Australia also considers to adopt antipiracy laws
The Australian Government will examine new legislative proposals being unveiled in Britain this week to target people who download films and music illegally. Internet service providers (ISPs) there might be legally required to take action against users who access pirated material. The music industry estimates 1 billion songs were traded illegally by Australians last year. Under the three-strikes policy, a warning would be first issued to offenders who illegally share files using peer-to-peer technology to access music, TV shows and movies free of charge. The second strike would lead to the offender’s internet access being suspended; the third would cancel the offender’s internet access.
The policy would mirror legislation being introduced in Britain, which would require ISPs to police the activities of users. Music Industry Piracy Investigations general manager Sabiene Heindl said her organisation had been lobbying for the policy for 12 months. She said action had been taken to remove illegally downloaded tracks from blogs, Cyberlocker and BitTorrent sites but this had failed to stem the estimated 2.8 million Australians downloading music illegally last year. This certainly sucks if the Government really agrees and approve the new law, but as I wrote it many times before: you can’t really stop the BitTorrent and/or internet piracy in the current form…
Source: RLSLOG readers, SMH
Comments(191)
Australia….:)
The dingoes pirated our music!!! It was the RIAA that ate the babies.
They try to keep everything out down under.
well seeing is believing!
Ahh I knew they were going to do this.
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If this goes through, at least I will be fine. HTTP
you can’t monitor everything all the time.
way too much data traffic.
God, who cares?!
I wonder if the anti-piracy law will strike european countries (whole globe) in coming months/years/decades…
Ridiculous.
anyone know if there’s anyway around this kinda thing for people in the uk and australia? i guess it depends on what the legislation stipulates – but is this really the end of file sharing in these countries? are there any IP blockers that would work? Id assume thatd be no good as it still has to go through the ISP in any case.
Blimey Gov
F#*K the government. They’ve gotta catch me first.
We are sorry that we are struggling citizens being ripped off by the government with soaring petrol prices and one of the highest taxed countries in the world, the highest interest rates in the western world and the highest cd prices compared to usa and uk, I forgot that the chairmen of these big music companies and the artists need the money to buy their next private jet or their next private island in the carribean, im so so so sorry!
So are the ISP’s really going to monitor everything that people download? I’d love to see this put into practice.
Fix the title! Bloody hell learn to spell
Damn if Australia do this then no doubt New Zealand will follow suit!! I need to be able to download LOST and Other great TV shows because we dont get to see them for ages otherwise!!
And I always thought Australia was a lot more like the US when it came to business matters, but it seems like they think a lot more like the UK instead.
What happened to free market, capitalist ideas when it comes to business? All this government intervention is ridiculous. The government needs to stop “saving” the people from themselves.
@peter
Australia is not a high taxed country, and besides, those high taxes include free health care. Stop complaining and recognize that you get what you pay for.
They’ll never catch me mwahaha
just bung another shrimp on the barbie
I love laws like these, if there really were 600 million people (or whatever crazy figure cooked up this week) who shared files ‘illegally’, then there would be 600 million people worth of backlash against the legislation.
Dingo:
It is commonly described as an Australian wild dog, but is not restricted to Australia, nor did it originate there. Modern dingoes are found throughout Southeast Asia, mostly in small pockets of remaining natural forest, and in mainland Australia, particularly in the north. They have features in common with both wolves and modern dogs, and are regarded as more or less unchanged descendants of an early ancestor of modern dogs. The name dingo comes from the language of the Eora Aboriginal people, who were the original inhabitants of the Sydney area.
Damn. Its impossible to monitor all internet traffic, I think these proposals are there to simply scare some people from downloading. In the US people have received very large fines, and its a similar thing, catch one person and hope others get frightened and stop downloading. These scare tactics will never work!
This article is completely untrue. These laws ARE NOT being passed in britain AT ALL. They are just a request to the government, it’s an idea. Most of these ideas get thrown out. Something this big will require way to much man power and therefor this is not going ahead.
This article explains that it is happening, when it hasn’t been confirmed either way.
It was this legislation that drove Heath Ledger to his his death.
Antipiracy laws? What? Up until now it’s been legal?
LOL!
“anyone know if there’s anyway around this kinda thing for people in the uk and australia? i guess it depends on what the legislation stipulates – but is this really the end of file sharing in these countries?”
It is not legislation.
Neither the UK or Australia is proposing doing this.
All that has happened is RLSLog has taken a scare-tactic story about P2P and passed it on to you as though they knew no more than any 12 year old girl reading about P2P for the first time.
Google Peer + Guardian blimey gov. We are all entitled to share this material however we want. Hollywood had it’s first billion dollar summer this year, if you have ever seen one episode of MTV Cribs I think it is safe to assume the recording industry is doing alright as well. The security measures being implemented to protect the companies material are only going to excalate until it is doing nothing more than agrevating the paying customers. LOL Long Live Piracy
@mupet0000
“Something this big will require way to much man power and therefor this is not going ahead.”
That was also said when the proposal for NHS was debated as well. And we all know how that turned out.
Techonology moving forward, laws moving backwards. Instead of those stupid corporation’s focusing on the pirates they should develop some kind of easy-to-use cheap service for us to buy songs and movies with our cell phones.
martin .. i Think u mispelled “Austrlia”
” Austrlia also considers to adopt antipiracy laws”
BTW I don’t know what age you would need to be to write this, but pay more attention to the teacher in class, little boy.
@Jason
What does this word mean in your comment: “excalate”?
Do the ausies realy copy everything the red coats think of ? i mean how pathetic can u get
And Martin, many of the Aussie readers of this site are upset that you forgot one of the three “a”’s in the word Australia.
