence clashes so hard with their archaic flat-earth biblical end times outlook that they resort to absurd theories and notions of being outcasts and outsiders. Only in America will we embrace such stupidity so wholeheartedly. Yes, folks, the people who have been burning ‘outsiders’ at the stake for centuries upon centuries have now brought their stone-age lifestyles and belief systems to the 21st century in attempts to claim they are the ones being burned at the stake.

16. Denis
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:31

    Hell yeah, I was looking forward to watching this Ben Stein moron making fools out of himself, religion and its brainwashed people… A true entertainment..

    @sam:
    And such stupidities are not going on only in America..
    It is America and middle east !..

17. QuadrupelQ
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:46

    Well, this just shows every idiot can make a documentary about anything. To me, people who believe in ID rank next to Scientologists (aka people who should be put to sleep).

    And I bet Sarah Palin is fingering herself to this movie whilst we type.

18. Chris
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:51

    Thanks for the release. There are some people around that actually use their brains and will really appreciate this movie.

    Anyone who believes that they came from a rock (ALL evolutionists!) have a screw loose. And don’t try to tell me that’s not what you believe…. most of the time us “intelligent” people have to explain to you “brainwashed” people what it is that you actually believe.

    BTW the Bible itself says the Earth is ROUND not FLAT!

19. Sacrifice
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:55

    Well, unlike most people here who criticize it without having seen it (including the poster), I look forward to watching it and keeping an open mind.

    “The fanatical atheist is the mirror image of the religious zealot.”

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    October 13th, 2008 | 17:57

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21. jik
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:59

    man america is NOT the country MOST scientifically advance anymore, like come on only STUPID people think of their country like that. AND because of that American people WILL make STUPID mistakes in the future and INTELLiGENT people from other countries will then RECONSIDER invading America realising STUPID people live there.

22. Rokas
    October 13th, 2008 | 17:59

    Trailer here…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE

    ..looks interesting…i’m reading “The Field” by Lynne McTaggart & David Icke’s “Infinite Love Is the Only Truth: Everything Else Is Illusion”…so this will blend perfectly

23. Jet
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:06

    @QuadrupelQ don’t be a hater.

24. ~R~
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:12

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    October 13th, 2008 | 18:14

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26. notintheleastbit
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:23

    @2&4:

    Have you even watched this? It is making fun of ID through sarcasm. They wanted to take a stupid idea so seriously, that those who actually believe it will see how stupid it is…

27. busted
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:26

    Best plot summary ever.

28. Anon
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:28

    Stay away from this, this is one of the lowest reviewed movies ever.

29. Nick
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:37

    thnx Dr.Pepper for the link

30. Realistic Dreamer
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:44

    Read the Fun Stuff -Trivia on IMDB before you wade throught this garbage heap. Unless you want to watch it for the humourous angle on reality. If you think the Earth is just 6,000 years old, then this crap is for you. If you have a brain that has evolved to give you any intelligence, then stay away.

    Here is from IMDB (Fun Stuff):
    The film sets up the lecture scene as if it were an actual university lecture. While filmed at Pepperdine University, the auditorium had been rented by the producers and the lecture was not an officially sanctioned event. Pepperdine officials confirmed that the audience was made up of paid extras with only “two or three” actual students attending. Pepperdine administration claims that their student body, while overwhelmingly Christian (Pepperdine is a private Christian college), accepts evolution and does not accept the concept of Intelligent Design. Ironically, Michael Shermer, one of the “Big Science” interviewees in the movie, is a Pepperdine graduate.

31. Fnerg
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:49

    @9
    >Ha ha the idiot yanks will love this

    Ha ha so will the idiot eurotrash

32. poontastic
    October 13th, 2008 | 18:59

    “Ha ha so will the idiot eurotrash”

    Sorry, the idiot eurotrash may have their faults, but they don’t believe in Voodoo. In fact, even Pope himself acknowledges that Evolution is completely consistent with the bible and with religious teachings.

    “The fanatical atheist is the mirror image of the religious zealot.”

    And the American religious fundamentalist is the mirror image of the Muslim religious fundamentalist. Both are opposed to science and the scientific method. Both believe that religious dogma trumps empirical evidence. And both want to take away our freedoms.

    At least the Muslims have got the fact that many of them live in Totalitarian Societies as an excuse for their militant ignorance. In America, Militant Ignorance is seen as a quality rather than a personality flaw.

33. V
    October 13th, 2008 | 19:11

    It is truly overwhelming the amount of people here willing to criticize anything without even watching it.

    This movie CRITICIZES Intelligent Design, it DOES NOT support the idea!

    NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED says the title, you idiots.

    .-

34. skep
    October 13th, 2008 | 19:14

    @27/35

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein#Views_on_science

    Enough said.

35. sean
    October 13th, 2008 | 19:17

    From what I understand Ben Stein is an open opponent of the teaching of evolution and has been for a while. So the absurdity of ID (both in general and how it’s presented/defended in this documentary) is most likely NOT intended to be satirical. It’s scary that Americans (even college educated ones, such as my roommates) openly denounce evolution

36. V
    October 13th, 2008 | 19:23

    Oh what an idiot, I was wrong

    .-

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38. Pixelated
    October 13th, 2008 | 19:38

    Ben Stein is just another right wing nut job spreading more of this Jewish nonsense. Who really cares what he thinks?

39. seaweed
    October 13th, 2008 | 19:47

    post the Golden axe game for xbox360

40. postingtowin
    October 13th, 2008 | 20:05

    What’s this about only in America and the Middle East?

    About 20% of British, Scandinavian and German youth are taught creationism via Islamic religious classes in public schools or religious charter schools paid for by tax dollars. That’s a higher percent than America where creationism is mostly for the hicks, not our cities.

41. common sense
    October 13th, 2008 | 20:20

    For all you haters, prove that evolution exists. Show me one species that has evolved into another..name me one time that an ape has had a human baby, or human that has an ape child. Even Darwin stated that he could not prove that evolution existed, that it was a theory as it could not be proved.

    Now..who know evolution better then the guy who invented it?

