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Blu-Ray outperforms HD DVD 6 to 1

Last week, Blu-ray had its best week ever with 85% of the high-def disc market share, according to trade publication Home Media Magazine. Since the beginning of the format war, Blu-ray has been consistently outperforming HD DVD, but never at such a large rate. The second-place format was dealt a big blow a couple weeks ago when Warner Bros announced it was dropping HD DVD support, preventing the format from gaining any momentum during the Consumer Electronics Show.

Additionally, Home Media Magazine reports that the 10 top-selling HD titles last week were all Blu-ray Discs, the first time that not one HD DVD made the list. At the top of the list was Blu-ray’s 3:10 To Yuma, which sold 10 times as many discs as the HD DVD release of The Kingdom. These numbers motivated some fans of HD DVD to start a petition called “Save HD DVD” – it has collected over 13 thousand singatures so far, but I really doubt it can change anything…

Source: TG Daily

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  1. Rich
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:31

    yes, blue ray is well better than hd, can hold more on a disk too.:)

  2. crimson
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:32
  3. xtazy
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:32

    hhhahaha… gutted… bet Toshiba wish they never started it

  4. Fight Fan
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:33

    HDMI upscaler with DIVX is the way to go for now…..until we have only one HDDVD format.

  5. me
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:38

    all over red rover. toshiba should have accepted sonys offer to merge formats.

  6. john dykes
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:44

    am i the only one lacking any interest in this “format war”? has anyone checked the prices for a bluray or hddvd player or burner lately? theres nuttin mainstream abt it, just big companies trying to force technology on consumers and trying way to hard to convince consumers that you ABSOLUTELY NEED this and that tech. how many of us actually own a 46+ inch 1080p lcd tv in our bedroom?

  7. masterpl
    January 23rd, 2008 | 11:51

    My 46″ sharp aquos is actually in my living room.
    You would be surprised by how many people have full hd tv’s.
    I’m just happy that I didn’t get screwed by buying a ps3.

  8. john dykes
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:02

    @7

    yes, its true many ppl have full hd tv’s, but how many of those ppl you think actually know what 1080p, hdmi, full hd and all these fancy words mean? i’ve seen ppl connect their vhs, dvd player or pc to their hd tv and not knowing how to properly take full advantage of their HD TV (eg improper cabling, incorrect aspect ratio, wrong outputs, incorrect resolution etc.)

    i even own a 42″ which i also bought with my lame ass ps3

  9. nobody
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:15

    go to death, hddvd, and dont come back! you’re useless.

    The petition is just a big joke, the arguments are nonsense.
    On point 7: “… is permanently written on the disc thus making any copies of any BD impossible!”
    If i can watch a movie, i can copy it, point.

    bye bye hddvd, nobody will miss you! (except those poor souls who buyd hddvd players and discs, muahahahaha)

  10. nobody's twin
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:23

    @nobody:

    and i will be laughing at you when in five years or less your blu-ray is useless because everyone is downloading high-def movies. did i will? let the laughing begin now, moron!

  11. nobody
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:31

    @11: who said i’ll buy bluray’s?
    There’s a HD-RIP section on the right side of this page…

    but _if_ i want to watch a bought hd-something, my ps3 can do it! :P

  12. The Governator
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:38

    Nobody will care about any of this in ten years. By then, everyone will download their movies straight to their pcs or even their tv sets, and will then burn them to disc.

    Kinda what happens now but on a larger scale.

  13. dfhdfhd
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:40

    HDDVD is more consumer-friendly.
    And Sony says no to porn? – so HDDVD is not dead yet.

