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		<title>By: Oladunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oladunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@74
In what way is this monopoly? In worst case it is oligopoly. Do you think you as a consumer would be better off with 2 formats?

Indeed...tell me how things turned out....we are 2 months after the end of the format war and there seems to be a conclusion already about what this outcome meant for us as consumers? First of all it is discussion about whether there has been a price increase at all(http://www.dailytech.com/Bluray+Player+Prices+NOT+Rising/article11087.htm).
Second: If it can be confirmed that there has been an increase do you think there would not have been a similar increase in HD-DVDs extremely aggresive pricing?
Third: thinking back in history about other introductions of  other formats....what in history tells us that BluRay equipment will continue to rise in price in the months and years to come?

To me most of the critics seems to be &quot;victims&quot; of the &quot;sour grapes&quot; analogy.... It&#039;s much to early to conclude about BluRay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@74<br />
In what way is this monopoly? In worst case it is oligopoly. Do you think you as a consumer would be better off with 2 formats?</p>
<p>Indeed&#8230;tell me how things turned out&#8230;.we are 2 months after the end of the format war and there seems to be a conclusion already about what this outcome meant for us as consumers? First of all it is discussion about whether there has been a price increase at all(http://www.dailytech.com/Bluray+Player+Prices+NOT+Rising/article11087.htm).<br />
Second: If it can be confirmed that there has been an increase do you think there would not have been a similar increase in HD-DVDs extremely aggresive pricing?<br />
Third: thinking back in history about other introductions of  other formats&#8230;.what in history tells us that BluRay equipment will continue to rise in price in the months and years to come?</p>
<p>To me most of the critics seems to be &#8220;victims&#8221; of the &#8220;sour grapes&#8221; analogy&#8230;. It&#8217;s much to early to conclude about BluRay.</p>
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		<title>By: Malakogamias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malakogamias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember most of you were HAPPY when the BR/HDDVD war was ended.
I remember comment comments like...
&quot;Finally&quot;
&quot;Yeah!!&quot;
&quot;Eat dust Toshiba&quot; etc. etc.

Maybe some confusion about the different formats belongs to the past, BUT SEE HOW THINGS TURNED OUT.

Monopoly is NOT Good (and I am not talking about the game)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember most of you were HAPPY when the BR/HDDVD war was ended.<br />
I remember comment comments like&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Finally&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Yeah!!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Eat dust Toshiba&#8221; etc. etc.</p>
<p>Maybe some confusion about the different formats belongs to the past, BUT SEE HOW THINGS TURNED OUT.</p>
<p>Monopoly is NOT Good (and I am not talking about the game)</p>
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		<title>By: Oladunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oladunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@72
I also have a PS3. I bought a full-hd (1080p) lcd-tv at the same time as the PS3 in addition to a good HDMI-cable. Then I got recent Bond film &quot;Casino Royale&quot; (the new one) and can say that the quality just blew me away.

After BluRay won the format war, PS3 will increase their sales because more people will see the benefit of both a gaming console and a BR-player. More PS3s means even more volume and support for BR. Increased volumes will mean cheaper production which ultimately will affect the prices to consumer in a positive way.

Whether I give my money to Sony or someone else is frankly something I couldn&#039;t care less about as long as I get the product I expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@72<br />
I also have a PS3. I bought a full-hd (1080p) lcd-tv at the same time as the PS3 in addition to a good HDMI-cable. Then I got recent Bond film &#8220;Casino Royale&#8221; (the new one) and can say that the quality just blew me away.</p>
<p>After BluRay won the format war, PS3 will increase their sales because more people will see the benefit of both a gaming console and a BR-player. More PS3s means even more volume and support for BR. Increased volumes will mean cheaper production which ultimately will affect the prices to consumer in a positive way.</p>
<p>Whether I give my money to Sony or someone else is frankly something I couldn&#8217;t care less about as long as I get the product I expect.</p>
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		<title>By: G.Oriber</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.Oriber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think blu-ray is really worth it anyway. I have a PS3 and I&#039;ve rented some blu-ray movies, but none of them blew me away the way I was expecting. I was very disappointed with the older movies I rented, but then again I don&#039;t know what I was expecting. The leap in quality from DVD to blu-ray is nothing like the leap from VHS to DVD was. Everything videogame and movie related costs way too much these days, so it&#039;s great that you can just download or rent most things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think blu-ray is really worth it anyway. I have a PS3 and I&#8217;ve rented some blu-ray movies, but none of them blew me away the way I was expecting. I was very disappointed with the older movies I rented, but then again I don&#8217;t know what I was expecting. The leap in quality from DVD to blu-ray is nothing like the leap from VHS to DVD was. Everything videogame and movie related costs way too much these days, so it&#8217;s great that you can just download or rent most things.</p>
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		<title>By: defunkt</title>
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		<dc:creator>defunkt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im laughing all the way to picking up another HDD...</description>
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		<title>By: Cromwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cromwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others, there was a time when I didn&#039;t care much about high-def. I watched DVD&#039;s on a so-so 32&quot; CRT. Then in late 2006 I saw for myself what the big deal was, and just had to upgrade. I really love my 52&quot; 1080p television and now care a great deal about HD content. So will everyone else with time. After all, older televisions are not going to last forever and pretty much every display technology sold these days is HD capable. If you&#039;ve paid for it, then why wouldn&#039;t you want to make use of it?