How are they able to tell that what you are downloading is illegal, or do they just assume that P2P = evil?
if they do introduce it, i’m sure alot of ppl will be against it. And i’m sure there won’t be this law.
Lets just not speak about piracy for a change. If they are allowed to do this, then how do they know that we are downloading illegal content? Pretty obvious, they will have to “big brother” all our data…. Which means emails, messages will be compromised by this new law.
Just imagine how many companies will stop using the internet, just because of their data being monitored…
Yes they might say “we are only checking for illegal downloads” however do you trust them? Only a small leak in the company can compromise so much.
Lets give an example, the recent Edison Chen Scandal. He was too trusting in the “computer fixers” >.> so they screwed him over and now look at the news.
So yea, this is not only about piracy, If the government decides to introduce this law, haha i dont think he will be elected again next year. Knowing how many “internet” users will be so pissed off with government ordering ISP’s to spy on our data…..
@Albert
I think he was going for the word “excellent”.
@Albert
I think the word he meant was “accelerate”.
@25 Moko
It isn’t the end of file sharing, simply move to usenet, which is where you should be downloading from. Unless your on a very private tracker, when you connect, they gather your IP, I use to get copyright violations relayed through my ISP like crazy. They just watch a tracker, then email abuse@ for every ISP that they catch an IP for, you can just look t your client and see who is connected. Obviously their are ways around it, but Usenet is not only safer, but hell of a lot faster. While a lot of people are waiting 3 hours for a torrent, i can down a 1 CD DVD-RIP in about 10 minutes. The biggest thing is that, I am assuming, they have to prove you are pirating. This is hard off Usenet, or if your paranoid, I have a dedicated server in Toronto that is unmetered on a 100-meg port and has a FTP server, 750 GB hard drives, that I can just send a file to, then download it from their using SFTP or SCP. Or rent your own.. Either way, usenet or FTP, they can’t really “prove” what you pulled down, unless your a mass downloader and they just show a large amount of data use, but I am sure they would need to check your drive (download it right to a USB drive). I think they just log an IP with torrent or another P2P and that is ample.
email; torchwood2008 at mac dot com
@Albert
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that word he was trying to use was “escalate”.
I could be wrong though, since he really butchered the english language with his poor spelling.
NUKE THIS POST LOLOLOLOLOL.
AUSTRALIA.
LOLOLOLOLOL
Rudd should resign, i hate him. He is corrupt, What about Brian Burke? He needs 1000 people to tell him what to do (1000 celebrities and sports people).SSOORRYY kevin you suck. STOP THE BLAME GAME
Being from the states, I do not know much about Australia.
Am I wrong in thinking that your country has a free market economy similar to the US, in that the government can not tell companies how to run their business?
I understand that in the UK, this is possible because they have a socialist society. Is this also how Australia is?
Albert, i think he means escalate
The security measures being implemented to protect the companies material are only going to ESCALATE until it is doing nothing
^^ i think thats the missing word anyway hehe
I told you all that the Labor party was going to be the downfall of Australia. Now it is happening.
@ albert
The word he was trying to spell is clearly excaliber
@ The_Doctor – “Moko, It isn’t the end of file sharing, simply move to usenet”
Why would I move to usenet?
Pay attention: IT ISN’T THE END OF ANYTHING BECAUSE IT ISN’T ANYTHING.
This isn’t a law. It isn’t legislation being considered. It is 1 public submission proposal that is the exact same thing as the 10000 for legalising weed.
You know that people have proposed legalising weed. When you learned this did you immediately run out and start 120 plants in your backyard?
No, of course not. Because that’s not how laws, legislation and reality in general works.
Would the isp’s want to enforce this as they will lose most of their customers? I for one only need 1 mb broadband if i aint downloading. an that’s free with sky.
the law they want to pass is if they think you are downloading illegal stuff.. they dont need proof … they will simply say if jo blogs downloads too much a month then he must be a leecher.. so lets cut him off they dot need proof thats what sucks about the law they wanna pass
THEY SHOULD BAN RLSLOG, IT IS CRAP, KIDS RUN IT WHO CANT SPELL, AND EVERYONE HERE ARE PRIC*S, F*** YOU ALL!!!!
As if Australia wasn’t going to do this..
If we even get wind that another country is going to do something we jump right in with our co(ks out.
“Being from the states, I do not know much about Australia.”
Being from the states you are lucky to have even heard of Australia.. I am surprised you can spell it
@59
i think that is more of a stereotype, Australia did take along time to join the Kyoto protocol (did i spell that right?) what other things has Australia copied from other countries?
“What happened to free market, capitalist ideas when it comes to business?”
It died? we can wish anyway.
nuked!
Blame me, Corey Delaney – Internet sensation.
i would love to see tiscali being forced to ban all its costumers…
At least they aren’t going into some big extremes. Also will people still get fined for downloading Movies, music, etc when caught?
I’m proud to be Austrlian!
That god loves pirate geeks too.
@51 ^^
Sounds great, my knowledge of the aus legal system is only small but I do remember a test case recently where it turns out its ok to gang rape a child (I think she has to be up for it or dressed provocativly or somthing)
I wonder if it is ok to share the video across p2p over there.
Probably but so long as you do not share any music along with it.
@56 (lex)
“they will simply say if jo blogs downloads too much a month then he must be a leecher.”
Well, then why can you buy internet with unlimited, or lets say 50 Gb download limit? Wouldn’t it be useless to get an internet connection with 50 Gb/unlimited when the police will be standing at your door saying you are a leecher?
