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Australia also considers to adopt antipiracy laws

Posted on 17.02.2008 at 22:10 in Tech News by Martin

The Australian Government will examine new legislative proposals being unveiled in Britain this week to target people who download films and music illegally. Internet service providers (ISPs) there might be legally required to take action against users who access pirated material. The music industry estimates 1 billion songs were traded illegally by Australians last year. Under the three-strikes policy, a warning would be first issued to offenders who illegally share files using peer-to-peer technology to access music, TV shows and movies free of charge. The second strike would lead to the offender’s internet access being suspended; the third would cancel the offender’s internet access.

The policy would mirror legislation being introduced in Britain, which would require ISPs to police the activities of users. Music Industry Piracy Investigations general manager Sabiene Heindl said her organisation had been lobbying for the policy for 12 months. She said action had been taken to remove illegally downloaded tracks from blogs, Cyberlocker and BitTorrent sites but this had failed to stem the estimated 2.8 million Australians downloading music illegally last year. This certainly sucks if the Government really agrees and approve the new law, but as I wrote it many times before: you can’t really stop the BitTorrent and/or internet piracy in the current form…

Source: RLSLOG readers, SMH

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  1. Stitch10925
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:00

    @106 (DanJar)

    You make some good points. Nice info, thanks!

  2. stunz
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:04

    You morons..
    This is Monitoring COMMON P2P and maybe Bittorrent PORTS!
    if these ports go into use and more then x amount of data has passed through them, it will be seen in the ISPs eyes as piracy. The ISP can pull manual logs, to make sure, but it wont block everything.

    Do you honestly think they will read through millions upon millions of HTTP/Port 80 or even FTP Logs?
    That means the point of all 20gb+ ISP plans will become redundant. What about companies like Internode that offer a FREE, PREMIUM newsgroup service?! hahahah

    its only P2P and possibly torrents, im telling you.

  3. a
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:05

    OMG $59 for 40gb per month @ 1.5mbps WOW i pay $5f for unlimited per month @ 8mbps

    And cant they focus on child porn instead of pirated stuff?
    whats worse: molesting a child and putting in the internet, and destroying that childs life OR stealing a couple bucks from a multi billion dollar company?
    i dunno its a hard decision…..i’ll have to think about it and get back to you.

  4. a
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:08

    $55 not $5f

  5. Crash
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:15

    For all those who don’t think that EVERY single packet will be inspected, not just p2p ports, check out how AT&T has already been doing this in the US, not for copyright infringement, but for their National Security Administration:

    http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70944

  6. double-G
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:24

    and you`s all laughed at us in the uk when we got riddled 1st wee this… lol f@ck the law cos i still dont give a f@ck………….

  7. Kyle
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:27

    @double-G

    All Americans are laughing at both the UK and Australia right now, because even though both of those countries have free health care, here in the US, we don’t have government control of our ISP’s.

    So we’ll laugh all the way to the private hospital while you pay high taxes and let your governments inspect your data.

  8. DanJar
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:27

    @114

    Sure an ISP could pull their own manual logs for each individual instance where a flag is triggered because end user downloads X amount in one session from a host of random ip address’s through port wxyz. But thats where it would take extra manpower, and with some figure like 63% of young australians downloading, there is a lot of data to cover and also theres privacy rules to think about.

    @115

    I totally agree, catching child molesters is much more important than slapping end users on the wrist for downloading something that they will probably buy when it hits bargain bin prices anyway. You know, I would probably spend more money on cd’s / movies / games if more of the money went to support the artist rather than the corporates & overheads of the end supplier.

    I mean taking a page out of canada’s book, it does take way too much effort to try and catch end users sharing. Distributors or people making money from selling copyright infringed media, they are the ones who the efforts should be focused on. But then I guess when you cant catch the supplier, you go after the demanders. :D

    Just a hypothetical as to why Aussies may download something rather than buy it. A brand new game title (take for instance COD 4) costs $89 AUD, with the exchange rate, around $85 US. I thought of buying that off of steam to get the U.S price, but WOW! their steam price is $88.95US.. hmm but if you buy a copy of that in the U.S off the shelf its only $49.95, so boxed copy in US = cheaper than digitally distributed copy online & boxed copy on australian shelves. Can anyone see any logic in this other than “Bend over, this is gonna hurt”.