I also agree with several folks here that HD-DVD losing doesn&#039;t necessarily equate to a win for Blu-Ray. Personally I&#039;ve been indifferent to the format war. All that matters to me is getting all my content in HD rather than SD. I&#039;m not a big fan of optical media for a number of reasons (frailty, drive noise, etc), but would like to see at least one good HD format prevail soon, and last for longer than DVD and VHS did. At this point I don&#039;t really see much need to improve HD any further. Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD before it died) and any other 1080p technologies are more than good enough to meet the standard of high quality content for a great many years to come. More resolution would just be wasted. Same for audio, which is already at 7.1 and lossless.

I&#039;ve been reading since 2000 that digital downloads were going to take over, but I have yet to see that come 100% true. I&#039;m not sure I like the idea of DRM crippled rentals, which is what it would all end up being if we end up going that way. While I&#039;ve never been crazy about optical media, I would still rather own a disc that I can watch at any time I want, as many times as I want, with whomever I want, anywhere I want, all for a one time (hopefully reasonable) fee.

Paid downloads and VOD, being the DRM laden rentals they will inevitably be, just won&#039;t be able to guarantee the same things. On top of that, I do not relish the idea of having to sign up at lots of different sites, paying varying fees at each of those sites, and/or having to hunt high and low for the movies and shows that interest me. When I think of a digital download future, I see chaos. Hopefully I will be wrong should it finally come to pass.

I&#039;ve been saving up for a dual format HD-DVD / Blu-Ray player for a year now. I had the Samsung BD-UP5000 for a short while, but it was junk IMHO. Future support was looking increasingly flaky, and there were rumors of a replacement already in the works the same month the 5000 had been released. Now that HD-DVD is dead, dual format players are likely out of the question.

I currently own the HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox 360, even though I knew deep down that Blu-Ray would likely win. Blockbuster had chosen to rent out HD-DVD&#039;s back in early 2007, and the add-on seemed like a cheap no-brainer solution to getting HD content on my HDTV. I&#039;m now waiting for a good Blu-Ray solution to come out. I want one that can bitstream all the current audio formats via HDMI and support profile 2.0 for future-proofness, but also be able to decode all those formats internally and send them out via 7.1 analog. That way I won&#039;t need to buy a new amp seeing as mine already has 7.1 analog inputs. Sadly, all the Blu-Ray players made up until now have problems doing either (or both) of those things properly, especially when it comes to the new lossless codecs from DTS and Dolby. Properly constructed players likely won&#039;t be available until fall of this year, which sucks, but thankfully I can download 720p x264 material in the interim thanks to RLSLOG and bittorrent. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others, there was a time when I didn&#8217;t care much about high-def. I watched DVD&#8217;s on a so-so 32&#8243; CRT. Then in late 2006 I saw for myself what the big deal was, and just had to upgrade. I really love my 52&#8243; 1080p television and now care a great deal about HD content. So will everyone else with time. After all, older televisions are not going to last forever and pretty much every display technology sold these days is HD capable. If you&#8217;ve paid for it, then why wouldn&#8217;t you want to make use of it?</p>
<p>I also agree with several folks here that HD-DVD losing doesn&#8217;t necessarily equate to a win for Blu-Ray. Personally I&#8217;ve been indifferent to the format war. All that matters to me is getting all my content in HD rather than SD. I&#8217;m not a big fan of optical media for a number of reasons (frailty, drive noise, etc), but would like to see at least one good HD format prevail soon, and last for longer than DVD and VHS did. At this point I don&#8217;t really see much need to improve HD any further. Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD before it died) and any other 1080p technologies are more than good enough to meet the standard of high quality content for a great many years to come. More resolution would just be wasted. Same for audio, which is already at 7.1 and lossless.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading since 2000 that digital downloads were going to take over, but I have yet to see that come 100% true. I&#8217;m not sure I like the idea of DRM crippled rentals, which is what it would all end up being if we end up going that way. While I&#8217;ve never been crazy about optical media, I would still rather own a disc that I can watch at any time I want, as many times as I want, with whomever I want, anywhere I want, all for a one time (hopefully reasonable) fee.</p>
<p>Paid downloads and VOD, being the DRM laden rentals they will inevitably be, just won&#8217;t be able to guarantee the same things. On top of that, I do not relish the idea of having to sign up at lots of different sites, paying varying fees at each of those sites, and/or having to hunt high and low for the movies and shows that interest me. When I think of a digital download future, I see chaos. Hopefully I will be wrong should it finally come to pass.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saving up for a dual format HD-DVD / Blu-Ray player for a year now. I had the Samsung BD-UP5000 for a short while, but it was junk IMHO. Future support was looking increasingly flaky, and there were rumors of a replacement already in the works the same month the 5000 had been released. Now that HD-DVD is dead, dual format players are likely out of the question.</p>
<p>I currently own the HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox 360, even though I knew deep down that Blu-Ray would likely win. Blockbuster had chosen to rent out HD-DVD&#8217;s back in early 2007, and the add-on seemed like a cheap no-brainer solution to getting HD content on my HDTV. I&#8217;m now waiting for a good Blu-Ray solution to come out. I want one that can bitstream all the current audio formats via HDMI and support profile 2.0 for future-proofness, but also be able to decode all those formats internally and send them out via 7.1 analog. That way I won&#8217;t need to buy a new amp seeing as mine already has 7.1 analog inputs. Sadly, all the Blu-Ray players made up until now have problems doing either (or both) of those things properly, especially when it comes to the new lossless codecs from DTS and Dolby. Properly constructed players likely won&#8217;t be available until fall of this year, which sucks, but thankfully I can download 720p x264 material in the interim thanks to RLSLOG and bittorrent. <img src='http://www.rlslog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: thizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>thizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blu ray is gonna be around for about 2 years. then digital downloads and the terabyte discs will take over</description>
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		<title>By: dagger906</title>
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		<dc:creator>dagger906</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us continue to leech high definition releases from torrents. It&#039;s $400+ compared to free and whatnot...

