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Biblical scholar Rachel Havrelock is a MythBuster in her own right, dispelling popular beliefs about Christianity. The University of Illinois at Chicago professor traveled to the Holy Land to co-host the Discovery Channel documentary “Who Was Jesus?”
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yeah the documentaries are a good addition to the site.
yes we do mind what webhost you use. hotfile takes several hours to download one show, where it would only take minutes from MU or MS.
Yep, Jesus was just an ordinary person of which tales were greatly exaggerated over time, like any mythical story. Many people have had elaborate tales written about them in history, Jesus isn't the only one who people have seen as a God. Back in those days not much was known about the world and how things work, and thus tales would be constructed from that which they could not understand, or merely stories being changed from ear to ear.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
– Stephen Roberts
@#3
If you use a download manager (like IDM) you'll get much faster speeds. (Works on the free download with no problems)
I get speeds between 600k and 1.5mb
@5: Yeah I just found that out today too.
If your using Firefox, just install this add-on:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/201
Has download link integration, so when you click a download link and the window pops open to ask you what you wanna do, you can choose DownThemAll! and it will manage the download and accelerate it. Plus if something happens to your connection, you can resume it again after.
Yes I mind! RS plz
@5, 6
Flashgot extension is far easier and more compatible with download managers. Block select and press ctrl+F2 and you're sorted
look at my last post for those RS links…#2
lol….
@4, you are an idiOt, as is n e 1 who believes that Jesus was just as man. If U believe Jesus was just a man, I a bridge for sale. It will take take you to the middle of the Atlantic, non-stop without boat or plane.
Geez, Athiests claim to be intelligent. I see no evidence of this.
MU links please
Dear Dax
The belief that Jesus was just a man is actually the more intelligent position because in the history of man, men have always been men and not gods. Billions upon billions of men. The shear numbers are against the idea than Jesus was any different. We do not believe Jesus was man, we know. You are the one that believes and yet you do not have a shred of proof that he was more than man. You are the dumba$$ dax, not atheists
@ dax I take it you are are a theist well …. I'm going to need for the first 3/4 of your stupid rant to make sense. Here's a thought use correct spelling. I don't see much evidence for Jesus being much more than a man if he actually existed. If you've seen no evidence of him being nothing more than a man what rock have you been living under?
I'm an atheist but I'm actually interested in watching this but the only reason I hate posts like this is people turn sh-t like this into religious and/or philosophical debated and it turns into like 100 posts of crap and maybe 2 links posted throughout and they go nowhere because people will turn off their laptops or macs or pcs with the same beliefs as before they came to this thread.
consider the earth travels at 67,000, miles per hour
and it goes on the same routh around the sun and notting
has ever gone wrong, dont you think that is proof, i could
go on
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Lol I implore you to go on but while you're at it post some rapidshare links thanks.
These were out over a week ago… bit slow …
A couple of mins to d/l each.
P2P = lame, sneakernet is faster sometimes …
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Just a thought…
if I was an "athesist" or "didn't accept or believe in the existence of" let's say a car – wouldn't I have to acknowledge that it exists first before I could NOT believe in it??? Just a little logic …
@thisisgod:
No, that's called GRAVITY dipsh*t. The larger the mass of an object, the stronger it's gravitational pull.
SUCKED IN ;P
i got this last week, damn you are slow
@ 18 Kakkoi
Well kakoi WHO makes the gravity possible?! Neither the magnetic field can be seen but people know that magnetic field exists neither the wind can't be touched or seen but exists. Its like saying that a virus attack happened on the web and releaselog was created by itself, i can see your post but i cant see u, does this mean that u dont exist!? U can see GOD's creatures but it will come the day when u will meet GOD to but be prepared for that or else i dont wanna tell u what will happen 2 u
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1.What is wrong with debating Jesus? people debate democratic vs. republican Obama vs. Alex Jones bio terrorism vs. natural evolving diseases and so on and so on but tell one feminist, homosexual liberal or atheist god exists and you become unintelligent. that in its self is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. i believe in a higher power but respect your right to not believe and also find intelligence in atheist people.
2. most of today's world religions have documented jesus as a prophet yet his religion documents none of these then atheist or anti Jewish – christian cultures wrote in aww about miracles he preformed.