    Anyway, like all discussion pages, Im sure there are those that disagree with what I’ve said, and thats fine I like hearing everyones opinions on things like this.

    -=DanJar=-

  9. jack
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:28

    what are we in knidergarten again 3 strikes and your out gimme a break, it’ll be hacked.

  10. da snatcher
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:38

    @97

    up until recently, it was illegal to rip cd’s as it was c lassed as circumventing their digital rights as 1 copy of the cd was allowed. hence, rip a cd, makes 2 copies when youve only bought one, hence is illegal. changing this law was the only thing howards government did right.

  11. your name
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:41

    Can you imagine the loss of revenue to the ISP if this were passed? This will never happen.

  12. Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:41

    Austrlia????

    Yeah Nice Country! I think it’s near New Zeland!!

    L-O-L

  13. a
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:43

    @124 Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
    Very creative and original!!
    maybe read the posts and realize like 40 other ppl said that.

  14. X Marks The Spot
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:45

    @#100 & #108– It’s been cracked for quite some time now. AnyDVD works perfectly. Strips it right off.

  15. Goro
    February 18th, 2008 | 01:46

    @97 Rev
    Amen brother amen

  16. THE REAL Master Chief
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:01

    @120, what part of Australia do you live in? $89 for COD4!!! i payed $99.95, all games around here are about $99.95 except for some that are $110

  17. THE REAL Master Chief
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:07

    If you look at your bandwidth usage every month how much of it is made of of things that are technically “Illegal”. Personally if it wasn’t for all the pirated stuff i download i could easily survive on less then 5gig a month

  18. zed
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:09

    Any you lot use Peer Guardian? Is that the way to go as it hides ya ip address etc? is it free ? are there others that are free? comments section is always funny on rlslog .. every country has misfits & goons , and the worlds smaller than ya think :) if this law did come in to affect it would def start in uk. .scare tactics from the mummy state me thinks..

  19. DanJar
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:09

    @128,

    Adelaide here,

    My local EB had it for $89.95, for PC, PS3 was about $110 – $119 when I first looked. I cant believe as consumers we accept that its feasible to pay $100Aud for a game when it is half the price internationally, I mean if you get it off of a site like direct2drive you’ll only pay $49.95US.

    -=DanJar=-

  20. Stitch10925
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:13

    @117 (Crash)

    You could be right. Check out an older Releaselog post about Comcast in the US:

    http://www.rlslog.net/comcast-throttling-p2p-traffic/

  21. cauliflower
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:14

    The solution to this problem is

    1. Goto http://www.hitnews.eu and sign up for an account to usenet (thats the server that allows you access to usenet) 6.50 euro a month or 120 euro for two years (which has ssl encryption FREE

    2. Sign up for http://www.newzbin.com (where you get the NZB’s which are basically alist of files that you d/l)

    3. Use alt.binz / newsleecher / grabit (doesn’t support ssl at the moment)

    So you get full unlimited access at the top speeds of your connection for about 6 – 8 euro a month.

    Come on ppl why use public trackers ???

    http://www.slyck.com/ng.php – complete guide to neqwsgroups.

    Hell I’m sure ppl on here would help ppl if they needed it i know i would.

  22. THE REAL Master Chief
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:15

    @131
    It just seems stupid when it works out to be 20-30% cheaper to buy a game from the US and have it sent via Express then it is to buy it from your local games store

  23. Stitch10925
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:16

    @126 (X Marks The Spot)

    Cool, thanks for the info!

  24. shutupaboutpolitics
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:22

    How the hell is Australia becoming more socialist with this law. ‘Capitalist’ America is the problem here, they are trying to force the DMCA on Australia and lobbying to protect music owned my American companies. The only countries with decent copyright laws like Sweden are liberal democracies which are a hell of a lot more ’socialist’ than you fundies appear to think Australia is. I think all those socialist comments are from an idiot American who knows nothing about Australia and is trying to make this political when it isn’t.

    Anyway this a non story because it isn’t going to happen. And stop complaining about Rudd, you know the liberals would be more likely to support nonsense enterprise protecting legislation like this.

