400 MB/s FireWire 3200 announced
The 1394 Trade Association announced today a new specification, one which will quadruple the speed of FireWire to 3.2 Gbps, or a theoretical maximum 400 MB/s transfer rate. Dubbed “S3200″, the faster communication technology is fully backward compatible and builds upon the existing 1394b standard ratified in 2002. S3200 will also use the same cabling and equipment as FireWire 800, making for fast adoption and industry uptake. S3200 will begin the ratification process in January, 2008, and is expected to be ratified in February, 2008. FireWire 800 products today deliver 90 MB/s of sustainable throughput. With the anticipated 3% overhead, FireWire 3200 could deliver nearly 390 MB/s of usable data bandwidth, though a straight-forward 400% increase would be 360 MB/s. That is enough to drive full 1920 x 1200 HDTV signals at up to 50 fps.
FireWire hard drives can move data on FireWire 800 nearly three times as fast as with USB 2.0. With FireWire 3200, the advantages eSATA has today will be made moot. FireWire also capable of providing much more electrical power for remote device operation than USB. As a result, FireWire 3200 will be capable of not only communicating with a hard drive at eSATA speeds, but it will also be able to completely power it remotely at those speeds. Current cable solutions, including long distance cables used for 100+ meter communications, will be used with the new protocol. With full backward compatibility, the internal hardware components will be the only required upgrade parts necessary for system maker adoption. Provided an equal sized unit can be created, it will literally be drop-in upgradeable. As such, FireWire 3200 products should be available very soon after final ratification.
Source: TG Daily
yeah, usb is a trash interface!
how does this help me with haIo 3?
What’s with the old news? It’s beginning to bug me.. if your gonna post Tech news at least keep it “N-E-W-s”.
Just one thought,
what good is a connection of this type that can transfer data at these rates, if the drive you connect to the end of it cant write at that speed ? it maybe ok for video in type stuff, but if your receiving device cant do something with the data at a similar speed, your not goona see much benefit
also, will M$ screw this one as well like they did with fw800 by crippling the drivers on purpose so it runs slower than usb1.1 ?
and yes, i agree usb is a crap transfer/connection protocol
i have no idea what this means
i agree
Just_one_thought,what_good_is_a_connection_of_this_type_that_can_transfer_data@these_rates,if_the_drive_you_connect_to_the_end_of_it_cant_write_at_that_speed_?_it_maybe_ok_for_video_in_type_stuff,_but_if_your_receiving_device_cant_do_something_with_the_data_at_a_similar_speed,_your_not_goona_see_much_benefit_also,_will_M$_screw_this_one_as_well_like_they_did_with_fw800_by_crippling_the_drivers_on_purpose_so_it_runs_slower_than_usb1.1_?_and_yes,_i_agree_usb_is_a_crap_transfer/connection_protocol
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Goodpoint #4
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USB is absolutely fine as a transfer protocol, and every motherboard that comes out now has atleast usb2.0. More devices use USB, anyone who puts it down is mearly a hater. Also USB 3.0 is also just over the horizon. IMO theres 0 reason to bother with firewire 3.
And as #4 pointed out, not much can even max the speed of usb 2.0. My guess is the only reason for USB 3.0 is maybe external video card abilities.
@3, the point is that when someone comments on an article on this site, martin gets paid a bit more, so he posts all news that he thinks will get many responses, old news or not.
Even apple abandoned their own Firewire with iPod
USB 3.0 will be two times faster.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070918-intel-announces-demonstrates-usb-3-0.html
OMFG when is everyone going to understand that throughput is measured in bps. It is storage capacity that is measured in bytes (uppercase B). I mean… we understand each other but among decent IT people it´s rpetty much like measuring speed in your car by inches/year.
Knock it off with the Halo crap already. All your base are belong to us. It’s over nine thousand! Whatever. Anyway when they make 90mb/s internet that will be news.
lol @ 2
will my torrents go faster than 30 kbps with that????????????