3. if i told you so called intellectual people theirs proof in goldfish that god doesn't exist and sounded smart enough saying you would probably by it
You ALL don't exist then – you are just imagined
if god is love then how come 90% of the wars in the world are caused by religion?
jesus was a fairy story,just like bhudda,ganesh,mohammed et al,build a bridge and get over it
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This is ridiculous. We have no proof Jesus was anything but a man or if he even existed. We can prove the magnetic field in our orbit and things postulated on by scientists that arent provable arent stated as fact. Stating Jesus was anything but a child born to a woman lieing to her husband about sleeping with another man by saying that she became "immaculately" pregnant how is that provable?
Maybe this whole thing stems from a misunderstanding and it was just really clean sex?
one more thing the lady that made this documentary is feminist and Jewish. Sigmund Freud a Jew Einstein a Jew and so on and so on. a group of people denying there own culture and a group of individuals dumb enough to follow
@17: "if I was an "athesist" or "didn't accept or believe in the existence of" let's say a car – wouldn't I have to acknowledge that it exists first before I could NOT believe in it??? Just a little logic …"
Sorry, but that's not logical. Because to acknowledge something is to believe it's true. Not believing in something means there's no reason to acknowledge it.
@21 TheMusliM: The wind can't be seen? Are you kidding me? The wind is the movement of thw atmosphere. The atmosphere is made up of many different gases, which can be seen with different equipment and compressed into liquids which can be seen with the naked eye.
Well Muslim, Who makes God possible? lol. Poof, your argument is dead. And sure, we can't see gravity yet. But at least were working on it, not sitting on our asses and saying "God makes gravity!". That's a cop out, and we would never advance our technology if everyone took that attitude.
Particle accelerators such as the LHC are what were using to figuring out what exactly gravity is.
26. Chelmsley
B.C – A.D
you phucking idiot
how do you base your time periods off a man that didn't exist
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Kakoi is there any number before 0 ZERO the answer is NO, so GOD is ZERO in this case. And keep working hard with your asses:D and tell us how did we get here
, till then i will beleive in GOD 
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For any of those who do not believe in God or JC, you will have all your questions answered after you die. Good luck making a stand then. It is either an understanding you have now or simply pride is too big an obstacle in your life.
Jesus was not a god. Jesus IS YahWeh. He isnt a god, He is the God. Fyi, there is historical evidence to this fact. It is called the bible. I find it very interesting that the bible, and it has been proven to be as old as 6,000 years by the scientific community, contains 66 books, with 45 different authors, written over a period of 6,000 years and each of those 66 books talk about the same man, Jesus. I guess that is just coincidence.
It is ignorance to believe otherwise to Jesus being GOD/MAN.
@dax
Only the new testamen speaks about Jesus. There is a big difference between Jesus and God. Get you facts straight.
Sorry ment
New Testament
@32:
Yeah I can tell your not a very deep thinker.. And that analogy doesn't work at all.
Firstly, saying God is 0 would mean that you saying he doesn't exist
. Because 0 is a number meaning nothing.
Second, How is a magical intelligent being who can create anything he wants and existed before everything else, more logical than merely the Universe being the first thing that existed, or was around forever. Hmm?
I believe in science, and as such i am well aware of the limitations of my human mind, i cannot begin to comprehend the complex workings of the universe and as such cannot be arrogent in my limited human intelect to dismiss the possibility of a creater.
and for that reason the idea of a man born the son of god who asked for no riches who helped people and spread the messege of love not hate peace not war and was executed for doing these things, and even then he forgave us our sins. and after 2 thousand years his messege and teachings lives on as a foundation along with the ten commandments that the majority of this world lives by.
I have lived long enough in this world to know there are positive and negative forces at work. through the countless wars of man the the lives that have been lost through acts of evil and greed there's also the good side of us that makes us fight back with a determination of whats right ( WWII for instance ). i am not blind i know the tragedy in this world the poverty in 3rd world countrys and killings of people.. but it is this gods doing or mans.. imagine what would happen if the world shared.. sure we proberly wouldnt be no way near how well off we are now in terms of wealth.. but we would all be able to enjoy the fruits of the land and maybe be happier.. i would love to explain myself more but it is getting late and im quite tired.
some will say i am delusional or misinformed i would say i am open minded, faithfull, and an optimist
Jesus didnt give up on man and neither will I.
