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British police allowed to hack into private PCs

The power of anti piracy organizations is constantly growing and latest news from Great Britain sounds somehow scary: The Home Office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people’s personal computers without a warrant. The move, which follows a decision by the European Union’s council of ministers in Brussels, has angered civil liberties groups and opposition MPs. They described it as a sinister extension of the surveillance state which drives “a coach and horses” through privacy laws. The hacking is known as “remote searching”. It allows police or MI5 officers who may be hundreds of miles away to examine covertly the hard drive of someone’s PC at his home, office or hotel room. Material gathered in this way includes the content of all e-mails, web-browsing habits and instant messaging.


Under the Brussels edict, police across the EU have been given the green light to expand the implementation of a rarely used power involving warrantless intrusive surveillance of private property. The strategy will allow French, German and other EU forces to ask British officers to hack into someone’s UK computer and pass over any material gleaned. A remote search can be granted if a senior officer says he “believes” that it is “proportionate” and necessary to prevent or detect serious crime — defined as any offence attracting a jail sentence of more than three years. The authorities could break into a suspect’s home or office and insert a “key-logging” device into an individual’s computer. This would collect and, if necessary, transmit details of all the suspect’s keystrokes. The Home Office said it was working with other EU states to develop details of the proposals.

Source: The Times

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  1. Shoa
    January 6th, 2009 | 03:02

    All I can say is the police cannot hack if they have to break in to your home to install a trojan/keylogger.
    Tthis is not hacking this is just plain installing a server and them using a client to connect to it ot the server sends info to a server and put in a database.

    If they were to truely hack you computer they would be there for weeks on end trying to get in.

    I have 2 routers and then a software firewall they would spend weeks breaking in to the first router then weeks months breaking in to the second router.

    But they do it the easy way and come round your house and just install it now I never knew that was hacking myself.

    And for those linux guys a shell script could be put on the harddrive and take over your server beleave it or not but linux can get a virus and it can have trojans and keyloggers they are not a special super computer that does not need antivirus.

    The guy with the tin hat comment just had to laugh hard because I was thinking the same thing.

  2. jaybee3
    January 6th, 2009 | 03:56

    Echelon's been running for years and doesn't that monitor all digital throughput?

    Has anyone actually tried a bruteforce hack? Even on highend servers it takes FOREVER!

    Lesson to be learned hear is to always keep a supermagnet nearby or an ion cannon (think they were doing research at a UK Uni on it to completely fry your computer).

    Happy Browsing peeps

  3. f@de
    January 6th, 2009 | 04:56

    Glad I'm not running Windows ^.^

  4. bla
    January 6th, 2009 | 06:24

    "Glad I'm not running Windows ^.^"

    This has less to do with the OS your running… ;)

    Here in germany they have the right to hack anybodies pc since more than a year now… :(

  5. Wah
    January 6th, 2009 | 06:25

    This is news from Europe.

    I'm from America so I don't care.

    Big whoop.

  6. VoMiT
    January 6th, 2009 | 06:51

    This is crap. Why would they do this when there are other methods of obtaining this information! They can already get this from your ISP or even sit outside and crack into your WiFi network. Sounds like a lot of rubbish to me.

  7. theking
    January 6th, 2009 | 06:55

    am on a mac. all sensitive data is encrypted they cant hack me.
    if i want to download sensitive stuffs i use a payas you go sim card. with a second hand mobile phone. connect to a mac book/ when done reset web browser. them write 000 to the empty bit of hardrive

  8. lapax
    January 6th, 2009 | 07:08

    Its like giving them permission to search peoples houses without any warrant or permission.

  9. Kranz
    January 6th, 2009 | 07:43

    As long as we don't use Norton we're good i think

    Chase piracy and let those rapist, murderer, robbers and terrorist walk in the park

    That's smart
    Way to go Britain!

  10. AN FO U
    January 6th, 2009 | 07:57

    The fact OTHER COUNTRIES can AND WILL ask for this kind of "help" from UK is the thing that worries me the most. I mean, this kind of legislation overrules ALL the laws about privacy if an EU country has them, as there is no more need for police to ask permission to do electronic surveillance AND as the thing is extented over the EU area.

    This is wrong.