    And as for him not making sense…he makes more sense then any of the followers of the religion of evolution that posted here. Now while I will admit that I cannot prove a God exists, neither can any of you ethically challenged evolutionists prove that your therory is factual either. It was tried before and a mental midget got mad becuase using his own statement, it said that evolution could not be proven with todays science. And just remember, dogs changing is not evolution nor is domesticating cows, that is called selective breeding. Only a fool or a complete and total moron would confuse the two.

42. JerryMander
    October 13th, 2008 | 21:04

    @43 common sense, you as a complete moron asking for proof that evolution exists, have proven yourself by being just intelligent enough to type. Try every piece of science which hasn’t been generated at Jerry Falwell’s clown college or The Creation Institute(LMFAO). Try an original thought once instead of regurgitating this crap written at these places for you, the republican’t base.

    Instead of us proving to you that evolution exists(LMFAO @ you, you inbred flat earther)let’s first establish your competence, tell us how you feel about global warming and gravity.

    If you had a brain big enough to to conjugate the verbs in your post, you’d know that Ben Stein doesn’t believe this crap either and that he has successfully targeted this crap at you, the stupid Jesustard demographic.

    Burn the witch!

43. Neil
    October 13th, 2008 | 21:09

    @common sense
    There is no prove for Evolution… That’s why it’s called a ‘theory’.. There is no scientist that presents this as a fact! An no, it’s not possible to show you a ape baby born out of a human, because the theory is that evolution does not happen overnight. What scientists DO is try to find evidence for this theory. Religious people telle me I shoould believe their side of the story because they say so!
    It’s basic stuff: Show me solid proof regarding a theory or religion..-ANY theory or religion- and I’ll make the decision for myself..
    If you haven’t got proof… Don’t bother me with your BS..

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    October 13th, 2008 | 21:15

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45. Haki
    October 13th, 2008 | 21:48

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46. Deyo
    October 13th, 2008 | 22:06

    @19,Chris :

    The bible says many times the Earth have the ends and 4 corners.. So what does this information tell to someone with insufficient brain capacity like you? That it is flat or round?

    But you are right about one thing, you and people like you are “intelligent” ..:S

47. Old Commie prevert
    October 13th, 2008 | 22:11

    I can say without fear of equivocation that I would rather beass focked by a donkey than watch this movie.
    I have no idea whether stein is on the level or not but I do know that having silly debates over an issue that was resolved the century before last is not my idea of a stimulating movie.

    The fact that 21st century americans can even consider that evolution ‘didn’t happen’ tells us just how badly their education system has failed their citizens.
    This demonstrates exactly how few americans have a basic grasp of scientific principle and also demonstrates why it is that US has to use russian rockets to get into space nowadays.

    The american manned space program has become non-existent, in fact a substantial number of americans appear to believe that space research is a guvmint conspiracy, that the moon landings were filmed on a hollywood back lot!

    No wonder they have to import scientists from other countries to do their drugs and weapons research. These are about the only two areas where science research appears to be tolerated. Drug research so that rich amerikans can continue to extort money from poor sick people, weapons research so that those same capitalists can continue to steal the world’s resources.
    Is it really gonna be safe to use russian cosmonauts to fix america’s spy satellites?

    xtians are correct about one thing. The end is nigh, the end of american hegemony that is. It will end because too many americans have come to believe the ‘noble’ lies as that scum Leo Strauss (Unversity of Chicago father of neo-con philosophy) described the need for amerika’s elites to deceive the bulk of america’s citizens.

48. Copeyboy
    October 13th, 2008 | 22:21

    Okay, JerryMander and the rest of the evolution fools, instead of attacking someone who asks you to offer some sort of “proof” that the evolutionary theory is correct, why not attempt to do so? You get a case of diarrhea of the mouth and say that evolution is a theory and cannot be proven. Most would say the same thing about religion. How are they different? You believe in your theory, I’ll believe in mine. The only proof scientists offer for evolution is empirical. Well, this is the same proof I can offer for religion. It’s all based on experience. Acting like an a$$hole and attacking someone who believes differently than you do is a cheap shot which limits your own credibility.

49. jesus?
    October 13th, 2008 | 22:23

    “Never ever doubt what no one is sure about”
    W. Wonka
    Excellent quote! very,very funny.

    I have not had a chance to watch this yet but I have to say I am not a ben stein fan but the topic is interesting. I just wanna say yes, when you say creationism and you refer to jesus freaks and any other religion that thinks they have it right, you wreck the whole idea because people argue over the bible or any other religious text and say they are right and everyone else is wrong. The problem is that they are all wrong! Jesus is not god and the world was not created in 7 days! You could say we all evolved from micro organisms, but the real truth of the matter is that something created those micro organisms that were in tern created by the big bang. And by the way, since matter can not be created nor destroyed, then how did the matter that created the big bang come into existance? I would say creationism or a higher power or as most would say god or intelligent desing had a part in the big bang. And by the way, when I said god I was not refering to jesus you Cookey jesus freaks.

50. Timmy Square Head
    October 13th, 2008 | 22:52

    99% of everything you download comes from the yanks. your enlightened countries don’t create anything worthwhile. show some respect, you sods.

51. Hello Lemmings
    October 13th, 2008 | 22:52

    Ben Stein ok look at his name please just research or something before you guys make yourselves look stupid because you are speaking about something you obviously don’t understand.. Ben Stein.. Goldstein.. Bloomburg.. Applestein, Rosenburg.. he is Jewish.. why are you bringing up Jesus when the guy obviously doesn’t believe in Jesus.. and Intelligent Design has just as much scientific evidence to back it up as evolution. Both evolution and the big bang theory are theories which means they have yet to be proven. Darwin himself said that his theories came straight out of a science fiction dream he had and they are finding major flaws in all of his research.

52. Learry
    October 13th, 2008 | 22:55

    @50,Copeyboy:

    First of all ,you must be aware of the complexity of organisms and the enormous amount of time that our planet went through.. All visible changes happen over long periods of time and things like evolution are not easily comprehensible…

    We have enormous amount of concrete evidence for evolution, but you cannot prove it in a few sentences.. There are thousands of clues and proofs for evolution, but you have to educate yourself.The more you read, the more sens it makes and it all adds up..
    And if you want to fully understand evolution, you must invest months of time to reading about it, and not only Darwin`s Origins of speies, but about biology itself….