  25. mario
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:27

    heys guys if law happens in usa then all i need is a program that changes es your ip. right but im guessing that wont work if you have a static ip?

  26. DanJar
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:27

    @136

    Here here :D

    -=DanJar=-

  27. kylleisafool
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:33

    @119 Kyle

    America – Random sueing of copyright infringers for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    Australia/UK – Proposed 3 strike warning system with no financial liability that won’t go through anyway.

    Yeah…enjoy your low taxes. I think I prefer to pay a bit more and have acess to good public services. Also we have better privacy, more impartial media and generally a better standard of living (check any index like HDI). Not having people starving in the streets is nice too.

  28. THE REAL Master Chief
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:36

    @136
    I’m not saying that either party is more likely to support it but what i do know is that Rudd supports everything , lets sign Kyoto, lets apologize to the aboriginals, lets get rid of work choices. When will he show some balls and stand for something, he seems more interested in being popular rather then doing his job which is to run the damn country. Thats the downside of a democracy, politicians see reelection as being more important then making the important decisions.

  29. ha ha
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:36

    this subject is bollox ……

    isp in uk already said they wont do it …
    intrusion of privacy ..

    more scare mongering from stupid people ….

    stupid people being the government …

  30. Kyle
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:41

    @shutupaboutpolitics

    The reason the socialistic countries have issues with this is because they accept government intervention or government ownership of certain businesses.

    Capitalistic economies don’t.

    There is no law or even a loophole in American laws that would allow the government to force a company to cancel a customers account.

  31. Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:42

    **OFF Topic**
    I am amazed!
    I wrote a comment a few minutes ago and Google Spiders have already found my (first time used) nickname and they pointing to this thread…

    I don’t now about anti-piracy laws. BUT they sure have the means and the technology to stop it.

  32. Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:45

    Sorry. I don’t want to flame the board or anything like that but 2 minutes ago there 3 results for my Nickname (1) to http://www.rlslog.net/page/3/ (2) http://www.rlslog.net/category/applications/ and (3) http://www.rlslog.net/austrlia-also-considers-to-adopt-antipiracy-laws/

    Now the 3rd one dissapear…

    What’s going on with the Google?

  33. Alexander the Great
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:49

    @Malakogamias & Poustobihtis

    No one even knows what you are talking about. STFU please.

  34. lolz
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:51

    Post office dont go through the mails and boxes, neither should ISPs..

    RAWRZOR simple is best

  35. RiNgDiNgDoNg
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:52

    Malakogamias & Poustobihtis = Bacon & Eggs (in English)

    Malakogamias & Poustobihtis = Franks & Beans (in Swahili)

    Malakogamias & Poustobihtis = Cawk & Balls (in Gibberish)

  36. extra happy
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:53

    @lolz

    Totally agree, I use the Braun RAWRZOR each morning to shave, and it is simply the best. So much better than a regular razor.

  37. THE REAL Master Chief
    February 18th, 2008 | 02:54

    @146
    they do screen your mail for illegal things like drugs and bombs though.

  38. a
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:04

    I disagree with master chief…..please dont frag me.
    i have have marijuana mailed to me in the past, and nothing happened.

  39. gomen
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:07

    I lived in Australia and i dont care for this, they will have to catch me and i ain’t going without a fight. come on cops im ready for war!!!

  40. ReeGed staff member
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:10

    xD Thats the spirit !

  41. KoalaKuntry
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:10

    Hi all my Austarliun friends! I’m all about da kangarooz and koala bearz! I luve rapin ur women when I go der on vacation wit my rich parentz! GAWD, i r da spoiled! MMmmmm..aussiea$$ is da yummerz! O, n peergaurdian is 4 nubz! It does nuttin 4 u–dats a fact, jack! kbyenownubz!

    N thx rlslag 4 all da 1st rate newz n banner adz! So helpful! omgilu!!1!11

  42. THE REAL Master Chief
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:13

    @150 maybe they only screen when it goes through customs, i couldn’t even get a small container of airsoft paintball rounds through, Australian customs are very good at their job.

  43. Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:17

    @Alexander the Great
    I guess you are greek!
    Look for the words of my nickname malakas gamias poustis
    Are all Greek words!

