Australian IFPI raided music seller’s home
The pressure on peer to peer users is constantly growing and people start to think about their illegal actions way more in these days. The recent shocking decision of the US court which fined an American woman with enormous $220.000 fine for downloading 24 songs launched a whole new wave of lawsuits and legal actions. Australian branch of IFPI called MIPI (Music Industry Piracy Investigations) raided a house of a country music trader yesterday in Kelso near Bathurst, seizing in excess of 2,000 pirated CDs, extensive CD burning equipment, a computer and printing equipment.
The male trader was allegedly selling burnt country music CDs to unsuspecting market goers at the Bathurst and Orange markets. MIPI immediately took steps to contact the operator of the Bathurst Markets following complaints received from the general public. The market operator refused to take any active steps to assist to identify or stop the pirate trader selling at the markets. After investigation and surveillance, MIPI operatives traced the pirate trader to an address at Kelso near Bathurst. The matter was referred to the Chifley Target Action Group of the NSW Police who acted promptly to apply and execute the search warrant today. The seized CDs included music by Slim Dusty, Lee Kernaghan, Faith Hill, Adam Brand, Randy Travis and Shannon Noll.
Cheryl Hayes, General Manager of the Country Music Association of Australia, has congratulated the combined efforts of MIPI and the NSW Police in uncovering this matter and acting so swiftly to shut down the piracy of Australian country music. She said “At the end of the day, illegal copying of music is pure theft and this illegal activity robs country music artists and the music industry of well deserved earnings”. While we all know that selling warez for money is simply bad, it just happens in every country and news like this send a clear message to all those traders: you’re risking a serious consequences…
Its country music, who the hell cares?
I think its funny how these so-called music investigations organizations try and sound official.
Trouble: i think didn’t really matter if it was country or techno in this case..
warez for personal use: ok
warez for personal $$$ flow: bad
im pretty sure most of you agree with that.
heres a good question, if somebody would sell warez and then send the required percentage of the sales to the artist, would that still be considered wrong ?
voodoo: this could happen only in fairy tales, these people dont sell it to donate the money to someone else later…
Don’t mix up profesional piracy (i.e. selling bootlegs etc.) and private p2p users. It’s bad enough that RIAA/MPAA and some asstunnels in the legislative branch in nearly every country do that.
Otherwise, keep up your good work here@rlslog.net
Vodoo: well, if the person sent the money to the designers of the cover, songwriters etc who helped working on the album, the singer/band. Then he wouldnt have much to save, if he gonna produce it in the same sound-quality & cover-quality. Then of course he have to buy cds with plastic cover, paper to produce covers. The only thing is might save some money on is that he works from home probably. =P
Its just easier to work at a store then.
But if he only gonna pay the singer/band for the cd, then he might get alittle more money. And he is probably not paying taxes, so he can sell them for alittle cheaper then stores.
“At the end of the day, illegal copying of music is pure theft”
No, no it’s not.
That said, I have trouble conjuring up a lot of sympathy for busted warez sellers, much less distributors of country music.
Now I am glad that I live in a third world country..
“news like this send a clear message to all those traders:”
No it doesn’t. It sends a message to folks “selling burnt country music CDs to unsuspecting market goers”. That’s the problem, not “trading”.
We make these downloads for free and for fun, Some of you dont have the money to buy DVD or music,The small percentage does have high speed and manage to have enough money for high speed. People that follow the unofficial code of downloading know not to sell what they reap for free.
Free is free. Most of us spend money out of our pockets because we love to do what we do and we do not expect any compensation (it would be nice but its not expected).
Some of you call me crazy and other may agree but I follow the code.
voodoo is right you download it for personal use your good but when you start sharing and selling your gonna screw yourself over… btw nice dig button add.
I’d simply want to quoute qwertz.
And that’s that.
Yeah, this is not internet piracy and they have not started attacking p2p here in Australia. This guy was making profits so thats more like selling drugs. I have no sympathy for anyone engaging in for profit illegal activities. @Voodoo, basically what you have said is the ALMOST EXACTLY the same as going to JB or w/e and buying a dvd, the only difference is the store pays for it before, rather than after.
I have a feeling that the RlsLog server will crash again…
Cheryl Hayes, General Manager of the Country Music Association of Australia, has congratulated the combined efforts of MIPI and the NSW Police in uncovering this matter and acting so swiftly to shut down Australian country music.
oh well as long as they go after people selling stuff its ok… i was worried being an aussie seeing this headline but thankfully its not against p2p or torrents, hopefully our departments are not over the top like the mpaa and the ria are.. but piracy is good for your own use.. one one is making money off it except your isp’s lol….
like blaming everyone who used the phone to commit a crime on the telephone
itself…nonsense
p2p is not the culprit in here,there was always someone copying music and selling
it illegally before even the www existed..their goal is to pound everyone mind
with the idea that copying is illegal,so it will be easier to charge small fry p2p
for music downloading
a crime is a crime unless the society decided in itself that it is not a crime
anymore
Does Axxo Pukka or MVS make profit by ripping off hollywood blockbusters or do they just do it for the sheer joy of it all somehow i don’t think so these groups and many others have to be doing it to make profit otherwise why bother in the first place to fuk over corprate america no it has to be profit based so why be against making profit from illegal activity.When you download an MVS or Axxo believe that when you go to your local market your local dvd traders will be using MVS Pukka ect but so will they in their own worlds.Cannal Street a small group yes but this gives great refrence to The Canal Street Market in Newyork.Country music sux anyway.I am not against profit makers like this far from it i use what they use wither i watch it or make profit from it.We are all in the same goldfish boul so lets not sit there and say im against these criminal profit makers when we’re all using the same sources as they are.