    On the other hand, most of what religion teaches has been proven to be false (to say the least) and if you want to persuade yourself that religion and science are “equal”, you can, but remember this, 20 or 30 years from now, you will be so ashamed of yourself that you will liturally cry… Just remember that, please !!..

    Having religion around is so much easier sometimes, and probably your parents have the same beliefs as you do. And rejecting religion in some way means rejecting your parents,which is very hard….But remember, taking your position is still very selfish thing to do, despite all that.!!!

53. Ruff McGruff
    October 13th, 2008 | 23:03

    @ Copeyboy -

    RIGHT ON

54. Rev. Rick White
    October 13th, 2008 | 23:34

    What I love is how they say scientists who support ID are being persecuted. A scientist is someone who is supposed to follow the scientific method ie empirical, observable, and measurable evidence.

    Show me how one ID “scientist” is following the scientific method.

55. JerryMander
    October 13th, 2008 | 23:45

    You morons stop asking for proof that evolution is real, for Jeebus’ sake, pick up any biology or geology book written in the last 100 years you pack of idiots. Prove to me that the earth isnt the center of the universe.

    Gee I must bee right, I’m so brilliant.

    I’m really surprised that these people can manage to vote. Ben Stein is laughing all the way to the bank at you.

    Vote for another republican because he says Jesus while raping you.

56. RopeyHead
    October 14th, 2008 | 00:19

    Oh and for the record, evolution is both a theory and a fact. Try reading once in awhile.

57. cheyennewarrior
    October 14th, 2008 | 00:31

    You think intelligent design is stupid. Sara Palin believes that dinosaur bones were placed her by the devil to make us all doubt that God exist. She believes that the Earth is only 5000 years old. This idiot could very possible be in the White House.

    You can never underestimate the ignorance of the public. Amazing–simply amazing!

58. Johnny Be Goode
    October 14th, 2008 | 00:36

    @ 56

    Show me a Scientist who has followed the Scientific method of the Big Bang. Hasn’t been observed nor measured. Nor has Macroevolution.

    Both the creationist view and the evolution view have major flaws. Hopefully one day a new thing will come along and prove to be the truest of true =D

59. Skyline
    October 14th, 2008 | 00:40

    Ugh 95 percent of the above posts are crap. How you derive antisemitism, denouncing those who believe in whatever and falling into the I hate America vs I hate Euro trash from this post is beyond me. What would be helpful is one of these posts commenting on the audio and video quality after all that what these comments are for telling others about the quality of the vid and whether it was good or not. So allow me to say Vid 9/10
    Audio 8/10

60. Wah
    October 14th, 2008 | 01:16

    What I love about documentaries is reading negative reviews on them. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Christian, Atheist, Liberal, or Conservative documentary but the critics who don’t like it always call it “propaganda”. Isn’t the purpose of the documentary to push you towards the maker’s thought belief and bully you with facts that refute the opposing side’s opinion? As far as I am considered that makes every documentary propaganda. I know that some documentaries claim to just be showing the truth on a subject, but let’s face it; they all have an agenda. In the same sense it’s notorious of documentaries to leave out facts in order to support their view. I wasn’t surprised when they did it in King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters, and I won’t be surprised by any other documentary that does it either. That makes Expelled a propaganda because it completely skews and ignores facts on the ground in favor of a controversy that doesn’t exist. The filmmakers engaged in deceptive interview tactics. It is a waste of time.

61. Lance Uppercut
    October 14th, 2008 | 01:21

    #61 that’s funny Let me just say that I have my own belief system but the fact is that I’m here. I really don’t care how I got here. That being said… The BIGGEST argument against evolution is most of you here. Unbelievable to read some of the intolerance displayed here today. I remember thinking as a kid that closed minded people were dying off everyday… Guess not.

62. Hmmm
    October 14th, 2008 | 01:40

    Seen it forever ago….this movie, “intelligent design” and clear eyes guy here are steaming piles of crap.

63. MixJif
    October 14th, 2008 | 01:43

    people are just gullable.
    everyone only knows what they grow up with, and thats due to your parents or guardians.
    regardless of what side of which ocean you live on.

    must we forget that Religion in general has caused more deaths than any other cause in the existence of the earth?

    oh but if you believe in science and proof, that will only lead to genocide and power moves.

64. Bill Nye
    October 14th, 2008 | 03:02

    So it began: Adam and Eve
    Now,
    look at the diversity of humans around the globe. Hair, teeth, skin, and even internal organs have evolved to allow this species to adapt to its environment.

    Species evolve, or they vanish.
    Like the old saying: How intelligent can the design be, really. Have you even looked in a mirror while naked. Who would put a playground next to a waste disposal.

    Lighten up, we are still far too primative to comprehend the answers. And besides, who in the hell would be drawn to any movie starring Ben Stiller (except for Ferris Bueller).

65. good times
    October 14th, 2008 | 03:26

    What you are all really asking: “Has the Bible been proven wrong?” “Do you take it as the Word Of God? Or not?” “Do you decide, (or allow the overseers of your religion to decide), what parts of the Bible you should believe or disbelieve?”

    “Ultimately, we all want to know, is there a heaven? And more importantly, is there a hell?” Forget about the evolution for a second, what about your BEING? “Did your soul just happen to come into your body and not Michael Jordan’s?” “If it didn’t just happen, where did your soul come from?”

    To answer any of these questions requires faith. Faith in what is, or faith in what isn’t. Now, I can understand why someone who believes in the Bible would want to convince others to ask themselves, “Who will save their soul?” What I can’t understand is why someone who doesn’t believe in God, Heaven, and Hell, tend to get even more excited about convincing others towards their faith???

66. MixJif
    October 14th, 2008 | 03:31

    @67 - yeah i feel you.
    I’m not much of a believer myself, but I don’t see it my personal quest to change those who are on the so called “wrong path” in my eyes…
    i too wonder why people get so excited.