@35,
Hello, There is no difference between Jesus and God, because Jesus is God, John 1:1, John 1:14.
Fyi, have you ever read Psalms or Isaiah? Each book of the old testament speaks volumes about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Fyi, you may not accept it now, but you will. I do hope you accept it before it is to late for you. There will come a time, Philipians 2:6-11, that you will bow before Him and call Him Lord and God.
@Dax I have read the pasages they still do not state that Jesus is God. Besides In Exodus when the 10 Commandments were created number 1 says: You shall have no other gods before me. Jesus may be the son of God but it does not make him God. So he should not be worshipped as such. Besides if you look at history there are many religions like the egptians that had the same phophecy of their saviour being born Dec 25th and having all the same traits and this was thousands of years before christianity. At the time of Jesus there were 3 others preaching the same messages. However it became Christianity because his disciples supposedly witness him rise from the dead. Giving him the miracle aspect. Making him seem divine.
- Jesus was very common name during the time.
- Christianity is ripoff from the Egyptians & Horus' tale.
Horus' tale was written in history!
1. Horus born of a virgin. <> Jesus born of a virgin.
2. The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. <> Jesus was fostered by Joseph.
3. Horus was of royal descent. <> Jesus was of royal descent.
4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. <> Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.
5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. <> The birth of Jesus announced by angels.
6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. <> Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.
7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. <> Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.
8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. <> Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.
9. Horus had 12 followers. <> Jesus had 12 disciples.
10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. <> Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.
11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] <> Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus – the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.
12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. <> The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.
13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified.
14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified with two thieves.
15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. <> Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].
16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. <> Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.
17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. <> The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.
18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” <> Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”
LoL@32, clearly you have never heard of negative numbers. Obviously such a concept escapes the feeble grasps of your tiny, tiny imagination. Feel free to believe in god but don't insult those of us gifted with the capability to form independent and coherent thoughts in a logical and meaningful manner with your baseless and futile arguments. And for the love of GOD (oh the irony), do NOT infer that such a gift is given by your holy creator, it is simply a fortunate by-product of our comparatively advanced genealogy, such as leaves you moaning your guttural and bestial moans of confusion at the fiery lights of "heaven" that float in that unattainable eternity above us. Reach, reach and surrender for you shall be denied entrance at the Pearly Gates of oh so dubiously existential heaven on the grounds of sheer, unimaginable stupidity.
@41
Thanks for sharing… I will definitely look into those details but that is very interesting. Unlike most of the religion experts everywhere, I fully concede that I do NOT know. However, I do not frown upon those who do.
To each his own.
Some of the stuff in the bible have very striking similarities to other myths that precede it.
And Jimmy Shand, Buddha is a title that was given to a real, actual living human being. Siddhartha Guatama was his name. He was a real person. He was a prince who became a teacher. He was not a god and did not wish to be seen as one. And buddhism does make sense if you think deeply about it. It may be the only religion that doesn't have a god to worship.
The only truly "correct" intellectual view to hold in this debate is that of the agnostic.
Atheists are created from the same mold as the religious. Both categories of thought are, at their foundation, an unsubstantiated, unproven belief.
Why the above is true for the religious is obvious. Why it's true for atheists is a bit more subtle. Atheism *assumes* that, in regard to the idea of the existence of some "ultimately reality" (i.e. "god"), the absence of proof is proof in and of itself. And, obviously, this is patently flawed logic.
The notion of an "ultimate reality" means that it would be incomprehensible to the human mind. And thus its existence would be utterly impossible to prove OR disprove. Atheism chooses to completely ignore this, and by so doing is asserting an absolute, totally unsubstantiated and unproven belief that the human mind is capable of perceiving and comprehending anything and everything… because that assertion and that *faith* is the only logical way they can justify their position that the absence of proof of a god is the same as proof that there is no god.
Einstein himself had thoughts on this, and he was agnostic and not atheist for exactly these reasons I've loosely explained.
what heated argument. Jesus this or that, since Judgement is coming and the hour is already here what does one have to gain or lose by affirming his faith towards the Christ.