Besides, if you are, lets say living in a home with 6 people, you need a good internet connection, and if one of your kids happens to download music/movies legally by buying them, they can’t know if you leeched the music our bought it unless they go through all of the family’s accounts… which would in turn also break the privacy laws (which will also happen when they monitor the people’s internet activity).
This is an endless discussion. See, here is the problem. In almost all countries the government was based on giving the people freedom, and therefore past laws to make this freedom happen. But now, the freedom is being “misused” (by us :-p), but since all the laws for freedom have been in place for such a long time, they can’t just all of a sudden limit our rights or decide to discard or bypass these laws.
In my opinion: These laws will not get passed, it would bring the governments too much lawsuits, complaints, and grief.
Greets
LOL at all the stupid ppl with unsecured wireless getting their internet cut off because thier neighbor has hopped on their network, or anyone who has 64/128 bit WEP for that matter.
and like Peter(#11) said im sorry for stealing your overpriced crap so u can get ur new jets!!
if any of the $#!7 i download what half decent i may feel the need to buy the REAL copy…..who am i kidding this is so much more convienient to have a XviD file i double click and it plays…..NO i think i’ll go through a stack of dvds and find the one i want, put it in the dvd player, wait for all the crap b4 i can watch a movie?? IDIOTS now wonder we rob u phukers blind.
Hopefully this law will wake up the Australian people. We are becoming much too similar to our British brothers. Let them keep their socialistic ideas, while we here down under choose to stick with capitalism.
We have too much government already. We need less, not more.
Austrlian ISP laws = FAIL
@RiNgDiNgDoNg
2 + 2 = 4
DAMN YOU “POLITICALLY CORRECT” MORONS!!
replying to #74, I HOPE SO!
@ every1 whos hating on Martin for his spelling….THIS IS NOT A SPELLING TEST……IF U CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT HE MEANT THEN Y THE PHUK R U BICHING??
SOME PPL ARE RITARDID
and as for most of the mods here English isnt their first language, so IMO they r doing pretty good, you go write in a diff language and see how good u are!!!
@Kim
Totally agree. Why does it seem that Australia is suffering from increasing influence of the state? This march away from a free market economy has got to stop.
Even though we have a higher per capita GDP thank the UK, we feel compelled to follow their moronic policies.
I can see a time when a watered down version of this law will be passed in Australia but I don’t think such a law wil be passed as it is. It’s an invasion of privacy.
I say bring it on. I’ve seen the death of community on the internet over the last 8 years with way too many gimmee gimmee kiddies. This may actually weed the little fu(kers out.
@a
If they are going to run a site in english, shouldn’t the site have mods who can understand and write in english?
@70
no you just need to be Aboriginal
@ jesse they make this site as a service to ppl like me and you! so be happy they are here!
and if u cant understand what they are trying to say you need serious help!
and y no post for
Welcome.Home.Roscoe.Jenkins.CAM.READNFO.PROP3R.XviD-nDn?
Austrlia? Never heard of it…
@77
I totally agree, some here are pretty immature. We are in a way a “community”. We shouldn’t be mad at one and other for being in from different country or anything. I mean, I am Belgian, but used to live in the US, what does that make me?
All of us basically share the same problem, we are hated for downloading. The only difference is that some countries decide to take action, and some don’t.
Ok, true, when you are writing an “official” post, the least you can do is check for errors. However, I don’t know the Releaselog people, but if they are from another country, they at least try, and are doing a pretty good job in my opinion.
See look at 83 can u understand what he said?? I CAN
its not that difficult!
@83
LOL!! Mean!!
@9
A VPN will work fine, anything to and from your pc will be ssl encrypted and will all go out on port 80.
Where’s Austrlia? maybe near Australia?
@Stitch10925
Just wanted to say that I agree with you, and that your people make the best waffles in the world.
@Lul
Australia is located just south of Germany, and just north of Italy. They were invaded by the Nazi’s in 1938, and have remained an ally ever since.
Axxo for prime minister !!!
NOOOOO damn Britain the sooner we can distance ourselves from them the better, Bring on becoming a republic i say
Australia is a great country, probably the best country in the world right now so it would be a real shame if Mr. Rudd allowed something like this to happen.
This kind of legislation throws country and culture back into the dark ages and realises nothing of the ‘actual’ potential of file sharing and the very real effect it has on financial markets. Plus it’s criminalising a massive section of Au society which is a real shame coz aussies are f**kin great people (R. Murdock or Howard the coward not included)!
I moved to Oz a while ago and man! the aussies download so much stuff. I’ve been introduced to so many new things and in return passed on the best (what I think is the best) to others who have then gone out and actually bought music, t.v. shows, books, cinema tickets etc. etc.
I can’t see how they’re going to enforce this if it goes through and anyways, people here in Oz are so-o-o-o tech savvy they’ll easily get around it, cloned modems anyone?
Too easy!
Thanks Larry!
For you Americans out there: In NY there is a Belgian guy driving around with a small, yellow bus selling Belgian waffles and crèpes, so if you want to try it, NY is the place to go! ^_^
http://www.wafelsanddinges.com/index.html
To my people,
This is just another example of the government and corporate industry attempting to stop the free flow of media and information across the internet. And this shouldn’t come as a surprise. We invest in our internet, we do pay to access this information, and that will always be enough. Even with the most restricted ISP’s, we will always have the advantage, thanks to the internet and it’s intelligent, talented community. These corporate identities are complete hypocrites. How many people here actually think when companies like Creative and dozens of others created the portable digital media devices “MP3 Players” or the Apple “I-Pods” they were really expected people to rip their compact disc catalogs into digital form and utilize them on these devices? Wrong. These companies took advantage of the Napster boom, and the pirating boom, knowing damn well the internet community downloads millions of MP3’s daily, Music Videos, Movies, Television Shows, etc. And this gave great demand. They are profiting off the same bag. Why aren’t Record Labels going after these companies? Complete hypocrites. Everybody downloads. Nobody is innocent. It’s not wrong, the internet is free and always will be.