67. Bebjamin Briggs
    October 14th, 2008 | 03:52

    Show you one species that has evolved from another…HUMANS!!!
    It isn’t called the theory of evolution by academics any longer…it’s accepted as fact.
    All of the arguments set forth by the ignorant people on this page are out-dated by 20 years…and were invalid at the time time of their conception.
    There is no “missing link”—the missing link was a term from
    “Origin of Species”. This was a term used by Darwin because at the time species such as Australopithecus had not yet been discovered.
    There isn’t enough room on this page to rescue the opiated masses from their own stupidity…so I guess you can and will believe whatever nonsense you like…I suggest downloading some Richard Dawkins documentaries…If after watching them, you still think evolution is bull…kill yourself…survival of the fittest also includes the ability to see the world in a rational manner…we don’t need you dirtying up our gene pool.

68. SholVah
    October 14th, 2008 | 04:01

    Evolution? The Big Bang? We, as a species, have not, yet, evolved to the point where we are capable of answering those questions. We are in the same relative position as those who invented the concept of gods, in the first place: ignorance, in the sense that we simply lack the knowledge, coupled with an insatiable desire for that knowledge, combine to produce an atmosphere where any plausible theory is acceptable.

    Is what we believe to be the absolute truth, now, actually true?
    Who knows - probably not.

    If we learn something new, tomorrow, that completely negates what we believe, today, will we bury our heads in the sand and refute the accuracy of the new information simply because it doesn’t conform to our current beliefs?
    Boy, I hope not. That’s the way of Religion.

    The way of Science is to say, “Oh, so this is what’s true, now? Okay, gotcha.”, and life moves on, from there.

    A common attack tactic employed by Religion against Science is to run through the laundry list of past scientific “beliefs” that have, since then, been dis-proven. A Scientist looks at that, perplexed, and says, “Yeah, sure… based on the available information, that IS what we believed to be true, yesterday. So what? Today, we have new information. We accept this new information, for what it is, and make adjustments, as needed, throughout the the entire realm of what we believe to be true. That’s the way Science works.”
    Religion responds with, “Okay, then, show me proof about something that no one was around to see (The Big Bang).”
    Science = “Well, what would you accept as proof? Some words, written in a book, by someone who claims to have been there? Would that be good enough for you?”
    Religion = “Of course! That’s what we base our entire belief system on.”
    Science, then, turns around, grabs a notebook and a pen, and starts scribbling.
    Religion soon finds itself out of arguments.

    Oh, if only…

    Oh, yeah… the movie looks mildly interesting.

69. good times
    October 14th, 2008 | 04:21

    Unless YOU are doing ALL the research, historical data points, carbon dating, dig sites, etc. (a truly impossible task for any one person), your opinion is based on nothing more than faith.

    So, does your faith rest in man, or in God?

70. bbrain
    October 14th, 2008 | 04:27

    wow, such hatred for God, if u are an atheist let it be..
    but if u hate God then u are something else.. admit it.

71. Wah
    October 14th, 2008 | 04:28

    @65 MixJif

    I think people and politics are the problem. Together they breed fundamentalism in religion and science.

    @70 SholVah

    What’s more important to religion: proof or faith?

    You see, science answers questions about how things work and what things are through the assumption-centered hypothesis which teaches that an unobservable principle is responsible for speciation and order through random alterations, but it cannot answer the questions of greater meaning that scientific discoveries may point to. That is the realm of the scientific philosophers.

    Since we’ll never fully understand the act of nature, the life-line of science thrives on the blood of today’s experiments of tomorrow and will come up with some reason to put in the books, but in the end, it’ll be just a theory. We often fail to acknowledge that there are forces at work beyond our understanding so to be a good scientist, we must have a respectful awe for the laws of nature.

    Science, like government, has to learn what it’s good at and what it’s bad at. When it doesn’t have a good enough edge — say, when a scientist doesn’t have nearly enough information — it should just admit that it doesn’t have a solution and move on. The need for tidy packaged solutions causes many problems. Unless science works in a worldview that has room for real mystery — not merely the categories of knowledge and ignorance — it’s always going to wind up making foolish mistakes out of arrogance.

72. Wiz
    October 14th, 2008 | 04:39

    If there was any intelligent design, we humans are a design failure.

73. Angry_Games
    October 14th, 2008 | 06:10

    Hey all, here’s a bit of explanation on theories:
    http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

    quote: THEORY: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

    A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

    In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

    The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena.

    Development of a Simple Theory by the Scientific Method:

    * Observation: Every swan I’ve ever seen is white.
    * Hypothesis: All swans must be white.
    * Test: A random sampling of swans from each continent where swans are indigenous produces only white swans.
    * Publication: “My global research has indicated that swans are always white, wherever they are observed.”
    * Verification: Every swan any other scientist has ever observed in any country has always been white.
    * Theory: All swans are white.

    Prediction: The next swan I see will be white.

74. Angry_Games
    October 14th, 2008 | 06:14

    forgot to add this last bit from the page so before you comment on the above post, read the rest:

    Note, however, that although the prediction is useful, the theory does not absolutely prove that the next swan I see will be white. Thus it is said to be falsifiable. If anyone ever saw a black swan, the theory would have to be tweaked or thrown out. (And yes, there are really black swans. This example was just to illustrate the point.)

    Real scientific theories must be falsifiable. So-called “theories” based on religion, such as creationism or intelligent design are, therefore, not scientific theories. They are not falsifiable and they do not follow the scientific method.

    Now, go to UC Berkeley and read this:
    http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evolution.html

75. Angry_Games
    October 14th, 2008 | 06:19

    oh and one last thing, the Evolutionary Tree (proven facts, not conjecture):

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/phylogenetics_01

76. Annwen
    October 14th, 2008 | 08:33

    I won’t try to change anyone’s opinion, but seriously, most of the anti-religious/anti-intelligent design crowd here seem to be spewing the same old rhetoric from 200 years ago that has been debunked countless times…. and conveniently ignored by evolutionists. Briefly allow me to illuminate just 2 items which 99.9% of people don’t know the real information.