Should it be that during judgement it turns out that Christ was mot the redeemer of man and human kind then one has nothing at all to lose, supposedly it turns out the reverse where will the atheist or the non-believers run to????
Like Bon Marley i ask, Is there a place for the hopeless sinner……………….??????
Angels & Demons, huh? Science has already proven parts of the Bible wrong (ie flat Earth at the center of the universe). Your faith can cover things that cannot be proven, haven't been proven yet, or you just flat out refuse to believe. There is no need to come preach your religion here and no it is not a fact you can prove. The Bible is not proof nor is it a science book. To those of science, why argue logic to faith which is illogical? It makes no sense since your never going to win against a side that needs no logic or reason. Just working on your debate skills, are we?
As for me I know the truth. It is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@45 ninotores: How you described Atheism is false.
Atheism isn't an unsubstantiated, unproven belief. Because Atheism is not a BELIEF. Atheism does not have some sort of specific theory we all "believe in". Atheism is DISBELIEF. We create theories and then try to prove those theories. Once proven, they become facts, not beliefs. Such as Evolution, much to the attest of the Relgious, Evolution isn't not a religion or belief, it is a FACT.
When we're talking about the Bible (New or Old Testaments)..
Are we talking about the original documents, or one of the many, many different translations..? Or maybe the work of fiction that the Catholics came up with (the Romans going for a bit of control over the masses)
While we're at it.. The Qur'an was in old style Arabic/Syriac (A traders language). By the time they came to write it all down, no-one knew the correct translation. Hence the confusion over whether it's 72 virgins or 42 grapes (or raisins) when they get to heaven..
Odd thing.. Christianity, Judaism, the Muslim faith.. All the same God..
Atheists believe many unproven things . Not only that , but they also believe MANY things they have not studied themselves . They believe in evolution without having to become biologists and thus are breaking their own rule of only believing things they know to be true . If i ask an atheist "do you believe in dark matter?" they will either answer the typical atheist noob answer of "im not a scientists" or "yes" . i have never gotten the answer that they SHOULD give me based on their rule which would be "since dark matter is claimed to be an invisible, weightless , matter that fills the universe and is UNPROVEN at the current time, i will have to say i dont believe in it" , but since their atheistic lifestyle actually involves ALOT of blind faith , it ultimately is a "Faith" even if the definition of atheist doesnt involve faith, those that subscribe to the "atheist" understanding do believe many things that are either unproven, or that have not been verified by themselves and thus are still doing EVERYTHING they accuse religious people of doing . Every other year, the age of the earth is recalculated and in each year if you would ask an atheist if he "believed" the earth was the age the scientists of the day said it was, they would say yes, only to find out the next year that they were wrong and thus had practiced blind faith
@50: Were not breaking any rules. Maybe the so called Atheist's you've met have said that. But your generalizing based on a few supposed Atheist's. I don't "Believe" or "Disbelieve" in dark matter. I'm merely waiting for more evidence. Until then it's just a theory on a noteboard, any real Atheist's would agree with what I said.
Pretty much all your doing is making claims about the majority of Atheist's as if you've talked to most of them lol. Hardly any put "faith" in a scientific theory. Most will examine theories and decide which one they think is the most logical, but they don't have faith in a theory in the same way a religious person does in their God. They merely choose the most possible explanation until a better one comes around to invalidate it.
if jesus is the son of god then why in mathew is there a whole page dedicated to the linage of jesus all the way to king david? So why call him the son of god? On the other hand ff god was really jesus father then jesus would not be in any tribe at all and therefore not from the trbe of davids and therefore not the messiah.
I love how Christians like to tell everyone they are going to go to HELL, when their religion has helped the REAL WORLD actually go to hell through endless conflicts.
Stop making excuses. A good person doesn't need the bible to tell them what is right/wrong. They don't need a punishment or promise of a better life after death.
Make the world we ACTUALLY live in a better place and stop daydreaming of the easter bunnies return. Until we die, we all have a chance to do something to help improve this world.
So next time you worry about going to HELL, why not worry about that starving kid in Somalia. Why not worry about real problems in the real world.
Christ is not mankind's saviour. Mankind is mankind's saviour. Jesus may have been a normal person and he may have stood up for what is 'right'. If he was and if he did, then I think today's church would just make him feel sick.