God bless,
Rev
Jesus, he forgot one letter. Give the guy a break…
“”I can’t see how they’re going to enforce this if it goes through and anyways, people here in Oz are so-o-o-o tech savvy they’ll easily get around it, cloned modems anyone?”
Like I said, endless discussion. They can crack copyright protection and such in just a few weeks, what makes the governments think that this can’t be bypassed or cheated?
Even if for us all else fails, I’m pretty sure some of us downloaders know, or are crackers, so a way around it will be found. I can even imagine attacks on the servers that would track our activity if they would ever be put to use.
The government has no chance. It’s few against many.
@Stitch10925
What about BD+?? Still not cracked.
It’s time to take the fight against piracy to the next level !!! Every pirates that get caught should have all of his right removed and branded as a digital terrorist and then jailed and/or executed if they downloaded over 100 gigs of pirated material.
Enough is enough and it’s time for a change !!!!
An iron fist and a will of steel !!!!!!
Sleigh !!!!!
Corporation = All the profit – none of the responsibility
Good. In fact cut them all off from the internet! And then we can build a wall around Australia as well, and pretend they don’t exist!
I’m only joking. I love Australia. They gave us Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Oh wait a minute…
albert post 32
he was tryin to spell ejaculate
If the ‘netguardian’ software style that was freely downloadable from the government website here in Australia is anything to go by, then it will be very unlikely any anti-piracy laws would seriously effect anyone. 15 year old boy cracked the ‘no naughty websites or porn’ software in a few moments… so far i havent heard of any repairs to the software having been done either.
Besides, are they really gonna keep a check on everyones downloading from I.P. Addresses by use of file names and private lifes of individuals? i don’t think so.
Hey all,
Previously working for an ISP here in Austr(a)lia, it would be a breach of current privacy laws for the ISP to actually watch what people are downloading, or where they are downloading from.. What would more than likely be the case (if it ever comes to pass, which it probably wont) Is that they will work on an a reported abuse system, similar to spam email & other uses of the internet that are against the ISP’s acceptable use policy (port scanning, forum abuse, abusive comments on blogs etc)..
So basically, end user downloads a hit cd, RIAA or whoever log the IP address, trace it back to the isp & session time, then send the ISP an email. ISP’s email queue get the email, 1st instance they send a email to the end user, 2nd instance they also may do this or temporarily suspend the internet service till the customer calls in & they have it explained to them why they have their service suspended, 3rd instance likely cancellation of the service as in breach of Acceptable use policy.
ISP’s will not want this to pass because they want paying customers, and while p2p users may not pay for all of their cd / movie / game purchases (although figures show there is money flowing into all 3 of these industries) they do pay for their internet service, and Australian internet prices arent exactly cheap (we still have excess usage charges with our 2 largest telco’s).
The only benefit to the ISP’s here is that it may reduce international bandwidth requirements, thus reducing costs, which is costing ISP’s here a packet. It’s the costs of international traffic here that caused companies like Internode (one of our finest ISP’s) to jack their prices up, their higher end plan went up by $20.00 AUD to something like $89 or so (I forget, I jumped ship when that plan moved up, Im now paying $59 for 40gb per month @ 1.5mbps).
In terms of the manpower argument, It wont really take much more if it works on the system I mentioned above because already ISP’s get flooded with spam to their abuse@ispname.com.au address, sifting through that to legitimate complaints can sometimes be a lengthy process in itself, so a few more legitimate emails to read, a standard email response to a customer using p2p and they are done.
If anyone is interested in the state of internet in Australia, whirlpool.net.au is one of the best places to check out.
All in all I hope that it goes no further than a scare tactic, because it would really be a shame to have to resort to using that proxy program that was put up a few weeks ago to try and hide where Im downloading from.
(also this might drive up the likely hood of wardriving for unsecured wireless access points.)
-=DanJar=-
@cypheunreal
Don’t you understand that if the ISP does the checking, then all data flowing through their routers and other infrastructure would be checked at all times? Obviously the ISP will be able to examine the data of every IP address they own.
AT&T already has router hardware that can check every packet without throughput reduction.
@100 (geoff)
It’s just a matter of time before BD+ gets cracked as well, in fact, it already seems to be underway:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11745.cfm
I am SO happy I live in Canada where file sharing is legal lol
I saw a promo on the good morning show in new Zealand where the where going to talk about this tomorrow and maybe new zealand laws, ill watch tomorrow and try to get a video of it.
@101 (Benito Mussolini’s Ghost)
If you are against piracy, then why are you here on Releaselog? Some people don’t seem to know what they want ^_^
@16
I (a different Peter) agree with ‘Peter’ (@11) – what country do you live in if you think we have a free health service in Oz – true it is free (paid for by the high taxes), if you want to wait a couple of years for elective treatment – and how many doctors charge only the Medicare rate?
To business – this sucks. I thought that the Govt had better things to do than pursue us poor downloaders; like Peter I am sorry that my activities mean that some poor record company CEO can’t buy fuel for his Learjet.
@106 (DanJar)
You make some good points. Nice info, thanks!
You morons..
This is Monitoring COMMON P2P and maybe Bittorrent PORTS!
if these ports go into use and more then x amount of data has passed through them, it will be seen in the ISPs eyes as piracy. The ISP can pull manual logs, to make sure, but it wont block everything.