  14. john dykes
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:43

    exactly folks, so don’t fall for the hype! screw both formats

  15. whoever
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:43

    @10: but it might take several years till you actually can copy it. of course, there have been attempts at capturing the output but come one, that’s lame

  16. Cremo
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:45

    i own a 32″ and 42″ hd tv and im really happy wit it. i even work on that 32″ every day (3d – not gambling ;) ) . it aint even full hd, but since i only watch 480p and 720p it doesnt matter at all. from the beginning of ‘the format war’ it was obvious that it wouldnt last longer than 1-2 years till blueray takes upper hand. im still waiting till toshiba reunites with the rest after it got owned badly ;)

  17. The Guy
    January 23rd, 2008 | 12:55

    Give up the petition, HD-DVD lost, its over, let it die alone in the corner, by itself…

  18. njxs
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:16

    when was the last time anyone even purchased a disk?? buying some hd streaming gear makes more sense

  19. Adolf
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:23

    will any blu ray fanbois say why they support sony’s ass with real points, not just fanboyance?

  20. insertclevername
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:39

    Why would you make a petition to continue the stupid format war?
    The only reason HD DVD players are that cheap is because they are gonna be useless by years end.

  21. random
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:46

    Sure, Blueray has more sales world wide whilst Americas $ is low meaning the money matters less than it would have 10 years ago.
    Media coverage is firmly pro blueray and format wars are good for noone.
    All ps3′s come with blue-ray, which has virtually already won in Japan. Sony are selling there PS3 for a bigger loss than Microsoft, good for the consumer, Microsoft is evil, the x360 hd-dvd drive is supposed to be rather poor.
    PC users will prefer blueray (bigger is better) and the current price means nothing because 3 years ago dvd-dl drives were the same.
    Blueray had 14 major hardware manufacures supporing it whilst HD-dvd has 6,

  22. random
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:51

    Oh yeah and the obvious you dont see companies switching to hd-dvd.
    This might be wrong as I read it somewhere else but.

    HD-DVD only has the exclusive support of:
    Viacom (including Paramount, Dreamworks)
    Universal
    This amounts to a fraction of the overall number of movie releases available on the market.
    So potentially more blueray realese, once other producers follow suit.
    Petitions are generally lame and a sign of weakness

  23. random
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:52

    NPD numbers are in for the first two weeks on January for standalone set-top players and Blu-ray Disc has squashed the competition with a 92.5/7.5 split the week ending 12th January. To show how immediate this change occurred, the previous week (ending 5th January) was 51/49 in Blu’s favor.

    This does NOT include the Playstation 3 or the Xbox360 add-on.

  24. Linton
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:53

    @14

    Sony has backed pron with bluray now, it made a big fuss about releasing ‘pirates’ on the format.
    It never had a problem with pron, just the factories that produced the discs for the industry. :)

  25. misteryman
    January 23rd, 2008 | 13:58

    @ #8

    i personally think that u shouldnt use this as a point as to why blu-ray is bad because firstly im sure eventualy they will work out how to remove this protection and even if they dont there will have to be copies without this protection otherwise what will dvd rental shops do they rent out to numerous different people….

    im not saying that blu-ray is better than hddvd because at the end of the day most people here like dont really care we just want blu-ray to win because we have ps3

  26. insertclevername
    January 23rd, 2008 | 14:01

    @11
    Im pretty sure in 5 years everyone won’t be downloading if you mean illegally and if you mean legally then I’ll never do it.
    Im gonna have to have a proprietary apple tv type device to play the DRM protected HD files…..which would also pretty much destroy downloading as we know it since nobody will sell or rent you unprotected HD files.
    I want to be able to lend a movie to a friend..or give as a gift because it has an actual case if Im gonna pay for it.
    Maybe 10 years but definetly not 5. Not until there is a universal HD drm and different brand direct HD players that all adhere to one standard. Plus I want to be able to watch my movie on as many different players as I want so there would have to be a flash type dump drive for HDD HD media players to be better than disc media for me.

  27. anon
    January 23rd, 2008 | 14:17

    lol @ those ignorant enough to think that ISPs will ever accept streaming of high-def movies… considering US isps have only just started metering download usage and will soon start having quota packages similar to australian isps, you really think a 4-6gig high def movie is going to be acceptable usage?