    1. Everything was created in 6 24 hour days.

    At no time and in no way is there any hint, allusion, mention or reference to a period of 24 hours. The bible merely states god created everything in 6 periods of time he referred to as ‘days’. Therefore there is nothing to say 1 such ‘day’ could not be millions of years in duration.

    2. The Earth is 6000 years old.

    Again, there is no biblical passage which attributes the age of the Earth as 6000 years. What there IS reference to is that HUMANS as we know them (homo-sapiens) have only existed for 6000 years. If you doubt this, it contains a full genealogy up to the birth of Jesus Christ and ages for those forefathers anyone can read it for themselves.

    No doubt the rabid athiests/evolutionists have already turned off but hopefully some read and it will prick your curiosity.

    As a curtain call, why has no animal in recorded history evolved into something else.. they just go extinct, they don’t miraculously mutate to adapt to changing environments.

77. Inteligent Design
    October 14th, 2008 | 09:24

    I don’t know what the big argument is about. Everyone knows that we were created by an intelligent creator. Millions of years ago an alien species developed the ability to create life, unsatisfied with their early attempt but possessing to much compassion towards their failures they propelled their experiment into space. Millenniums later the experiment crashed into earth, in the process killing all the dinosaurs. I don’t know how you guys all missed this in your history textbooks… jeesh.

78. Maarten
    October 14th, 2008 | 10:05

    Intelligent design has no scientific base whatsoever.

    Please, if you are going to watch this, also watch: http://www.mininova.org/get/1646547

79. Guxt
    October 14th, 2008 | 14:10

    Lance Uppercut said:

    #61 that’s funny Let me just say that I have my own belief system but the fact is that I’m here. I really don’t care how I got here. That being said… The BIGGEST argument against evolution is most of you here. Unbelievable to read some of the intolerance displayed here today. I remember thinking as a kid that closed minded people were dying off everyday… Guess not.

    Exactly!!!!! Rslog has become one of the most full of hate sites that I’ve visited in a long time. People hate whatever they don’t like. Where is YOUR personal evolution?? Most of you are so close minded that don’t show any signs of evolution.

80. common sense
    October 14th, 2008 | 14:59

    JerryMander
    October 13th, 2008 | 21:04
    @43 common sense, you as a complete moron asking for proof that evolution exists, have proven yourself by being just intelligent enough to type. Try every piece of science which hasn’t been generated at Jerry Falwell’s clown college or The Creation Institute(LMFAO). Try an original thought once instead of regurgitating this crap written at these places for you, the republican’t base.

    ———
    So provide one @44, or are you going to flasp your lips all day making you think you actually said something important? Ignorant f%^knut, I NEVER SAID I believed in a God now did I? I said I could not prove one existed, just like you cannot prove evolution exist. So maybe instead of acting like you are an educator, you should pull your head out of your arse and actually READ what was posted!

    Neil@45, You said What scientists DO is try to find evidence for this theory. That is my whole point. While the ID people cannot find nor prove that their religion is factual, neither can so called “experts” like the dipstick above you @44, prove evolution exists either. You are saying the exact same thing I did.

    Ok @58 ropeyHead, you stated “Oh and for the record, evolution is both a theory and a fact. Try reading once in awhile.” Now this shows exactly how STUPID your statement is. If something is a “fact” then that means it has been proven beyond all shadow of a doubt. If something is a “theory” then that means that is what some think it is but so far have NOT been able to prove it. You cannot have it both ways dweeb!

    @57 JerryMander, STILL waiting for you to provide ONE documented case of proof of evolution instead of flapping your gums like a gassy windbag. Popping off all the time and yet not helping your case any.

    @65, you have GOT to be kidding with that statement of “must we forget that Religion in general has caused more deaths than any other cause in the existence of the earth?” Are you even IN reality? What about Poppa Doc-Pol Pot-Shek-Jong-Stalin-Castro-Vietnam-China and Japan unification wars-European Unification wars where different countries tried to force others to unite under THEIR rulership-Arab Jihads against each other and themselves-Italy’s Blood debts-Tribal wars in Africa and South America…are you trying to say that ALL of this did not kill more in human history then anything else?

    Really Brigs? You say “Show you one species that has evolved from another…HUMANS!!!It isn’t called the theory of evolution by academics any longer…it’s accepted as fact.” Accepted by WHO? In the Smithsonian Museum they have a nice golden chunk of metal that was found in a Tenn coal mine. The age of the coal was listed by all tests as 2.2 million years old. The problem? is that this metal was MACHINED!!! Now according to you evolutionists, Mankind did not even leave Africa till 100,000 years ago..so who made this metal? In California in 1978 they dug a mine in the northern part of the state, and at UCLA they have the results. They dug down a good mile into the earth and came upon a chamber that had HUMAN remains in it. The only problem was that the chamber had only one way in and that was the way they came through seemless rock and the dating on the rocks showed to be over 2 million years old..so who where these people?

    All of you who pray at the Church of Evolution have just had your whole arguments shot to he!! and destroyed without much sweat. How can you believe in something you cannot defend with any degree of the facts?

81. Been There
    October 14th, 2008 | 16:21

    Great discussion guys and one can tell that a great deal of emotion is being flung on both sides. Intelligent Design was a creation of an ultra right Christian think tank that understood attempting to push for the teaching of Creationism in American schools’ science curriculum could not fly. The court case presided over by a judge appointed by Pres Bush himself could not win for ID proponents the right to force ID into the classroom. According to the ruling of the court it was ‘Bad Science’ with no basis of support. The reason why ID is not taught in mainstream North American schools is because the theory of Intelligent Design has no corroborative evidence. Persons who believe in and push for ID do so out of faith and to further a right wing religious agenda. They want the rest of us to believe in it too, ( or might we just end up in hell? ).
    As for evolutionary theory more fossils of more species are being discovered regularly. Gaps in the evolutionary tree are being filled. Can an advocate of ID point to a single instance of a discovery that actually supports their side? If there is a God He must be laughing.