Do you honestly think they will read through millions upon millions of HTTP/Port 80 or even FTP Logs?
That means the point of all 20gb+ ISP plans will become redundant. What about companies like Internode that offer a FREE, PREMIUM newsgroup service?! hahahah
its only P2P and possibly torrents, im telling you.
OMG $59 for 40gb per month @ 1.5mbps WOW i pay $5f for unlimited per month @ 8mbps
And cant they focus on child porn instead of pirated stuff?
whats worse: molesting a child and putting in the internet, and destroying that childs life OR stealing a couple bucks from a multi billion dollar company?
i dunno its a hard decision…..i’ll have to think about it and get back to you.
$55 not $5f
For all those who don’t think that EVERY single packet will be inspected, not just p2p ports, check out how AT&T has already been doing this in the US, not for copyright infringement, but for their National Security Administration:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70944
and you`s all laughed at us in the uk when we got riddled 1st wee this… lol f@ck the law cos i still dont give a f@ck………….
@double-G
All Americans are laughing at both the UK and Australia right now, because even though both of those countries have free health care, here in the US, we don’t have government control of our ISP’s.
So we’ll laugh all the way to the private hospital while you pay high taxes and let your governments inspect your data.
@114
Sure an ISP could pull their own manual logs for each individual instance where a flag is triggered because end user downloads X amount in one session from a host of random ip address’s through port wxyz. But thats where it would take extra manpower, and with some figure like 63% of young australians downloading, there is a lot of data to cover and also theres privacy rules to think about.
@115
I totally agree, catching child molesters is much more important than slapping end users on the wrist for downloading something that they will probably buy when it hits bargain bin prices anyway. You know, I would probably spend more money on cd’s / movies / games if more of the money went to support the artist rather than the corporates & overheads of the end supplier.
I mean taking a page out of canada’s book, it does take way too much effort to try and catch end users sharing. Distributors or people making money from selling copyright infringed media, they are the ones who the efforts should be focused on. But then I guess when you cant catch the supplier, you go after the demanders.
Just a hypothetical as to why Aussies may download something rather than buy it. A brand new game title (take for instance COD 4) costs $89 AUD, with the exchange rate, around $85 US. I thought of buying that off of steam to get the U.S price, but WOW! their steam price is $88.95US.. hmm but if you buy a copy of that in the U.S off the shelf its only $49.95, so boxed copy in US = cheaper than digitally distributed copy online & boxed copy on australian shelves. Can anyone see any logic in this other than “Bend over, this is gonna hurt”.
Anyway, like all discussion pages, Im sure there are those that disagree with what I’ve said, and thats fine I like hearing everyones opinions on things like this.
-=DanJar=-
what are we in knidergarten again 3 strikes and your out gimme a break, it’ll be hacked.
@97
up until recently, it was illegal to rip cd’s as it was c lassed as circumventing their digital rights as 1 copy of the cd was allowed. hence, rip a cd, makes 2 copies when youve only bought one, hence is illegal. changing this law was the only thing howards government did right.
Can you imagine the loss of revenue to the ISP if this were passed? This will never happen.
Austrlia????
Yeah Nice Country! I think it’s near New Zeland!!
L-O-L
@124 Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
Very creative and original!!
maybe read the posts and realize like 40 other ppl said that.
@#100 & #108– It’s been cracked for quite some time now. AnyDVD works perfectly. Strips it right off.
@97 Rev
Amen brother amen
@120, what part of Australia do you live in? $89 for COD4!!! i payed $99.95, all games around here are about $99.95 except for some that are $110
If you look at your bandwidth usage every month how much of it is made of of things that are technically “Illegal”. Personally if it wasn’t for all the pirated stuff i download i could easily survive on less then 5gig a month
Any you lot use Peer Guardian? Is that the way to go as it hides ya ip address etc? is it free ? are there others that are free? comments section is always funny on rlslog .. every country has misfits & goons , and the worlds smaller than ya think
if this law did come in to affect it would def start in uk. .scare tactics from the mummy state me thinks..
@128,
Adelaide here,
My local EB had it for $89.95, for PC, PS3 was about $110 – $119 when I first looked. I cant believe as consumers we accept that its feasible to pay $100Aud for a game when it is half the price internationally, I mean if you get it off of a site like direct2drive you’ll only pay $49.95US.
-=DanJar=-
@117 (Crash)
You could be right. Check out an older Releaselog post about Comcast in the US:
http://www.rlslog.net/comcast-throttling-p2p-traffic/
The solution to this problem is
1. Goto http://www.hitnews.eu and sign up for an account to usenet (thats the server that allows you access to usenet) 6.50 euro a month or 120 euro for two years (which has ssl encryption FREE
2. Sign up for http://www.newzbin.com (where you get the NZB’s which are basically alist of files that you d/l)
3. Use alt.binz / newsleecher / grabit (doesn’t support ssl at the moment)
So you get full unlimited access at the top speeds of your connection for about 6 – 8 euro a month.
Come on ppl why use public trackers ???
http://www.slyck.com/ng.php – complete guide to neqwsgroups.
Hell I’m sure ppl on here would help ppl if they needed it i know i would.
@131
It just seems stupid when it works out to be 20-30% cheaper to buy a game from the US and have it sent via Express then it is to buy it from your local games store
@126 (X Marks The Spot)
Cool, thanks for the info!
How the hell is Australia becoming more socialist with this law. ‘Capitalist’ America is the problem here, they are trying to force the DMCA on Australia and lobbying to protect music owned my American companies. The only countries with decent copyright laws like Sweden are liberal democracies which are a hell of a lot more ’socialist’ than you fundies appear to think Australia is. I think all those socialist comments are from an idiot American who knows nothing about Australia and is trying to make this political when it isn’t.