Anyway, Sony is pushing prices up to make people buy more PS3s, which will lead them to game and buying expensive console games, and when they&#039;re addicted they&#039;ll buy Sony&#039;s next gen console when it comes out, and...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us continue to leech high definition releases from torrents. It&#8217;s $400+ compared to free and whatnot&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, Sony is pushing prices up to make people buy more PS3s, which will lead them to game and buying expensive console games, and when they&#8217;re addicted they&#8217;ll buy Sony&#8217;s next gen console when it comes out, and&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly why I have a Popcorn Hour digital streamer, screw payin for blu-ray when i can just play digital hd rips</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly why I have a Popcorn Hour digital streamer, screw payin for blu-ray when i can just play digital hd rips</p>
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		<title>By: Not Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news, HD-DVD industry admits early exit, comes back on scene and drives Blu-Ray prices rock bottom.

Conglomeration ALWAYS loses. Sheeple need to think for yourselves and BOYCOTT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news, HD-DVD industry admits early exit, comes back on scene and drives Blu-Ray prices rock bottom.</p>
<p>Conglomeration ALWAYS loses. Sheeple need to think for yourselves and BOYCOTT!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea...watch the freakin movies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea&#8230;watch the freakin movies!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the downfall of HD-DUD has also caused the increase in gas prices?? Get real people. The price increase has nothing to do with anything else except maybe the price of tea in China! To bad we can vote on articles. This one is obviously written lop-sided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the downfall of HD-DUD has also caused the increase in gas prices?? Get real people. The price increase has nothing to do with anything else except maybe the price of tea in China! To bad we can vote on articles. This one is obviously written lop-sided.</p>
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		<title>By: rrpostal</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrpostal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear last weekend I saw n internal BluRay player for $179. I was surprised so I did a double take to make sure. I thought I saw wrong and it was closeout HDDVD but it wasn&#039;t. I was hoping that meant it was going to get reasonable. I couldn&#039;t see me ever devoting that much more money to buy disks or devote WAAYYY more HD space for crisper looking bad movies. If it was a magic player that made crappy movies good somehow I&#039;d say it would be worth it. There aren&#039;t that many good movies and shows. I&#039;ve only downed a handful of HD items and it&#039;s never really been justified. IMO all this high def stuff is just like polishing a turd. Maybe I&#039;m just jealous that I don&#039;t have thousands to put into watching movies and TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear last weekend I saw n internal BluRay player for $179. I was surprised so I did a double take to make sure. I thought I saw wrong and it was closeout HDDVD but it wasn&#8217;t. I was hoping that meant it was going to get reasonable. I couldn&#8217;t see me ever devoting that much more money to buy disks or devote WAAYYY more HD space for crisper looking bad movies. If it was a magic player that made crappy movies good somehow I&#8217;d say it would be worth it. There aren&#8217;t that many good movies and shows. I&#8217;ve only downed a handful of HD items and it&#8217;s never really been justified. IMO all this high def stuff is just like polishing a turd. Maybe I&#8217;m just jealous that I don&#8217;t have thousands to put into watching movies and TV.</p>
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		<title>By: jto168</title>
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		<dc:creator>jto168</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t believe everything you read.

http://www.dailytech.com/Bluray+Player+Prices+NOT+Rising/article11087.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t believe everything you read.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailytech.com/Bluray+Player+Prices+NOT+Rising/article11087.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytech.com/Bluray+Player+Prices+NOT+Rising/article11087.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: baddab</title>
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		<dc:creator>baddab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LazyLuin:

I am not saying we are there yet, but on our way, with providers creating in dense populated areas services for telephone, internet and tv over high speed lines from 50mbit upwards, including settop standalone boxes for exact that purpose. after all, the companies will need a reason to sell new products to customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LazyLuin:</p>
<p>I am not saying we are there yet, but on our way, with providers creating in dense populated areas services for telephone, internet and tv over high speed lines from 50mbit upwards, including settop standalone boxes for exact that purpose. after all, the companies will need a reason to sell new products to customers.</p>
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