    Anyway the point of my post (based on an observation I made from Google) is that I think the next years will be difficult for any form of piracy. Warez, movies, MP3s.
    THEY have the means to enforce the laws.
    You can’t hide behind proxies, P2P etc.
    Times, do change…
    The days of piracy are numbered.

    Look At the Audiowarez scene. Many applications are uncrackable.
    The piracy (unfortunately) IS dying…

  44. tony
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:20

    Ok i came up with some ideas on how do deal with this
    (1)Get enough movies now while you can to watch for the next 2 or more years.For instance i haven’t seen many of the ones i got so i got enough now for 2 years already.That way you wont have to go to the movies to pay for a long period of time and that will hurt them lol.
    (2)Also lets take some of the releases underground off the net and heres my plan.My russian friends say they can create a underground black market where we all chip in say 20cents a dvd then the buy the retail one where ever its released first,now you will pay buy buying a online gift from a website that is homemade maybe like origami or a crafted item.That money will be then used to fund the enterprise.
    Any other suggestions welcome im off to work now.

  45. kylleisafool
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:35

    That is nonsense. Off the top of my head I can tell you that several hackers in the US are not legally allowed to use the internet. So ISPS would have had to cancel their account. If the law is being broken then there is obviously precedent in the US to suspend accounts for child porn, hacking etc.

    You seem to have some misconcecption that Australia is a communist state where everything is publically owned or controlled, this simply isn’t the case. America also regulates business a lot for many differents reasons even if you think it is more capitalist than Australia. Australia simply isn’t socialist, Cuba is and the USSR was.

    NEWSFLASH In every country in the world including the United States the government regulates business and owns some services. This is necessary unless you want unregulated, monopolitic control of things like fresh water. Do a basic economics course or just check up on Public Goods using wikipedia.

    Anyway you seem to spell far too well for someone with such uninformed opinions so I am assuming you are a troll and will stop argueing now.

  46. kylleisafool
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:39

    On an unrelated note I find it hilarious that RLSLOG filters posts using the word b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s.

    From the wiki on b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s. Perhaps the best-known use of the term is in the title of the 1977 punk rock album Never Mind the B-o-l-l-o-c-k-s, Here’s the Sex Pistols. Testimony in a resulting prosecution over the “obscene” term demonstrated that in Old English the word referred to a priest, and could also be used to mean “nonsense”.

    So yeah…. I meant a priest.

  47. Kyle
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:52

    @kylleisafool

    The US government does not have any means to notify any ISP that a person has been convicted of a computer crime or a child porn crime. If a person is told not to use a PC or the internet as part of their punishment, then that person may have a parole officer they check in with, or that checks their home regularly to see if they are violating those orders.

    But the government in the US can not tell ever single ISP in the country, of which their are hundreds, not to open an account for anyone.

  48. extra happy
    February 18th, 2008 | 03:53

    @kylleisafool

    No one uses that bollox word anyway. Grow up.

  49. Rekrul
    February 18th, 2008 | 04:58

    I’m amazed that except for a few exceptions, everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that such a law would require the ISPs to do the monitoring. I don’t recall seeing such a thing mentioned in any of the articles on these proposed laws. When I read these proposals, I just figured that they’d catch people the same way they have been; By the anti-piracy companies logging IP addresses.

    @133 cauliflower,

    Good advice, although rather than signing up with Newzbin, just go to http://www.binsearch.info, http://www.newzleech.com or any of the other free Usenet search/NZB sites.

  50. lol
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:00

    @18 xtazy
    “just bung another shrimp on the barbie”

    Clearly you know nothing about Australia, we don’t call it shrimp. I heard the US was like I am Legend; that you get heaps of wild deer running through your cities? Because we down under sure do have kangaroos doing the same…

  51. Rekrul
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:00

    Argh! It included the comma in the URL! Should be http://www.binsearch.info

  52. Onyx
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:12

    I KNEW IT!, i was expecting this news shortly. Bloody hell.

    Well given that i finally gave up on Emule this year after 5 years of use, i am glad sites like RLS LOG exist.

    There will always be ways around this. But these law’s will trigger massive protest!!.