We cannot say if he did excist or not.
We have no proved facts for nether arguments.
And how can we prove such things maybe Jesus was a real person maybe not.Maybe he was God maybe not.
Anyway most of us believe in Jesus mostly from our heretage or the country we were raised and live in.
Or from what our parents taught us.If they were strong believers propably we'll end up believing too, if not we can go ether way.
My point is that ether he excists or not our goal should not be to prove if he does or not but to try and make our world a better place not from fear or not because some book said so bad because we want our children to grow up in a better sociey than we did.
Aside from the predictable and pointless to and fro of "God exists" "No, he doesn't", we should be aware that the woman making this documentary is as passionately blind as any fundamentalist. She has an axe to grind and allows it to affect her scholarship, sadly.
And, @#26, the existence of Jesus is as historically verifiable as many other men whose existence you doubtless take for granted. That doesn't mean he is God and you must worship, so don;t get worried about it. When people speak of him not existing or him marrying Mary Magdalene and the like, you are out of the realm of serious scholarship and into the realm of ant-fundamentalism – just as biased and closed minded as their sworn enemies.
Q:Who was jesus?
A: A jew
@All the religious people here who don't fully understand scientific concepts like gravity, black holes, the sun, wind, etc… Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean that its automatically proof of God! Likewise just because our planet is the way it is doesn't prove anything. You are just like the ancient Egyptians who worshipped the Sun because they were confused by it.
@#55 It is of course correct that the historical existance of Jesus does not prove him a god or the son of one. Still, few people know that there is no positive proof of him ever existing. He is not mentioned in any of the many contemporary sources that exist, and there is no archeological evidence of him existing. The fact that other historical figures might also be poorly documented does not in any way constitute proof of anything more than the rather obvious fact that really old stuff can be hard to prove.
Frankly, I don't care either way if he existed or not. But the Church seems to think it is important…
I was brought up to think that Jesus was a well established historic figure, god or no-god, and I think that this is true for most people in the Western World. The FACT that there is no hard evidence to this certainly surprised me. The FACT that much of the content of the legend/myth of Jesus can be found in other myths (Mithras, Horus, et.al.) that pre-date the alleged life of Jesus by hundreds of years is also little known to most people.
OK Jesus-is-God insistent folk, enlighten this student of history with actual answers:
* If the catholic church as nothing to hide, why did they go to such extents to claim and/or destroy as many copies of the dozens of known gospels written during the first century after Jesus's birth that refer to him as a normal human being and prophet? On that matter, why the lack of answer as to why the selected Gospels were chosen while most of the others (most of them as popular during their time and referred to in later centuries) were ignored?
* Seeing how all references outside the church that were uncovered indicate that the Catholic sect was nearly deemed heretical for attempting to establish a Credo referring to Jesus as the Son of God, which had not existed beforehand, If the Catholic church has nothing to hide, why do they not publish historical documentations (which they've claimed in years past to have) of what really happened at the Nicean councils?
@ 57:casey
There is a huge difference, because I can actually SEE and feel the sun! And maybe it's just me, but seeing something helps me to believe in its existence and compared to some other gods I could mention, the sun DOES have quite a big influence on our daily lives.
Man, I love the sun!
no one said it better then the late george – you gotta love him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo
@37:
So u would rather underestimate the word god as a mythical being like Zeus? So All you guys have been thinking when the word god is written or heard of these stupid creature like zeus and snotty monsters. God is not like that. God is magical and mysterious. God is powerful. God can exist by himself out of nothing. Thats why it is god. If he cant exist out of nothing i would call it a 'Bumbo'.
More logical u say..ehh!!.. U think its more logical it to be magical universe that was created magically (it goes all the way to black whole and gases and magical big bang) then rather being made by magical being using logic..If it is not logically created how can u find theories, facts and how can there be studies and science? Wouldnt there be something illogical like there.. like why is there mangoes, bananas and apples,etc.. if it were just made by some stupid gas? Did the gas know that people will exist and they would want different type of food and conditions? Did the gas know we need air and gravity? Is the universe really created without any logic at all? For now I cant accept it.
jesus was a good magician, like derren brown or paul daniels, nothing more.
@62
Ignorance is indeed bliss.