We go this major race here in Aus which is Bathurst, its been a hell of a weekend with cops crackin down on alcohol and basically…fun! 1 weekend A year is time for v8 fans to cut loose and we had cop city there monitoring everything and they killed the weekend. That guy that got ripped was unlucky as, me and my bro watched him get screwed over and he slipped us dvd’s and cd’s as he was gettin ripped lol he said… the more i got here,… the more i get F***ed over, take em fellas” Gettin ripped for selling Shannon Noll tunes, sheesh… they is bored as these cops!
Idiots like this one, selling pirated music, don’t deserve any pity: get iot for yourself is ok, but not selling it to others. That’s just stupid, and if you really get cuaght like this one, it’s gonna be an expensive experice to make.
@Crinan: i do not think Pukka, Axxo etc are groups that do this with profit in mind (at least i hope so), but for renown just as those groups that crack games.
thats why you will always see in NFO’s “looking for providers” which means, wanna be (in)famous in the virtual world….pay for our stuff.
this is more of a battle of the brains than battle of the pockets.
@22vodoo and @19 crinan
axxo legend is under a double personality,he is either an-ex-mpaa worker that got
fired and is now working in a video club-uploading everything,or a 16 years old
doing the same thing than above–the non precision is wanted
better than axxo is loder-see pirate bay–just enormous–he is a bot,means
not even a human uploading everything
This has little to do with P2P…
Its all about profit yes i agree that they prob do it for the online respect and face but lets face it they gotta do it for the $$$ aswell they wouldn’t have brains if they didnt.Using multi duplicators is big biz these days.I do many criminal acts yes i am a criminal in many ways therefor i just can’t condem someone else.I use torrent sites to download movies and music that i do not own i am not going to the cinema or the local virgin multimillion dollar music store.I am stealing just like everyone else that not only uses this site but every other torrent site we are all criminals so why sit there and say it’s what they deserve when we are all in the same boat thats just my opinion.Wither you do it for yourself or for your friends and family or for big $$$’s its all the same thing we are criminals end of story.
This gyu was selling music and making a profit from it. And he was doing it at a country fair. What does this have to do with p2p ?
I go to the cinema, and if i felt like paying for music/movies i’d buy it from a source which gives money back to the producer of said music/movie. Admittedly i dont buy much music though.
Point is though that as far as i’m concerned, enjoying someones work without paying for it, and making money of their work is morally on a completely different level.
I don’t agree but will agree to disagree as im about to watch stardust with 3 Gz of charlie and a bottle of wine have a gd’un.
I hate those traders, they should all be busted. It’s not enough that they can get free movies, music and games, they HAVE to make money from it. They sell TS movies for 5 bucks a DVD, making a profit margin that puts even the big music labels to shame. If people are whining about P2P, they should focus on this.
As long as they raid these kind of guys, I really couldn’t care less.
axxo releases are great, always top quality, much respects to the guy, but i think someone up there is getting the real axxo confused with whoever keeps putting out all those axxo fakes…on a related note, yea, this guy is totally retarted, wtf was he thinking…i guess if you do something like that long enough though, without getting caught, you tend not to think about it as much and let your guard down. personally, i would never, and look down upon anyone who would, rip all this FREE stuff and try to sell it…i supply family and friends new stuff all the time, but its strictly family and close friends, and i would never sell it, and they know to never disclose anything, or else they would quit getting it…i guess the closest thing i can claim to selling it would be every time i’m out of cds/dvds, someone i burn a lot for will buy me new ones, and personally i dont see anything wrong with that, it’s putting in a little to get a lot in return
@QuadrupelQ…lmao at anyone who would pay 5 bucks for a TS, its so rare you get one of a decent enough quality to watch or hear at all, sometimes you couldnt pay me to watch a TS, or for that matter a TC. i’ve seen a lot of pirates at the local flea markets before, but they dont last long, and honestly i think the last one i seen was about 4-5 years ago, so i think they have that one pretty well regulated, youd have to be a total idiot to try that…
These movies and music aint free they aint public domain they are stealing you/we are stealing wither you want to call it free or not its all theft and yes money is made from it.I don’t think for 1 min the groups make zero money from there rips thats stupid we are all theifs thats all i was getting at.