82. uncommon sense
    October 14th, 2008 | 16:32

    To all the people claiming this is a parody:

    I know it’s painful, but please pull your heads out of the sand. This crap is real. These people actually believe what they say they do. These guys were dead serious when they made this. This is not an intentional parody. “No Intelligence Allowed” was supposed to be a shot at the education system, not themselves. Yes, these people really are that stupid.

    Also, don’t feed the trolls or the idiots, children.

83. QuadrupelQ
    October 14th, 2008 | 18:29

    FAITH is why people kill other people, blow them up, behead them, rape them, enslave them…

    FAITH is for people who don’t dare to think for themselves, who can’t handle the fact that YOU and nobody else is responsible for your acts…

    FAITH is a danger to our societies, because it disables common sense and thus makes people dangerous drones for anybody who knows how to push the right buttons…

    Keep being ignorent, believe in ID, praise the lord and blame others who don’t for your troubles. Too bad that you won’t see life after death because there isn’t any. And no amount of FAITH will change that.

    Sad, sad people…

84. BenD
    October 14th, 2008 | 20:12

    HEY, COMMON PEOPLE. STOP HATING, START PARTICIPATING.

    I MEAN… PUT SOME SUB’S HERE GOD DAMN IT…

85. common sense
    October 14th, 2008 | 22:01

    @83 states “As for evolutionary theory more fossils of more species are being discovered regularly. Gaps in the evolutionary tree are being filled. Can an advocate of ID point to a single instance of a discovery that actually supports their side? If there is a God He must be laughing.”

    On that we agree, but this ‘God’ is laughing at you. I mean who really believes that you can take three teeth and a thigh bone and then tell me what the whole bloody animal looked like? ONly a fool or a very ignorant person can make that statement that they can, so which are you?

    Uncommon sense, you said ““No Intelligence Allowed” was supposed to be a shot at the education system, not themselves. Yes, these people really are that stupid. Also, don’t feed the trolls or the idiots, children.”

    Ok UC, if your point is fact, then prove it. Show me even ONE animal that has evolved into another and stay away from selective breeding. If it is fact as you try to imply this should be extremely easy for you. But I wont hold my breath as you cannot even do this simple task. Better posters then you tried to use the peppermill moth of England as proof, till it was shwon that they were two different species. Or how bout these “fatual” (snort sarcasm intended) proofs of your religion of evolution. 1.Piltdown man: Found in a gravel pit in Sussex England in 1912, this fossil was considered by some sources to be the second most important fossil proving the evolution of man—until it was found to be a complete forgery 41 years later. The skull was found to be of modern age. The fragments had been chemically stained to give the appearance of age, and the teeth had been filed down! 2.Nebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.
    3. Java man: Initially discovered by Dutchman Eugene Dubois in 1891, all that was found of this claimed originator of humans was a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. The femur was found 50 feet away from the original skullcap a full year later. For almost 30 years Dubois downplayed the Wadjak skulls (two undoubtedly human skulls found very close to his “missing link”). (source: Hank Hanegraaff, The Face That Demonstrates The Farce Of Evolution, [Word Publishing, Nashville, 1998], pp.50-52) 4.Orce man: Found in the southern Spanish town of Orce in 1982, and hailed as the oldest fossilized human remains ever found in Europe. One year later officials admitted the skull fragment was not human but probably came from a 4 month old donkey. Scientists had said the skull belonged to a 17 year old man who lived 900,000 to 1.6 million years ago, and even had very detail drawings done to represent what he would have looked like. (source: “Skull fragment may not be human”, Knoxville News-Sentinel, 1983) 5.Neanderthal: Still synonymous with brutishness, the first Neanderthal remains were found in France in 1908. Considered to be ignorant, ape-like, stooped and knuckle-dragging, much of the evidence now suggests that Neanderthal was just as human as us, and his stooped appearance was because of arthritis and rickets. Neanderthals are now recognized as skilled hunters, believers in an after-life, and even skilled surgeons, as seen in one skeleton whose withered right arm had been amputated above the elbow. (source: “Upgrading Neanderthal Man”, Time Magazine, May 17, 1971, Vol. 97, No. 20)
    or how bout these so called evolutionary proofs? The theory of embryonic recapitulation asserts that the human fetus goes through various stages of its evolutionary history as it develops. Ernst Haeckel proposed this theory in the late 1860’s, promoting Darwin’s theory of evolution in Germany. He made detailed drawings of the embryonic development of eight different embryos in three stages of development, to bolster his claim. His work was hailed as a great development in the understanding of human evolution. A few years later his drawings were shown to have been fabricated, and the data manufactured. He blamed the artist for the discrepancies, without admitting that he was the artist. (source: Russell Grigg, “Fraud Rediscovered”, Creation, Vol. 20, No. 2, pp.49-51) or The most recent and perhaps the most infamous evolution frauds was committed in China and published in 1999 in the journal National Geographic 196:98-107, November 1999. Dinosaur bones were put together with the bones of a newer species of bird and they tried to pass it off as a very important new evolutionary intermediate. “Feathers For T-Rex?”, Christopher P. Sloan, National Geographic Magazine, Vol. 196, No. 5, November, 1999, pp.99,100,105 Interesting Quote - “National Geographic has reached an all-time low for engaging in sensationalistic, unsubstantiated, tabloid journalism” Storrs L. Olson, Smithsonian Institution. or Brontosaurus: One of the best known dinosaurs in books and museums for the past hundred years, brontosaurus never really existed. The dinosaur’s skeleton was found with the head missing. To complete it, a skull found three or four miles away was added. No one knew this for years. The body actually belonged to a species of Diplodocus and the head was from an Apatosaurus. (source: Paul S. Taylor, The Great Dinosaur Mystery , [Chariot Victor Publishing, 1989], pp.12-13) or finally The retraction by the prestigious National Geographic magazine of its claim to have presented “a true missing link” connecting dinosaur evolution to birds has been welcomed by the head of the Seventh-day Adventist Church’s Geoscience Research Institute.

    In its November 1999 issue, National Geographic claimed that a fossil recovered from China portrayed an “Archaeoraptor,” a kind of “feathered dinosaur” that supposedly linked dinosaurs to birds in an evolutionary series. A panel of experts convened by the magazine after doubts were raised concluded on April 6 that the fossil was a composite of two different animals. After a brief “correction” in its March issue, the magazine has said it will be publishing a report in the Fall on the contentious issue.