  11. mtt
    January 6th, 2009 | 08:07

    Don't forget, all these relatively small changes are 'salami tactics':
    If you can't create total surveillance in a day, take small
    steps and scare people enough to make them want it (terrorists, sex offenders, .. : noticed how they are blown out of proportion in the media?).

    Thanks to the European Union, if anyone were to corrupt the
    politicians sitting in Brussels, they could overrule national
    law! No matter how sophisticated the law in your (european) home country is! Bulgaria recently skipped this though.

    Don't take this too lightly. What seems impossible today
    might become reality tomorrow. Since the media don't cover
    this enough (ever heard about this on TV / newspaper?),
    most people won't notice what's going on or even WHY it is wrong! Try asking your parents, teachers what they think of it and why they think it won't be 1984 soon (the book ;) !

  12. best protection
    January 6th, 2009 | 08:57

    I can never get hacked since I am using windows 2000. It doesn't even need a firewall or antivirus program. I have been using it like this for like 7 years. I sometimes get a lot of pop ups and computer slow sometimes but i know it is because my internet connection is kinda slow. i even still use Internet Explorer 4.1. I do not even need windows updates for my computer it is so secure. guys learn do what i do and you will never get hacked.

  13. papa bear
    January 6th, 2009 | 11:09

    scary news !!

    geeez soon we'll even be scared to even plug in webcams on our PCs as the "POLICE" might secretly use it to watch us -_-'

  14. Me of There
    January 6th, 2009 | 11:09

    Lol we have Chairman Rudd in Australia censoring the internet, we are joining great countries like China, North Korea, Myanamar and other great civil libetarian nations! Geez thanks you pinko commy!

  15. sam
    January 6th, 2009 | 11:18

    #95, RE #92.

    I only read Factual information, nothing from Media or an 'interpretation' from a no-body. Rules can be found of many GOV websites, read understand before commenting on my undersized penut brain!

  16. Downloader
    January 6th, 2009 | 11:33

    @80

    Hope ur home gets blown up filthy racist

  17. BlueJay
    January 6th, 2009 | 12:16

    @116 Very intelligent comment. You should be very proud of that one.

  18. Lincoln
    January 6th, 2009 | 13:21

    This coming from a site that has so many malicious scripts embedded in its pages that try and infect your computer, redirect you, talk to you in the most annoying way. How the hell can you stand there and condemn an article when you guys do the same thing day to day. In other words makes you a hipocrite

  19. orange
    January 6th, 2009 | 14:01

    ok lets see….

    Brother Muhammad,
    Praise be to Allah! The ammonium nitrate arrived safely for the farm.
    Pleased to receive your notes about the power of the nuclear plant.
    Death to Israel.

    PS. The elephant walks at dawn (on the 13th).

    there we go, that should do it, Echelon should pick that up nicely ;)

  20. orange
    January 6th, 2009 | 14:04

    Spam the government spys
    this was the clever idea of a guy called Alberto, his site was shut down pretty quick but here´s the cached version:

    http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:lW1Vb1c8L4cJ:www.damnthe.com/news/echelon_espionage_terrorism/+The+Terrorist+Chatter+Engine&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

  21. nli
    January 6th, 2009 | 14:18

    It's always been rumored that the NSA had M$ put a backdoor into XP and vista. At one point someone had identified part or some files in XP related to that though I forget the details. I wouldn't be surprised if Linux distributions had the same requirement.

  22. common sense
    January 6th, 2009 | 14:20

    Isnt it funny that some know nothing morons tried to blast the US for this when even here in the US we DONT charge people for driving tino the big cities like they do in London and other area. WE DONT place camera's on every fricking street corner and spy on you 24/7. Nor do we spy on you every day of your life since Pre WW2 like they did in Socialistic Countries like Italy and Germany and still do to this day. It's a major hoot when you whiners in Europe want to attack America at every chance and now you find your countries are much worse then the place you were attacking.. Let someone prove it works and just how fricking long do you think it will be before the European Unon demands ALL memers do this? Free Countries? BS!! You are just a few steps away from having a government like Cuba or China. Welcome to reality that by your 'cradle to grave Government protected lifestyle' that you all crow about being so great, have allowed to come into existance in your country…maybe you should have just taken the blue pill and then you would not be bothered by such facts as the reality you created with your "gimee gimee, cause I deserve it" life.