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First will come the USB 3.0 instead of 2.0 motherboards, then Product manufactures will see all these Motherboards with 8 USB 3.0 slot and 1 or 2 1394c ports, All the USB 2.0 compatible hardware.
Firewire was loosing ground to USB even when it was 800 vs 480, there were too many different cabling conventions & names with IEEE 1394c, USB 3.0 is much easier to understand.
nice news
average IQ in post on this site is prolly at an alltime low right now *sigh*
Great news !!!
Transferring my 2.3 tetrabytes of porn is now going to be much much faster with this :D.
cool article and thank you!
now can we PLEASE get some mods on these comments so they stay on topic and relevant.
i think EVERYONE is sick and tired of seeing ‘halo3′ or ‘i am first’ posts, even if they are funny sometimes.
Gunslinger, @4, have you heard of SSD? These are pretty fast drives that started to appear on the market… true, they’re small fut quite fast. Do you want the this part of the industry to appear before the rest or at least along side?
Think how S-ATA appeared, but at the time there were quite few S-ATA native drives.
Also, one important thing is the ability to power the devices… compare that to the regular portable HDD’s (2.5″/3.5″) that require a brick-like adapter to power them.
The manufacturers of FW controllers are to blame for letting M$ screw with the FW drivers. They built the OHCI, Open Host Controller Interface, kinda a universal driver for all FW controllers so that the manufacturers didn’t had the need to code their own. If a manufacturer did its own drivers, the M$ sh!t wouldn’t affect the users!
The same thing goes for Vista. Even if there’s no OHCI for it… FW manufacturers can code their own drivers for it. Not relying on M$ is better for a change.
Regarding to USB 3.0, FW 3200 is backwards compatible with FW800 cause it runs on the same cable, but USB 3.0 uses a parallel optical cable… just for the n00bs that didn’t bother to read up on that thing… this means that it’s 2.0 on wire and 3.0 on light!
Doesn’t anyone think that optic sensors are more expensive compared to the common electrical sensors? By seeing the replies, guess NOT!
great news (yes, there are people out there not reading about tech stuff 24/7)! i’m sick and tired of that stupid seperate power supply for my hard drive enclosure… one of the most annoying nuisances in the modern computer world.
The entire hardware component industry practices rampent price fixing and has exploited us all pretty much from the beginning. ( think crysis )
holding back technolgies or gradual introduction of technologies.
monopilising certain areas of production.
but what can you do eh.
You’re OLD SCHOOL! try to adapt to change because it comes regularly. Besides, it’s not mathematicaly incorrect
^ that was for #14
Just_one_thought,what_good_is_a_connection_of_this_type_that_can_transfer_data@these_rates,if_the_drive_you_connect_to_the_end_of_it_cant_write_at_that_speed_?_it_maybe_ok_for_video_in_type_stuff,_but_if_your_receiving_device_cant_do_something_with_the_data_at_a_similar_speed,_your_not_goona_see_much_benefit_also,_will_M$_screw_this_one_as_well_like_they_did_with_fw800_by_crippling_the_drivers_on_purpose_so_it_runs_slower_than_usb1.1_?_and_yes,_i_agree_usb_is_a_crap_transfer/connection_protocol
LOL! comaring firewire to eSATA is rediculous. the latency of firewire is much much much much higher.
Martin,
I understood the article, even with the terminology discrepencies. There is one line that totaly lost me. Not sure if you mis-typed something or not. Your last line of the first paragraph in which you mentioned the HDTV signals being sent at 50 fps. What in the heck is 50 fps. If you ment to say 50 feet per second, then I would have to say that is totally inacurate. That would be one of the slowest signals I have ever heard of. If you ment 50 feet per pico second, 50 ft/ps is what you should have stated. The speed at which the signal travels down the cable is due to the VOP(velocity of propigation). For instance, in a cable transmiting signals at around 70% VOP, which is common. The signal is moving at roughly 1/4 of an inch per pico second. Which would give you 48 ft/ps. So, I think I understand the error. I am just tired of reading technical reviews with typos. Drives me nut’s.