  28. pvt. joker
    January 23rd, 2008 | 14:59

    this is AMAZING news…I would have thought it would have been the opposite after every major (and minor) website and publication ran the headline “HD DVD is dead!”

  29. nobody
    January 23rd, 2008 | 15:02

    @28: of course they will. They have more than enough bandwith, and selling movies over internet means $$$$ and lots of customers, canceling their tv/cable to get more expensive internet pipes.

  30. insertclevername
    January 23rd, 2008 | 15:05

    @30
    They can’t cancel cable!
    What about HD news, sports, movies from the cable/satellite providers?

  31. y3gzi
    January 23rd, 2008 | 15:05

    Bye, Bye HDDVD. Do us a favour and quit now, cause I want Transfromers on Blu-Ray!!!!!

  32. ulrejaz
    January 23rd, 2008 | 15:09

    Momentum is on the side of Blu-Ray, SONY = Smart, selling PS3 at a loss = saturation of market with Blu-Ray players, more people supporting Blu-Ray which in turn they will recover the initial loss, Only possible way Toshiba can save the format, ULTRA cheap HD-DVD players , burners and discs…… which could be too little too late……

  33. zangeef
    January 23rd, 2008 | 15:21

    @27

    you’re an idiot. apple tv will play highdef DRM’d movies and there are plenty of players out there that will play non DRM’d files. i’m crapping on your words right now, so in five years when you eat them you got a nice taste in your mouth.

  34. indianpunk
    January 23rd, 2008 | 15:51

    at the end of the day downloadable content is gonna win it and sony and hd dvd can both sit and lick each others u know what but until then let the dual players rule LG and SAMSUNG FTW

    and anyways its hell i care abt who wins i am sold on hd-bits and PC

  35. random
    January 23rd, 2008 | 16:15

    blueray will be old by the time isp can support downloadable high def films.

  36. captainkremmen
    January 23rd, 2008 | 16:29

    Yes HD-DVD was probably the most consumer friendly of the two but the petition just smacks of desperation. Unfortunately Toshiba walked away from a hybrid compromise format a couple of years ago because the members on both sides preferred most of the features of Blu-Ray. Basically the hybrid would have been Blu-Ray with a few HD-DVD bits tacked on. Can’t remember the link but there was quite a good technical paper on it and the reasons behind it, linked from the BBC news website a couple of years ago.

    Blu-Ray rentals are already available from my local movie rental place. Blu-ray rips are already appearing on torrent sites. BD+ has already been cracked by some commercial apps (AnydvdHD for example), and you can buy multi-region Blu-Ray players online already. Fact is DRM or copy protection on movies is here to stay but it is always only a matter of time before it gets cracked and so will almost any other system they implement.

    Maybe in the US and Japan HD downloads will be the main delivery format of high def content, but not in the UK and most other countries. Broadband in the UK is a bit of a joke, even with the so called 8 or 16Mb speeds most people rarely get more than 2-5Mb, and rarely more than 1Mb in rural areas. No one company is willing to spend the billions needed to upgrade the infrastructure and neither will the government. Besides, no matter what the download fanboys say, there is something to be said for having a physical medium like a disc, with printed covers and booklets and special features. Most DRM’d legal downloads cannot be burned to disc to watch on a set top player in another room away from the computer or in most cases you get only the movie for either the same price, or just a little less than a disc with extras and everything else.

    I agree with the poster on the point of ISPs accepting streaming high def content. Almost all ISPs in the UK already cap downloads, it ranges from 2Gb per month with the cheaper BT packages up to about 40Gb per month with AOL for the same price as the basic BT package. They don’t charge extra for exceeding this but they do cut speeds and use traffic shaping once the limit is reached. ISPs in the UK have already complained about the impact downloads and streaming from BBC, Channel 4 and ITV are having on their networks and some have even said they expect consumers to pay more and the TV companies to help fund their infrastructure upgrades.