1) You assume the universe had an origin and you assume that it requires a creator. If, "God can exist by himself out of nothing." then the universe can as well.
2) I would consider adhering to the laws of physics to be logical rather than using magic.
3) Mangoes, bananas and apples were not created by gas.
4) Mangoes, bananas and apples were not created for humans.
5) Air and gravity were not created for humans.
6) Our surroundings were not created for us, we evolved to fit and adapt to the environment.
7) The universe follows a set of laws and you follow a lack of logical and critical thinking.
Get some perspective.
"Biblical scholar Rachel Havrelock is a MythBuster in her own right, dispelling popular beliefs about Christianity."
Ever yand each time they make a controversial movie about Chriastianity and Jesus the movie maker HAS TO BE JEW.
The JEW RACHEL keep manipulating again against christianity. And you people wonder why all the world hate you.
Keep up like this , gather rage , and you might see another holocaust. Or stop it and let's live all together happy.
the streets; Alleged Legends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNVONAeENo
@65
Ignorance is indeed bliss. I return this to you.
1. Magical and all powerful universe vs magical being. I leave this to the person's choice.
2. So if a real magician made duck out of material X and clay. You would believe that the duck was made because there is a mixture of clay and material X and ignore the fact that the material X and clay were mixed by the magician? Is this what u r telling?
3 & 4. not created. just created accidentally.. (MY BAD) Not for humans for all living things. Air and gravity not for humans but for all living things that cant live without it. So who made this logical analysis that these things cant live or exist without them. So this accident is the world's most magical or wonder that have ever happened. Almost like a miracle from god. dont ya think?
6. So you are saying every living thing can adapt any condition and surrounding. If not why this kind surrounding was made? Or are u saying we creatures are magical that we adapted?
7. Its your opinion. Thanks for making me realise that I lack logic and critical thinking
I have taken into account your perspective and came to the same conclusion which I had with my perspective. Thanks!
I agree with TheMuslim those complex things like eyes can never exist with some puny little accidents and without a logical being behind it. This universe is a system. and systems don't just come out of accidents. If you believe they can then you should pay more attention to your life. Does the laundry get done itself? Does food come into your fridge itself? Nothing does. So if nothing around you doesnt work or just happens it is MORE logical to accept the universe doest just happened itself.
Uh, Yeah i cant be arsed to read all this.
Could someone PLEASE post netload and/or megashare links plz?
Thanks in advance.
…anyway…
Thanks to MDMA for rs links !
I am a very tolerant person but when it comes to religion …
I guess most people are just plain dumb.
I think i speak for all when i say…
"STFU… and post some links"
God is a control mechanism concept used throughout history and still in use today.
If you think Jesus – a supernatural man (allegedly) – suddenly, randomly appears at year 0, ur a dumbass.
If you think the Jewish God randomly appeared in BC 5000? ish, your a dumbass.
Caesar, Pharaohs, Greek warriors, Xeaxes etc etc well all allegedly gods. and then people woke up, and over time they became myth. Jesus/god/allah will all follow the same line.
WAKE THE F!_!CK UP
can we cut out the debates and instead have more links please……..thks
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What was that about the Bible being 6,000 yrs. old? Huh?
Hard to debate with someone who says I will be doomed to eternal torture if I don't agree with them. The threat of torture may get a person to agree to anything. Not very useful in a true debate. I have faith in many things. I have faith that the sun will rise again because I have experienced it. I find it harder to have faith in a God who is kind, loving and watches out for us, when I look at the horrors that exist in life. I know, "I just don't get it." My failing? It is hard to "get it" when I see a child being raped, cut up and left like garbage by a madman or somesuch other atrocity that has occured. It belies my experience of a loving protector existing for the innocent and those "blessed" with faith in Him.
darkeyes909
your right Christians shouldn't try to lead people by threat of death and destruction
the rest about god loves but he lets us die is a childish argument the most atheist person knows the story of how we were created with free will it doesn't befit the topic man destroys god creates if god said we all had to love him it would be a pointless endeavor. faith is in us one way or another denial or acceptance is regardless of the fact god, marriage, paycheck, government, and on and on.
me
I don't believe you can support your statement calling it childish. I also feel it is name calling. Not an effective nor kind debate style. You state, "man destroys god creates." How do you know this? Like faith, it is based on opinion only. Unless there are facts, it is opinion.