  53. Onyx
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:18

    LOL

    Still cracks me up, the mystery that is “Australia” to you guys over in the US.

    Australia is just like the rest of the world, only on a smaller scale, the result is we seem to have a few less of the more widespread issues, that can plague larger countries.

    We have malls,supermarkets,cities,Mc Donalds and all the other stapling s of a typical capitalist society.

    We are gifted with extraordinary Tropical Beach’s however.
    and our country has a large rural sector, in other states.

  54. Onyx
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:21

    AND NO

    We don’t eat SHRIMP lol, ive never bloody ate a “shrimp” in my life……:P. I am guessing it is a prawn ?

    Bizarre stereotypes of Aussie culture still prevail !!

  55. hyper
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:32

    Will government departments also be monitor….
    ive seen some dodgey stuff during my work time as a technician.

  56. Onyx
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:39

    And for the arrogant yank..

    It’s not our Government inspecting our data, it’s your bloody “Digital Tracking Companies” Poking their arm’s our across the Globe who are inspecting peoples data!!

    So eat your own words!

    ALL Cease and desists notices come from these US Based companies, who spy on P2P networks…….. not the bloody ISP

  57. Qeh
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:40

    This would mean ISP’ers loose alot of money each month. If so, sucks to be them :P I however will cry for 1 month if a law like this hits norway, and then go on with my life.

    I imagine services like Hulu.com ect will be up and running in the next few years anyway. (Hopefully not for just USA) I don’t mind paying for the shows I like as long as I can download at once and not 6months after they are first aired in UK/USA ect. And ofc without any f… comercials.

  58. lol
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:56

    lol…this just lame…if this is going to happen than no one would subscribe to higher bandwidth and isp will go bust eventually the internet will become a dud

    if they going to do it the should be prepared all this now will revert to era before the internet came out again ><

  59. DOTCOM1
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:58

    how can they catch downloaders when they can`t catch pedo`s i mean come on the internet companys will go bust for a start,i could go on
    Will never happen !!

  60. random
    February 18th, 2008 | 05:58

    man i hate how australia is uk’s pet
    but yea i doubt this will affect us lookin at the figures of how many people download this stuff

  61. edits
    February 18th, 2008 | 06:22

    its been mentioned already but everyone needs to remember… it is NOT YET law. hopefully it will never get passed and if anyone actually believes it will, send a HAND WRITTEN letter to your local MP, and any other relevant government department stating your objection to this PROPOSED law. btw Kevin Rudd is doing everything that is popular, as the definition of popular would imply that they were actions desired by the majority of the australian people. the same people he serves. I for one am extremely glad that we are now part of KYOTO, and have formally apologised to the aboriginal people (although they are still treated like second class citizens)

  62. aussie slag
    February 18th, 2008 | 06:29

    http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/02/aussie-pirates-deleted-by-websites.html

    IT just gets better for us aussies , no more runnin free & doing what we want dam it. THEY CANT STOP US LOL

  63. Tyler
    February 18th, 2008 | 06:32

    @edits

    I can’t believe this idiot Kevin Rudd decided to sign that stupid Kyoto Protocol. Now I am going to lose my job because the plant I work in is going to move to China where they don’t have any of these silly environmental laws.

    Rudd really cares about Australian jobs.

  64. THE REAL Master Chief
    February 18th, 2008 | 06:35

    @173
    Doing what is popular isn’t necessarily the right thing.
    Most people know very little about all subjects so they can’t form an educated opinion in most cases, giving everyone $100,000 would be very popular but would it benefit the country in the long run?

    And as for the Aboriginals, they are treated better then all other Australians, they choose to live like second class citizens.

  65. populism4thewin
    February 18th, 2008 | 07:01

    Doing what is popular is by definition democracy (rule by the people). Sure it isn’t perfect, but it sure as hell is better than ignoring the people and serving corporate interests or any other style of government.