    Thankfully we don’t yet have the Australian model but with it starting to happen in the US the UK will soon follow. If many ISPs take this route it could kill off commercial streaming high definition via the web before it really takes hold anyway.

  37. MissingLink
    January 23rd, 2008 | 16:33

    @weiler

    Not all “pirates” prefer BD. The ones who bought an XBOX first bought HD-DVDs, people with PS3 bought BDs to play. And ppl who have both, usually bought the cheaper version, if there were no other rls differences.

    Thus you don’t have to write down all the cons of BD and all the pros of HD-DVD. I think most ppl here know the advantages and drawbacks of their respective format.

    There is a huge reason, why I’m on the PS3 train and why BD will win long term. As dfhdfhd wrote: “HDDVD is more consumer-friendly.” No user prohibitions, no RC’s and the BD undoubtedly has the better copy protection. At least the industry thinks so. Many reasons for the lobbies to kick the HD-DVD out of this game. I have learned the lesson.

    I bought the Video2000 system – the far worse VHS won.
    I took the DVD-Audio trail – the SACD won. (And is still more like a death rattle.)

    The HD-DVD faction also made a terrible mistake in the very beginning. Not to emphasize the points, that really matter. You could read everywhere how much more space the BD had, but none of the drawbacks. So everybody thought – ok, they’re all same, only the BD has more space for fantastic stuff on it. Now, that HD-DVD is finally dying these infos drip out and land in the heads of the consumers. But it’s far too late by now.

    So, thank you – but no, thank you. I’m with BD all the way, with all its consumer unfriendly drawbacks.

  38. Marty
    January 23rd, 2008 | 17:23

    Agree with #36. All this format war crap will only make a small percentage of the market in the end.

    We only have to look back at the 2 other major formats of past, CD & DVD. Both still exist but both don’t play as major of a role in commercial media any longer. Well they DO, but no more protection of such media types are pursued as much as they used to.

    HD streaming IS the future and all these companies need to do to take a foot-hold on pirates, is to offer High Definition Quality Movie downloads for a $1 each and you will see the whole pirate world crumble.

    I would gladly pay for every High Quality HD movie download if it didn’t cost an arm and a leg for a flimsy plastic disk.

  39. nameless
    January 23rd, 2008 | 17:31

    Long live HD-DVD! The region protection in the BlueRay/DVDs is the most annoying and useless thing ever designed only to irritate the consumer and make his life miserable!

  40. insertclevername
    January 23rd, 2008 | 18:59

    @35

    No you need to learn how to read. I said there will be NEVER be non-drm legal downloads. I don’t want to use a proprietary device that won’t let me transfer movies to other players….

    As for plenty of players that play non-drm HD show me at least ONE standalone divx player that will play .mkv? or even HD divx for that matter!!
    All they do is upscale…

  41. music
    January 23rd, 2008 | 19:27

    hd dvd its kinda like the dreamcast; good but lost

    gg

  42. Peter
    January 23rd, 2008 | 19:35

    I just wish this format war would end, I own both formats. I still use BR for 99% of my movies.

  43. al bundy
    January 24th, 2008 | 00:42

    #8, you might wanna check out the hdrip section. You might notice that bd ripping is possible. so is trolling.

  44. Peter Parker
    January 24th, 2008 | 01:37

    @41

    Although region media is what the consumer wants, the film studios do not and are not happy with it. That is just one reason why Disney (as an example) is with Blu-ray.

    @38

    Toshiba demanded that Sony (at the other companies) use M$’s HDi over JAVA from Sun Microsystems. Sony (and the other companies) told Toshiba that this wasn’t going to happen. Toshiba then left the project and created a new format with M$ and several other companies.

    @various others

    Streaming media will take it’s time to become popular but you’re having a laugh if you think that it will be cheap, at least within the next 5 years anyway. More and more ISP’s are starting to cap users bandwidth or charge users differently (I assume that you all read and understood this article: http://www.rlslog.net/time-warner-to-bill-internet-per-download/)

    This will probably become permanent because they can make more money providing the same service and they hope that this will slow down the network congestion by this small percentage of users.