Anyway this a non story because it isn’t going to happen. And stop complaining about Rudd, you know the liberals would be more likely to support nonsense enterprise protecting legislation like this.
heys guys if law happens in usa then all i need is a program that changes es your ip. right but im guessing that wont work if you have a static ip?
@136
Here here
-=DanJar=-
@119 Kyle
America – Random sueing of copyright infringers for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Australia/UK – Proposed 3 strike warning system with no financial liability that won’t go through anyway.
Yeah…enjoy your low taxes. I think I prefer to pay a bit more and have acess to good public services. Also we have better privacy, more impartial media and generally a better standard of living (check any index like HDI). Not having people starving in the streets is nice too.
@136
I’m not saying that either party is more likely to support it but what i do know is that Rudd supports everything , lets sign Kyoto, lets apologize to the aboriginals, lets get rid of work choices. When will he show some balls and stand for something, he seems more interested in being popular rather then doing his job which is to run the damn country. Thats the downside of a democracy, politicians see reelection as being more important then making the important decisions.
this subject is bollox ……
isp in uk already said they wont do it …
intrusion of privacy ..
more scare mongering from stupid people ….
stupid people being the government …
@shutupaboutpolitics
The reason the socialistic countries have issues with this is because they accept government intervention or government ownership of certain businesses.
Capitalistic economies don’t.
There is no law or even a loophole in American laws that would allow the government to force a company to cancel a customers account.
**OFF Topic**
I am amazed!
I wrote a comment a few minutes ago and Google Spiders have already found my (first time used) nickname and they pointing to this thread…
I don’t now about anti-piracy laws. BUT they sure have the means and the technology to stop it.
Sorry. I don’t want to flame the board or anything like that but 2 minutes ago there 3 results for my Nickname (1) to http://www.rlslog.net/page/3/ (2) http://www.rlslog.net/category/applications/ and (3) http://www.rlslog.net/austrlia-also-considers-to-adopt-antipiracy-laws/
Now the 3rd one dissapear…
What’s going on with the Google?
@Malakogamias & Poustobihtis
No one even knows what you are talking about. STFU please.
Post office dont go through the mails and boxes, neither should ISPs..
RAWRZOR simple is best
Malakogamias & Poustobihtis = Bacon & Eggs (in English)
Malakogamias & Poustobihtis = Franks & Beans (in Swahili)
Malakogamias & Poustobihtis = Cawk & Balls (in Gibberish)
@lolz
Totally agree, I use the Braun RAWRZOR each morning to shave, and it is simply the best. So much better than a regular razor.
@146
they do screen your mail for illegal things like drugs and bombs though.
I disagree with master chief…..please dont frag me.
i have have marijuana mailed to me in the past, and nothing happened.
I lived in Australia and i dont care for this, they will have to catch me and i ain’t going without a fight. come on cops im ready for war!!!
xD Thats the spirit !
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@150 maybe they only screen when it goes through customs, i couldn’t even get a small container of airsoft paintball rounds through, Australian customs are very good at their job.
@Alexander the Great
I guess you are greek!
Look for the words of my nickname malakas gamias poustis
Are all Greek words!
Anyway the point of my post (based on an observation I made from Google) is that I think the next years will be difficult for any form of piracy. Warez, movies, MP3s.
THEY have the means to enforce the laws.
You can’t hide behind proxies, P2P etc.
Times, do change…
The days of piracy are numbered.
Look At the Audiowarez scene. Many applications are uncrackable.
The piracy (unfortunately) IS dying…
Ok i came up with some ideas on how do deal with this
(1)Get enough movies now while you can to watch for the next 2 or more years.For instance i haven’t seen many of the ones i got so i got enough now for 2 years already.That way you wont have to go to the movies to pay for a long period of time and that will hurt them lol.
(2)Also lets take some of the releases underground off the net and heres my plan.My russian friends say they can create a underground black market where we all chip in say 20cents a dvd then the buy the retail one where ever its released first,now you will pay buy buying a online gift from a website that is homemade maybe like origami or a crafted item.That money will be then used to fund the enterprise.
Any other suggestions welcome im off to work now.
That is nonsense. Off the top of my head I can tell you that several hackers in the US are not legally allowed to use the internet. So ISPS would have had to cancel their account. If the law is being broken then there is obviously precedent in the US to suspend accounts for child porn, hacking etc.
You seem to have some misconcecption that Australia is a communist state where everything is publically owned or controlled, this simply isn’t the case. America also regulates business a lot for many differents reasons even if you think it is more capitalist than Australia. Australia simply isn’t socialist, Cuba is and the USSR was.
NEWSFLASH In every country in the world including the United States the government regulates business and owns some services. This is necessary unless you want unregulated, monopolitic control of things like fresh water. Do a basic economics course or just check up on Public Goods using wikipedia.
Anyway you seem to spell far too well for someone with such uninformed opinions so I am assuming you are a troll and will stop argueing now.
On an unrelated note I find it hilarious that RLSLOG filters posts using the word b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s.
From the wiki on b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s. Perhaps the best-known use of the term is in the title of the 1977 punk rock album Never Mind the B-o-l-l-o-c-k-s, Here’s the Sex Pistols. Testimony in a resulting prosecution over the “obscene” term demonstrated that in Old English the word referred to a priest, and could also be used to mean “nonsense”.
So yeah…. I meant a priest.
@kylleisafool
The US government does not have any means to notify any ISP that a person has been convicted of a computer crime or a child porn crime. If a person is told not to use a PC or the internet as part of their punishment, then that person may have a parole officer they check in with, or that checks their home regularly to see if they are violating those orders.