“Point is though that as far as i’m concerned, enjoying someones work without paying for it, and making money of their work is morally on a completely different level.”
i definitely agree on that, i would kinda think of it as going to a ball game and paying for cheap seats, then quietly slipping down as far as you possibly can lol…you enjoyed it, you paid a small deal for it, but you get more out of it by going to better seats that are empty
from what i understand, those groups that put out releases do it for the shear fact of doing it and being able to do it well, all their stuff is paid for by outside affiliations, friends of friends who happen to work certain places get them in the loop and get them new material, and they try to do the best they can with it before anyone else gets wind of it
I actually tend to burn DVDs with either a few movies or games on them and sell em for $5 to friends.
Lol I don’t put advertising up anywhere or anything, and I know I probably should stop with the paying - but it is not for the actual material I want the money for, but the DVD and the burning + time + delivery + download time.
$5 a DVD is just like some extra pocket money, I admit I have clocked up $300 and spent it all the same, but yeah nobody seems to care that it is completely illegal when I sell it to them.
Still it is among friendlies, which I have warned not to tell others, so I should be sweet. LOL, country music, very nice -_-.
people who profit financially from pirated material are pirates…but nowadays the word “scab” is more apt!!!
Selling for profit is bad. Especially in the hard market that is Australian country.
I have limited funds to reward the artists. I do however go to the movies a lot with my partner and children, and support my favorite artists buy purchasing there music dvds and going to their gigs once in a while. The artists are not losing my money, i simply can not afford to buy more media.
So plz stfu anti-piracy spokes people.
Nuzz…….awesome, $5 a disc…..glad youre not my “friend”.
Everything you just said basically makes you a crim, and whats worse……it makes you a scab.
“$5 materials, time + delivery + download.”
$0.80 for dvd and cover in Oz
time - burning is very taxing
delivery - dont you see “your friends” socially anyway, or is your time that important that you charge your friends to visit them.
download - So you werent going to download that for your “personal use” anyway? If not, you were downloading for personal gain anyway, which once more, makes you a scab if you sell it.
PS, did I mention you were a scab
“Martin (staff) October 12th, 2007 | 13:23
Trouble: i think didn’t really matter if it was country or techno in this case..”
You didn’t appear to think at all before posting this story and for some unknown reason associating it with P2P users.
The AFP arrests a lot of people for fraud. That’s their job. Why is that of interest to anyone?
Earning your living by selling pirated CDs would also have just as much in common with P2P users that the guy passing forged bank cheques would that the AFP arrested last week.
Was that another case of a crackdown on P2P users too?
I sell em for 5$ because that isn’t alot of money, and for some reason they seem to want to pay me it.
Most of the ppl I give a DVD to with some that on it always have payed me for it - as they cannot get it them selfs they feel that $5 is by far cheaper, and I am just happy if they want to part with their 5 bucks like that :/.
In AUS getting unlimited internet is almost an impossibility. I have it and I am exploiting it. My friends are happy to throw me a 5$ bill for my troubles.
At one point I didn’t charge, but the lack of DVDs and the time it took to actually burn the DVD (10 - 20 Mins a DVD depending on write speed - to ensure data consistency). SO thought, hey, I don’t want to burn any more of these things, but my friends knew I had the movies/games and wanted em. So I charged them cash so I could buy another pack of 50 DVDs.
Im not a crim for doing that. Im not doing it anymore anyway… I fear too many people know about this little trading thing I have going. Im burning the evidence as we speak! Ehem… Lol.
Just thought you might be interested in my little story. (Completely FICTIONAL - THEORIZED SCENARIO)
have yee seen this http://torrentfreak.com/ifpi-now-owned-by-the-piratebay-071012/
An anonymous donor managed to take posession of the domain “IFPI.com” and made it a gift to “The PirateBay”.
As of now, IFPI.com stands for
International Federation of Pirates Interests
think it could be worth a news bit on this wonderfull site
Shannon Noll… Slim Dusty… who really cares .. at least somebody was making some money out of them… lol..
@ nuzz… who do u get your unlimited net through i have a 40 gig limit and i keep using it up and getting shaped to dial up speeds for a week or more and im getting sick of it??
if i burn stuff for mates usually they give me the dvd they need, even though i would probably use mine anyway.. its on the rare occasion someone offers me money… i dont ask anyone for it…. but surprisingly no one out there seems to be morally offended by Internet piracy… my dad is always getting stuff from me lol..
but i have numerous reasons why i pirate mainly due to the fact i cannot afford to pay 30 bucks for each new dvd or cd or 15 bucks to see a movie at a cinema…….
I have dodo unlimited 512… If only I got 1500 while it was around.
They don’t offer it anymore - and it is COMPLETELY unlimited unlike all those random “unlimited” providers that say it is but it just shapes at a point. So dog.
It is only 50 a month… I want 1500 Unlimited though….
But I have been looking at iTel, check them out for unlimited net. Good prices, unsure on quality of unlimited but you never know :D.
@matt
you understand it wrong. of course the scene makes money off of their releases, whether its from selling the releases directyl, ad revenue from sites, stolen data from the trojans they implant, spam revenue, or even if they simply try to work their “skills” into an IT job.
but they definitely aren’t doing it “just for the hell of it”