  23. Hmmmm
    January 6th, 2009 | 14:20

    NWO is no conspiracy …… every little step to take away people's privacy around the world is a way to eventually control you.

  24. James
    January 6th, 2009 | 14:43

    All of this "security" is really just another reason to get into the minds of people who oppose the NWO. Since the UK have spent hundereds of millions on surviellance, crimes have been on the up and not only that, they do little nothing to prevent serious crimes in the first place. It's just another spy program – wake up and look around!

    I'm leaving this country because of it. What's next, surveillance drones that are allowed to fly into your house? TVs with spy-cameras hidden inside them? They've for many years been tapping everyones phone lines and now they're allowed to watch our network traffic – something the internet community has always stood firmly against. and NOW they're allowed to hack people's PCs?

    How grotesque that people stand for it.

  25. me
    January 6th, 2009 | 14:44

    common sense – your posts have none =p

    get your historical and actual facts right … oh and since english is your 1st language, you should at least be able to use "than" and "then" correctly ;)

  26. Hoohim
    January 6th, 2009 | 15:04

    I doubt these powers are to be used for catching little Timmy downloading the latest stargate atlantis episode, but will be used for the benifit of anti-terrorism bods and the serious crime squad. Don't know about you guys but I sleep a lot better knowing these guys are on the case looking out for me. It's sad, but indictive of the world we now found ourselves in. If you're not one of the bad guys, then sleep soundly. If you are one of the bad guys then unlucky – they're coming to get you.

    Puts me in the mood for a bit of leeching (along with the other several million users out there)!

  27. marktd
    January 6th, 2009 | 15:10

    almost as stupid as the UK governments proposal last week to work with america to give a movie style ratings system to every page on the internet :D
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7800846.stm

  28. NewFisher
    January 6th, 2009 | 15:41

    @45 the BBC is just a propaganda tool for our glorious leaders that are NuLabour, so don't believe anything from the BBC!

    This is just another example of how our civil liberties and our freedom is being raped by a bunch of unelected europrats…

  29. anomynous
    January 6th, 2009 | 15:54

    the FBI is looking to hire a lot of computer experts… the US might be following http://biz.yahoo.com/cnnm/090106/010509_fbi_hiring.html?.v=2

  30. Liberty
    January 6th, 2009 | 16:33

    1) Ken White of the NSA (National Security Agency) an U.S. government agency best known for eavesdropping on telephone calls had a hand in the development of the Windows Vista operating system. In the past, the NSA's demonstrated a historical interest in gaining "back-door" access to encrypted data produced by products from U.S. computer companies such as Microsoft. In 1999, U.S. Congressman Curt Weldon said that "high-level deal-making on access to encrypted data had taken place between the NSA and IBM and Microsoft.

  31. Liberty
    January 6th, 2009 | 16:37

    2) "A good society depends on the free availability of facts and opinions, and on the growth of vision and consciousness – the description of what individuals have actually seen and known and felt. Any restriction of the freedom of individual contribution is actually a restriction of the resources of society."

    Solution, get organized and stand up for your rights people! Otherwise, just like 1.3 billion living in mainland China, a corrupt regime (wealthy Communist Party Officials) will be determining your fate, your standards of living and very life.

    Don't allow your choice to be silenced, to be advocated away…

  32. Chilly
    January 6th, 2009 | 19:08

    AHHH… PANIC!!! HELP… PEER GUARDIAN 2… !!!

    Anyone who remotely thinks that this has in ANYWAY ANYTHING to do with people downloading movies is R3TARDED!!!!!!!

    This is a step to investigate SERIOUS crime, not grabbing High School Musical 3 from Rapidshare, get over yourselfs kids.

    Sure, this is not good… but is does NOT affect YOU!!