But the government in the US can not tell ever single ISP in the country, of which their are hundreds, not to open an account for anyone.
@kylleisafool
No one uses that bollox word anyway. Grow up.
I’m amazed that except for a few exceptions, everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that such a law would require the ISPs to do the monitoring. I don’t recall seeing such a thing mentioned in any of the articles on these proposed laws. When I read these proposals, I just figured that they’d catch people the same way they have been; By the anti-piracy companies logging IP addresses.
@133 cauliflower,
Good advice, although rather than signing up with Newzbin, just go to http://www.binsearch.info, http://www.newzleech.com or any of the other free Usenet search/NZB sites.
@18 xtazy
“just bung another shrimp on the barbie”
Clearly you know nothing about Australia, we don’t call it shrimp. I heard the US was like I am Legend; that you get heaps of wild deer running through your cities? Because we down under sure do have kangaroos doing the same…
Argh! It included the comma in the URL! Should be http://www.binsearch.info
I KNEW IT!, i was expecting this news shortly. Bloody hell.
Well given that i finally gave up on Emule this year after 5 years of use, i am glad sites like RLS LOG exist.
There will always be ways around this. But these law’s will trigger massive protest!!.
LOL
Still cracks me up, the mystery that is “Australia” to you guys over in the US.
Australia is just like the rest of the world, only on a smaller scale, the result is we seem to have a few less of the more widespread issues, that can plague larger countries.
We have malls,supermarkets,cities,Mc Donalds and all the other stapling s of a typical capitalist society.
We are gifted with extraordinary Tropical Beach’s however.
and our country has a large rural sector, in other states.
AND NO
We don’t eat SHRIMP lol, ive never bloody ate a “shrimp” in my life……:P. I am guessing it is a prawn ?
Bizarre stereotypes of Aussie culture still prevail !!
Will government departments also be monitor….
ive seen some dodgey stuff during my work time as a technician.
And for the arrogant yank..
It’s not our Government inspecting our data, it’s your bloody “Digital Tracking Companies” Poking their arm’s our across the Globe who are inspecting peoples data!!
So eat your own words!
ALL Cease and desists notices come from these US Based companies, who spy on P2P networks…….. not the bloody ISP
This would mean ISP’ers loose alot of money each month. If so, sucks to be them
I however will cry for 1 month if a law like this hits norway, and then go on with my life.
I imagine services like Hulu.com ect will be up and running in the next few years anyway. (Hopefully not for just USA) I don’t mind paying for the shows I like as long as I can download at once and not 6months after they are first aired in UK/USA ect. And ofc without any f… comercials.
lol…this just lame…if this is going to happen than no one would subscribe to higher bandwidth and isp will go bust eventually the internet will become a dud
if they going to do it the should be prepared all this now will revert to era before the internet came out again ><
how can they catch downloaders when they can`t catch pedo`s i mean come on the internet companys will go bust for a start,i could go on
Will never happen !!
man i hate how australia is uk’s pet
but yea i doubt this will affect us lookin at the figures of how many people download this stuff
its been mentioned already but everyone needs to remember… it is NOT YET law. hopefully it will never get passed and if anyone actually believes it will, send a HAND WRITTEN letter to your local MP, and any other relevant government department stating your objection to this PROPOSED law. btw Kevin Rudd is doing everything that is popular, as the definition of popular would imply that they were actions desired by the majority of the australian people. the same people he serves. I for one am extremely glad that we are now part of KYOTO, and have formally apologised to the aboriginal people (although they are still treated like second class citizens)
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2008/02/aussie-pirates-deleted-by-websites.html
IT just gets better for us aussies , no more runnin free & doing what we want dam it. THEY CANT STOP US LOL
@edits
I can’t believe this idiot Kevin Rudd decided to sign that stupid Kyoto Protocol. Now I am going to lose my job because the plant I work in is going to move to China where they don’t have any of these silly environmental laws.
Rudd really cares about Australian jobs.
@173
Doing what is popular isn’t necessarily the right thing.
Most people know very little about all subjects so they can’t form an educated opinion in most cases, giving everyone $100,000 would be very popular but would it benefit the country in the long run?
And as for the Aboriginals, they are treated better then all other Australians, they choose to live like second class citizens.
Doing what is popular is by definition democracy (rule by the people). Sure it isn’t perfect, but it sure as hell is better than ignoring the people and serving corporate interests or any other style of government.
wow thats terrible .. i hope it doesn’t get that bad here.
i’ll have to start downloading more… get it whiles I still can
there is no way this could happen especially with the privacy laws in this country.
but seriously this government loves trying to destroy our internets, first they let telstra maintain a crap infrastructure and lets not forget that crap filter which will kill our internet further ( i hope the servers that it uses blows up fecking government its not my fault if some kids sees some tit on the internets) now that want to copy this crap.. most australians pirate because our tv networks are hopeless and always mess around and randomly cancel tv shows… gaaah leave my internets alone rudd you spud!!!
New Zealands West Island has always been a bit iffy with this kinda of thing.. however i don’t think this law has a hope in hell..
This is something you would expect under howard .. not rudd the new State Governor of west island
Strange really
australia is already so backwards in broadband internet compared to other countries and this is not gonna help things at all.
oh yer.. like there wont be something to kick there arse.
show them.. walk down to canberra give kev rudd a wack in the face.
teach him to take our fun.
@THE REAL Master Chief
Are you suggesting they screen your normal in country mails? I dont think so..
Even if they went so far over there where you are, they dont open them up so they can see your private information, witch is what they want the ISPs to do basicly.
fuken australia
i wouldnt be surprised if this happens
just another way the government can control our lives…fuk off already…isnt this meant to be a free country?