  66. Dinky
    February 18th, 2008 | 07:58

    wow thats terrible .. i hope it doesn’t get that bad here.

    i’ll have to start downloading more… get it whiles I still can

  67. goatman
    February 18th, 2008 | 08:31

    there is no way this could happen especially with the privacy laws in this country.

    but seriously this government loves trying to destroy our internets, first they let telstra maintain a crap infrastructure and lets not forget that crap filter which will kill our internet further ( i hope the servers that it uses blows up fecking government its not my fault if some kids sees some tit on the internets) now that want to copy this crap.. most australians pirate because our tv networks are hopeless and always mess around and randomly cancel tv shows… gaaah leave my internets alone rudd you spud!!!

  68. Kiwi
    February 18th, 2008 | 09:01

    New Zealands West Island has always been a bit iffy with this kinda of thing.. however i don’t think this law has a hope in hell..

    This is something you would expect under howard .. not rudd the new State Governor of west island

    Strange really

  69. bob
    February 18th, 2008 | 09:41

    australia is already so backwards in broadband internet compared to other countries and this is not gonna help things at all.

  70. adrian yO
    February 18th, 2008 | 10:30

    oh yer.. like there wont be something to kick there arse.
    show them.. walk down to canberra give kev rudd a wack in the face.
    teach him to take our fun.

  71. lolz
    February 18th, 2008 | 10:40

    @THE REAL Master Chief

    Are you suggesting they screen your normal in country mails? I dont think so..

    Even if they went so far over there where you are, they dont open them up so they can see your private information, witch is what they want the ISPs to do basicly.

  72. Substance
    February 18th, 2008 | 11:52

    fuken australia

    i wouldnt be surprised if this happens

    just another way the government can control our lives…fuk off already…isnt this meant to be a free country?

  73. Cata
    February 18th, 2008 | 12:13

    Someone who is able to take down a website should attack Asutralian an Englsnd government websites so they won’t fuucck with [pirates anymore

  74. blank
    February 18th, 2008 | 12:25

    here we go again…

  75. hghdfh
    February 18th, 2008 | 13:12

    BLAH BLAH BLAH

    You all talk and do nothing.

    Stop buying products. All forms of media. Games, films, all of it. Stop buying then they’ll have no choice but to do what the public want. They only bully you because you let them.

    Tell everyone you know. Write leaflets and leave them in cafes, buses, everywhere. Make people realise their intellectual freedom is important.

    Sadly I think too many are brainwashed already.

  76. steve
    February 18th, 2008 | 15:13

    Illegal downloading could see your broadband terminated

    Internet uses who illegally download music and videos on the internet could now be faced with the possibility that they will have their internet connection terminated by their broadband provider according to a report from The Times.
    Early indications would suggest that it would be on a “Three strikes and your out” basis, initially an email would be sent, then suspension and lastly termination of the users account.

    There are however going to be a few issues to overcome with this system. Firstly wireless internet could allow other users to piggyback onto your internet connection and download through it without you even knowing, also users who deliberately download illegal material could possibly use this as an excuse anyway.
    Another possible problem could be with the naming of files, it is easy to rename a file so users could find themselves downloading a different file than what they are expecting, again this would not be a deliberate fault on their part but could again land them in trouble.

    Once users have been terminated from one broadband provider will they then be free to instantly join up to another broadband provider or will there be a database that broadband providers add customers who have been kicked off onto is unclear.

    There are some big obstacles to overcome to make a system that can work properly and we will watch closely how this develops as it seems like it is going to be a minefield for broadband providers to police.

    I SAY F**K THEM ALL

  77. drhdfh
    February 18th, 2008 | 15:29

    Australians – Born out of waste sperm of British men.

    A$$TRASHLIA

  78. Jay
    February 18th, 2008 | 16:38

    Most of these proposals are based on the assumption that everything downloaded illegally, would be paid for if p2p was stopped. Which is complete nonsense, no matter what you read, Hollywood is doing okay. People still pay for movies, look at the dvd sales and performance of cinemas in Britain for proof, if those “6 million” downloaders in Britain never paid for film or music, then these industries would be crippled in the UK.

    Its all a lie, I doubt these proposals will become law, firstly because they are unenforceable, and secondly they will be defeated in debate in the British and Australian Parliament. The Labour Party in Britain are finding it hard to win debates on real issues like ID cards, I really can’t see such an invasion of privacy like this getting through.