I interpret your stand to be that a child raped and tortured is at the effect of a choice God gave us. That does not fall within my definition of a kind, loving benefactor. If a parent stood by and watched this happen to their child, what would our opinion be of that parent. It infer you are saying that God "the father" is above protecting the innocent. Again, that is not a God I can have blind faith in. I am not saying I don't believe in something more than we can see in this world. Just that it is very, very hard to accept it when preached as almost unfailingly unkind and devisive dogma.
If it reflected the love and kindness that is claims to represent I would be more inclined to put my faith in it at least as a way to guide my life.
@68
Oh boy….
(1) Life cannot emerge by chance…
Besides that this has nothing to do with evolution, I shall refute it. On the primordial Earth with an abundance of raw materials, billions of chemical reactions are occurring over billions of years. In such a time frame, your 1 in 10950 figure is extremely high.
(2) There is not a single intermediate fossil…
Every fossil is an transitional fossil. Every life form is a transition between another. Although, for your sake, I will list some fossil that fit to your definition of transitional; Archaeopteryx, Pedopenna, Equus, Australopithecus, Ichthyostega.
(3) “Living fossils” are a response to evolutionary myths…
Darwin himself explains living fossils in the Origin of Species. Living fossils have endured to this day, as they inhabited a confined area, resulting in less competition.
(4) The unimaginable information in DNA…
This isn't even an argument. DNA didn't form by mere chance. Billions of reactions over billions of year on the primordial Earth formed DNA. Then over millions of years of evolution, DNA progressed to what it is today.
(5) Organs with irreducible complexity…
This has been heavily refuted. Prior to becoming an eye, the individual pieces each had their own independent action.
(6) All the variety of life on Earth appeared suddenly 530 million years ago…
There are many possible explains for the Cambrian explosion.
After billions of years of photosynthesis, the amount of Oxygen in the atmosphere drastically increased. The increased oxygen allowed life to grow quicker as they were no longer limited due to Oxygen starved tissue.
(7) Reptiles are not the ancestors of birds…
The Archaeopteryx had many reptilian features that are no longer found in birds. The sternum is small and flat rather than then massive ridged sternum of modern birds. They had an unfused semi-lunate carpal, which is only found in dinosaurs and early birds like the Archaeopteryx.
(8) Fish did not move onto the land…
There are many other species which point to the transition from fish to amphibians. Such as the Tiktaalik roseae, which reveals a fin – limb transition, or it's skeletal system, which would support movement on land.
(9) Mutations cannot form new species…
Mutations can insert and delete information. Radiation and chemical effects is only one of the causes. The more common cause of mutation is error during replication in which the DNA polymerase misses it. The changes to the genes can cause a change to a specific part of an animal. Natural selection then takes care of the rest, depending if it increases or decreases it's survivability.
(10) Natural selection cannot lead to evolution…
You do not understand mutations or natural selection. A mutation must first occur to physiology of the Zebra to allow it to run faster. If running faster is beneficial to the species, it will survive and the old Zebra species will not.
(11) Human beings did not evolve, but were created as human beings…
A species can live along side it's ancestor. Evolution happens to populations, not entire species.
(12) All the fossil skulls proposed for the supposed evolution of man are false…
This made absolutely no sense.
(13) The history of evolution is full of fraud…
Oh yes, and creationists have such a tidy record.
(14) Darwinists have sought a solution in hiding the fossil record, which did not reveal a single intermediate fossil…
The name of the parrot fossil would be useful. Even if the fossil record was put aside, the genetic evidence supporting evolution is abundant, such as ERVs.
(15) The complexity of the cell comes as a lethal blow to Darwin’s theory of evolution…
The early cells and modern cells are significantly different. Early cells were much less complex. Cells had millions of years to evolve and fine tune until they are what they are today.
(16) The Darwinist claim of vestigial organs is a deception…
Vestigial organs are organs which lost their entire, OR original function. The appendix was used for digesting large amounts of cellulose, while now it just has a role in the immune system. What "discoveries" discard junk DNA?
(17) The fact that we only have experience of an image of matter totally demolishes Darwinist philosophy…
The "soul" has no evidence supporting it's existence, while the brain is able to account for everything.