    Some good news for the UK : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7202396.stm but this won’t be completed until 2010. BT are doing their own residential test but they say it will take about 12 years to reach 10,000 homes.

    We have yet to see how much they will charge for this 100Mbps service.

    So for the next 10 or so years, purchased physical media will still be the way that legitimate people choose to have their film collections.

    @8 point 4

    HD DVD can only read up to 10 layers due to limitations in the hardware specification (fact). The largest possible HD DVD can hold 170GB @ 17GB per layer. Blu-ray on the other hand is 250GB @ 25GB per layer blowing HD DVD out of the water.

    Another reason why HD DVD will fail is that you cannot use it as a storage medium because you cannot buy a HD DVD writer (yet). Toshiba are too late in the game. This war will be decided by what’s available for the consumer and the movie houses. Larger movie library for Blu-ray do to the massive studio backing. Blu-ray writers are available to purchase now. Blu-ray will win.

    If you think I’m a fanboy, fine, I don’t care. What you cannot deny is that everything written here is true.

  45. Peter Parker
    January 24th, 2008 | 01:38

    The 1st line should have read region free media (damn me for not proof reading).

  46. mammothman
    January 24th, 2008 | 03:38

    @ 6 (john dykes), I bought a Sony Blue Ray Burner for $199can at A&B sound. Mind you I sold it and made some nice cash. Oh and I have a 55″ :D

  47. Mr^Bullet
    January 24th, 2008 | 07:39

    i ordered a ps3 40 gig so i’ll be choosing the Blu-Ray

  48. Rekrul
    January 24th, 2008 | 11:44

    Can anyone shed some light on the second part of point #7? It claims that Blu-Ray movies have to be registered on a particular player. This would mean that either each disc has a unique code on it, or that the player burns a unique code on it the first time it’s played. I did a couple quick searches and didn’t find any mention of this on any of the FAQs I looked at.

    True or paranoid myth?

  49. nitrosdaez
    January 24th, 2008 | 12:27

    The only thing I care about is how much can the disc hold? In this case blu-ray wins with 25 GB’s a side.

  50. Peter Parker
    January 24th, 2008 | 15:35

    @50

    That poster (weiler) is smoking crack, probably with Amy Winehouse. The entire post is full of half truths, false and old information.

    Points 4 & 5 have some relevance although there are NO plans to use the 51GB HD DVD disc for movies at this point in time and there probably never will be and most of the movie studio’s don’t like the region free idea (stated in my previous post).

    The link in point 8 is also a year old and no longer relevant as Sony didn’t block porn from coming out on Blu-ray. This is a very different stance to the one it had in the days of Betamax vs VHS.

    Point 7 is laughable “you can’t rent BD’s”. I almost wet myself reading that.

  51. Ted
    January 24th, 2008 | 19:09

    And another reason I bought a PS3!! WOOT!

  52. whoever
    January 25th, 2008 | 21:40

    > #8, you might wanna check out the hdrip section. You might notice > that bd ripping is possible. so is trolling.

    yeah those that aren’t protected with BD+ but there are already a lot of BD+ protected BluRays out there that cannot be ripped and a lot will follow. please, before you spread false information, educate yourself next time.

  53. Jeff
    January 26th, 2008 | 13:35

    There’s a reason why you don’t see a single Simpsons or the Die Hard movies x264 rip anywhere online. It’s because of the f#cking BluRay BD+ protection. Every single person on this site should be rooting for HD DVD, the customer friendly HD format.

  54. PermaFrost
    January 27th, 2008 | 09:11

    Well I for one don’t intend to purchase either one of these formats for some time to come. Let the 1st&2nd gen suckers foot the bill for the cheaper versions to follow. And Jeff, the reason you don’t see a single rip in x264 of those movies is because they suck donkey balls.

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