Someone who is able to take down a website should attack Asutralian an Englsnd government websites so they won’t fuucck with [pirates anymore
here we go again…
BLAH BLAH BLAH
You all talk and do nothing.
Stop buying products. All forms of media. Games, films, all of it. Stop buying then they’ll have no choice but to do what the public want. They only bully you because you let them.
Tell everyone you know. Write leaflets and leave them in cafes, buses, everywhere. Make people realise their intellectual freedom is important.
Sadly I think too many are brainwashed already.
Illegal downloading could see your broadband terminated
Internet uses who illegally download music and videos on the internet could now be faced with the possibility that they will have their internet connection terminated by their broadband provider according to a report from The Times.
Early indications would suggest that it would be on a “Three strikes and your out” basis, initially an email would be sent, then suspension and lastly termination of the users account.
There are however going to be a few issues to overcome with this system. Firstly wireless internet could allow other users to piggyback onto your internet connection and download through it without you even knowing, also users who deliberately download illegal material could possibly use this as an excuse anyway.
Another possible problem could be with the naming of files, it is easy to rename a file so users could find themselves downloading a different file than what they are expecting, again this would not be a deliberate fault on their part but could again land them in trouble.
Once users have been terminated from one broadband provider will they then be free to instantly join up to another broadband provider or will there be a database that broadband providers add customers who have been kicked off onto is unclear.
There are some big obstacles to overcome to make a system that can work properly and we will watch closely how this develops as it seems like it is going to be a minefield for broadband providers to police.
I SAY F**K THEM ALL
Australians – Born out of waste sperm of British men.
A$$TRASHLIA
Most of these proposals are based on the assumption that everything downloaded illegally, would be paid for if p2p was stopped. Which is complete nonsense, no matter what you read, Hollywood is doing okay. People still pay for movies, look at the dvd sales and performance of cinemas in Britain for proof, if those “6 million” downloaders in Britain never paid for film or music, then these industries would be crippled in the UK.
Its all a lie, I doubt these proposals will become law, firstly because they are unenforceable, and secondly they will be defeated in debate in the British and Australian Parliament. The Labour Party in Britain are finding it hard to win debates on real issues like ID cards, I really can’t see such an invasion of privacy like this getting through.
Oh dear, no surprise the Australian Sheep-shaggers would succumb to this. Laws there are quite zenophobic. It reminded me of when I was in england and all those Yorkshire sheep-shaggers, strange places.
Mr. Rudd don’t be a Dudd! As I understand, you were a modernist that was all for public freedom rights. During your interview about terrorism in Australia, you freely expressed how it might be important to keep security high but without undermining public freedom and privacy in the country. I see this (the ISP UK Piracy laws) encroaching towards the same path. Please be a good prime minister now and hurry up building your fibre optic network without undermining the populous freedom.
Good Boy!
I’d also like to state in a recent survery over 60% people declared they had downloaded something freely. Surely you can’t incriminate all the people. Corporations keep whinging they’re losing so many billions, last time I looked they were making billions. If these laws come into play downunder then you can sure bet your sore arses that the people here will revolt and boycott your crappy music, movies and other forms of degenerative entertainment media. So the buck stops here.
@92 geof
australia is “ally” thought for sure that was horde territory
o_O
Proportionality is lost with this law. The internet has become to intertwined with everything else, disallowing access for trivial matters wouldn’t hold up in a reasonable court.
One example, is the increased value of the internet in finding gainful employment. Restricting access to gainful employment is a pretty big no no.
Maybe it’s time for the public to make politicians aware that passing such laws means their job and their government is history.
this is not going to happen now, maybe is 15 years+ – but now: no chance.
We need to standardise encryption over p2p : p2pE
Then they will stfu
Australia
Too many Greeks, Japs n Filipinos there. Who cares?
I didn’t think that Austrailia had internet access,that’s amazing, next thing they’ll have it China.
@196
Yeah!! Skrew the Greeks. Long live Turkey!!
@166 Onyx,
“Bizarre stereotypes of Aussie culture still prevail !!”
But you do have boxing kangaroos hopping around your towns, right?
First Australia has the highest tax for international Internet traffic, then they add this.
It’s like their government wants to see it’s population fail the transition to information based economy.
Glad I’m not living there…
STOP DELETING MY COMMENTS RLSLOG, JUST COS YOU DONT WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW HOW CORRUPT YOU ARE!!!!
ALL THE TROJANS ON THIS SITE THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT ARE PUT THERE BY THE OWNERS, SO WHENEVER YOU CLICK ON A LINK FOR A MOVIE ETC IT WILL LEAK THE TROJAN ONTO YOURE COMPUTER
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i have no serious input because my opinions have been thoroughly expressed in the earlier 201 comments. except for the artarded ones <_<. they shouldnt have keyboards.
It’s typical of most governments.. especially the UK government. first we got the congestion charges, increased taxes on petrol, and now the government wants internet service providers to police their networks. Hmmm theres only so much that people can do. I wonder if the government are gonna take their fat hands out of their pockets and put something back into society instead of being fat overweight obese buerocrats and lining their pockets… no wonder why so many people actually do benefit fraud in the UK. Anyway getting back on track. There will always be a way for people to obtain anything on the internet, but one thing they really do have to think about, is the fact that there are organisations in the world who make a fortune selling pirated material, and when this crap actually comes into play, then boy are they gonna make some serious cash..
IF theres any gov officials reading this.. then plz feel free to take note of this following message.. get off your fat lazy cellulite ridden backside and do something constructive with your position.