  79. Tosh
    February 18th, 2008 | 16:48

    Oh dear, no surprise the Australian Sheep-shaggers would succumb to this. Laws there are quite zenophobic. It reminded me of when I was in england and all those Yorkshire sheep-shaggers, strange places.

  80. King of Cycling
    February 18th, 2008 | 17:34

    Mr. Rudd don’t be a Dudd! As I understand, you were a modernist that was all for public freedom rights. During your interview about terrorism in Australia, you freely expressed how it might be important to keep security high but without undermining public freedom and privacy in the country. I see this (the ISP UK Piracy laws) encroaching towards the same path. Please be a good prime minister now and hurry up building your fibre optic network without undermining the populous freedom.

    Good Boy!

    I’d also like to state in a recent survery over 60% people declared they had downloaded something freely. Surely you can’t incriminate all the people. Corporations keep whinging they’re losing so many billions, last time I looked they were making billions. If these laws come into play downunder then you can sure bet your sore arses that the people here will revolt and boycott your crappy music, movies and other forms of degenerative entertainment media. So the buck stops here.

  81. spudbrain
    February 18th, 2008 | 21:07

    @92 geof

    australia is “ally” thought for sure that was horde territory
    o_O

  82. fred
    February 18th, 2008 | 21:12

    Proportionality is lost with this law. The internet has become to intertwined with everything else, disallowing access for trivial matters wouldn’t hold up in a reasonable court.

    One example, is the increased value of the internet in finding gainful employment. Restricting access to gainful employment is a pretty big no no.

    Maybe it’s time for the public to make politicians aware that passing such laws means their job and their government is history.

  83. odies
    February 18th, 2008 | 21:13

    this is not going to happen now, maybe is 15 years+ – but now: no chance.

    We need to standardise encryption over p2p : p2pE
    Then they will stfu

  84. Ross Kemp
    February 18th, 2008 | 23:30

    Australia

    Too many Greeks, Japs n Filipinos there. Who cares?

  85. Blindpew
    February 18th, 2008 | 23:34

    I didn’t think that Austrailia had internet access,that’s amazing, next thing they’ll have it China.

  86. Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
    February 19th, 2008 | 00:49

    @196

    Yeah!! Skrew the Greeks. Long live Turkey!!

  87. Rekrul
    February 19th, 2008 | 05:47

    @166 Onyx,

    “Bizarre stereotypes of Aussie culture still prevail !!”

    But you do have boxing kangaroos hopping around your towns, right? ;)

  88. Nobody you know
    February 19th, 2008 | 15:40

    First Australia has the highest tax for international Internet traffic, then they add this.
    It’s like their government wants to see it’s population fail the transition to information based economy.
    Glad I’m not living there…

  89. rich
    February 19th, 2008 | 17:55

    STOP DELETING MY COMMENTS RLSLOG, JUST COS YOU DONT WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW HOW CORRUPT YOU ARE!!!!

    ALL THE TROJANS ON THIS SITE THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT ARE PUT THERE BY THE OWNERS, SO WHENEVER YOU CLICK ON A LINK FOR A MOVIE ETC IT WILL LEAK THE TROJAN ONTO YOURE COMPUTER

  90. ju
    February 20th, 2008 | 14:09

    “haaaaaaxxx!!!11″

    i have no serious input because my opinions have been thoroughly expressed in the earlier 201 comments. except for the artarded ones <_<. they shouldnt have keyboards.

  91. Sanguinius
    February 21st, 2008 | 00:32

    It’s typical of most governments.. especially the UK government. first we got the congestion charges, increased taxes on petrol, and now the government wants internet service providers to police their networks. Hmmm theres only so much that people can do. I wonder if the government are gonna take their fat hands out of their pockets and put something back into society instead of being fat overweight obese buerocrats and lining their pockets… no wonder why so many people actually do benefit fraud in the UK. Anyway getting back on track. There will always be a way for people to obtain anything on the internet, but one thing they really do have to think about, is the fact that there are organisations in the world who make a fortune selling pirated material, and when this crap actually comes into play, then boy are they gonna make some serious cash..
    IF theres any gov officials reading this.. then plz feel free to take note of this following message.. get off your fat lazy cellulite ridden backside and do something constructive with your position.

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