    “This situation does illustrate the benefits of being cautious in rushing to conclusions,” comments Dr. James Gibson, head of the Loma Linda-based Geoscience Research Institute. “There’s a danger in presuming, and it’s easy to see what you expect to see.”

    The investigating panel concluded that the feathered dinosaur fossil had not received independent scientific corroboration, as would be expected for such a find and before making any claims.
    “There’s a lesson here for creationists as well as evolutionists,” says Gibson. “You have to look at the evidence, and you need to suspend judgment until you know the whole story. You shouldn’t be rushing to conclusions, and not everything that is published is proved to be correct over time.”

    So here is proof that evolution does not exist as fact and only as theory, how sad for you who worship at the alter of this repudiated and disgraced train of thought.

86. brookman
    October 14th, 2008 | 22:34

    i have just watched the movie. it’s utter crap!

    @87 “common sense”: please stop trolling, it’s obvious that you just want to offend people with your postings.

87. RangeRover
    October 14th, 2008 | 23:20

    I wish I could believe in Religion and God. All of the cute and comforting ideas would be so much better than accepting the science and proof all around us.
    It would be a beautiful thing if I could swallow a potion that would knock 50 I.Q. points off and I could be simple minded enough to truly believe that we are the chosen creatures of a supreme being that is sitting atop his cloud just waiting to embrace us, and bask us in his eternal glow - his love will warm us through the eternity we get to spend in blissful happiness (unlike the reality of the short time we have)
    That would be great to actually believe. I envy ignorant religious nuts

88. Mcoont
    October 15th, 2008 | 01:44

    Common Sense has gone too far. We can’t help him. Too set in with his old beliefs. Religious fanatic. I wonder how many trillions of people are in heaven and hell, the clouds should be quite low. I wonder how people know what both places look like.

89. enoch
    October 15th, 2008 | 04:04

    Based upon most of the responses here, I am leaning towards it being a scientific fact that many of you did, indeed, come from Primordial mud. And, BTW, there is no “mother nature”: never was, never will be.

90. common sense
    October 15th, 2008 | 05:44

    i have just watched the movie. it’s utter crap!

    *thats only because your mind is as closed as a cement block dweeb*

    @87 “common sense”: please stop trolling, it’s obvious that you just want to offend people with your postings.

    *since when is telling the truth now to be considered trolling? Or are you that insecure in your beliefs that you wont even debate them? So now when I destroy your arguments, instead of trying to debate, you accuse people of “trolling”. Well when you cannot win, the last resort of people on the loosing side of the argument is to start calling names, and your post is case in point.*
    —————–
    #
    Mcoont
    October 15th, 2008 | 01:44

    Common Sense has gone too far. We can’t help him. Too set in with his old beliefs. Religious fanatic. I wonder how many trillions of people are in heaven and hell, the clouds should be quite low. I wonder how people know what both places look like.

    And you are a total dumbarse. You assume that I have a religion and yet in my responses I have never stated that I do have one nor gave the impression of same. So like the one above, instead of trying to debate, you start making false assumptions and start calling names.

    As I told the last moron that did not read my post, I DO NOT say there is a God as I CANNOT prove same. Just like you CANNOT state that evolution is fact as YOU CANNOT prove same. In all the idiotic “evolution is fact cause we say so” posts not ONE of you has given even one animal that has evolved into another, most of you would try and say dogs or such but that is selective breeding and NOT evolution.

    So c’mon you high priests of evolution, if this is a fact either man up and show one animal that has evolved into another, or stop flapping your gums as you are creating a draft and not saying anything. Or in language you can understand..either prove it as fact or shut it…your choice. Seems you get a tad “touchy” when your religion of evolution is shown to be a sham by better people then you could ever hope to be in 1000 lifetimes. I have given you fact that this is a theory, unlike you with name calling and nothing to back up your statements but hot air. Its time to put up or shut up.

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92. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:26

    #43 common sense (October 13th, 2008 | 20:20):

    | For all you haters, prove that evolution exists. Show me
    | one species that has evolved into another..name me one
    | time that an ape has had a human baby, or human that has
    | an ape child.

    Your understanding of evolution is unfortunately rather poor. The evidence you ask for is in fact a straw man. Evolutionary theory does not state that one species suddenly gives birth to another existing species. It doesn’t even state that one species suddenly gives birth to a completely new species. Evolution is a slow and gradual process.

    If you want evidence of evolution (science does not deal with “proof”), pick up a book on the subject and educate yourself. One good example is ERVs, Endogenous Retroviruses. They are located in the exact same place in the genome in several completely different species. This “just happens” to coincide with their relationship in the evolutionary tree. The only possible explanation is that they share a common ancestor.

    | Even Darwin stated that he could not prove that evolution
    | existed, that it was a theory as it could not be proved.

    Darwin did not state that, but you don’t “prove” scientific theories. You gather data and see if the theory matches all known data. 150 years later, evolution is still supported by all facts and contradicted by none.

    | And just remember, dogs changing is not evolution nor is
    | domesticating cows, that is called selective breeding

    Actually, domestic selective breeding uses the same concept as natural selection does in nature: Life changes over time. What changes survive is determined by the environment, or the breeder.

93. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:30

    #45 Neil (October 13th, 2008 | 21:09)

    # There is no prove for Evolution… That’s why it’s called a
    # ‘theory’.. There is no scientist that presents this as a
    # fact!

    You are incorrect:

    1. All known facts support evolution.

    2. A theory is the ultimate goal of science. Theories are models that explain all known facts, are contradicted by none, and that have practical applications. “Just a theory” is nonsense. Theories are what make science useful:

    http://www.notjustatheory.com/

    3. Evolution is both a theory and a fact. The theory is the explanation of the facts. That life changes over time is an observed fact.

94. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:34

    #50 Copeyboy (October 13th, 2008 | 22:21)

    # instead of attacking someone who asks you to offer some
    # sort of “proof” that the evolutionary theory is correct,
    # why not attempt to do so?