@65
1. No magic, just the laws of physics.
2. Uh? I would say "real magicians" don't exist and ducks don't magically appear. I do not see the relevance of this to my point.
3 & 4. Nothing was created accidentally. It followed the laws of physics and chemical reactions took place. Air and gravity were NOT created for life. These conditions were just favorable for life to develop. Nothing or nobody decided what conditions Earth needs to have for life to develop.
6. Uh? The reason for our surroundings is that the natural laws guided it to what it is. Life changed and adapted to take advantage of the surroundings.
7. Your welcome
I can only hope you will reanalyze your understanding of the universe.
The above is actually @69
@70
Does the laundry consist of self replicating molecules? No, laundry is just fabric consisting of non replicating matter.
darkeyes909
hats cool enough for me and i didn't say i believe what all others posted here i follow only a text which i don't use as propaganda nor rhetoric it states most thing very plainly and as for the nice god theory it says I'm a jealous god, ten things god hates, i am a angry god, the wages of sin are death (sin so called negative choice), and it says that god even smote a man because he pulled out when he was done f@ckin and split his seed so the bible makes no claims god is a passive sweetheart or nice god only that he is a loving god
the childish statement is based on the extreme point you made and if you truly believe a parent won't idly sit by and view there child's destruction you probably don't know any crack heads.
but on any note i respect what you have to say
I believe 'they'(scientist's) carbon dated the cloth the so called Jesus was wrapped up in and it was from only about 1200 years ago. That's what I heard. Personally I believe in science rather than faith/magic/miracles/he said-she said. I cannot believe in something with so many different opinions(catholic/muslim/and so on) and way too many stupid answers. I realize there are many interpretations of the story, but let's get serious. Why when you talk to God it's called Praying, but when he answers you you're called CRAZY???????
No more apples for me!
I love all these so-called atheists who first start off by saying "There is no God" and not giving anyone proof of this statement other then their own beliefs, and then when called to question their statements, they tuck their tails twix their legs and state "I'm an atheist but I'm actually interested in watching this but the only reason I hate posts like this is people turn sh-t like this into religious and/or philosophical debated" Well go back and look at the posts and see who actually started this mess and you will see that it was one of the so-called atheists. In short, you started this mess and then are complaining ABOUT the mess you started.
Why cant you just admit that the people who believe in a divine being are doing it on faith, just like the people who say there isnt a divine being as neither of you have concrete proof of your statements.
As for the idiot @24, you seriously need a refresher course in History dweeb, as religion has not caused more wars, it is the simple hatred of your fellow man, be it because of belongings or skin color or something as simple as the difference in eye shape. And till you cure that, there will always be wars and morons like you who cannot see the reason for same.
@85, you are partially correct, the "shroud" was originally dated 1200 years, BUT they retested it because of contamination of the original tests and found pollen and seedlings that date exactly back to the same years that Christ was supposed to have lived and to the same area that he was supposed to have lived in.
And I am still waiting for someone Atheist to tell me what caused the Big Bang if everything in the Universe was condensed into that small area. I mean why didnt it go "bang" before? Or had it? And if everything in the Universe was condensed into that one small item, then where did the item come from that caused it stop being condensed and to explode? Neither the Atheists NOR evolutionists NOR science has answered that question, and until they do then the belief in a divine being makes just as much sense as anything they state.
Me
I didn't say you believed what others said.
Didn't say I didn't believe a parent would sit idly by. I said what would your opinion be of that parent or a God that did the same. How is that an extreme point of view?
Just something to think about:
Ancient Mesopotamia, Sumerian religion: their stories where written long time before the bible existed, my personal opinion is that if i have to believe something i will believe the oldest one.
darkeyes909
ok i guess it's not so extreme
and i'm not sure i was taught and raised by tough love and i some what gave my opinion and in a minor way agree with you but still chose that god as my god
nice another info_entertainment…looks like advertising without any based knowledge:-)
@sal
The Qur'an has nothing to do with the syriac language(other then both being semitical languages), there is no liturgical impact whatsoever(like with Christians in Turkey), and the Qur'and doesn't state a number of virgins anywhere, that's just some westernized stereotypical view of what Islam is trying to preach.
There is nog god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.
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