    And the next idiot that mentions PeerGuardian as a means of protection from ANYONE or ANYTHING on the internet needs to go back to n00b school 101…

  33. me
    January 6th, 2009 | 19:18

    Hoohim, it's people like you, who believe in badly fabricated fairy-tales which are ment to justify limiting of human rights and increasing overal surveilance, that take a large chunk of blame for all authoritarian and police states. Why? Because you don't care if your privacy and human rights are viloated … after all it's just national security and that means it's to keep you safe, right?
    (mind you – it's a rethorical question)

  34. n00b sk00l dr0p0wt
    January 6th, 2009 | 20:42

    Why are you guys so concerned?
    Some people take comfort in the authorities doing surveillence.
    If you ever were the victim of a crime the first thing you ask yourself was were were the police when it was happening.
    If breaking into PCs is an effective means of protecting the public at large then the good of the many outweigh the good of the few.
    I would gladly give up a little privacy to ensure my safety.
    Lets face it..don't you make decisions to walk down the well lit street with security cameras instead of the dark alley?
    Lighten up peoples. Its not a big deal.

  35. Kowalski
    January 6th, 2009 | 21:29

    Is no one else looking for the good in this? New job openings for people like us! YAY!

    But on a more serious note, I have to say this is quite ridiculous, what kind of criminals do they really intend to catch here? and it said they've got the permission to do this if he "Believes" there's incriminating evidence on the PC, well who's to say they won't just start searching EVERY PC and once they find something say "I really believed we'd find something on this 87 year old ladies PC"

    IMO, just as everyone's ….horse sh!t

  36. streaky
    January 6th, 2009 | 21:39

    "Copyright theft carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in the UK"

    Actually, that's criminal copyright infringement, which requires redistribution. The act of downloading stuff is not a criminal act but one that at worst would bring about a civil suit which the police shouldn't have anything to do with, ever – and if they do the police are wasting taxpayers money because it'll never go anywhere in a criminal court, and worse, will bring suits directed at them.

    And also, you're not the only ones to do this but why is the story always "British police this/that" when it's a European regulation?

    Regardless anyway, none of this will be admissible in a British court so you'll never see the police here doing this over British crimes because the risk is – or should I say, the fact is – that this sort of stuff will taint an entire evidence chain.

  37. me
    January 6th, 2009 | 22:18

    streaky:
    "Actually, that's criminal copyright infringement, which requires redistribution. The act of downloading stuff is not a criminal act"
    that's true, but only if you're really ONLY downloading (ie. those rapidshare links that spam every news) – but if you're using TORRENTS – well, this changes the whole thing! then you actually are *redistributing* copyrighted material (by uploading/sharing to other ppl) and are therefore commiting a crime as the law states

  38. nin
    January 6th, 2009 | 22:42

    it's important to do something against dictatorship

  39. Jay Hunter
    January 7th, 2009 | 01:47

    Maybe the answer is to store all your illegal movies and music on an external hard drive, and access them when you're not on the internet. This is a gross violation of privacy laws.

    But laws are made, and the internet boffins find a way (or a few ways) to break them. The internet and file-sharing will never die. Hollywood and everyone else should just embrace it.

    I have also say that piracy has it's upside – instead of waiting for a few months for a film to be released, Hollywood has stepped up it's act in releasing films on a simultaneous day to combat pirated versions. Well done, internet!

  40. SmokingMan
    January 7th, 2009 | 03:56

    @134

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    -Benjamin Franklin

  41. n00b sk00l dr0p0wt
    January 7th, 2009 | 04:08

    Well said SmokingMan.

    However, it was Thomas Jefferson, a contemporary of Benjamin Franklin who said, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

    If you lived in a war zone of terrorists, and other such miscreants, wouldn't you do all in your power to ensure your people, even if it meant something somewhat invasive?

  42. mrtorch
    January 7th, 2009 | 13:07

    Some of you are missing the point, this could only happen to you if are commiting a serious crime, that does not include downloading Pineapple Express from pirate bay!! Also it doesn't matter what computer OS you use, neither does it make a difference what anti virus software!. If the police/sis need to know what is on your computer they will break into your house and copy your hard drive!. Though you must be right nasty bastard if they need to do that. You reap what you sow.

  43. not happy
    January 7th, 2009 | 16:57

    well what can i say, ? APPART FROM F**KIN SIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATING F**KERS, !!!!
    plus i dont think firewalls etc wont make a difference, if they want to hack your pc they will no probs, jst good luck on breakin in my house !!! my dogs a sycopath lol

  44. dumb sh!ts
    January 8th, 2009 | 22:57

    dumb noob thomas jefferson was talking about watching the government, not the government watching you, read the rest of the quote.

  45. Phk
    January 10th, 2009 | 04:16

    America… F#ck YEH!
    :(

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