    I guess the reason for the hostility is that people are gobsmacked that someone can be ignorant of evolution in 2008.

    Are you seriously saying that you don’t know of any evidence of evolution?

    # evolution is a theory and cannot be proven. Most would
    # say the same thing about religion. How are they
    # different?

    Science does not deal with proof, only with evidence. And all evidence supports evolution. Science and religion are different because science deals with empirical evidence, while religion is blind faith.

    # You believe in your theory, I’ll believe in mine.

    Except religion is not the same as a scientific theory. A scientific theory incorporates all known facts and explains them all. It is based on actual empirical evidence.

    Religion is not even a hypothesis. It is wild speculation.

    # The only proof scientists offer for evolution is
    # empirical. Well, this is the same proof I can offer for
    # religion.

    No. There is no empirical evidence for religion. For the evidence to be valid, it needs to be independently verifiable. All scientific evidence is independently verifiable. Claims like “I felt God in my heart” is not.

95. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:37

    #51 jesus? (October 13th, 2008 | 22:23)

    # You could say we all evolved from micro organisms, but
    # the real truth of the matter is that something created
    # those micro organisms that were in tern created by the
    # big bang.

    Microorganisms were not created by the big bang. The first form of life arose long after the big bang. If you want to educate yourself, pick up a book on the subject, or check out sites like these:

    http://www.exploringorigins.org/

    # And by the way, since matter can not be created nor
    # destroyed, then how did the matter that created the big
    # bang come into existance?

    Why are you assuming that it did?

    We don’t know what happened before the Big Bang.

    But how is this relevant to evolution?

96. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:42

    #53 Hello Lemmings (October 13th, 2008 | 22:52)

    # he is Jewish.. why are you bringing up Jesus when the
    # guy obviously doesn’t believe in Jesus..

    Many jews believe in Jesus. They aren’t part of Judaism, but “JEW” is the description of a people as well as a religion. Ben Stein is obviously a christian.

    # and Intelligent Design has just as much scientific
    # evidence to back it up as evolution.

    It does not. In fact, well known ID representative Paul Nelson actually admitted this:

    “Easily the biggest challenge facing the ID community is to develop a full-fledged theory of biological design. We don’t have such a theory right now, and that’s a problem. Without a theory, it’s very hard to know where to direct your research focus.”

    # Both evolution and the big bang theory are theories
    # which means they have yet to be proven.

    Your knowledge is lacking. First of all, science deals with evidence, not proof. Secondly, “just a theory” is a huge misunderstanding:

    http://www.notjustatheory.com/

    “In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It’s a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations. It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It’s as close to proven as anything in science can be.”

    # Darwin himself said that his theories came straight out
    # of a science fiction dream he had

    He did not.

    # and they are finding major flaws in all of his research.

    Darwin was wrong about some things yes. But that was 150 years ago. Darwin is just about irrelevant these days. Science has progressed a lot since then.

97. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:45

    #60 Johnny Be Goode (October 14th, 2008 | 00:36)

    # Show me a Scientist who has followed the Scientific
    # method of the Big Bang. Hasn’t been observed nor
    # measured.

    It has. Just because you are ignorant of the research doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Might I suggest educating yourself?

    # Nor has Macroevolution.

    False. This, too, has been verified. You may be ignorant about it, but that’s a different story.

    # Both the creationist view and the evolution view have
    # major flaws.

    There is a lot we don’t know about life on earth, but comparing that to religion (creationism) is silly. Evolution is supported by all known facts and contradicted by none. Creationism is just “God did it”.

98. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:48

    #72 bbrain (October 14th, 2008 | 04:27)

    # wow, such hatred for God, if u are an atheist let it be..
    # but if u hate God then u are something else.. admit it.

    Someone who doesn’t believe in God can’t hate God.

    However, a lot of people hate dishonest propaganda pieces like Expelled, which try to force their religion on other people through lies and deception.

99. snakedog
    October 16th, 2008 | 11:54

    #71 good times (October 14th, 2008 | 04:21)

    # Unless YOU are doing ALL the research, historical data
    # points, carbon dating, dig sites, etc. (a truly
    # impossible task for any one person), your opinion is
    # based on nothing more than faith.

    This is not correct.

    Science has proven to consistently work. That means that it is entirely rational to accept scientific consensus.

    Accepting scientific consensus is not “faith”. Accepting scientific consensus is a good thing to do because so far, scientific consensus has been shown to be very useful indeed.

100. snakedog
     October 16th, 2008 | 11:58

     #73 Wah (October 14th, 2008 | 04:28)

     # science answers questions about how things work and what
     # things are through the assumption-centered hypothesis
     # which teaches that an unobservable principle is
     # responsible for speciation and order through random
     # alterations

     This is incorrect. A hypothesis is merely the first step towards becoming a theory (the ultimate goal of science). Evolution is a full-fledged scientific theory based on actual observations:

     http://www.notjustatheory.com/

     “In everyday use, theory means a guess or a hunch, something that maybe needs proof. In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It’s a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations. It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It’s as close to proven as anything in science can be.”

     Also, evolution is not just “random alterations”. You seem to have forgotten about natural selection. Or were you ignorant of it?

     # but in the end, it’ll be just a theory.

     Not JUST a theory. TRIUMPHANTLY a theory. Theories are what make science useful!

     # We often fail to acknowledge that there are forces at
     # work beyond our understanding so to be a good scientist,
     # we must have a respectful awe for the laws of nature.

     No, you are getting it wrong again. The whole REASON science exists is that we don’t know stuff. Science is about figuring it out!

     If we knew everything, science would not exist.

     To be a good scientist, you must be able to admit that we don’t know, and be curious enough to try to figure it out instead of resorting to “God did it”.

     # Science, like government, has to learn what it’s good at
     # and what it’s bad at. When it doesn’t have a good enough
     # edge — say, when a scientist doesn’t have nearly enough
     # information — it should just admit that it doesn’t have
     # a solution and move on.

     You are getting it wrong AGAIN!

     When a scientist doesn’t have enough information he DOES admit that! And he keeps looking for information. THIS IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS!

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